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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:44 | owen | indradg, are you around? |
| 12:45 | indradg | owen: hi |
| 12:45 | owen | Joshua asked me for help in writing a templating guide, but haven't gotten around to it. |
| 12:46 | indradg | ok |
| 12:46 | owen | Did you have some ideas? It sounded like you were interested in the topic. |
| 12:47 | indradg | yes I was... simply reason... ppl (read lib) here think that the default themes and templates are all that can be |
| 12:47 | I encountered 2 cases where things werent arranged like their current proprietory soln... so they simply wrote off Koha for that | |
| 12:48 | owen | So the best templating guide would be one that concentrated on the HTML aspect rather than Perl + HTML |
| 12:48 | indradg | right! my idea too |
| 12:49 | these ppl aren't developers (perl hackers) but some of them maintain web pages so familiar with HTML | |
| 12:49 | and Dreamweaver | |
| 12:49 | ;-) | |
| 12:49 | owen | A guide would probably have to start with a description of HTML::Template basics, like TMPL_VAR and TMPL_LOOP |
| 12:50 | Anyone who tries to use Dreamweaver on a tmpl file is in for trouble! | |
| 12:50 | indradg | yeah :P |
| 12:51 | owen | I have a talk recently to a group of librarians on the subject of standards in web development and hardly any of them knew HTML. |
| 12:52 | indradg | out here in india -- nearly all graduates do a "computer course" in which basic HTML is de-rigour |
| 12:52 | owen | I think that's the case with American library schools right now, but not in the past, of course. And many of these people never went to library school. |
| 12:54 | indradg | I was thinking that in the HOWTO to include a step-by-step example of modifying the tmpl files... most ppl are looking for example code to copy and try their own combinations on that |
| 12:58 | owen | The hardest part of making changes to an existing template is understanding the structure of the existing one. The CSS-based templates will be even more difficult for folks who aren't used to that kind of markup. |
| 13:11 | I've created a heading on the wiki for a templating manual. | |
| 13:11 | There's nothing there yet, though: http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]=TemplatingManaul | |
| 13:12 | indradg | gee thanks! I will start on the first structure this weekend |
| 13:13 | right now busy on a few projects nearing closure | |
| 13:14 | or u can add some of ur thoughts and then maybe we both can keep adding to it | |
| 13:14 | owen | That sounds good. |
| 13:45 | paul, if you're around I have a question for you | |
| 14:15 | Hi essemm | |
| 14:16 | essemm | owen: hi |
| 15:28 | indradg | rach: hi |
| 16:05 | rach | hi |
| 18:32 | kados | owen this problem is only with 2.2 right? |
| 18:32 | owen | Yes |
| 18:34 | kados | I seem to recall that the loops that implemented that whole series of questions were pretty flakey |
| 18:34 | maybe paul's been working on them | |
| 18:35 | owen | A lot of bug-fixing had been done to correct those problems, and there was just one remaining glitch (and a non-intrusive one) |
| 18:35 | But now it's all been taken out. And circulation.pl hasn't been worked on in ages. | |
| 18:58 | kados | hmmm those switches in Circ2 look pretty much the same to me |
| 19:30 | owen your connection is pretty bad again today | |
| 19:30 | (according to my logs :-)) | |
| 19:30 | owen | Yup. |
| 19:30 | You'd better believe it! | |
| 19:31 | Kinda makes work difficult when it takes a whole minute to transfer a single file to the server. | |
| 19:34 | chris | hey guys |
| 19:34 | owen | Hi chris |
| 19:34 | chris | owen, ill try to look at the circ stuff soon as i get a chance |
| 19:34 | thats a show stopper for all our clients also | |
| 19:34 | owen | Thanks. |
| 19:35 | chris | i know paul rewrote the circ code, he musta missed it out by accidenet |
| 19:35 | owen | yeah, and it's not something that comes up without deliberate testing |
