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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:33 | paul_away | kados, are you around ? |
| 13:54 | kados | paul: paul yes |
| 13:54 | paul | i'm trying to insert my iso2709 into zebra |
| 13:55 | kados | great! |
| 13:55 | paul | but can't find how to configure zebra.cfg |
| 13:55 | not great ;-) | |
| 13:55 | could you explain how you do this ? | |
| 13:55 | kados | (phone call):-/ |
| 13:55 | paul | I may write a small SearchZebra.pm package for some tests if I succeed |
| 13:56 | ok, i'll wait. | |
| 13:56 | (don't be too long, it's 9PM in France ;-) ) | |
| 13:57 | kados | back |
| 13:58 | hmmm ... so here's how I did it | |
| 13:58 | after install you should have a test directory | |
| 13:58 | go to test/usmarc | |
| 13:58 | paul | right. |
| 13:58 | kados | run ./test.pl |
| 13:58 | test.pl look in 'records' directory | |
| 13:58 | paul | test.sh |
| 13:58 | you mean | |
| 13:58 | kados | right |
| 13:59 | paul | that's here : |
| 13:59 | recordType: grs.marc.usmarc | |
| 13:59 | i think. | |
| 14:01 | kados | if you put an iso2709 file in records directory |
| 14:01 | paul | indexing EMN... |
| 14:01 | kados | it will index it (I hope) |
| 14:01 | paul | it's on the way ;-) |
| 14:02 | kados | good ... then it will automatically start a Z39.50 server |
| 14:02 | paul | mmm... |
| 14:02 | kados | (should take about 3 minutes) |
| 14:02 | paul | 21:01:42-13/06 zebraidx(12685) [log] zebra_end_trans |
| 14:02 | Aborted | |
| 14:02 | kados | ahh ... probably because it's unimarc |
| 14:02 | :-( | |
| 14:02 | k | |
| 14:06 | paul | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so[…]=feed&subj=zdblog |
| 14:06 | just for smiling | |
| 14:08 | http://indexdata.dk/pipermail/[…]April/000203.html is the answer to our question | |
| 14:10 | kados | nice! |
| 14:10 | paul | except that i get a |
| 14:10 | Search was a bloomin' failure. | |
| 14:10 | in yaz-client :-( | |
| 14:10 | still investigating | |
| 14:10 | [121] Unsupported Attribute Set -- v2 addinfo 'Bib-1' | |
| 14:12 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 14:12 | maybe you need a unimarc.abs? | |
| 14:41 | paul | kados ? |
| 14:41 | could you pls write a sample of a search on title | |
| 14:41 | i try | |
| 14:41 | find @attr 1=4 jauge | |
| 14:41 | should have 1 answer (& only 1) | |
| 14:41 | but get none | |
| 14:42 | trying find title=jauge returns nothing either | |
| 15:09 | kados | paul: give me the server IP |
| 15:09 | paul | opening firewall... |
| 15:09 | kados | paul: I'll add it to the liblime z39.50 client |
| 15:10 | paul | note it will be a sometimes-up server... |
| 15:10 | bureau.paulpoulain.com port 2100 as usual | |
| 15:11 | kados | paul: are you sure it's not port 9999? |
| 15:11 | paul | should be up |
| 15:11 | zebrasrv -v 10 @:2100 | |
| 15:11 | kados | ok |
| 15:11 | paul | so should be on 2100 isn't it ? |
| 15:11 | try a query with title containg "jauge" | |
| 15:11 | only 1 answer expected | |
| 15:11 | or author=bellac | |
| 15:12 | will return 4 results | |
| 15:12 | kados | paul: http://liblime.com/zap/advanced.html |
| 15:12 | seems unavailable | |
| 15:13 | paul | mmm... strange.... firewall open |
| 15:13 | (on port 2100 only) | |
| 15:14 | kados | I tried 2100 ... |
| 15:15 | paul | iirc you added "VOYAGER" somewhere |
| 15:15 | i didn't do such thing | |
| 15:15 | kados | I used 'default' which is Zebra's default database |
| 15:16 | (unless you have different database listed in zebra.cfg | |
| 15:16 | paul | anyway, no log in my zebrasrv console |
| 15:16 | kados | right |
| 15:16 | paul | i've only : |
| 15:16 | profilePath: . | |
| 15:16 | attset: bib1.att | |
| 15:16 | attset: explain.att | |
| 15:16 | recordType: grs.marc.unimarc | |
| 15:16 | lockDir: lock | |
| 15:16 | kados | bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100 |
| 15:16 | right? | |
| 15:16 | paul | setTmpDir: tmp |
| 15:16 | keyTmpDir: tmp | |
| 15:16 | memMax: 4 | |
| 15:16 | kados | yea ... all of that is right |
| 15:17 | paul | yes, it's bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100 |
| 15:17 | kados | let's try by IP address |
| 15:18 | paul | why do I get poul-poulain in |
| 15:18 | poul-poulain: unavailable | |
| 15:18 | kados | still not working |
| 15:18 | paul | it's not poul but paul. |
| 15:19 | kados | ahh ... typeo |
| 15:19 | yes it should | |
| 15:19 | paul | should change something ? |
| 15:19 | kados | yep |
| 15:19 | now we get 'no hits' ;-) | |
| 15:19 | you have a log? | |
| 15:20 | paul | yes |
| 15:20 | a long (launched with v 10 ;-) ) | |
| 15:20 | kados | strange ... unavailable again |
| 15:20 | ok .. back up ;-) | |
| 15:20 | paul | i see new logs |
| 15:20 | kados | still 'no hits' |
| 15:21 | paul | i promise i havent done anything. |
| 15:21 | kados | what is a keyword? |
| 15:21 | (maybe network timeout) | |
| 15:21 | bellac? | |
| 15:21 | no hits for it | |
| 15:21 | paul | a keyword you mean a subject ? |
| 15:21 | kados | sure |
| 15:21 | paul | theorie should be a subject |
| 15:21 | kados | anything really |
| 15:22 | paul | http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/[…].pl?type=intranet |
| 15:22 | kados | not finding anything it seems |
| 15:22 | paul | with login test / test as usual. will give you usual Koha interface. |
| 15:22 | kados | ok ... I'll log into my machine ;-) |
| 15:23 | paul | & then go to bed ;-) |
| 15:23 | kados | good idea |
| 15:23 | ;-) | |
| 15:24 | hi David | |
| 15:24 | need some help? | |
| 15:24 | David | yes please! |
| 15:25 | I'm at the right place I take it? | |
| 15:25 | paul | for sure ! |
| 15:25 | kados | yep ;-) |
| 15:25 | David | Having problems with Koha 2.2 on Windows XP |
| 15:25 | paul | & you are speaking with previous & actual release manager ! |
| 15:25 | kados | hehe |
| 15:25 | David | Getting a Premature end of script headers: isbnsearch.pl error when entering data |
| 15:26 | kados | any mesages above that? |
| 15:26 | (that's just about as generic as error messages get ;-)) | |
| 15:26 | paul | you mean you have 2.2.2b ? |
| 15:26 | David | It says 'The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your |
| 15:26 | request. | |
| 15:26 | kados | there should be some complaints on the lines above that line |
| 15:26 | how about above that? | |
| 15:27 | script names, line numbers ... all helpful | |
| 15:27 | David | Apache logs say 'Can"t use an undefined value as a HASH reference at c:/usr/koha222/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm line 255' |
