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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:27 | kados | hi all |
| 11:27 | paul | hi kados |
| 11:27 | kados | paul RFID is english too :-) |
| 11:27 | someday we might be able to afford it | |
| 11:28 | that's great! | |
| 11:29 | paul | just to be sure : who should I ask for this travel ? Stephen ? |
| 11:29 | kados | it'll be nice to finally meet in real person :-) |
| 11:29 | paul | yep |
| 11:29 | kados | I think Stephen would be the one yes |
| 11:29 | But I'm sure he will encourage it | |
| 11:29 | paul | ok, i'll send him a mail. |
| 11:29 | i'm not afraid ;-) | |
| 11:30 | we will probably be 3. | |
| 11:30 | me, 1 librarian, 1 developper | |
| 11:30 | Ouest Provence "gives" 2 dev (full time) & 1 project leader (half time) to their migration project | |
| 11:31 | kados | paul where is koha 2.2 on sourceforge? (I don't see it on the main page) |
| 11:31 | paul | the link was in the mail : |
| 11:31 | kados | wow two more developers that's great |
| 11:32 | paul | http://sourceforge.net/project[…]release_id=283087 |
| 11:32 | kados | why not on the main page? |
| 11:32 | paul | note they will work on MIGRATION first. |
| 11:32 | kados | makes sense |
| 11:34 | paul | should be here, i don't know why it is not... |
| 11:34 | kados | should I bug it? |
| 11:34 | paul | at least ask on koha-dev if anybody has an idea ? |
| 11:54 | kados | paul ... quick question |
| 11:54 | I just deleted an install of Koha on a test machine and reinstalled | |
| 11:54 | I get this error: | |
| 11:54 | 0ERROR 1062 at line 1: Duplicate entry '%-Koha-kohaadmin' for key 1 | |
| 11:54 | my fault for not deleting | |
| 11:54 | is it a fatal error? | |
| 11:55 | paul | not a problem |
| 11:55 | kados | ok thanks |
| 11:55 | paul | it's mysql security |
| 11:55 | just 1 thing : | |
| 11:55 | the user in the reinstall has NOT been stored. | |
| 11:55 | you have the user of the 1st install | |
| 11:55 | (i mean for the password) | |
| 11:55 | kados | ok same password :-) |
| 11:57 | two minor installation bugs sofar | |
| 11:57 | 860, 861 | |
| 11:58 | paul what is the select sql directory feature? | |
| 11:58 | paul | phone ring |
| 11:58 | kados | who's there (sorry, bad american joke :0) |
| 12:00 | paul | it was Jacqueline ;-) |
| 12:00 | it's a way to import sql datas during install stage | |
| 12:00 | for example, in french you have : | |
| 12:00 | * a lot of pre defined frameworks (6 iirc) | |
| 12:01 | for various type of material | |
| 12:01 | i'll add soon : | |
| 12:01 | * authorities for the 215-210 editor finder for christian editors | |
| 12:01 | * subjects from EMN | |
| 12:01 | ... | |
| 12:02 | kados | I see ... neat |
| 12:02 | I'm thinking of writing a short script to make symlinks to a Koha CVS repository for right after a default install ... | |
| 12:25 | jmlongo | hi there ! |
| 12:25 | paul | hello |
| 12:26 | jmlongo | congrats on the 2.2RC1 release :) |
| 12:26 | paul | thanks |
| 12:27 | jmlongo | I have it working on two libraries simultaneously... and I have a little problem with issues... |
| 12:28 | every time I issue a book... I get a message asking me to 'confirm' it | |
| 12:28 | paul | without other informations ? |
| 12:28 | this happends when there is a reason to ask for a confirm | |
| 12:29 | (it's empty when you issue a book that is requested. see previous mail on ml today) | |
| 12:29 | (bug on Koha 2.2.0RC1) | |
| 12:29 | jmlongo | it says Too many issues (already issued / max : g 0 / 0) |
| 12:30 | it's like the max number of issues for every book is set to 0 | |
| 12:30 | paul | ah, ok, i undersand : |
| 12:30 | you MUST fill the issuingrules table | |
| 12:31 | it's a new table, that replace previous ones | |
| 12:31 | it's empty | |
| 12:31 | jmlongo | but in my issuing rules table is set to 7,4 |
| 12:32 | paul | i've the solution too : |
| 12:32 | it's the "g" that tells me ;-) | |
| 12:32 | jmlongo | for each itemtype and each user's category |