| 19:36 | chris | right |
| 19:38 | heh | |
| 19:38 | spam will always find a way | |
| 19:44 | kados | hey chris |
| 20:43 | tungsten | hi |
| 20:43 | can I just do an upgrade with a 2.0.0 install to 2.2? | |
| 20:44 | and does 2.2 support marc21? | |
| 20:44 | can I just do an upgrade with a 2.0.1 install to 2.2? | |
| 21:31 | when trying to upgrade from 2.0.1 to 2.2 I'm getting the correct error message /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs etc does not exist | |
| 21:32 | when trying to upgrade from 2.0.1 to 2.2 I'm getting the correct error message /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs200411171909 and htdocs200411131511 do exist? | |
| 21:33 | /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs200411171909 and htdocs200411131511 do exist? | |
| 21:33 | scrips and cgi have the same prob date extensions on the directory anme | |
| 06:00 | rach | bonjour paul |
| 06:00 | paul | hello rach |
| 06:00 | about the mail you send for bug in circ | |
| 06:01 | rach | yes - I just sent that to you |
| 06:01 | paul | is it the problem owen reported as 858 . |
| 06:01 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=858 | |
| 06:01 | ? | |
| 06:01 | rach | if it is just that then it's probably not a blocker |
| 06:01 | paul | i've found another one : you can reserve an item even if notforloan is checked for itemtype. |
| 06:02 | i'm hunting. Should be dead in some minuts. | |
| 06:02 | rach | oh that would be great |
| 06:02 | I just thought it best not to get any more folks reporting the same bugs :-) | |
| 06:02 | paul | (i'm speaking of notforloan problem. will hunt owen one just after) |
| 06:02 | rach | ah great |
| 06:03 | paul | i could release a 2.2.0RC1b today or next day |
| 06:03 | rach | that would be really good - I could do a news bit, and then people would have the weekend for a bit of a play :-) |
| 06:03 | paul | :-) |
| 06:04 | rach | we have another long awaited project going live tomorrow which will make it a big news day :-) |
| 06:05 | paul | pls tell me... |
| 06:05 | (I've another important news on Koha) | |
| 06:06 | rach | ah not a koha thing |
| 06:06 | it is a content management/website builder | |
| 06:06 | - www.wcn.net.nz | |
| 06:06 | paul | mmm... another one or you get involved in an existing project ? |
| 06:07 | rach | they give free webhosting for local community groups, and so we've done some work to make it easy for those groups to build sites |
| 06:07 | um it is Kea - the one we've had for a few years | |
| 06:08 | so not a new one | |
| 06:08 | paul | ok, I know Kea. And like it except it's really sloowwww from france... |
| 06:08 | rach | :-) |
| 06:08 | paul | my news is on Koha : 60km far from me, there is a library like Nelsonville (250 000 items, 6 public branches...) that want to migrate on Koha. |
| 06:08 | rach | yes I can imagine it would be |
| 06:08 | woo - that is cool | |
| 06:08 | paul | they will put 2 developpers at full time on Koha |
| 06:08 | rach | that is great news |
| 06:08 | paul | puls 1 project manager half time. |
| 06:08 | rach | wow |
| 06:08 | paul | (and a few money for me to help them) |
| 06:09 | they need a lot of things like RFID | |
| 06:09 | rach | that is great |
| 06:09 | paul | (/me not sure RFID is english term) |
| 06:09 | what's really great is that they are 60km from my home ! | |
| 06:09 | they want to go to Nelsonville in January/feb | |
| 06:10 | and i'll go with them | |
| 06:10 | rach | oh cool |
| 06:10 | yay - road trip :-) | |
| 06:10 | paul | (if nelsonville accepts us, of course= |
| 06:10 | rach | RFID I think is the same |
| 06:10 | it's the smart tags in books isn't it? | |
| 06:11 | on = in | |
| 06:12 | paul | smart tags ? if you mean a small processor to identify it by electronic machines, to avoid thiefs and help circ, then yes, that's it |
| 06:13 | rach | yep that's what I mean :-) |
| 06:15 | well that is all really good news paul | |
| 08:33 | Genji | hi all. |
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