| 15:28 | paul | just enter an empty word |
| 15:28 | in Koha >> parameters >> empty word | |
| 15:28 | kados | aha! that's the problem |
| 15:28 | paul | should REALLY be in bold & everywhere... |
| 15:28 | as this question is asked almost once a week. | |
| 15:28 | (not your fault but our...) | |
| 15:29 | David | Sorry - I'm not actually on the PC Koha is installed on - it's at work and I'm at home at the moment! |
| 15:29 | paul | no prob, but 99% sure it's the origin of your problem ;-) |
| 15:30 | David | Just explain - what do you mean by just enter an empty word? |
| 15:30 | paul | the, a, an, in... |
| 15:30 | are empty words in english | |
| 15:30 | le, la, une, ... are empty words in french | |
| 15:31 | owen | stop words |
| 15:31 | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/stopwords.pl | |
| 15:31 | paul | oups, sorry, in french, it's "empty" words. |
| 15:32 | David | how does that relate to the error? |
| 15:32 | paul | us ppl should light on TV... |
| 15:32 | kados | David: they're called 'stop words' in English |
| 15:32 | paul | if they care about M. Jackson suing... |
| 15:32 | kados | ahh ... owen caught it already |
| 15:32 | ;-) | |
| 15:33 | paul | david : if you don't have a stopword, then Koha bugs. |
| 15:33 | David | ok - i'll give it a go when i get to work! |
| 15:33 | paul | because the stopword hash structure contains nothing (different from "" in Perl) |
| 15:36 | David | Thanks for the help. Maybe it will all become clear when I try it on the PC in 1/2 hr or so. I'll report back then. Thanks! |
| 15:37 | paul | you're welcome.I'll be in bed anyway ;-) |
| 15:38 | kados | paul: how many records are in the database? |
| 15:38 | paul | 13000 |
| 15:38 | kados | thanks ... writing an email to the list now |
| 15:38 | about Zebra | |
| 15:39 | paul | writing a mail to zebra list & going to bed |
| 15:39 | kados | cool ... have a good sleep |
| 15:57 | paul_bed: Sebastial responded already ;-) | |
| 15:57 | paul_bed: Sebastian even ;-) | |
| 16:07 | chris around? | |
| 16:47 | sanspach | I searched logs and bugs but didn't see anything: has there been talk of isbn-13/ean ? |
| 16:51 | kados | hey sanspach |
| 16:51 | what about isbn-13/ean? | |
| 16:51 | (is that different that isbn?) | |
| 16:52 | sanspach | the isbn is moving to 13 digits and will now conform to standard for EAN |
| 16:52 | kados | ahh ... no we haven't addressed any potential issues with that on koha-devel |
| 16:52 | might be good to bring it up | |
| 16:52 | can you do that? | |
| 16:53 | sanspach | I was poking around for checkdigit (I want to do a different checkdigit algorithm) |
| 16:53 | and noticed ISBN for 10-digits | |
| 16:53 | already have code for 13 digits/EAN as well as conversion | |
| 16:53 | I'll try to write something | |
| 16:54 | probably should make two different suggestions, though | |
| 16:55 | kados | cool |
| 16:55 | thanks! | |
| 16:57 | owen | When the question of isbn-13 was brough up on the Koha list on 3/28/2005, the response from Stephen was "the ISBN field can actually store 14 characters." |
| 16:57 | Currently Koha doesn't have any built-in ISBN checks | |
| 16:57 | sanspach | there are indications that anyone programming for 13 should go ahead for 14 |
| 16:58 | but then there's the question of what to do with that extra character in the meantime | |
| 16:58 | the isbn check subroutine isn't used? (I'm very new to Koha) | |
| 17:00 | owen | No |
| 17:02 | sanspach | ah, thus bug 906 requesting that there be a check (duh!) |
| 17:21 | kados | chris around? |
| 17:21 | rach | hello |
| 17:21 | kados | hey rach |
| 17:21 | sorry about the bugsquashing session time ;-) | |
| 17:21 | rach | :-) |
| 17:22 | kados | it's the only time I could get paul, slef, hdl, and genji to commit to |
| 17:22 | I hope the Search Meeting suggested time is better | |
| 17:23 | rach | but I've put in a couple of bug reports over the last week |
| 17:23 | kados | yep ... saw those |
| 17:26 | rach | There is a bit of a disconnect I think around acquisitions because the major developers/their libraries don't actually use that module |
| 17:26 | kados | yea ... NPL doesn't use it at all |
| 17:26 | rach | but I figure I should notify the things I think are bugs so that someone can scream if they don't think they are :-) |
| 17:26 | kados | so I'm not really familiar with the issues |
| 17:27 | yep ... I suspect paul will be glad to optionize areas where libraries disagree | |
| 17:28 | the Zebra Searching email is pretty important rach | |
| 17:28 | rach | I don't think any of pauls clients use acquisitions either - but if they do, then I'm keen to hear wether the problems that I think oculd arrise is actually do in real life |
| 17:28 | kados | (just in cause you thought maybe it was just a techie thing) |
| 17:28 | if we go with Zebra we'll have to seriously look at what to do with non-MARC libraries | |
| 17:30 | rach | yep |
| 17:32 | idiot question perhaps but why? I thought (so I must be wrong on this) that non-marc libraries basically are just choosing not to see the Marc? But that the fields etc can still be linked up? or is that not right? | |
| 17:32 | kados | yea they can be |
| 17:32 | rach | I thought they were by default? |
| 17:33 | kados | but that may not be the best way to approach zebra |
| 17:33 | not sure as i don't have a non-marc koha installed anywhere | |
| 17:33 | rach | because even the people who don't want to see marc, still want to be able to export their data as marc in the future etc - I might be off base on that, or we may not have gone where I had in mind |
| 17:34 | but my thought/intention with MARC being on or off was that it should be largely just a matter of templates | |
| 17:34 | kados | yep ... though I'm not sure if that's the case |
| 17:34 | chris should know | |
| 17:35 | rach | you can turn marc off and on in a library fairly happily :-) |
| 17:35 | but yep the reality may not live up to my ideal :-) | |
| 17:35 | kados | hehe ... true |
| 17:42 | rach | chris isn't in today unfortunatly |
| 17:51 | joshua are yo a list admin for the koha-devl list? | |
| 17:57 | kados | yea I can be |
| 17:57 | need something done? | |
| 02:35 | paul | someone testing ZAP! with paul-poulain at the moment ? |
| 02:54 | salut francoisl | |
| 02:54 | je suis en train de rédiger un mail pour la liste infos. | |
| 02:55 | marqué [important]... | |
| 04:28 | David | Paul: Thanks very much for the help this morning (my time). The problem was with the 'Stop words' being empty. Never would have found that myself! |