| 12:32 | paul | yes, but the "g" means |
| 12:32 | that for a given borrower category, but * itemtype, you've let the 0 value | |
| 12:32 | jmlongo | great! :) |
| 12:33 | paul | so, the "children" can issue "10 book", but "0 anything" |
| 12:35 | jmlongo | sometimes is "g".. but sometimes it's a "c" |
| 12:36 | paul | the c is for "any borrowertype" |
| 12:36 | so you've say "any one can issue up to 0 books" | |
| 12:36 | jmlongo | ahhh.... so I have to fill in the "*" columns and rows! |
| 12:36 | paul | yep |
| 12:36 | needs some doc on release notes... | |
| 12:38 | jmlongo | ok.. I'll try it ... |
| 12:40 | and... of course... the message is gone! | |
| 12:40 | thank you very much! | |
| 12:42 | by the way... I'm half way translating the intranet to spanish... | |
| 12:42 | paul | great ! |
| 12:42 | jmlongo | but I'm leaving all the unimarc stuff untranslated |
| 12:42 | partly because it's en french :) | |
| 12:43 | paul | you're right |
| 12:43 | you can delete all thos strings during tmpl_process3.pl update | |
| 12:43 | just exclude : | |
| 12:43 | jmlongo | would it still be usefull? |
| 12:43 | paul | .*unimarc_.* files |
| 12:43 | it's useful, but only for UNIMARC. | |
| 12:44 | ./tmpl_process3.pl update -i xxx -o xxx -s xxx -x .*unimarc_field_1.* | |
| 12:44 | and the french strings are gone ;-) | |
| 12:44 | jmlongo | great! |
| 13:48 | paul | chris ? |
| 14:07 | jmlongo | Paul... still there? |
| 14:07 | paul | yes |
| 14:07 | (but it's 6PM in France) | |
| 14:07 | (so i'll leave soon) | |
| 14:07 | kados | paul are permissions fixed in 2.2 yet? |
| 14:07 | paul | not sure kados |
| 14:08 | jmlongo | I've one more question.... (I'lll make it fast!) |
| 14:08 | paul | no modifs in permissions |
| 14:08 | jmlongo | where can I set the expiry date for members? |
| 14:08 | paul | (except a few bugs in what is required to acces a page) |
| 14:08 | jmlongo : i don't know | |
| 14:09 | jmlongo | ouch! :) |
| 14:10 | slef | hi |
| 14:11 | paul: can we have RCs in another category to avoid hiding full releases, please? | |
| 14:11 | paul | why do you think it's required ? |
| 14:12 | it's "almost stable" and it's written everywhere (in version name, in release notes, during install) | |
| 14:15 | kados | slef I just emailed the list about this (koha-devel) |
| 14:15 | SF is a bit slow today though :-/ | |
| 14:30 | slef | because 2.0 is supposed to be available at least until 2.2's release and probably a little bit after |
| 14:31 | having 2.2 prereleases hiding 2.0 releases is not nice | |
| 14:31 | I don't know how stable 2.2 is yet, as I've not tested it myself yet (been busy on 2.0 and other work) and the bug reports suggests it's not | |
| 14:32 | paul | it's stable slef, it's not bugfree |
| 14:35 | slef | Do all 11 major bugs have good reason for not being fixed yet? |
| 14:35 | paul | 11 major bugs ? |
| 14:38 | mmm... some of them where already here in 2.0.0 | |
| 14:38 | indradg | hi all |
| 14:38 | paul | others have to be confirmed &/or explained a little bit more |
| 14:38 | i have to leave | |
| 14:38 | slef | yes, 2.0.0 released with too many major bugs |
| 14:39 | I've got it down to 1 critical (waiting more info), and 2 majors (1 wontfix, 1 awaiting more info, 1 needs help) but it's difficult to squash big bugs during a stable series | |
| 14:39 | hi indradg | |
| 14:39 | indradg | hi MJ |
| 14:44 | slef | kados: sorry, I think you need to rethink what stability is. New features don't necessarily affect stability. |
| 15:53 | rach | hi |
| 15:57 | slef | hi rach |
| 16:08 | rach | hey slef, how's life in the big smoke treating you? |
| 16:13 | slef | rach: you been reading my blog? |
| 16:14 | rach | nope - but happy to :-) |
| 16:14 | slef | I'm confused by the comment "the big smoke" then |
| 16:14 | rach | where is your blog? |
| 16:14 | ah - you're in london aren't you? | |
| 16:14 | slef | No, 120 miles north |
| 16:15 | fens | |
| 16:15 | midlands start about 40 miles west or south-west | |
