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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 19:10 | gavin | |
| 19:10 | hi all | |
| 19:10 | rach | hi |
| 19:10 | gavin | kados: any luck with that marc data? |
| 01:57 | hdl | hi |
| 06:29 | kados | hi all |
| 06:52 | paul_away | hi joshua/kados |
| 06:53 | paul | what's new about your 2.4 features/roadmap ? |
| 06:53 | you can include me for at least 2 features : | |
| 06:53 | * managing the leader. | |
| 06:54 | should be easy, with a simple trick : i'll store the leader in a "000" MARC field (& change 000 to leader in Biblio.pm) | |
| 06:54 | + writing a plugin to fill it & do some automatic changes where needed after storing (like date...) | |
| 06:54 | * what we call in french "listes de circulation" (don't know the word in english) | |
| 06:55 | it's saying how we should distribute the item once he arrives (=who should read it) | |
| 06:55 | there are 2 kindw of "listes de circulation". start & circle. | |
| 06:55 | s/start/star/ | |
| 06:55 | the star means the doc goes back to the librarian after each reading. | |
| 06:56 | the circle means reader X gives it to reader X+1 on the list | |
| 07:05 | beeping kados ... if you have a minut could you help me for an english template. | |
| 07:05 | read here pls : | |
| 07:05 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]&selectview=small | |
| 07:06 | is the text correct & easy to understand in english. I'm afraid it can be improved. | |
| 07:06 | the 1st date (12/12/2004) is the date where the subscription began, for the 1st time | |
| 07:06 | the 2nd date (01/01/2005) is the date where the subscript has been renewed for the last time. | |
| 07:07 | (note that dates values are stupid, they are just for sample) | |
| 07:07 | thanks for your opinion. | |
| 07:22 | kados | paul: sorry ... writing an email |
| 07:22 | back now | |
| 07:22 | paul | no pb, i'm staying here for some hours ;-) |
| 07:22 | kados | I can't read that page |
| 07:23 | paul | why ? |
| 07:23 | kados | 18320,N°18321,N°18322,N°18323 |
| 07:23 | that's what it looks like | |
| 07:23 | paul | with firefox ? |
| 07:23 | kados | yep |
| 07:24 | paul | isit better now ? |
| 07:24 | (note you may need to change language to english) | |
| 07:24 | (as it's french by default iirc) | |
| 07:24 | kados | ahh ;-) |
| 07:25 | Subscription information for Test logiciel en pratique | |
| 07:25 | paul | that's it |
| 07:25 | kados | t began on 12/12/2004 and is issued every for 1 weeks 12 months |
| 07:25 | Last renewal of subscription was 01/01/2005 | |
| 07:25 | This subscription is now ended. The last issue was recieved on 01/01/2006 | |
| 07:25 | Destinataire : CDI | |
| 07:26 | Recieved issues | |
| 07:26 | paul | (ignore "destinataire CDI", it has been entered in notes by EMN) |
| 07:26 | kados | 18320 Ã 18344 |
| 07:26 | (ok) | |
| 07:26 | it's understandable in English | |
| 07:27 | paul | understandable OK. But is there a better way to write it ? |
| 07:27 | kados | (every ?) |
| 07:27 | hmmm | |
| 07:27 | maybe as a table? | |
| 07:27 | s/every for/every/ | |
| 07:28 | paul | every should be "every week/month/quarter/day" (periodicity) |
| 07:28 | looking for the bug... | |
| 07:28 | kados | ahh |
| 07:28 | also not sure about 1 weeks 12 months | |
| 07:29 | does that mean 53 weeks? | |
| 07:29 | paul | no, it's for testing purposes |
| 07:29 | should be | |
| 07:29 | kados | or every week for 12 months? |
| 07:29 | paul | X weeks XOR Y months XOR Z issues |
| 07:29 | kados | ok |
| 07:30 | paul | ok "every..." fixed |
| 07:30 | kados | better |
| 07:30 | so I'm still not clear on the 1 weeks 12 months | |
| 07:31 | does it mean 53 weeks? | |
| 07:31 | paul | when you create a subscription, you must write how long it lasts. |
| 07:31 | & it can be entered as X weeks or Y months or Z issues. | |
| 07:31 | for example, you subscribe for 52 weeks. | |
| 07:31 | of 4 issues | |
| 07:32 | kados | so in this example you subscribed to 365 issues for 53 weeks |
| 07:32 | ? | |
| 07:32 | paul | (in public libraries, it's usually 1 year. But some specific serials for academic/research you need "strange" durations) |