| 04:28 | paul | right. |
| 04:28 | that's why we really should write it somewhere... | |
| 04:28 | no, everywhere... | |
| 04:29 | David | Yes - it certainly would help! |
| 04:29 | paul | have a good night if i don't mind ;-) |
| 04:29 | (almost lunch time for me) | |
| 04:29 | David | 9.30pm here (New Zealand) - where are you? |
| 04:30 | paul | in France |
| 04:32 | David | I've never been on this IRC channel before and only just tried using Koha, so it's the first time I've chatted with Paul |
| 04:33 | My partner is getting suspious - me chatting online and all (he he...) | |
| 04:33 | I'd better go! | |
| 04:33 | paul | i have to go too |
| 04:33 | David | Thanks again |
| 06:02 | kados | paul: looks like you got your records indexed. congrats! |
| 06:04 | paul: also, note that I'm getting some hits from the Zap client | |
| 06:04 | but the records aren't being displayed | |
| 06:11 | paul | kados : 'morning. |
| 06:11 | kados | hi paul |
| 06:13 | paul | how do you do to retrieve records. |
| 06:13 | because I see then in yaz-client | |
| 06:13 | s/then/them/ | |
| 06:14 | Z> format xml | |
| 06:14 | Z> show 1 | |
| 06:14 | Sent presentRequest (1+1). | |
| 06:14 | Records: 1 | |
| 06:14 | [Default]Record type: XML | |
| 06:14 | <unimarc><001>8058</001><010>< ><a>2222040264</a></ ></010><090>< ><9>7591</9><a>7591</a></ ></090><101>< ><a>fre</a></ ></101><200><1 ><a>Des ph\XE9nom\XE8nes critiques aux champs de jauge</a><e>une introduction aux m\XE9thodes at aux applications de la th\XE9orie quantique des champs</e><f>LE BELLAC, M</f></1 ></200><210>< ><5>CNRS Editions</5><a>Paris</a><c>CNRS Editions</c><d>1988</d></ ></210><215>< ><a>369 p</a><d>25 cm</d></ ></215><225>< | |
| 06:14 | Savoirs actuels</a></ ></225><410>< ><t>Savoirs actuels</t></ ></410><606>< ><9>3419</9><a>NUCLEAIRE</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4229</9><a>PHYSIQUE NUCLEAIRE</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>5457</9><a>PHASE DE TRANSITION</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4920</9><a>THEORIE DES CHAMPS</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4689</9><a>RENORMALISATION</a></ ></606><686>< ><a>LIVR</a></ ></686><700>< ><9>8520</9><a>LE BELLAC, Michel</a></ ></700><990>< ><a>N 8 | |
| 06:14 | BEL</a><e>Nucl\XE9aire (Orange)</e></ ></990><995>< ><9>10795</9><b>CDI</b><c>CDI</c><e>SL</e><f>INVENTAIRE 6 FAIT LE 29.07.03</f><j>012676</j><k>N 8 BEL</k><o>0</o><u><b>OUVRAGE RECHERCHE</b></u></ ></995> | |
| 06:14 | <idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/"> | |
| 06:14 | <size>841</size> | |
| 06:14 | <localnumber>7598</localnumber> | |
| 06:14 | <filename>catalogue/EMN.iso2709</filename> | |
| 06:14 | </idzebra> | |
| 06:14 | </unimarc> | |
| 06:14 | which is correct. | |
| 06:14 | do you know how to retrieve iso2709 files ? | |
| 06:15 | kados | sure ... |
| 06:15 | there are two stages to a z39.50 request | |
| 06:15 | search | |
| 06:15 | present | |
| 06:16 | paul | the "show 1" you mean ? |
| 06:16 | (in yaz-client) | |
| 06:16 | kados | yes |
| 06:16 | paul | I tried : format usmarc |
| 06:16 | show 1 | |
| 06:16 | kados | except that you can 'show 1-50' |
| 06:16 | paul | and got : |
| 06:16 | Z> format usmarc | |
| 06:16 | Z> show 1 | |
| 06:16 | Sent presentRequest (1+1). | |
| 06:16 | Records: 1 | |
| 06:16 | [Default]Diagnostic message(s) from database: | |
| 06:16 | [238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo '' | |
| 06:16 | nextResultSetPosition = 2 | |
| 06:16 | Elapsed: 0.000816 | |
| 06:17 | kados | ahh ... yes ... |
| 06:17 | paul | any idea welcomed |
| 06:17 | kados | http://liblime.com/zap/try.html |
| 06:17 | put your server:port/database (default is fine) | |
| 06:18 | paul | works fine, except in usmarc format :-( |
| 06:18 | kados | right |
| 06:18 | well remember that zebra | |
| 06:19 | relies on the data as a file | |
| 06:19 | and retrieves it that way | |
| 06:19 | paul | ??? |
| 06:19 | kados | zebra creates its own index |
| 06:19 | but still retrieves the records from the file | |
| 06:20 | (you can have zebra store internally the data but not by default) | |
| 06:21 | paul | and then ? |
| 06:21 | kados | http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/[…]ating-records.tkl |
| 06:21 | paul | (is there something related to the show format ? |
| 06:21 | kados | maybe ... |
| 06:24 | http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/[…]tocol-support.tkl | |
| 06:25 | http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/formats.tkl | |
| 06:25 | this last one maybe | |
| 06:26 | we may need to setup a .map schema ... but not sure | |
| 07:23 | paul | kados : got it ! |
| 07:24 | strange... | |
| 07:24 | works fine in explicit usmarc format in try.html | |
| 07:25 | but still wrong in advanced.html | |
| 07:27 | in try.html, the following display are OK : SUTRS, USMARC, XML | |
| 07:27 | the other display are empty : GRS-1, danmarc, HTML | |
| 07:28 | kados, do you want that I commit some of my files into CVS ? | |
| 07:38 | kados | sure |
| 07:38 | paul | any idea on try.html working & not advanced.html ? |
| 07:38 | kados | even better would be a README for how to setup Zebra with a Koha catalog eh? |
| 07:38 | paul | ;-) |
| 07:38 | kados | it's very strange |
| 07:39 | paul | tomorrow, i'll try to share some SearchMarcZebra.pm package. |
| 07:39 | kados | paul: one important thing to consider is switching to utf-8 |
| 07:39 | paul: that'd be great! | |
| 07:39 | paul | for sure ! |
| 07:39 | I begin to understand how zebra config files works. should not be too hard. | |
| 07:40 | 1- query zebra | |
| 07:40 | 2- retrieve records | |
| 07:40 | 3- find biblionumber | |
| 07:40 | 4- do as usual. | |
| 07:40 | kados | yes ... perfect for a test case |
| 07:40 | but eventually I think we should do: | |
| 07:40 | 1- query zebra | |
| 07:40 | 2- retrieve records | |
| 07:40 | paul | will be a P.O.C., as it's silly to retrieve records then retrieve them again in Koha ;-) |
| 07:41 | kados | 3- display to user |
| 07:41 | right ;-) | |
| 07:41 | the only thing MARC doens't have is status info | |
| 07:41 | which can be easily obtained from koha tables | |
| 07:41 | paul | should not be to hard to embeed in the MARC record. |
| 07:41 | (in UNIMARC recommandation 995, there is a subfield for this) | |
| 07:41 | kados | really! that's good news |
| 07:42 | paul | (unused yet for koha users) |
| 07:42 | kados | although I do want to preserve transactions in koha tables |
| 07:42 | paul | http://www.adbdp.asso.fr/outil[…]ogestion/r995.htm |
