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| 05:48 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:11 | magnuse__ | \o/ |
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| 08:36 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 08:38 | krimsonkharne[m] | good morning! |
| 09:11 | paulderscheid[m] | hi #koha |
| 09:11 | * cait | waves |
| 09:11 | cait | all German here this morning :D |
| 09:13 | but the others will hopefully join soon | |
| 09:56 | ashimema | morning |
| 09:57 | Kann ich mitmachen? | |
| 09:59 | Joubu | join koha-non-german |
| 10:00 | ashimema | lol |
| 10:14 | cait | just happy to no longer be the only one :) |
| 10:15 | morning Joubu and ashimema | |
| 10:15 | Annelisterman[m] | been here all morning but silent :D Ich spreche schlecht Deutsch. |
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| 10:19 | cait | *hides* |
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| 10:31 | cait | can I come out again? |
| 10:32 | Annelisterman[m] | yes please :D |
| 10:38 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | Hello, can anyone see this message? |
| 10:39 | cait | thanks :) |
| 10:39 | tiagosimoes[m]1: yes, we can read you | |
| 10:39 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | oh good, I thought I was talking to void again |
| 10:40 | so uh, I have an issue with Koha's searching functionality (namely that isn't showing any results when I do a search). Is it ok if I ask here or is there a more appropriate place to get help? | |
| 10:41 | cait | it's perfectly ok |
| 10:41 | some questions to start with: Are you using Zebra or elasticsearch for searching? has it worked before? | |
| 10:43 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | Zebra. Yes, this is in a testing environment and I have both an older version of Koha (18.05) and Debian (9 aka stretch), which I updated recently to 10 in this testing environment. Everything went fairly well but yeah, no results are showing up when I do a search. |
| 10:43 | In "About Koha", it also tells me Zebra server appears to not be available. Is it running? | |
| 10:44 | Btw, I'm not an IT person, just a librarian with an interest in computer science and Linux experience. So apologies if I don't understand the more technical terms | |
| 10:44 | Anyway, I tried the following:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]GKrpbLbXpSkArVqgo>) | |
| 10:47 | cait | ok |
| 10:47 | ry to start it | |
| 10:47 | sudo koha-zebra --start instance | |
| 10:47 | where instance is the name of your library's instance you created | |
| 10:48 | tiagosimoes[m]1: ^ | |
| 10:48 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | will do, thanks |
| 10:51 | alright, done | |
| 10:53 | cait | did it help? |
| 10:53 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | no :(. About Koha still outputs the same message |
| 10:54 | cait | if you do a sudo koha-zebra --stop and the start after... any useful output? |
| 10:54 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | will try that |
| 10:55 | no, nothing | |
| 10:55 | Joubu | Don't you want to upgrade to a newest (and supported) version of Koha? |
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| 10:56 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | Yes, I do. First I'll update Debian and then Koha |
| 10:57 | Joubu | I would update first, then try to fix the problem. Maybe you are fighting a bug that has been fixed. |
| 10:57 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | but I was told to first try it in a testing environment and to not jump version |
| 10:57 | Joubu | why not? |
| 10:57 | schnydszch | when paying fine, we are getting error 500 in Koha 23.11. error is: [2024/01/25 18:01:19] [WARN] Use of uninitialized value $CGI::Compile::ROOT::usr_share_koha_intranet_cgi_2dbin_members_pay_2epl::change_given in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/members/pay.pl line 81. |
| 10:57 | [2024/01/25 18:01:26] [WARN] DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'issue_id' cannot be null at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Object.pm line 170 | |
| 10:58 | is this a bug? Thanks in advance! | |
| 10:58 | Joubu | dump the DB, reinstall Koha with 23.05 (or even 23.11), insert the dump, restart everything |
| 10:58 | tiagosimoes[m]1: dump the DB, reinstall Koha with 23.05 (or even 23.11), insert the dump, restart everything | |