| 07:32 | kados | (right) |
| 07:32 | paul | in fact, 1 week + 12 months means nothing in subscriptions. |
| 07:33 | i think Koha will only take the 1st value entered (1 week in this sample) | |
| 07:33 | kados | hmmm, that might be confusing |
| 07:33 | paul | you should NOT enter both values. |
| 07:33 | (in librarian interface) | |
| 07:33 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]&subscriptionid=1 | |
| 07:33 | (test/test should work) | |
| 07:34 | subscription length : | |
| 07:34 | Saisir 1 des champs suivants : | |
| 07:34 | "enter one of the following" | |
| 07:34 | kados | right |
| 07:35 | so this is a new feature? (it looks similar to the one you demoed to NPL some months back) | |
| 07:35 | paul | no, not a new feature. |
| 07:35 | it's the one i've demoed when in Athens | |
| 07:35 | kados | ok |
| 07:36 | paul | just that i've improved some opac pages. |
| 07:36 | (with "complete view" for example) | |
| 07:36 | kados | paul: would you like to see 5 million marc records searched in under one second? |
| 07:36 | paul | & a new systempref. |
| 07:36 | of course ! | |
| 07:36 | kados | http://liblime.com/zap/advanced.html |
| 07:36 | click on "LibLime" | |
| 07:36 | paul | with zebra ? |
| 07:36 | kados | yep |
| 07:37 | paul | searching "joshua" |
| 07:37 | kados | hehe |
| 07:37 | paul | 1st answer : terrorism ! |
| 07:37 | 1nd answer : the wrong man !!! | |
| 07:37 | kados | hehe |
| 07:37 | paul | (2nd sorry) |
| 07:37 | kados | hehe |
| 07:37 | paul | stupid search tool ;-) |
| 07:37 | kados | very funny coincidence ;-) |
| 07:37 | paul | (on phone) |
| 07:50 | kados, i'm back | |
| 07:51 | kados, a question : when I surf with ff on bureau.paulpoulain.com I often get a page without stylesheet. | |
| 07:52 | this never happend on another server with ff | |
| 07:52 | neither with another browser on bureau.paulpoulain.com | |
| 07:52 | any idea why this happends ? | |
| 07:58 | kados | hmmm |
| 07:58 | how are you declaring the stylesheet? | |
| 07:59 | paul | what's strange, is that i SOMETIMES loose the stylesheet |
| 07:59 | kados | <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="homepage.css" /> |
| 07:59 | so does it know where to find the homepage.css if not / is present? | |
| 07:59 | paul | it I reload the page, 2 or 3 or more times, the stylesheet appears again. |
| 07:59 | ??? | |
| 08:00 | stylesheet is | |
| 08:00 | <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/css/en/includes/opac.css" /> | |
| 08:00 | & it happend with other webservices i have on bureau.paulpoulain.com | |
| 08:00 | kados | hmmm ... which page are you looking at? (I was looking at just plain old bureau.paulpoulain.com |
| 08:01 | paul | koha or kartouche, or dolibarr, my tool to follow my customers |
| 08:01 | kados | strange |
| 08:01 | have you validated the css? | |
| 08:01 | paul | no |
| 08:02 | but everything worked fine until recently | |
| 08:02 | in every website i host on bureau.paulpoulain.com | |
| 08:02 | kados | strange |
| 08:02 | maybe a ff bug? | |
| 08:02 | paul | & it seems that it has something to do with the speed I surf |
| 08:03 | if I click too quickly, i loost the stylesheet. | |
| 08:03 | if i reload after 1mn or more, it's back. | |
| 08:03 | very very strange... | |
| 08:04 | back to ZAP! | |
| 08:04 | zebra is compiled on my computer. i'll try to give it a test this week | |
| 08:04 | kados | great ... you may have trouble with unimarc |
| 08:05 | (I don't see a default for unimarc) | |
| 08:05 | paul | if it's used for search, then i think almost all marc_*_table tables will disappear.. |
| 08:05 | kados | but if you send me some unimarc records i can try to find it |
| 08:05 | paul | because there's something that I also plan to do : |
| 08:05 | kados | paul: maybe that's not a bad idea? |
| 08:05 | (it would solve the leader problem ;-)) | |
| 08:05 | paul | for instance MARCgetrecord reads all lines in marc_subfield_table |
| 08:06 | and rebuilds the MARC record. | |
| 08:06 | but we could store the marc record in raw format, in biblio or marc_biblio table. | |