| 07:42 | kados | I think we have two databases: |
| 07:42 | paul | right. we will have to invetigate to see if it's better to have transactions in Koha or in zebra. |
| 07:42 | kados | koha database handles information on the movement of items |
| 07:43 | paul | anyway, at 1st glance, my feeling is that we still need raw marc in Koha. |
| 07:43 | kados | zebra handles textual elements of MARC records |
| 07:43 | I hope transactions in Koha will be better | |
| 07:43 | (otherwise, what's the point of using koha ;-)) | |
| 07:43 | paul | ;-) |
| 07:44 | in reco995, issuing informations are in : | |
| 07:44 | $m - Date de prêt ou de dépôt | |
| 07:44 | $n - Date de restitution prévue | |
| 07:44 | $o - Catégorie de circulation | |
| 07:44 | (issuing date / return date / issuing category) | |
| 07:44 | kados | cool |
| 07:44 | paul | my idea could be to have : |
| 07:45 | * zebra for search & results list | |
| 07:45 | * koha for MARC editor and when MARCdetail.pl called. | |
| 07:45 | kados | why when marcdetail called? |
| 07:46 | paul | because we already know the $bibid, so no need to query zebra |
| 07:46 | + we already have issuing status in mySQL | |
| 07:46 | kados | but ... we already have the whole marc record too |
| 07:46 | so why re-query mysql at all? | |
| 07:47 | paul | yes but no. where is the marc record coming from zebra once you have sent opac-searchresult.pl to the user ? |
| 07:48 | as we are in http, what you have found is in a process that is dead. | |
| 07:48 | kados | not if we use DOM |
| 07:48 | paul | so, when the user clics on "see detail", you need to find the MARC data again isn't it ? |
| 07:48 | kados | nope ... |
| 07:48 | just have a 'tab' | |
| 07:48 | when they click on it, it displays | |
| 07:48 | no reload | |
| 07:49 | paul | and when you get 150 results from the query ? you DOM'ed the 150 biblios ? |
| 07:50 | kados | here's an example: |
| 07:50 | http://catalog.cincinnatilibra[…]5Ewords+or+phrase | |
| 07:50 | (not sure if this link works ... if not: | |
| 07:50 | paul | works |
| 07:50 | kados | great |
| 07:50 | click on catalog record | |
| 07:51 | oops ... now I understand what you mean | |
| 07:51 | paul | (in konqueror, the marc is always here ;-) works fine in ff) |
| 07:51 | ;-) | |
| 07:51 | kados | and I forgot that your default view is MARC |
| 07:51 | whereas NPL is not | |
| 07:52 | paul | my problem is not here. |
| 07:52 | kados | so I thought you meant to re-query after details page is already loaded |
| 07:52 | but you mean on the initial search results page _> details page | |
| 07:52 | paul | it's that when you do a search, you 1st get a result list, then a detail |
| 07:52 | kados | right ... |
| 07:52 | paul | http://catalog.cincinnatilibra[…]MAIN/59160050/5/0 |
| 07:53 | then >> clic detail (& read the MARC record once again) | |
| 07:53 | kados | what is the search term? |
| 07:53 | paul | lord ring in title |
| 07:54 | kados | (the link is session-based and so it didn't work) |
| 07:54 | ok | |
| 07:55 | well maybe we should re-invent this function | |
| 07:55 | do search | |
| 07:55 | return result list | |
| 07:55 | user clicks on detail | |
| 07:55 | details pop down below record | |
| 07:55 | paul | even in this case, you can sent all the records in 1 html page. |
| 07:55 | kados | avoiding page reloads |
| 07:56 | no ... only the first 10 | |
| 07:56 | paul | (in case there are only 20, you will have html rendering very long !) |
| 07:56 | kados | hmmm |
| 07:56 | paul | & http traffic too heavy on a low bandwidth |
| 07:57 | kados | are you sure? |
| 07:57 | a marc file is quite small | |
| 07:57 | paul | the html MARC editor page (for a single MARC record) can be >50KB |
| 07:57 | (with all the authorised values lists I agree) | |
| 07:58 | but my opinion is that we will have a better way (& an easier one) to use zebra for what it's done for : indexing & searching. | |
| 07:58 | kados | yep ... |
| 07:58 | (above this I was just brain-storming ;-)) | |
| 07:59 | paul | right. we all are brain storming ;-) |
| 07:59 | kados | hehe |
| 07:59 | paul | (beware the headake) |
| 07:59 | headake ? | |
| 07:59 | (wrong spelling i bet) | |
| 07:59 | kados | headache I think |
| 08:00 | :-) | |
| 08:03 | paul: do you run multiple Koha's on the same machine regularly? | |
| 08:04 | paul | no : always. |
| 08:04 | kados | right |
| 08:04 | paul | go to bureau.paulpoulain.com : at least 4 public Koha. + 22+head + 2 private atm |
| 08:04 | kados | and all of them from CVS repos? |
| 08:04 | paul | yes |
| 08:04 | (from rel_2_2) | |
| 08:04 | kados | do you use installer.pl to create a new install? |
| 08:05 | paul | (except head, of course) |
| 08:05 | kados | or do you manually install? |
| 08:05 | paul | no more installer.pl on my computer. |
| 08:05 | but when doing a public install, I use installer.pl of course | |
| 08:05 | kados | right |
| 08:05 | I'm thinking it would be nice to modularize Koha a bit more | |
| 08:05 | paul | + mysqldump the DB from my server & mysql <db.sql on the dest server. |
| 08:06 | like ? | |
| 08:06 | kados | the current intaller is pretty limited |
| 08:06 | well /etc/koha.conf | |
| 08:06 | /etc/koha-httpd.conf | |
| 08:06 | always go in the same place | |
| 08:07 | and I can't have say /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client1.conf /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client2.conf, etc | |
| 08:07 | paul | why not. the 1st test to remove in this case is the "stop installer if /etc/koha.conf exists) |
| 08:07 | kados | right |
| 08:07 | paul | should not be too hard to do. But a little bit tricky for updater... |
| 08:07 | kados | but also we should have an installer.conf |
| 08:07 | paul | we already have |
| 08:07 | (auto_install file) | |
| 08:08 | where you can set all parameters & have an automatic install | |
| 08:08 | kados | right ... but still some limitations |
| 08:08 | paul | only 1 that i see |
| 08:08 | kados | like I can't choose where to put koha-httpd.conf koha.conf (or what to call them) |
| 08:08 | I can't choose log file names, etc. | |
| 08:08 | paul | no way to specify sql files to upload. |
| 08:09 | right, but it's not auto_install limit, it's installer.pl limit ! | |
| 08:09 | kados | right |
| 08:09 | I should just read through installer.pl ... but I suspect there are some PATH muckings in there as well | |
| 08:10 | paul | maybe. I must say i'm not a .sh pro |
| 08:10 | kados | also ... a question |
| 08:10 | paul | so i just created auto_install, using what had been written before. |