| 16:15 | well, you know the rough shape of England? | |
| 16:15 | rach | yup |
| 16:15 | and I was in birmingham last year | |
| 16:15 | slef | as you go up the east coast from London, there's a large round bulge |
| 16:16 | indradg | hi all... perhaps a way-out off-topic question to ask here... but have any of u used DSpace from MIT Libararies and HP? |
| 16:16 | slef | I'm roughly on the southern point of the notch where the top of it joins the rest of England |
| 16:16 | 120 miles east of Birmingham | |
| 16:17 | Nearest cities are Peterborough (30 miles WSW), Cambridge (35 miles S) and Norwich (45 miles E) | |
| 16:18 | rach | so have you been having fires? |
| 16:18 | cause that doesn't sound smokey :-) | |
| 16:19 | slef | nah, was at a gig last night and nearly floored by cigarette smoke |
| 16:19 | chris | not me indradg |
| 16:20 | indradg | chris: went to have a look-see on a DSpace implementation today at an University nearby... HP tech staff was making a merry mess of it ;) |
| 16:23 | chris | ahh its a digital library .. like greenstone |
| 16:23 | indradg | chris: http://dspace.org/faqs/index.html#hardware |
| 16:24 | chris | cripes .. thems some fairly steep requirements |
| 16:24 | indradg | the aforementioned University is spending nearly USD 250,000 in Indian rupees |
| 16:24 | chris | wow |
| 16:24 | indradg | for the whole jing-bang! |
| 16:24 | chris | i wonder if they have heard of greenstone? |
| 16:25 | indradg | ohh... they have indeed |
| 16:25 | chris | cool :) i see its in use in india |
| 16:26 | indradg | i initially got all muddled up when I tried to look into GSDL code :P |
| 16:26 | then slowly found my feet :) | |
| 16:26 | chris | yeah its kinda scary in there :) |
| 16:26 | templating is quite tricky | |
| 16:28 | indradg | recently got into an argument with someone here... why Koha why not greenstone? |
| 16:28 | chris | ahh they didnt realise they are 2 different tools, for 2 different problems? |
| 16:29 | indradg | chris: this was the chief librarian of the university which is doing the DSpace implementation ;-) |
| 16:30 | si | always useful to ask a digital library proponent if they have any concept of circulation in their system |
| 16:30 | chances are they'll look at you like you're mental | |
| 16:30 | indradg | ROFL |
| 16:31 | chris | koha + greenstone .. now that would be pretty cool |
| 16:32 | indradg | yeah u bet :) |
| 16:37 | chris | id just like to not lose to aussie :) |
| 16:38 | indradg | dunno if this is being done elsewhere... but at my university... I have put together stuff like a CD image server (on-demand loading using apache, autofs and loopback) and linked to electronic content thru Koha... plus stuff like Streaming Media servers (delivering pre-recorded lectures) URLs exposed thru MARC URL tags |
| 16:38 | chris | hmmm |
| 16:39 | nope i dont htink ive heard of anyone else doing that ... some screenshots or a url would be great .. rach could maybe do a little news item on it for koha.org | |
| 16:39 | indradg | ok |
| 16:39 | rach | yeah would be great |
| 16:40 | indradg | rach: thats how I was "push"ed in templating biz ;-) |
| 16:41 | we even wrote a libbonobo component calling on gstreamer that could be embedded in mozilla built with gtk2 as the default widget set | |
| 16:42 | rach | it's all just words to me, but sounds good :-) |
| 16:44 | indradg | simple english -> embedded a native streaming or otherwise media player into mozilla.. so like the user clicks the URL link... new window pops up and it like "hey presto!" |
| 16:44 | rach | ah now that I understand :-) |
| 16:45 | and it really does sound good :-) | |
| 17:08 | slef | indradg: didn't plugger already do that? |
| 17:08 | and without gnome's overhead | |
| 17:08 | indradg | slef: it does! we wanted to show off ;-P |
| 17:16 | gnome just happens to be the primary platform at my university | |