| 08:06 | kados | right ... maybe it's not as good of a marc record? (if no leader, etc) |
| 08:06 | exactly | |
| 08:06 | paul | the leader problem remaining only in MARC editor. |
| 08:06 | as well as other problems. | |
| 08:07 | kados | IMO we need a new Z39.50 client with integrated MARC editor |
| 08:07 | paul | about some unimarc datas, i can send you EMN database (13 000 biblios) |
| 08:07 | kados | so records can be retrieved, stored temporarily in memory (of the machine cataloger is on), edited, and saved to a file on the server |
| 08:07 | paul | any idea on z3950 client with integrated MARC editor ? |
| 08:07 | kados | EMN database would be great |
| 08:08 | have you seen ITS.MARC? | |
| 08:08 | paul | no |
| 08:08 | kados | or Bookwhere? |
| 08:08 | I have a meeting with NPL catalogers on Wed morning | |
| 08:08 | to discuss 'an optimal tool' for cataloging | |
| 08:09 | OCLC also has some nice MARC tools | |
| 08:09 | the basic idea is to avoid all page reloads | |
| 08:09 | paul | my goal is to keep Koha as easy to setup as possible. even for libraries that want 'simple unimarc' |
| 08:09 | kados | sure ... well here's a thought |
| 08:09 | _if_ we get rid of marc_*_table | |
| 08:10 | we can have two flavours of Koha | |
| 08:10 | (like now) | |
| 08:10 | one with Zebra and MARC | |
| 08:10 | one with old Koha tables | |
| 08:10 | the one with old Koha tables is easy to setup and use | |
| 08:10 | the one with Zebra and MARC probably means we need support from Paul, LibLime, MJ or Katipo | |
| 08:10 | (unless very techie librarians) | |
| 08:11 | I'm afraid that we'll worry too much about 'difficulty of setup' and sacrifice a better product | |
| 08:12 | paul | maybe it's time to start a poll on mailing lists ? |
| 08:12 | kados | could be ... I need to send a couple of emails today |
| 08:12 | but I was waiting to finish another feature | |
| 08:13 | 'opensearch' for Koha | |
| 08:13 | paul | what is opensearch ? |
| 08:13 | kados | opensearch.a9.com |
| 08:13 | setup your 'columns' by searching for 'library' | |
| 08:13 | you will find PINES and Nelsonville and LibLime (and a couple of other libraries also) | |
| 08:13 | then you can do a search on all of those databases | |
| 08:14 | and return the results in columns | |
| 08:16 | paul | how does it work ? |
| 08:16 | kados | it's based on RSS and(so XML) |
| 08:16 | the Koha client searches via Z39.50 | |
| 08:17 | and returns valid RSS for the search | |
| 08:36 | paul | EMN.iso2709 sent to jmf at liblime.com (1.8MB, gzipped) |
| 09:35 | kados | morning owen |
| 09:35 | owen | Hi |
| 09:35 | paul | hi owen |
| 09:36 | kados : i'm reading "embedding the zebra" doc | |
| 09:36 | kados | paul: great! ... that's probably a good plan |
| 09:36 | paul | it should be very easy to query zebra . |
| 09:36 | from Koha API. | |
| 09:36 | kados | yep |
| 09:37 | the tricky bit will be auto-updates to index | |
| 09:37 | paul | nope |
| 09:37 | kados | we'll need to use record ids |
| 09:37 | (maybe bibids) | |
| 09:37 | paul | yes & we already have biblionumber in 090$a ! |
| 09:37 | kados | ohh ... good point! |
| 09:38 | paul | ;-) |
| 09:39 | kados | owen: how does NPL handle outgoing ILL (asside from MORE)? |
| 09:40 | (acually, how do we handle MORE even?) | |
| 09:40 | owen | I'm not really sure. |
| 09:40 | ...about non-MORE ILLs, that is. | |
| 09:40 | kados | I'm wondering whether we create a borrower for the institution |
| 09:41 | koha doesn't really have any built-in ILL features that I know of | |
| 09:41 | owen | For MORE requests, each branch has a MORE-specific account |
| 09:41 | kados | paul: how do your libraries handle this? |
| 09:41 | owen | So items are recorded as being checked out to MORE, but the specific institution isn't recorded in Koha. |
| 09:41 | kados | ILL = Inter Library Loan |
| 09:41 | right | |
| 09:42 | boy, that seems like a great way to lose track of where items are | |
| 09:42 | owen | Yeah, the disadvantage is that you have to cross-reference the titles on the MORE account to the record of what items are still on loan to you in the MORE system |