| 08:10 | kados | would it be a good idea to run multiple Kohas off the same script files? |
| 08:10 | paul | ??? |
| 08:10 | kados | (changing templates of course) |
| 08:11 | I know if sounds crazy ;-) | |
| 08:11 | s/if/it/ | |
| 08:11 | I'm just thinking that it might be nice to have: | |
| 08:11 | /build/koha/opac | |
| 08:11 | paul | (no, it's just i don't undestand. not crazy ;-) ) |
| 08:11 | kados | /build/client1/opac-tmpl |
| 08:11 | /build/client2/opac-tmpl | |
| 08:12 | /build/client1/etc/koha.conf | |
| 08:12 | /build/client2/etc/koha.conf | |
| 08:12 | /var/lib/mysql/client1 | |
| 08:12 | /var/lib/mysql/client2 | |
| 08:12 | paul | that's already possible (manually) to share .pl & .pm but have spectific templates for each library, as well as parameters & sql, of course |
| 08:12 | kados | but all of the clients use the same /build/koha/opac, intranet, etc. |
| 08:12 | paul | (as templates path is in /etc/koha.conf iirc) |
| 08:13 | kados | right ... just wondering if that's something you've played with |
| 08:13 | paul | no for templates, as i only deal with css in opac |
| 08:13 | (& a stylesheet if requested) | |
| 08:14 | kados | i would also like to create an installer for the CVS repo |
| 08:14 | actually ... | |
| 08:14 | paul | you have too many ideas... |
| 08:14 | ;-) | |
| 08:14 | kados | it might be nice if we had installer.pl and cvs-installer.pl |
| 08:15 | :-) | |
| 08:15 | paul | (you will have to delay some of them imho) |
| 08:15 | kados | cvs-installer.pl would grab the latest cvs repo and install from there |
| 08:15 | (of course) | |
| 08:21 | FrancoisL: hi there Francois-Laurent | |
| 08:21 | FrancoisL: what's new with you? | |
| 09:03 | slef: evening | |
| 09:04 | slef: are any of the times paul listed in his response to the Searching Meeting email good for you? | |
| 09:15 | FrancoisL | Hi kados ! How are you ? |
| 09:16 | paul | hi again francoisl ;-) |
| 09:16 | FrancoisL | paul: salut |
| 09:17 | kados: I've been with the SAN last week - things are clear now | |
| 09:17 | I have a list of all modifications they want (not a long list !) | |
| 09:17 | We are hiring a Koha developper to help them. | |
| 09:18 | paul | did you plan to be here for "Koha 2.4 Searching Group Meeting" ? |
| 09:18 | VERY important, imho. | |
| 09:19 | kados | yes |
| 09:19 | hi FrancoisL | |
| 09:19 | :-) | |
| 09:19 | FrancoisL | I agree, but 1-I'll be in Grenoble for a congress 2- 11pm is much too late for me :( |
| 09:19 | paul | the date will change, for sure. |
| 09:19 | kados | yep |
| 09:19 | what time can you make it FrancoisL ? | |
| 09:20 | FrancoisL | OK so I'll make an effort. Kados: any time before 10pm local time I can manage... |
| 09:20 | I'll talk to the wife :) | |
| 09:20 | kados | ok ;-) |
| 09:20 | paul | (we are GMT+2 joshua) |
| 09:21 | FrancoisL | (we are you+6 joshua) |
| 09:21 | kados | right ;-) |
| 09:22 | FrancoisL | Moday is a no-no for me as I teach in an architecture school (5 hours without pause...) |
| 09:22 | s/Moday/Monday | |
| 09:22 | kados | Thur 16? Fri 17? |
| 09:23 | paul | thur16 ok, but not before 9PM GMT |
| 09:23 | kados | Tue 21? |
| 09:23 | FrancoisL | Nope : I'll be in Grenoble (16-20th) |
| 09:23 | kados | so it looks like Tue 21 |
| 09:23 | FrancoisL | ..and so well be Paul :) |
| 09:23 | kados | for Paul and FrancoisL |
| 09:23 | FrancoisL | OK for Tue 21. What time ? |
| 09:27 | kados | FrancoisL: http://tinyurl.com/8mbfc |
| 09:42 | slef | kados: finding email. |
| 09:44 | kados: all look possible. | |
| 09:45 | kados | slef: great ... thanks! |
| 09:51 | owen | Bug Squashing this morning? |
| 09:56 | slef | http://raw-output.org/20050614[…]ranslators-insane |
| 10:00 | kados | BugSquashing Session |
| 10:01 | hi everyone | |
| 10:01 | who's here? | |
| 10:01 | owen and slef I know | |
| 10:01 | paul still with us? | |
| 10:01 | hdl? | |
| 10:01 | here's the list of bugs: | |
| 10:01 | http://tinyurl.com/as66z | |
| 10:02 | owen | Where do you want to start? |
| 10:03 | kados | well last time we did the '900s' |
| 10:03 | but I think pauls method is better | |
| 10:03 | start with the ones that are higher priority | |
| 10:03 | I have 893 listed first | |
| 10:03 | owen | You mean by severity? |
| 10:03 | kados | yep |
| 10:03 | http://tinyurl.com/as66z | |
| 10:04 | does that link not auto-sort for you by severity? | |
| 10:04 | slef joining us? | |
| 10:04 | owen | Yes |
| 10:04 | It does | |
| 10:04 | kados | cool |
| 10:04 | paul joining us? | |
| 10:04 | paul | (on phone) |
| 10:04 | kados | it won't be much of a bug squashing session with owen and I ;-) |
| 10:05 | paul | (was on phone with francois L. it's done now) |
| 10:06 | kados | sweet ... ok ... I guess that makes quorum |
| 10:06 | so | |
| 10:06 | http://tinyurl.com/as66z | |
| 10:06 | list of bugs | |
| 10:06 | slef | also, tinyurl.com links aren't obvious what they are |
| 10:07 | so I mostly ignore them | |
| 10:07 | kados | true |
| 10:07 | owen | slef, aren't we among friends here? Couldn't you give kados the benefit of the doubt? |
| 10:07 | kados | maybe I'll annotate them from now on |
| 10:07 | anyway ... | |
| 10:07 | we've got 66 bugs | |
| 10:07 | bug 893: Can't get past biblio info page in simple acquisitions | |
| 10:07 | slef | owen, it was a quick glance at scrollback once I got back online. |
| 10:08 | owen | I don't see bug 893 happening for us... Can anyone duplicate it? |
| 10:08 | paul | i think it's a MARC=OFF problem |
| 10:08 | slef | 893 is marked Windows 2000 |
| 10:08 | paul | so, it's for chris ;-) |
| 10:09 | owen | Oh, right. I see |
| 10:09 | slef | I guess we need info from the server log. |
| 10:09 | owen | She said 'simple acquisitions,' so I assumed she meant acqui.simple |
| 10:09 | slef | paul: has anyone got a MARC=OFF system to hand? |
| 10:09 | erm, not sure why that said paul:, sorry | |
| 10:09 | paul | in new zealand, yes. |
| 10:10 | kados | so I'll try to get more info from chris on this one |
| 10:11 | 857 is assigned to paul | |
| 10:11 | paul: is that still right? | |
| 10:11 | paul | yes |
| 10:11 | kados | ok ... |
| 10:11 | paul | I think i've a simple solution to fix it. |
| 10:12 | i'll let the url field with http://site1.com|http://site2.org | |
| 10:12 | and split in opac-detail to have correct URLs | |
| 10:12 | so, now you can expect a fix in 2.2.4 | |
| 10:12 | kados | ok cool |
| 10:12 | (can't make it for 2.2.3?) | |
| 10:12 | paul | no, because 2.2.3 is for friday on monday ;-) |
| 10:13 | kados | ok ;-) |
