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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:00 | Genji | and excited by what ive achieved with koha. |
| 11:00 | paul | <troll on> Pepsi is bad, coca is the only best</troll> |
| 11:00 | Genji | hey, i had coke this morning.. its good. |
| 11:00 | paul | (was purely a joke, i drink none, and my boys didn't too) |
| 11:00 | (we just drink water & fruit juices on the morning) | |
| 11:01 | Genji | hmmm.. okay.. peps say that tables don't show up the same on all browsers. not sure what that means. |
| 11:02 | ack.. i can't even use the main page with opera. | |
| 11:02 | paul | the main problem with tables, is that they were NOT planned to be used to define the position of something on the screen |
| 11:02 | Genji | the main menu... |
| 11:03 | paul | you're right. |
| 11:03 | Genji | too much ie/mozilla based javascript. |
| 11:03 | paul | worked before. I'll investigate... |
| 11:03 | (i use opera sometimes, as opera is available on linux !) | |
| 11:05 | Genji | whats a hint class? |
| 11:05 | paul | ?? |
| 11:05 | Genji | hey, you can now run linux on top of windows. Colinux. :) |
| 11:06 | <!-- RIGHT (disappearing) BLOC --> | |
| 11:06 | <div id="Hint1" class="hint"> | |
| 11:06 | paul | to have the bugs of Windows without the speed of Linux, no, thanks ;-) |
| 11:06 | (and i have no legal licence of Windows anyway !) | |
| 11:06 | it's a CSS class just to put the white box on the left. | |
| 11:06 | Genji | Opera supports hint classes? |
| 11:06 | paul | i modified it to work on IE, but seems it has broken something for OPera... |
| 11:07 | hint is not a pre defined class | |
| 11:07 | in CSS, you can define the class name you need | |
| 11:07 | Genji | ah. okay. |
| 11:07 | paul | go to templates/default/en/includes/commonstyles.css |
| 11:07 | and search hint | |
| 11:08 | you'll find how it's defined. | |
| 11:08 | probably a problem with margin-left or something like that | |
| 11:09 | Genji | actually, its intranet-main.ccs |
| 11:11 | Doubled margin-left, no diff. | |
| 11:11 | i think its the javascript... not sure... | |
| 11:11 | the menu should still show if its ccs prob? | |
| 11:12 | paul | in fact, the menu is hidden by the hint "circulation", that is the last one, and is not enough on the right. |
| 11:14 | Genji | ahh.. interesting. |
| 11:15 | so the fix is? | |
| 11:16 | paul | just need tests... |
| 11:16 | i'm not a CSS warlord, just a basis fighter ;-) | |
| 11:17 | Genji | why are we using these fancy javascript menus anyway? |
| 11:17 | paul | no good reason. Just to have a sexy mainpage... |
| 11:18 | Genji | one that a opera user can't use. |
| 11:18 | paul | no, of course ;-) |
| 11:18 | if you have another one that is sexy and works on any browser, let us know ! | |
| 11:19 | Genji | the old mainpage was good. |
| 11:23 | paul | but untranslatable... |
| 11:23 | as hints were pictures | |
| 11:23 | (& the "Koha a gift, a contribution text") | |
| 11:23 | don't forget some librarians are happy to see Koha in their native language ;-) | |
| 11:24 | Genji | true... okay.. its 3:23 am.. and fatiage is hitting my body. what time your usually up to? |
| 11:25 | up/online. | |
| 11:25 | paul | ... |
| 11:25 | 7AM-17AM (GMT) | |
| 11:25 | i'm just 12H from you. | |
| 11:26 | when 8AM for you, 8PM for me. | |
| 11:26 | which is the worst thing we could expect | |
| 11:26 | Genji | so, you knock off in 2 hours, then? |
| 11:26 | paul | say 3 |
| 11:26 | and a half | |
| 11:26 | Genji | hmmm... nah. can't stay up. bed looks really good right now. |
| 11:27 | paul | :-D |
| 11:27 | Genji | what do you think of the object orientated shelf tree? |
| 11:27 | paul | I think it's a good idea |
| 11:28 | but I don't see yet how to code it... | |
| 11:28 | Genji | how would you implement it, with the new permissions code? |
| 11:28 | paul | that's what i don't see for instance. |
| 11:29 | Genji | i mean, i can code the basic virtual shelf.. but tying the permissions code into it.. im just not sure how to. |