| 10:58 | schnydszch: version of Koha? | |
| 10:59 | sorry, 23.11 | |
| 11:00 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | Joubu: But in the production environment, it's working correctly. |
| 11:00 | We already have a bunch of unresolved issues from earlier versions, wouldn't that add a ton of other potential issues? | |
| 11:01 | Joubu | @later tell schnydszch `show create table accountlines` should show "`issue_id` int(11) DEFAULT NULL" - it can be null |
| 11:01 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:02 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | tiagosimoes[m]1: > <@tiagosimoes:matrix.org> But in the production environment, it's working correctly.... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]fdcVYNegjprSfEksF>) |
| 11:02 | Joubu | tiagosimoes[m]1: zebra is supposed to work out of the box, especially with new versions. It seems easier to upgrade than investigate a problem on an old version. |
| 11:03 | what kind of issues? | |
| 11:06 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | Some of them do seem to be bugs, like, when you search for a specific authority in the Authorities module on the staff interface and there's more than 1 page, they're duplicated in the second page. We also seem to be having trouble with printing labels from Koha with special characters |
| 11:06 | I haven't investigated this thoroughly so they could just be bugs fixed in the newer versions | |
| 11:08 | Unfortunately I can't be 100% dedicated to managing Koha so I haven't had the time to check those issues. | |
| 11:08 | But I suppose I can try upgrading to 23.05 in the testing environment and see how it goes. Should I upgrade Debian as well? | |
| 11:09 | Joubu | ideally, yes |
| 11:10 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | So, first upgrade Debian and then Koha? Or it doesn't matter much? |
| 11:11 | Joubu | yes, first upgrade the OS |
| 11:13 | tiagosimoes[m]1 | alright, I'll give it a shot. Thanks @Jou |
| 11:14 | alright, I'll give it a shot. Thanks @_oftc_Joubu:matrix.org and @_oftc_cait:matrix.org | |
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| 11:32 | oleonard | o/ |
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| 11:48 | ashimema | didn't fancy double checking my follow-up on bug 33457 did you owen? |
| 11:48 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33457 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Improve display of fund users when the patron has no firstname |
| 11:48 | ashimema | oleonard ^ |
| 11:49 | I reckon we can PQA if you agree with it | |
| 11:49 | oleonard | Oh yeah I saw that you added something. I will take a look. |
| 11:50 | ashimema | cheers |
| 11:51 | LOL | |
| 11:52 | i just spotted it could be simplified even further! | |
| 11:52 | tcohen | morning #koha o/ |
| 12:01 | oleonard | ashimema: Are you reworking or should I go ahead and test? |
| 12:02 | ashimema | I'm done |
| 12:02 | there are two follow-ups on the bug now 🙂 | |
| 12:03 | we can squash them if you confirm they work as expected.. I tested quickly and was happy, but it's good to get that second pair of eyes on a followup like this | |
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| 12:15 | Joubu | ashimema: on top of the modal bug maybe? |
| 12:15 | shouldn't it be done for other searches as well? | |
| 12:16 | ashimema | I was thinking this was a simple backport and it's a bug... all be it trivial |
| 12:16 | yes, it should | |
| 12:16 | we need that modal bug in 😜 | |
| 12:21 | * oleonard | is trying to decide if we need a modal WRAPPER bug before the Bootstrap 5 upgrade... |
| 12:25 | ashimema | is this OPAC or Staff? |
| 12:25 | there aren't too too many modal in the opac as yet... | |
| 12:25 | but there are loads in staff | |
| 12:25 | have fun | |
| 12:29 | Joubu | oleonard: what's your opinion on bug 35864? bug or ft? |
| 12:29 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35864 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Should we clear patron search result when the modal is reopened? |
| 12:30 | Joubu | "we need a syspref" is not a valid answer :D |
| 12:30 | oleonard | :) |
| 12:32 | It's a tough question. Right now it doesn't clear patron search results, correct? I think we should leave it that way for now. | |
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| 12:32 | marcelr | o/ |
| 12:32 | Joubu | indeed, it does not for now |