| 10:13 | bug 472: It should not be possible to delete an item which is on issu | |
| 10:13 | paul | it's ready, translation to french is OK, i'll install a french library in 2 hours for RC tests |
| 10:13 | nothing to add, it's a bug to fix ;-) | |
| 10:13 | kados | and assigned to paul |
| 10:14 | paul | yep. I'll take care of it... (nervous smiling, gun in hand...) |
| 10:14 | kados | hehe |
| 10:14 | slef | bugs.koha.org just went dead on me for a minute, sorry for being quiet |
| 10:14 | kados | Bug 670: "Waiting" status often inaccurate |
| 10:15 | paul | owen ? |
| 10:15 | owen | Yes? |
| 10:15 | paul | 670 is yours ;-) |
| 10:16 | should we let this bug open ? or close it ? | |
| 10:16 | kados | owen: do you consider it fixed? |
| 10:16 | owen | I think there's one last major place where this bug needs work: Circulation |
| 10:16 | We need to get information into the circ template about holding branch versus pickup location | |
| 10:16 | kados | who was responsible for the fixes on the opac (does anyone know?) |
| 10:18 | owen | I made some changes in some places...not sure if I worked on the opac or not |
| 10:18 | kados | owen: do you want to investigate further? |
| 10:18 | paul | + working on .pm will impact opac as well as librarian interface. |
| 10:18 | owen | I'm at the limit of my abilities with circulation.pl |
| 10:18 | I need someone else to take a look | |
| 10:19 | kados | ok ... I'll assign it to myself |
| 10:19 | Bug 915: opac-MARCdetail.pl incorrectly shows request status | |
| 10:20 | paul | owen, is it fixed ? |
| 10:20 | owen | Not the last time I checked, but let me look again |
| 10:21 | kados | ok ... in the meantime |
| 10:21 | 984: Bug in installer appears to not correctly escape password | |
| 10:22 | slef: your bug right? | |
| 10:23 | slef | yes |
| 10:23 | kados | Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions |
| 10:23 | slef | I think that's a fix, but |
| 10:23 | oh, never mind then :-/ | |
| 10:23 | kados | ;-) |
| 10:23 | so is it fixed? | |
| 10:24 | sorry, I thought maybe you were still working on it | |
| 10:24 | owen | Bug 915 is not fixed |
| 10:24 | slef | I think that's a fix and committed to HEAD, but not 2.2 and submitter seems to have died. |
| 10:24 | kados | submitter? |
| 10:25 | slef | Cory, who reported the problem. |
| 10:25 | kados | right |
| 10:25 | ok ... (thought you were talking about submitter software ;-)) | |
| 10:25 | slef | paul: can you consider that for 2.2? |
| 10:25 | kados | (and hopefully Cory's not dead ;-)) |
| 10:25 | paul | yes, i'll give a try. |
| 10:26 | kados | great ... |
| 10:26 | paul look at 915 too? | |
| 10:26 | paul | yes |
| 10:26 | kados | Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions |
| 10:27 | slef | kados: why are you jumping around the bug list? |
| 10:27 | owen | yeah, that's skipping ahead I think |
| 10:27 | kados | hum |
| 10:27 | slef | not just this one, but lots |
| 10:27 | paul | not skipping for me. |
| 10:27 | kados | not for me either |
| 10:27 | paul | bugs ordered by severity |
| 10:28 | bug 834 : there is an online help, should be enough imho | |
| 10:28 | kados | ok ... so we close it with a pointer to the online help? |
| 10:28 | owen | I think the normal bugs aren't getting sorted consistently, that's all. |
| 10:29 | kados, you lead us through the list | |
| 10:29 | kados | ahh ... probably not ... good point |
| 10:29 | ok | |
| 10:29 | paul | that's my opinion, we can close 834 |
| 10:29 | kados | ok ... go ahead and close it but include a note about online help |
| 10:29 | paul | you do ? |
| 10:30 | kados | no |
| 10:30 | paul | I do ? |
| 10:30 | kados | yes (if that's ok) |
| 10:30 | paul | done |
| 10:30 | kados | ok ... next on my list is |
| 10:31 | 857: Cannot link to multiple web site addresses from 856 tag | |
| 10:31 | paul | already done ;-) |
| 10:31 | kados | (I reloaded my page and now everything's ordered differently) |
| 10:31 | sorry | |
| 10:31 | :-) | |
| 10:31 | owen | Thanks, Bugzilla! :) |
| 10:31 | paul | pffff... not fun... |
| 10:31 | kados | 856: subscription renewal changes the start date in OPAC |
| 10:32 | paul | it's fixed (2 days ago) |
| 10:32 | kados | great ... please close it |
| 10:32 | paul | done |
| 10:32 | (& you proofread the page) | |
| 10:32 | kados | (I will) |
| 10:32 | paul | (no, you already proofread the opac page) |
| 10:32 | kados | 878: updatedatabase breaks parameters (author and title searches |
| 10:33 | (oh ... yes I remember now) ;-) | |
| 10:33 | paul | fixed. |
| 10:34 | if I don't mind. | |
| 10:34 | kados | right ... go ahead and close it |
| 10:34 | 885:; Non-ISO8859-1 charset support broken in CSS theme in 2.2 | |
| 10:35 | paul | bugs.koha.org off... |
| 10:35 | slef | sounds interesting to me, but bko just gone off again |
| 10:35 | kados | yep I notice it too |
| 10:35 | paul | up again... |
| 10:36 | slef | anyone up for replacing bko for 2.4? ;-) |
| 10:36 | paul | 858 requireds a lot of work. |
| 10:36 | the best solution being to really move to utf-8 | |
| 10:36 | kados | bko? |
| 10:36 | paul | bugs.koha.org |
| 10:36 | owen | bugs.koha.org |
| 10:36 | kados | I agree ... utf-8 is probably the best way to go |
| 10:37 | slef: what do you propose? | |
| 10:37 | paul | (on phone) |
| 10:37 | owen | Would an upgrade improve things? |
| 10:37 | slef | kados: give me 5 or 10 minutes at end of bugsquash? (or next time it goes offline) |
| 10:37 | kados | sounds good |
| 10:37 | so 858 ... | |
| 10:37 | slef | How do we go utf-8? |
| 10:38 | kados | no idea ... :-) |
| 10:38 | my knowledge of charsets is pretty poor | |
| 10:38 | Encode is one way I've done it in the past | |
| 10:38 | slef | I guess we add the http-equiv and I make the next installer set the headers in koha-httpd.conf |
| 10:38 | owen | Wouldn't the same bug require utf-8 in the database? |
| 10:39 | Is the bug complaining about the templates, or the database, or both? | |
| 10:39 | slef | yes. I guess paul will have an opinion about that |
| 10:39 | kados | slef: have you ever used Template::Toolkit? |
| 10:39 | slef | bug is complaining about templates afaict? |
| 10:39 | paul | (on phone) |
| 10:39 | kados | paul: we'll wait for you |
| 10:39 | slef | kados: Probably. Don't know. |
| 10:39 | kados | let's move on to 849: Error when generating barcodes |
| 10:39 | till paul gets back | |
| 10:40 | owen | Hmmm... I haven't tried that in quite a while |
| 10:40 | No idea if it's still current | |
| 10:40 | kados | I must admit I've never tried to print barcodes |