| 11:30 | paul | do what you can, and, free software miracle, someone will complete it ! |
| 11:30 | (me or someone else) | |
| 11:30 | Genji | Virtual shelf tree table (shelfparent int, shelfchild int) |
| 11:31 | main shelf defined as a systempreference. | |
| 11:32 | example data... (1,3)(3,4)(4,5) | |
| 11:33 | paul | yes, I understand this. The next topic being to have a opac-page to "swim" into virtual shelves |
| 11:33 | Genji | or, resolved to names, maybe (Main hall,General)(General,Buddhism)(Buddhism,Zen) |
| 11:35 | AHHA! | |
| 11:35 | paul | yes, and how do you fill your virtual shelves ? |
| 11:35 | Genji | new itemtype "intranet" |
| 11:35 | paul | for a 100 000 library book, it's really a huge job ! |
| 11:36 | Genji | a web link, that when put into a virtual shelf, is a instant web link, rather than a click for details. |
| 11:36 | point the intranet web link at another shelf... | |
| 11:36 | that would work? | |
| 11:38 | for our library, our subject areas are going to have barcodes on their labels. | |
| 11:38 | we type in the subject areas, map the parent-child relationships, scan the books into the subject areas. | |
| 11:39 | simultaniously stocktaking( updating last seen) and filling the virtual shelves. | |
| 11:39 | paul | very good suggestion ! |
| 11:42 | Genji | hmmm... virtual shelf-add new item, listbox of itemtypes, select shelve, shows you a dropdown of shelves, select one, and thats added to the current virtual shelf. |
| 11:46 | in shelfcontents, what are possible flags, currently? | |
| 11:59 | ohhh! flags is unused, there for future use... okay.. ill use it. | |
| 12:00 | flag set to 1 equals shelfitem is another virtual shelf, so go to it when clicked. | |
| 12:06 | okay, going to bed, but keeping this open. | |
| 12:09 | paul | g'night |
| 12:09 | hello owen | |
| 12:09 | g'morning | |
| 12:10 | owen | Hi paul. I just sent you an email--I don't get any online help for ISBD. Are you sure it's there? |
| 12:10 | paul | yes, it's in Koha >> Parameters >> systempreferences >> Help |
| 12:11 | owen | when I click 'help' it says there isn't any help for that topic. |
| 12:11 | paul | are you with default template or npl ? |
| 12:11 | owen | css |
| 12:11 | paul | and language english. |
| 12:11 | mmm... strange. | |
| 12:11 | owen | yes |
| 12:12 | paul | what do you have after "insecure" parameter help ? |
| 12:12 | ok, I understand | |
| 12:12 | i have not commited online help :-( | |
| 12:12 | so it's in 2.2.0RC1 official, but not on CVS... | |
| 12:13 | owen | That explains it! |
| 12:13 | paul | ok, it's on CVS now ! |
| 12:13 | can you update immediatly or you want a copy ? | |
| 12:13 | here | |
| 12:13 | ? | |
| 12:14 | owen | Thanks! :) I'll update. |
| 12:15 | paul | (you can see it on bureau.paulpoulain.com:808/cgi-bin/koha/opac-ISBDdetail.pl?bib=2369) |
| 12:15 | 8081 NOT 808 | |
| 12:19 | owen | Is 'default' the most current template now? |
| 12:21 | paul | for librarian intranet, css does not exist, so Koha automatically uses default |
| 12:21 | for OPAC, default is useless, css is OK | |
| 12:27 | owen | Should the variable type for the ISBD system preference value be textarea? |
| 12:28 | No, that doesn't seem to work | |
| 12:28 | paul | yes, that should. |
| 12:28 | use EXACTLY the typo as shown : | |
| 12:28 | Textarea iirc | |
| 12:28 | with row|colums under | |
| 12:29 | works fine for me | |
| 12:29 | owen | Oh, I forgot about the row|columns |
| 12:29 | On our installation is comes up as 'free'. I'm not sure why | |
| 12:33 | If I enter this: #245|Title: {245a}| Shouldn't that display the contents of the 245 tag, subfield a? | |
| 12:33 | paul | yes. except you need 1 more | |
| 12:34 | #245|Title:|{245a}| | |
| 12:35 | owen | I see. |
| 12:37 | By the way, this link in the intranet doesn't work for me: /cgi-bin/koha/bookshelves/shelves.pl | |
| 13:08 | paul | owen, about shelves |
| 13:08 | seems there is a cvs problem too | |
| 13:08 | i'm fixing it | |
| 13:08 | owen | Thanks |
| 14:08 | paul | 2.2.0RC2 has been released |