| 12:38 | marcelr | Joubu: running UNIMARC btw? |
| 12:40 | in the context of 19097 | |
| 12:44 | Joubu | nope |
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| 13:26 | cait | another day not going as planned :( |
| 13:27 | marcelr | planning++ |
| 13:28 | tcohen | cait: you are awesome, don't put pressure on you too much |
| 13:30 | Joubu: around? | |
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| 13:45 | tcohen | anyone else seeing this? https://snipboard.io/WjLyAO.jpg |
| 13:46 | caroline | My console is empty on the main page |
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| 13:50 | paulderscheid[m] | tcohen yes always |
| 13:50 | Might be platform dependent | |
| 13:56 | tcohen | thanks paulderscheid[m] |
| 13:56 | my Vue errors didn't allow me to see it, and now I fixed those, I thought it was some other mistake I made :-P | |
| 13:58 | paulderscheid[m] | It only affects firefox, though |
| 14:00 | Joubu | tcohen: seeing it for months, yes |
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| 14:28 | oleonard-away | tcohen: https://github.com/FortAwesome[…]some/issues/19925 |
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| 14:32 | schnydszch | Joubu++ |
| 14:33 | Joubu, thanks for the hint! :) | |
| 14:50 | caroline | while more people are around, can someone check the order of the reply-to? In the AcquisitionsDefaultReplyTo syspref, it says "If left empty, it will fall back to the first defined address in the following list: library reply-to, library email, ReplytoDefault, KohaAdminEmailAddress" |
| 14:51 | But I thought it was library reply-to, ReplytoDefault, library email, KohaAdminEmailAddress, because the library reply-to says it fallsback to ReplytoDefault, not the library's email | |
| 14:52 | ashimema | looking |
| 14:52 | caroline | thanks ashimema++ |
| 14:53 | I was writing the order for the return-path (library's return-path, ReturnpathDefault, library's email, KohaAdminEmailAddress, if I understand correctly) and stumbled on that list and it confused me | |
| 14:55 | ashimema | if left empty.. it leaves it empty.. which means it'll follow the normal fallback pattern |
| 14:55 | ah.. but this is 'SendAlerts' which does whatever it fancies | |
| 14:57 | caroline | the normal fallback pattern being ReplyToDefault before the library's email, or the opposite? |
| 14:57 | ashimema | right |
| 14:57 | if it's not set.. it'll look at 'ReplytoDefault' | |
| 14:59 | and ONLY ReplyToDefault | |
| 14:59 | I don't see any further fall through | |
| 15:00 | caroline | seems to me like a bug |
| 15:01 | ashimema | the whole of C4::Letters is a bug 😜 |
| 15:01 | caroline | lol! |
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| 15:01 | ashimema | I keep saying that.. but whenever I try to get interest in fixing it I get nothing back |
| 15:01 | caroline | I thought it was KOha::Email now |
| 15:02 | ashimema | notices and letters are a nightmare of inconsistencies.. and people keep adding crap to them |
| 15:02 | only a very small part of it | |
| 15:03 | caroline | If it's something testable from the interface, you can cc me to test |
| 15:03 | If it's code refactoring, i'm not much help though | |
| 15:05 | So conclusion to my question is *It depends*? | |
| 15:06 | ashimema | no, no depends |
| 15:06 | it only falls back to ReplyToDefualt | |
| 15:06 | nothing else | |
| 15:06 | caroline | specifically AcquisitionsDefaultReplyTo |
| 15:07 | ashimema | AcquisitionsDefaultReplyTo -> ReplyToDefult -> Nothing |
| 15:07 | caroline | But in general, the order depends on the letter? |
| 15:07 | ashimema | yes |
| 15:08 | caroline | ok that's good to know |
| 15:08 | I'll write a bug report to either change the order or change the test of the syspref for that one at least | |
| 15:08 | ashimema | good to know.. bad for code |
| 15:08 | 😉 | |
| 15:12 | caroline | should I create like an omnibus for all the replyto's and then a specific bug for each? |
| 15:12 | marcelr | i hope not :) |
| 15:13 | dont forget the 'current behavior' guys too | |
| 15:13 | caroline | There is SerialsDefaultReplyTo too, which was added ad the same time, might have the same problem |
| 15:13 | ashimema | nope |
| 15:13 | that one is the same.. | |
| 15:13 | sorry.. I mean yes.. that one is the same | |
| 15:14 | caroline | the syspref give the whole list, so that is untrue also |