| 10:40 | owen | Anyone else playing around with barcodes? |
| 10:41 | kados | i can look into it |
| 10:41 | It's something I should know anyway | |
| 10:41 | 926Many form tags lack method and/or action attributes | |
| 10:41 | owen | We talked about that one last time. |
| 10:41 | kados | right |
| 10:41 | owen | Isn't it assigned to me now? |
| 10:42 | kados | I think so |
| 10:42 | bugzilla down it seeems ;-) | |
| 10:42 | actually, it might be NZ bandwidth issue too | |
| 10:42 | paul | back |
| 10:42 | kados | great ... so back to 858 then |
| 10:42 | slef | sorry, I just got a call on a line I thought I'd switched off |
| 10:43 | paul | utf-8 is a 3 way plan i think : |
| 10:43 | * utf-8 templates | |
| 10:43 | * utf-8 datas | |
| 10:43 | * utf-8 translations | |
| 10:43 | moving templates to utf-8 requires use of a tool like html tidy if i don't mind. | |
| 10:44 | owen | utf-8 datas is the biggest question mark isn't it? |
| 10:44 | paul | plus some manual changes |
| 10:44 | kados | paul: have you used Template::Toolkit? |
| 10:44 | paul | No kados. utf-8 datas means, I think : dumping datas, changing mySQL & reloading datas |
| 10:44 | kados | right |
| 10:44 | paul | for translation, it's not clear. |
| 10:44 | anyway, it's not a 2.2.x task. | |
| 10:44 | kados | but we still need to figure a way to have utf-8 for templates |
| 10:45 | in addition to data | |
| 10:45 | in fact, it might be possible to "pretend" we have utf-8 in the data | |
| 10:45 | by using an encode when we pull data out | |
| 10:45 | so maybe this bug is really a feature request? | |
| 10:46 | (or at least it suggests a feature request) | |
| 10:46 | slef | or maybe it's a WONTFIX until 2.4? |
| 10:46 | kados | right ... |
| 10:46 | paul | maybe we can have a solution to fix it without everything in utf-8 |
| 10:46 | kados | so there's a discussion I'll have to schedule on encoding |
| 10:47 | paul | i think we need acli opinion. |
| 10:47 | kados | acli? |
| 10:47 | owen | The bug reporter |
| 10:47 | kados | right |
| 10:47 | ok ... so slef would you look into this one? | |
| 10:47 | slef | either way, that's more than one bug |
| 10:47 | paul | acli is also tmpl_process3 author (the tool for translations) |
| 10:48 | slef | kados: yes. |
| 10:48 | paul | we have to investigate correctly this question, because iso2709 char encoding is poor for instance |
| 10:48 | kados | ok ... go ahead and assign it to yourself |
| 10:48 | paul | (awful in fact ;-) ) |
| 10:48 | kados | yes! |
| 10:48 | slef | iso2709 = marc? |
| 10:48 | kados | it's really abd |
| 10:48 | bad even | |
| 10:48 | slef | paul: Is that OK with you? |
| 10:48 | paul | iso2709 is the technical form of a MARC file. |
| 10:48 | it's OK. | |
| 10:49 | kados | ok ... shall we move on? |
| 10:49 | paul | ok for me |
| 10:49 | kados | I can write an email to the list about encoding issues later today |
| 10:49 | 247: we should split city and state in borrower info | |
| 10:49 | paul | nice. |
| 10:49 | kados | is this fixed? |
| 10:49 | owen | 247 is really part of a larger overhaul of the borrower database |
| 10:50 | kados | ok ... so it's still a prob |
| 10:50 | owen: can we link 247 with other bugs? | |
| 10:50 | owen | Paul weren't you interested in changing the way the borrower's table looked? |
| 10:50 | paul | it's not a bug for frenchies ;-) |
| 10:50 | right owen. | |
| 10:50 | I think we need to clarify borrowers table | |
| 10:50 | owen | paul: right, but it's a larger issue in terms of i8n |
| 10:50 | paul | because fields names are not clear. |
| 10:51 | kados | so ... another discussion on koha-devel it sounds like eh? |
| 10:51 | paul | yep. |
| 10:51 | kados | I'll start that one tomorrow ;-) |
| 10:51 | paul | just 1 example : |
| 10:51 | owen | Well, kados, it's something to tackle along with NCIP |
| 10:51 | kados | 871: Rename OPAC CSS template 'default' |
| 10:51 | owen: right ... I'll talk to Art about it | |
| 10:52 | paul | Art ? |
| 10:52 | owen | If we're going to have a new default template for 2.4, then 871 is moot |
| 10:52 | paul | right. |
| 10:52 | so "wontfix" ? | |
| 10:52 | owen | But right now the default opac template is unusable |
| 10:52 | kados | why's that? |
| 10:52 | paul | yes, I should remove it from official releases. |
| 10:53 | kados | right ... |
| 10:53 | also: remove sample data from official release paul | |
| 10:53 | the sample data is for 1.2 Koha | |
| 10:53 | paul | that's done since 2.2.1 iirc |
| 10:53 | kados | ok ... just checking |
| 10:53 | owen | Have we replaced it with something? |
| 10:53 | kados | paul: change 871 to WONTFIX ? |
| 10:54 | paul | no owen & that's a shame I agree. |
| 10:54 | if someone has a sample & working MARC21 english DB, let me know ! | |
| 10:54 | kados | I could contribute some data I think (maybe in time for 2.2.3) |
| 10:54 | ok ... | |
| 10:54 | paul | put it in misc/sql-datas/english |
| 10:55 | kados | 612: Renewal failure gives no feedback |
| 10:55 | paul | & the user can upload it. |
| 10:55 | kados | paul: ok |
| 10:56 | paul: did you already fix 612? | |
| 10:56 | paul | no (reading it) |
| 10:57 | no, i did nothing on this. | |
| 10:58 | kados | is it interesting to you? |
| 10:58 | owen | I'm wavering on whether this is still relevant |
| 10:58 | We've managed to get the renewal checkboxes not to appear in the templates | |
| 10:58 | paul | quite a complex one to re-play. |
| 10:59 | ;-) | |
| 10:59 | kados | ok ... does that mean you'd like to fix it if it's a bug? |
| 10:59 | s/like to//; | |
| 10:59 | paul | if nobody else want it yes :-( |
| 10:59 | kados | I'm actually pretty familiar with that code |
| 11:00 | so I can take it on (leave other stuff for you to take ) ;-) | |
| 11:00 | right | |
| 11:00 | 892: data in a closed order appear differently than data before c | |
| 11:01 | paul | i'll take care of it. |
| 11:01 | kados | ok |
| 11:01 | 585: Using 'document.forms[0]' notation prevents use of other for | |
| 11:01 | owen: could you take 585? | |
| 11:02 | paul | not a fixable bug, but some coding rules. |
| 11:02 | slef | owen reported it ;) |
| 11:02 | kados | 753: Apostrophes and commas cause marc_word search to fail |
| 11:02 | paul | that are not respected (i'm a dummy in html, I agree) |
| 11:02 | kados | 753 is fixed right? |
| 11:02 | paul | I think |
| 11:02 | kados | I know it is |
| 11:03 | slef | ideally, javascript needs to be removed, but it's not a 2.2 option, is it? |
| 11:03 | paul | you change it fixed ? |
| 11:03 | slef | Is non-javascript browser support in the 2.4 roadmap? |