| 15:47 | kados | paul around? |
| 16:07 | owen | no, but I am now |
| 16:08 | kados | hey owen :-) |
| 16:08 | owen | How's it going? |
| 16:08 | kados | pretty good |
| 16:08 | how about you? | |
| 16:09 | owen | Just looking into Gloria's post about subject searches... |
| 16:10 | kados | right ... |
| 16:10 | I was going to ask paul whether he'd thought much about subject searches in Koha 2.2 | |
| 16:12 | owen | It's different that the way our production version works. It doesn't bring up the list of subject headings anymore. |
| 16:12 | ...but I don't know what fields it searches. | |
| 16:13 | kados | gloria must be talking about intranet searches ... the opac seems to work normally |
| 16:14 | yep ... /me checks the logs | |
| 16:15 | owen | Is there an error? |
| 16:16 | kados | I don't see one yet |
| 16:16 | for that prob | |
| 16:16 | there are a few other errors: | |
| 16:16 | [Fri Nov 19 13:45:43 2004] [error] [client 192.168.5.27] File does not exist: /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs/favicon.ico | |
| 16:16 | owen | What is all that 'Duplicate entry '3400000000'? |
| 16:16 | kados | Doing a precise search |
| 16:16 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry '340000000' for key 2 at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Biblio.pm line 1519. | |
| 16:16 | I've no idea | |
| 16:19 | it's in the OLDdelitem subrouting | |
| 16:20 | slef | hello... Does anyone know when paul will return? |
| 16:20 | kados | not sure slef |
| 16:20 | owen | Paul's probably off for the night. |
| 16:21 | kados | he's usually here only in the mornings |
| 16:21 | owen | (our mornings) |
| 16:21 | kados | us mornings that is :-) |
| 16:21 | slef | he left just over 2h ago, says whowas |
| 16:21 | oh well, I'll fix the bug and send email | |
| 16:22 | kados | so for you that'd be early afternoon slef (its what about 7ish now in UK?) |
| 16:23 | slef | 1920 or so here now |
| 16:24 | ah, bug didn't exist | |
| 16:24 | the best kind of bug :) | |
| 16:24 | kados | which bug? |
| 16:24 | slef | who's ragni? |
| 16:25 | No bug. It didn't exist. Don't worry about it. | |
| 16:25 | odd | |
| 16:25 | rangi = Chris Cormack, but koha-announce is maintained by ragni | |
| 16:26 | kados | rangi? |
| 16:26 | slef | typo in the list config? |
| 16:26 | kados | must be |
| 16:26 | chris | weird, pat musta typo'd when he shifted it over to me .. |
| 16:26 | kados | bug it :-) |
| 16:27 | slef | chris: can you fix and approve the recent queued announces? |
| 16:27 | kados | hey chris |
| 16:27 | chris | yep ill see if i can, i havent been getting any mail .. probably cos its sending it to ragni :) ill see |
| 16:27 | i can do it now | |
| 16:27 | slef | cool, tyvm |
| 16:27 | chris | the dogs have woken me up, so theres no going back to bed |
| 16:28 | slef | I need to reskew my day... currently working 9-11 and 15-21, which isn't ideal |
| 16:28 | chris | i need to figure some way to make the dogs want to sleep in on weekends :-) |
| 16:29 | cant see it happening | |
| 16:29 | slef | oh yeah, it's tomorrow for you ;-) |
| 16:29 | Have you considered drugging their food? >:-> | |
| 16:29 | chris | perhaps something not quite that drastic :) |
| 16:30 | kados | yea well sugar gliders are nocturnal :-) |
| 16:30 | so I am sorta forced to get up every couple of hours | |
| 16:30 | chris | ahh |
| 16:30 | ok, typo fixed, and message approved | |
| 16:31 | kados | last night they got into my insectivore terrariam and ate some of my prized venus flytraps |
| 16:32 | chris | ack |
| 16:32 | so they have free rein of the house at night? | |
| 16:32 | kados | pretty much |
| 16:32 | owen | kados, it sounds like you've got quite a menagerie |
| 16:33 | kados | I close out the kitchen and bathroom but the bedroom/living room is pretty much theirs |
| 16:36 | slef | what's a sugar glider? |
| 16:39 | owen | http://www.skinhorse.net/gliders/ |
| 16:40 | http://www.chaffeezoo.org/anim[…]/sugarGlider.html | |
| 16:48 | kados: it looks like Gloria's problem is a real bug. The same thing happens in the 2.2 default template. | |