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| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:34 | saa | in koha even after deleting biblio, items why still records are still searched with details |
| 16:35 | cait | probably your koha-indexer isn't running? |
| 16:35 | saa | though it gives error the record you requested does not exist |
| 16:35 | cait | the index is cleaned when deleting records if things are working properly |
| 16:35 | it sounds like it#s still in the search index, but was deleted from Koha | |
| 16:35 | indexing problem | |
| 16:35 | saa | how can i check and correct |
| 16:37 | but when i run koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v it does not show any records | |
| 16:37 | but still records are searched | |
| 16:38 | cait | you are missing the instance |
| 16:39 | saa | no added instance when running command |
| 16:39 | cait | yes, that should work and reset... unless you have no records at all? |
| 16:39 | if your database is empty the index might not reset | |
| 16:39 | saa | i wondering from where data is still stored |
| 16:40 | is there any way to empty these records | |
| 16:40 | tcohen | what SearchEngine are you using? |
| 16:41 | saa | zebra |
| 16:41 | tcohen | ok |
| 16:41 | do you have records on your DB? | |
| 16:41 | what is you Koha version? | |
| 16:42 | saa | 23.11.01 |
| 16:42 | i dont see records in db | |
| 16:43 | but on staff client i can search | |
| 16:43 | cait | the search index is a different thing to what is iny our db |
| 16:43 | it's not in the db. | |
| 16:43 | saa | only when i try to click on title it throws error the record you requested does not exist |
| 16:43 | how can i then clear searchindex | |
| 16:44 | cait | the result list is drawn from thes search index, that was not reset/deleted, the detail page checks the db and gives you an error |
| 16:44 | the easiest is probably: add a record | |
| 16:44 | and reindex if that doesn't help | |
| 16:44 | saa | ok let me check |
| 16:45 | cait | there is also this: https://koha-community.org/man[…]t-the-zebra-index |
| 16:45 | saa | but i think there should be a way to empty records |
| 16:48 | tx cait that helped by resetting zebraindex | |
| 16:48 | thanks a lot | |
| 16:48 | i have one more query how can i disable public access to my koha staffclient | |
| 16:49 | cait | that's a sysadmin question |
| 16:49 | you could use a firewall to limit access to certain ip addresses | |
| 16:50 | the ip setting for branches shoudl do a similar thing in Koha, but you might also want to think about solving it on a server level | |
| 16:51 | saa | ip settings for branches i had tried but it didnot work properly |
| 16:51 | cait | I believe there might be a bug |
| 16:51 | saa | ok |
| 16:52 | if i get correct way it would help me | |
| 16:52 | to setup restricting access to staffclient through google | |
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| 17:41 | oleonard | Anyone around who is familiar with using Mana with serials? |
| 17:42 | caroline | vaguely |
| 17:43 | oleonard | Based on the template there seems to be two different versions of Mana search results... One from the "Search on Mana" link in the Serials sidebar menu, and another...somewhere? |
| 17:45 | caroline | when creating the subscription? |
| 17:47 | https://snipboard.io/gzERd1.jpg | |
| 17:47 | Afficher les résultats de Mana -> Show Mana search results | |
| 17:47 | Sorry, I didn't think to change my interface | |
| 17:47 | oleonard | No problem, my Duolingo streak is strong :) |
| 17:48 | caroline | +1 |
| 17:48 | oleonard | I will try to get a match! |
| 17:49 | caroline | I searched for National Geographic France, but any Nat Geo is probably there |
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| 18:07 | oleonard | Thanks caroline |
| 18:07 | caroline | np! was it what you were looking for? |
| 18:07 | oleonard | Yep. I couldn't see it because I'd introduced a JS error on the page :| |
| 18:08 | caroline | oops! |
| 18:59 | davidnind | BibLibre++ |
| 18:59 | ^^ Reached 25 employees in 2023 https://piaille.fr/@biblibre (in French) | |
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| 19:03 | JosephLamb[m] | Hello, after updating to 23.11, when I search for a book, there are no results. But there are items when I do an item search. I go to the OPAC page and I search for a book and nothing returns. I have rebuilt the zebra index. But I did not reboot or restart services. Where should I start to look for the problem? Thank you |