| 17:30 | chris: I am wondering that using a setup like I have at my installation (the CD image server, Media server etc) and using the "Virtual BookShelves" we can create "proxy" collections like a Digital Library... wat do u think? | |
| 17:31 | chris | hmm yep i reckon you could |
| 18:40 | slef | rach: http://uk2.multimap.com/client[…]000&scale=4000000 |
| 18:40 | forgot I had that bookmarked | |
| 19:33 | rach | ah cool thanks |
| 19:33 | that is a pretty cool map system | |
| 19:36 | slef | I prefer streetmap.co.uk, but I had multimap bookmarked |
| 19:38 | rach | so is your town near the sea?, or more on the river |
| 19:39 | ah I see it is not really on the sea | |
| 19:48 | slef | on the river, about 5 miles or so inland at the closest point |
| 19:48 | it's a port town... I can see some of the docks from the house | |
| 22:49 | Have to love imdb reviews: "Happy Gilmore is unusual because it is one of the few bad films I've actually sat through until the end. I am unreliably informed that the US dropped copies of the DVD on Falluja to destroy the spirit of the rebels there." | |
| 05:49 | Genji | hiya. i just invented the idea of using object orientated virtual shelves. |
| 05:50 | at least, for koha. gets done in libraries all the time. Section, bookshelf, subject type of thing. | |
| 05:53 | Thinking that it comes from nested lists... Or prehaps its easier to create a new table, where theres two fields, parentshelf and childshelf. of course, there has to be , first entry, the mainshelf.. or the superparent or something... that has a list of all the first level shelves. | |
| 05:57 | hmm.. challenge is implementing this in with the current virtual shelve system... including permissions.... Prehaps i have this type of structure only available to the main shelf list. | |
| 09:35 | hey paul! | |
| 09:35 | im alive here. | |
| 09:35 | you | |
| 09:35 | ? | |
| 09:36 | paul | hello |
| 09:36 | i'm alive too. | |
| 09:36 | i'm not sure to undestand well your virtual shefves suggestion... | |
| 09:36 | Genji | ack.. yahoo email server's not resolving. |
| 09:36 | paul | (seems very exciting to you, however ;-) ) |
| 09:37 | Genji | okay, in my library, i have sections. main hall, meditation room. |
| 09:38 | paul | they are logic sections of physical ? |
| 09:38 | Genji | within those sections are sections... main hall.theosophy main hall.general meditation room.theosophy meditation room.general meditation room.personal subjects ... and within those, you have more branches. |
| 09:39 | the point of it is, its like navigating a tree, rather than having a huge list of virtual shelves. | |
| 09:39 | paul | right. |
| 09:40 | Genji | make take time to get somewhere.. but it would be entirely easier with a libary with LOTS of virtual shelves. |
| 09:43 | ah.. so the real problem, is C4::Catalogue::Branches needs to be moved somewhere? | |
| 09:44 | paul | yes. And it probably already exist |
| 09:44 | do a grep -R "Branches" * | |
| 09:45 | C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches { | |
| 09:51 | Genji | router dropped. |
| 09:51 | hmm... did a search with windows.. couldn't find C4::Catalog::Branches. weird. | |
| 09:52 | know of a good windows file search tool? | |
| 09:53 | OHHHH.. found a grep for windows.. how do you search for "Branches" again? | |
| 09:54 | alive, paul? | |
| 10:18 | wow, ive done alot a bugs today. | |
| 10:19 | paul | i'm back |
| 10:19 | about Branches : | |
| 10:19 | C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches { | |
| 10:19 | (with b, not B) | |
| 10:19 | grep -R "Branches" * | |
| 10:22 | i'll commit immediatly all your bug reports into Koha. | |
| 10:23 | are you sure for bnotes => notes ? | |
| 10:23 | because we had a problem with notes : it's defined in Biblio & biblioitems | |
| 10:24 | so we had to find a trick to identify them | |
| 10:24 | the trick was to use bnote when speaking of biblioitems notes | |
| 10:24 | and notes when speaking of biblio notes | |
| 10:27 | Genji | im sure, cause they are always referenced with $biblio->{'notes'} and $biblioitems->{'notes'}.. they don't seem to ever go into a variable $notes. |