| 16:48 | I wonder how long that's been broken? | |
| 16:50 | slef | "lost all its body weight and turned into a towel" - it'll be happy when the h2g2 movie is released next summer then? |
| 16:51 | kados | slef: exactly, I never leave the house without my towels ;-) |
| 16:52 | owen: it's strange that noone noticed it before now | |
| 17:32 | hehe, sage (one of the gliders) just woke up for a minute just in time for a photo opp | |
| 17:32 | http://kados.org/images/sage.gif | |
| 17:33 | chris | heh |
| 17:33 | owen | Cute! |
| 17:33 | How long have you had them? | |
| 17:34 | kados | willow (the other one) is in there too but she's a deep sleeper |
| 17:34 | about 4 months or so I guess | |
| 18:35 | GenjiNapp | hiya slef. |
| 18:39 | kados | this has to be some kind of record: |
| 18:39 | koha:/usr/local/koha/log# uptime | |
| 18:39 | 16:33:21 up 68 days, 4:31, 4 users, load average: 137.92, 127.03, 80.62 | |
| 18:42 | I've got lots of 9136 www-data 20 0 7696 7692 1596 R 2.5 0.3 0:00 mainpage.pl | |
| 18:42 | when I run top | |
| 18:43 | chris around? | |
| 18:44 | our load averate is usually about .33 or so | |
| 18:44 | so 137.92 is really bad | |
| 18:48 | I've disabled apache till I can get things under control | |
| 18:49 | the marc_word table is corrupted so that may be one problem | |
| 19:00 | I think that when marc_word got corrupted (for whatever reason) that triggered a lot of defunct processes and caused the high load | |
| 19:00 | chris does that sound plausable? | |
| 19:00 | marc_word is so huge that it's taking forever to repair | |
| 19:01 | should finish up in about 5 minutes owen | |
| 19:02 | owen | Thanks Joshua. I'm heading out. Good luck. |
| 19:02 | kados | take care owen |
| 19:20 | chris around? | |
| 19:21 | chris | sorta |
| 19:21 | still got load troubles? | |
| 19:22 | kados | no I think I got it fixed |
| 19:22 | chris | cool |
| 19:23 | kados | just wondering about that security you were mentioning online |
| 19:23 | on the list I mean | |
| 19:23 | what kinds of measures do you take for your koha systems? | |
| 19:30 | chris | well, not making the librarian interface available to the world is the main one |
| 19:30 | kados | right and that's done be replacing the allow from right? |
| 19:31 | chris | you can do it that way |
| 19:32 | or just have the virtualhost only listening on the local interface | |
| 19:32 | kados | ahh |
| 19:33 | I didn't know about that one | |
| 19:34 | chris | say if its listening to somedomain.that.only.resolves.internally |
| 19:35 | kados | and I'd have to set up that somedomain with an internal DNS server |
| 19:35 | chris | then no one can get to it, otherwise you can put it behind some authentication |
| 19:35 | yep | |
| 19:35 | kados | which I don't have right now |
| 19:35 | hmmm | |
| 19:35 | I'm in the middle of a security audit | |
| 19:35 | we're basically screwed =[ | |
| 19:35 | I've got to start patching this stuff | |
| 19:41 | chris | which stuff? |
| 19:47 | kados | si are you around? |
| 20:36 | Genji | anyone active? |
| 21:18 | kados | hey Genji |
| 21:18 | still around? | |
| 21:27 | wow that's interesting ... I just noticed that OpenBSD has an ISBN | |
| 21:27 | 3.6 Release: | |
| 21:27 | Released November 1, 2004 | |
| 21:27 | Copyright 1997-2004, Theo de Raadt. | |
| 21:27 | ISBN 0-9731791-4-7 | |
| 00:18 | si | joshua: what sort of bandwidth runs between the libraries? |
| 00:18 | kados | well our network has changed quite a bit over the past year |
| 00:18 | si | and over what media (frame relay, ethernet, t1, ISDN? |
| 00:18 | kados | for th branches that are directly connected we hav et1s |
| 00:19 | but a couple of our branches have cablemodem or dsl | |
| 00:19 | the bandwidth is about 500Mb for those branches | |
| 00:19 | si | Kb, preumably |
| 00:19 | kados | sorry yea |
| 00:20 | hehe | |
| 00:20 | si | a 500Mb cable modem would indeed be a thing of beauty :) |
| 00:20 | kados | sure would |
| 00:20 | so the t1s are 1.5 Mb :-) | |