| 11:03 | kados | yep |
| 11:03 | (to paul) | |
| 11:03 | owen | I don't think removing javascript is an option period. |
| 11:04 | slef | If you want a fat client, that shouldn't be the web browser. |
| 11:04 | kados | slef: non-javascript support is definitely important for 2.4 |
| 11:04 | imo | |
| 11:04 | but I also think use of javascript is a 'good thing' | |
| 11:04 | for browsers that support it | |
| 11:05 | slef | as helpers, perhaps |
| 11:05 | kados | even for major functions as long as there are other ways to perform the functions |
| 11:05 | but that's a topic for another discussion | |
| 11:05 | owen | I agree |
| 11:06 | kados | owen can you handle 585 (either close it if there's nothing to fix and alert Stephen to include that recommendation in coding guideelines)? |
| 11:06 | owen | Yes |
| 11:06 | kados | I'll skip 950 ... paul still working on that I asume |
| 11:06 | 717: Quotes in MARC subfield cause blank line in addbiblio.tmpl | |
| 11:07 | anyone know if this is still a problem? | |
| 11:07 | paul | about 950 : i'm waiting for owen answer |
| 11:07 | owen | Uh oh... :) |
| 11:08 | paul | 717 : dunno |
| 11:08 | kados | I'll assign it to me and I'll find out |
| 11:08 | owen | One thing about 717 |
| 11:08 | kados | I'll skip 992 (I'm still working on it) |
| 11:08 | owen: ok | |
| 11:08 | owen | We've got a problem with #'s |
| 11:09 | kados | ok ... can you add it to the description? |
| 11:09 | owen | Sure. |
| 11:09 | kados | 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions |
| 11:09 | sorry ... we've done that one right? | |
| 11:10 | paul | already done 1 hour later |
| 11:10 | kados | 844: renewstatus subroutine should check for reserves |
| 11:10 | paul: do you like the fix? | |
| 11:10 | paul: or should it be customizable? | |
| 11:11 | paul | it's ok for me |
| 11:11 | kados | ok ... I'll skip 975 |
| 11:11 | 782: Admin interface must not require javascript | |
| 11:12 | owen: can you handle 782? | |
| 11:12 | owen | that's part of our larger javascript question, I think |
| 11:12 | I'm still on the fence, despite my comments there | |
| 11:13 | kados | ok ... so I'll put that on the list then for discussion on koha-devel |
| 11:13 | 868: OPAC MARC view doesn't appear in IE6 | |
| 11:14 | paul | i'm working on this |
| 11:14 | kados | ok ... |
| 11:14 | 879: bugs on OPAC | |
| 11:14 | paul | (unless owen want to fix it...) |
| 11:14 | kados | I'm assuming operator error here |
| 11:14 | and I'm closing it out | |
| 11:14 | owen | Paul, I can take a look |
| 11:14 | slef | kados: close as worksforme? |
| 11:14 | paul | ok, thanks. I'm not so good in css... |
| 11:14 | kados | slef: yep |
| 11:15 | 452: Payment due flags not showing up for children | |
| 11:15 | owen: so I'll assign 868 to you | |
| 11:16 | owen: ahh ... already done | |
| 11:16 | right | |
| 11:17 | ok ... let's start that then | |
| 11:17 | slef have a proposal? | |
| 11:17 | slef | Is this discussing bugs.koha.org? |
| 11:17 | kados | yep |
| 11:17 | slef | 452 looks like an enhancement, by the way |
| 11:18 | kados | slef: can you mark it thus |
| 11:18 | slef | paul: how long are you there for? |
| 11:18 | paul | i have to leave in 5-10 mn |
| 11:19 | slef | Basically, bugs.koha.org showed us some of its weak spots today. |
| 11:19 | kados | because |
| 11:19 | slef | There are also security updates out for its version of bugzilla. |
| 11:19 | kados | 1. timeouts (or general processing slowness) |
| 11:19 | 2. limits for sorting | |
| 11:19 | slef | and a whole later minor version is out too (2.16.x) if I understand it correctly |
| 11:20 | kados | ok ... so should we bug katipo to upgrade? |
| 11:20 | (it's probably just running whatever woody's got) | |
| 11:20 | slef | There's a couple of other things which irritate with bugzilla: registrations to submit bugs; inability to send email commands |
| 11:20 | kados | (so updating would require pinning, etc.) |
| 11:20 | slef | kados: depends if they're planning to move to sarge soon |
| 11:21 | kados | has anyone played with the sourceforge bug reporting system? |
| 11:21 | paul | sarge is out ? |
| 11:21 | :-D | |
| 11:21 | slef | paul: since 8 days |
| 11:21 | paul | was a joke. Even martians know this ;-) |
| 11:21 | slef | kados: yes. Normal sourceforge problems |
| 11:21 | kados | right ... |
| 11:21 | paul | like slowness... |
| 11:21 | kados | just thought I'd throw it in the mix |
| 11:22 | slef | kados: it works and probably is less of a single-failure-point than bugs.koha.org right now, but on the whole, I'd prefer to stay at katipo |
| 11:22 | kados | right |
| 11:22 | slef | do we ask katipo to upgrade bugzilla, or do we look to move to a competitor for 2.3/2.4 and just use bugzilla for 2.2? |
| 11:23 | is bugzilla mostly doing what you want and it's just me? | |
| 11:23 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 11:23 | well since this is pretty much the largest dev project I'm involved with | |
| 11:23 | slef | (My attempt to get routine buglists out of bugzilla didn't work, as you can probably tell by the lack of them ;-) ) |
| 11:23 | paul | i'll have to leave now. |
| 11:23 | kados | I'm not really clear on the options |
| 11:23 | paul | unless there's a critical bug to see immediatly |
| 11:24 | kados | paul: ok ... thanks! |
| 11:24 | slef | paul: thanks |
| 11:24 | kados | paul: nope ... we'll get the rest next time |
| 11:24 | paul: :-) | |
| 11:24 | paul | you're welcome. Read you soon |
| 11:24 | kados | slef: so what are our options for bug reporting systems these days? |
| 11:24 | I seem to recall that the one bug I reported for Fedora was running on a nice reporting system | |
| 11:25 | I guess they've got bugzilla too | |
| 11:25 | slef | kados: bugzilla, sourceforge, http://www.mantisbt.org/ (but that's python), http://www.bestpractice.com/rt/ http://www.agstools.com/bugtrack/ |
| 11:25 | Did you have to register to report the bug in Fedora? | |
| 11:26 | kados | yep |
| 11:26 | that bestpractice link isn't working for me | |
| 11:27 | slef | I think that puts people off. I don't really understand why bugzilla does that, apart from maybe spamming. |
| 11:27 | sorry | |
| 11:27 | http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ | |
| 11:27 | was typing from memory | |
| 11:27 | kados | yep |
| 11:27 | shoot .. phone brb | |
| 11:29 | slef | well, owen isn't returning anyway... |
| 11:30 | ...I guess I'll move this to koha-devel. | |
| 11:30 | kados | sounds good |
| 11:30 | thx |
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