| 10:28 | paul | you tested this ? |
| 10:28 | i'll ask slef, to have it's opinion, as he is the dev who played with notes & bnotes. | |
| 10:29 | Genji | read the code, and changed my files, did some acquisitions... and looked at results. all good. |
| 10:30 | paul | biblio.notes & biblioitems.notes were both filled ? |
| 10:30 | Genji | Yup. |
| 10:30 | paul | with different values ? |
| 10:30 | Genji | yup |
| 10:30 | paul | ok, i ask slef just for confirm |
| 10:31 | Genji | saveitems.pl needs a new use line. use C4::Acquisition.pm; |
| 10:31 | paul | for sub branches ? |
| 10:32 | Genji | whoa.. hold on... |
| 10:32 | i saved... yet i got no error message... and C4::Acquisition nore c4::catalogue were use'd.. prehaps C4::Biblio loads C4::Acqusition? | |
| 10:33 | Ahhh.. not saveitem... but additem-nomarc... | |
| 10:34 | additem-nomarc.pl definately needs 'use c4::acquisitions.pm' to get branches. | |
| 10:35 | err.. C4::Acquisition.pm | |
| 10:35 | paul | yes. I fix it. |
| 10:36 | so, it's needed in saveitem.pl, additem-nomarc.pl and somewhere else ? | |
| 10:36 | Genji | not needed in saveitem.pl. |
| 10:36 | Im thinking its also needed in systempreferences -> branch add/delete/edit.... | |
| 10:36 | paul | ok, just in additem-nomarc.pl so. |
| 10:36 | Genji | but haven't actually tested. |
| 10:37 | paul | ??? works fine for me |
| 10:38 | Genji | cool then. slef is on the koha list? |
| 10:38 | paul | yes, i think |
| 10:38 | Genji | whats his full name? |
| 10:39 | oh.. i c. | |
| 10:39 | paul | i c ? |
| 10:39 | it's MJ Ray | |
| 10:39 | Genji | yup, he'll get my full bnote patch message.. cool. |
| 10:40 | im also creating a IE compatable template (en) as i find the layout problems. | |
| 10:41 | paul | for OPAC or librarian interface ? |
| 10:41 | Genji | intranet. |
| 10:41 | paul | you modify the default template or create a new one ? |
| 10:41 | Genji | modify.. inside a new directory named IE. |
| 10:42 | paul | ok, i'll see if it works under mozilla/Firefox/Opera... |
| 10:42 | Genji | cool. ummmm... |
| 10:45 | http://222-152-211-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz | |
| 10:45 | paul | login/pass ? |
| 10:46 | Genji | pages to look at - catalog-home and acquisitions-additem-nomarc. |
| 10:46 | koha/koha | |
| 10:47 | its only a test database, so feel free to add test items. | |
| 10:47 | paul | (remember this chat is logged, so your login/pass are now public) |
| 10:48 | Genji | "Its only a test database" .... as in ill get a proper login/pass done after it goes production. |
| 10:49 | besides, thats the default koha password anyway.. one would need to be a newbie to leave the default password on any production software. | |
| 10:51 | now, time to look into creating that object orientated virtual shelf tree..... | |
| 10:53 | comments? | |
| 10:53 | paul | on what ? |
| 10:54 | Genji | eh, the compablity of the IE template with IE, and Opera? all i did was add a table that encompassed the two sections of the page. <td>'s really. |
| 10:55 | paul | but tables are bad. |
| 10:56 | that's why i dropped them almost everywhere (except when need to present a table of datas) | |
| 10:56 | Genji | tables are bad? |
| 10:56 | why are tables bad/ | |
| 10:56 | ? | |
| 10:56 | paul | they are poor HTML. with css they should be useless |
| 10:56 | i've many links on this,but in french ;-) | |
| 10:56 | (www.openweb.eu.org at first, in french despite the name) | |
| 10:57 | Genji | okay... but the default template is not ccs, so catalog spreads out, making you maximise the whole page to use it, ummm... you have used the default template with ie, yourself? |
| 10:59 | paul | having no windows, i would have some difficulties to test IE ;-) |
| 10:59 | but ... i realize it's 3AM for you ? don't you never sleep ? | |
| 10:59 | (easy, it's 3PM for me !) | |
| 10:59 | Genji | right... hey, im hyped on pepsi! |
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