| 09:43 | kados | we need some ILL categories with institutions and ability to record borrower ids even |
| 09:43 | tha's probably going to be a requirement before NCIP will work | |
| 09:44 | owen | I'm not sure I know what you mean |
| 09:44 | paul | kados : my libraries uses a borrower category & borrower card & issuing rules specific for ILL |
| 09:44 | nothing more. | |
| 09:44 | kados | yay ... Fedora Core 4 is released! |
| 09:44 | paul: I see | |
| 09:45 | owen: well we should be able to add institutions as 'borrowers' and specify borrowers of those institutions as having an item on loan | |
| 09:45 | owen: or reserve, etc. | |
| 09:46 | paul | there is a standard for ILL. |
| 09:46 | like iso2709 | |
| 09:46 | kados | right |
| 09:46 | but NCIP goes beyond this | |
| 09:46 | paul | but Koha does nothing about it. |
| 09:46 | kados | right |
| 09:46 | paul | will be for 4.0 ;-) |
| 09:46 | kados | hehe |
| 09:46 | owen | The current MORE mailing label list consists of 376 institutions, just to give you an idea of how many we're talking about. |
| 09:47 | kados | not too bad |
| 09:47 | we dont' really need any information on anyone that doesn't have one of our items out | |
| 09:47 | (in fact, we don't need to keep track of anyone really) | |
| 09:47 | (but it might be nice to have a borrower id or something) | |
| 11:06 | owen | hi shaun. Long time no see. |
| 11:14 | shaun | hi owen (signed in and went off) |
| 11:16 | i've got my proposal into school now, but the other librarians were disappointed with the lack of figures, so I need to get in touch with a professional support agency before we go any further | |
| 11:17 | kados | shaun: professional support agency? |
| 11:18 | shaun | kados gets excited ;) |
| 11:18 | do you have any base in the UK? | |
| 11:18 | kados | shaun: hehe yep |
| 11:18 | shaun: I could handle a UK account | |
| 11:19 | shaun: but you should talk to MJ first | |
| 11:19 | shaun | yep, I was hoping to talk to him |
| 11:19 | would you ssh? I suppose it would cost far too much for you to get over here | |
| 11:20 | kados | yea ... I'd mail the configured server ... and ssh for configuration and updates, etc. |
| 11:20 | I'd also probably be able to setup a toll-free line for UK if I had one account there | |
| 11:20 | owen | Oooh, would it be shiny and green? |
| 11:21 | shaun | I think they would feel safer with somebody actually based in the UK, so I will get in touch with MJ/slef first |
| 11:21 | kados | hehe ... no ... we're not crazy like katipo ;-) |
| 11:21 | right ... sounds good | |
| 11:21 | let me know if you need a proposal | |
| 11:23 | shaun | I have written up a proposal for everything except the support costings, so that's where you/MJ have to come in |
| 11:24 | have you supported schools before? | |
| 11:24 | kados | nope ... just public libraries |
| 11:25 | but we're negociating contracts with like 4 schools at the moment (not sure if they will actually sign or not ... ) | |
| 11:25 | shaun | MJ said that he would be cautious over contracts with schools |
| 11:25 | kados | so when you say you've written up a proposal for everything except the support costings -- what all does that entail? I wasn't aware of anything _but_ support costings ;-) |
| 11:28 | shaun | everything technical, a thorough explanation of the free software model, "who are they and why should we trust them?", what to expect from 2.4, how the thing works |
| 11:28 | kados | ahh ... so mainly an 'apology' for Koha and open source ... not really a proposal to do work for them |
| 11:28 | (LibLime's proposals include several sections on this ;-)) | |
| 11:28 | shaun | that's the main part of it, yeh |
| 11:29 | kados | shaun: would you consider publishing this report on kohadocs.org? |
| 11:31 | shaun | it's *very* specific to the school, as it compares the old library system and the new proprietary thing they were evaluating as well |
| 11:32 | and it's also very much an introduction to the true concept of open source |
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