| 00:20 | si | and you've got cisco's on the E1's, prolly 160x or 25xx class devices? |
| 00:20 | kados | sorry the're T1s |
| 00:21 | si | and who knows what on the cable modems/dsl? |
| 00:21 | kados | yea 25xxs |
| 00:21 | si | yes, sorry, T1's are E1's here, |
| 00:21 | kados | well actually ... two of our branches also have a wireless connection |
| 00:21 | it's VPN to our main library | |
| 00:21 | so they have 2500s | |
| 00:22 | our T1 libraries have 2500s | |
| 00:22 | our main library has a 4500 (which takes in all those 2500s) | |
| 00:22 | si | and what's the problem - lack of available support for the Cisco's, or some more specifc security issue? |
| 00:22 | kados | this was a good idea a few years ago before cable and dsl got so cheap |
| 00:23 | right no support on the Ciscos | |
| 00:23 | and I'm afraid there are probably major security vulnerabilities on such old systsms | |
| 00:24 | si | my perspective is that PC's make great routers/firewalls if you can render any given problem into one of routing ethernet |
| 00:24 | kados | we're gradually seeing our network become less centralized (cause the price of cable or dsl is about 10% of our T1s) |
| 00:24 | si | if you need to handle exotic telco media, then PC's become a lot less compelling, vs buying a box from the likes of Cisco |
| 00:24 | kados | so I expect that within a few months most of our libraries will be running on cable or dsl |
| 00:25 | si | ie, if you need isdn or t1 or atm or similar, then most of the cost justifications of PC's tend to go out the window |
| 00:25 | kados | but these lines will only have one static address |
| 00:25 | si | right |
| 00:25 | kados | so we'll need to do dhcp and dns |
| 00:25 | si | and if you move to DSL or CM, then your edge adapters basically become ethernet |
| 00:25 | kados | right |
| 00:26 | si | because they cable service probably comes with a modem that does cable to ethernet bridging |
| 00:26 | kados | so pcs are good routers in that scenario right? |
| 00:26 | router/dns/dhcp? | |
| 00:26 | si | and DSL to ethernet routers are about US$50 a throw |
| 00:26 | yes, for that sort of environment, PC's make a pretty good choice | |
| 00:26 | kados | well we don't actually have to pay for the dsl/cable to ethernet |
| 00:26 | the telco takes care of that cost | |
| 00:27 | si | yes, it often comes as part of the service |
| 00:27 | kados | they expect you to have the hub/dhcp server/nics |
| 00:27 | si | which you presumably do, in the main |
| 00:27 | kados | and a firewall of course |
| 00:27 | right | |
| 00:27 | the prob is our budget is so bad we need really cheap machines | |
| 00:28 | si | but you want to maintain reliability |
| 00:28 | always an interesting tradeoff | |
| 00:28 | kados | we have seven branches all of which NEED a firewall/dhcp server/dns server |
| 00:28 | yep | |
| 00:28 | si | by DNS server you presumably mean a caching proxy, rather than something authoratitve? |
| 00:28 | kados | I"m thinking we could spend about 200 per branch |
| 00:29 | si | what sor of VPN requirements do you have between branches? |
| 00:29 | kados | well chris mentioned the advantage of haveing something athorititave would be security for Koha |
| 00:29 | none really | |
| 00:29 | we just need to make sure our koha authentication is secure | |
| 00:29 | accross thosehostile netowrks | |
| 00:30 | si | so you need an https server, and a trusted DNS infrastructure |
| 00:30 | kados | yep |
| 00:30 | well https is tricky ... I didn't think you could do that with virtual hosts | |
| 00:30 | si | I've deployed a lot of these things: http://www.soekris.com/ |
| 00:31 | kados | I was looking at them eariler they look like they're in our price range |
| 00:31 | do you think they would handle DNS and DHCP as well as a firewall for each branch? | |
| 00:31 | si | they're interesting - they behave pretty much like a low end PC |
| 00:32 | yes, we have loads deployed in that sort of environment | |
| 00:32 | kados | sweet ... and the data speeds aren't going to bog them down, eh? |
| 00:32 | si | depending on your OS choice and firewalling, they'll happily route at up to 20Mb/s, and bridge at 40Mb/s |
| 00:32 | that's the 4501 | |
| 00:32 | kados | cool |
| 00:32 | si | the 4801'a are a bit faster |
| 00:32 | kados | that's plenty fast for ue |
| 00:33 | us | |
| 00:33 | si | in terms of code to run on them, you're somewhat spoilt for choice |
| 00:33 | which is a nice way of saying there is no one clear leader | |
| 00:33 | kados | well I've played with OpenBSD a bit |
| 00:33 | si | there are web pages that discuss cutting down openbsd to fit on a CF |
| 00:34 | kados | yea I figured ... I just wanted to get some confirmation from real world scenarios as to whether it was worth the investment, etc. |
| 00:35 | si | at Citylink, we've been deploying PC's as routers for customers for about 8 years now |
| 00:35 | initially floppy boot, then CF in IDE adapters, and so forth | |
| 00:35 | kados | cool |
| 00:35 | si | using all sorts of hardware, biscuit PC's, small (micro-ATX) std PC's, all sorts of oddball bits |
| 00:36 | depending on what was available | |
| 00:36 | the nice thing about the soekris units is that they've allowed us to standarddise | |
| 00:36 | kados | yea ... that's my goal too |
| 00:36 | right now everything is haywire | |
| 00:36 | si | the problem with using desktop PC hardware is that it's really difficult to get contenuity of supply for more than a few months |
| 00:36 | kados | do you ssh into those machines or do you disable ssh? |
| 00:37 | si | you get everything dialed on a specific set of hardware, and then it's no longer available |
| 00:37 | kados | yea I hate that |
| 00:37 | si | if you want something with a bit more herb, and can afford something a little bigger physically, then we've also had reasonable success with mini-ITX boards |
| 00:37 | kados | upgrades become almost impossible cause the hardware doesn't exist any more |
| 00:38 | si | they're not a lot bigger, and can still be run fanless |
| 00:38 | fanless is really important, as is decent power supplies | |
| 00:38 | even the soekris units go wacky if you don't give them enough amps | |
| 00:38 | on our soekris boxes we run Bering | |
| 00:38 | kados | thanks for all the advice si |
| 00:38 | si | which is a severly cut down debian |
| 00:38 | kados | Bering? |
| 00:39 | ahh | |
| 00:39 | not bsd? | |
| 00:39 | si | and we run ssh on them |
| 00:39 | kados | why Bering over openbsd? |
| 00:39 | si | and a couple of really newbie ex cablers |
| 00:39 | and bering uses shorewall | |
| 00:40 | which is a firewalling overlay on top of iptables | |
| 00:40 | that makes firewalling on linux comprehensible | |
| 00:40 | since iptables sure as hell isn't | |
| 00:40 | kados | ahh |
| 00:40 | iptables is pretty tough | |
| 00:40 | si | so with something like 200 routers deployed, I've got a retraining issue if we change them |
| 00:41 | we've played with monowall | |
| 00:41 | http://m0n0.ch/wall/ | |
| 00:41 | which is very slick, and great if you need an http GUI to manage the router | |
| 00:41 | but not as featurefull as our Bering load. | |
| 00:42 | we also use vtun and openvpn on top of Bering, which allows us to do ethernet bridging between different locations, over IP | |
| 00:42 | kados | that sounds pretty useful |
| 00:43 | si | it's useful in our environment - it means we don't have to get involved with customer routing |
| 00:43 | kados | Thanks si ... I've gotta run but I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out |
| 00:43 | si | it becomse a more classic "packets you push in here, come out over there" type service |
| 00:43 | no worries | |
| 00:43 | one other site to look at | |
| 00:43 | http://nexcom.com.tw/ | |
| 00:44 | is particularly loony | |
| 00:44 | but they do have great 1U boxes for PIII and P4, with lots of ethernet ports | |
| 00:44 | we use them for high end | |
| 00:44 | http://nsa.nexcom.com.tw/index.jsp | |
| 10:19 | slef | ho hum... left this connected overnight |
| 10:19 | hi all |
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