| 19:08 | oleonard | JosephLamb[m]: I don't know how to advise you, but I can say that what you describe sounds like a problem with Zebra. Item search is a different kind of search, that's why it works. |
| 19:11 | JosephLamb[m] | Is this similiar to saa's problem above? |
| 19:11 | oleonard | Could be! |
| 19:13 | davidnind | Joseph Lamb: The two common resolutions I've noticed with Zebra issues are 1) Restarting services (I would definitely try that) 2) Permission issues with the index files on the server (I don't know any more than that, so hoping others can offer some advce) |
| 19:16 | JosephLamb[m] | So the problem was I had to rebuild the index. But then I needed to restart the services. I did not have that in my notes. |
| 19:16 | zebra index | |
| 19:19 | davidnind | normally when you do a full reindex you shouldn't need to, but after doing an upgrade it is probably a good idea |
| 19:23 | JosephLamb[m] | Thank you for your help. davidnind |
| 19:24 | and oleonard . thank you | |
| 19:26 | davidnind | glad that you were able to solve the issue! |
| 19:30 | @later tell saa Definitely look at either firewall rules or Apache server configuration to restrict access to the staff interface. It's not something I'm familiar with, but it is a pretty common thing to do as part of hardening web services. Also, as cait said there is a bug with the AutoLocation system preference and using the library specific IP field, a fix is being worked on - thanks for helping identify it! | |
| 19:30 | huginn` | davidnind: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:32 | JosephLamb[m] | oleonard: Is the item search a mana search? Or what is the search engine? |
| 19:32 | caroline | JosephLamb[m], it's just an SQLq query |
| 19:32 | oleonard | It's a direct SQL query of the database tables |
| 19:33 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 19:33 | oleonard++ | |
| 19:33 | JosephLamb[m] | ok |
| 19:34 | caroline | davidnind++ isn't it early for you? |
| 19:37 | davidnind | 8:30am ish here - have just been getting up later lately... |
| 19:38 | caroline | oh ok, that's reasonable! I thought it was like 5am or something :) |
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| 19:46 | davidnind | 5am is always a struggle for me, between 6-7 am is typical (except maybe for Winter time...) |
| 19:50 | JasonGreene[m] | has anyone converted from an old system called Handy Library Manager made by PrimaSoft in the 90s into a new Koha system? |
| 19:55 | davidnind | Jason Greene: There is a relatively recent thread on the Koha General Mailing list - maybe you are the same Jason? https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]April/056086.html |
| 19:59 | JasonGreene[m] | That is probably me... I'm asking because we have made the move, yet my boss is seeing some missing data. He wants the Koha to get "patron data and item-level data" from Handy Library Manager... and I'm trying to find out how |
| 20:00 | caroline | item-level data is usually in the marc records, if that system can export in marc |
| 20:01 | JasonGreene[m] | it can't export to marc because it is not marc.. We had to convert it using MarcEdit |
| 20:01 | caroline | you'll have to map the fields in the handy library to fields in Koha. In MARC21, we use the 952 field for all item information (in UNIMARC it's 995 I think) https://koha-community.org/man[…]m-information-952 |
| 20:02 | oof, ok! I've had to work with systems like that | |
| 20:03 | So the boss says there is missing data, are you able to extract that data from handy library? | |
| 20:03 | JasonGreene[m] | Handy Library Manager exports these field ( IDTYPECATEGORYISBNTITLEAUTHOR CALLBARCODE ) |
| 20:05 | I sent Primasoft a support email and asked them ... we'll see the answer soon | |
| 20:06 | Just asking others to see if anyone was able to get that data | |
| 20:06 | caroline | I never had that one, so I can't say, sorry |
| 20:09 | JasonGreene[m] | That's ok, I'll keep looking. If we can't then we'll have to build a new Koha server and enter all items by hand :-( |
| 20:14 | davidnind | Maybe you could use the inventory tool or a report, then identify anything missing that way (I've never used it, so not sure if it is a viable solution - would depend on how many items you have!) |
| 20:14 | caroline | I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I hate that data can be stuck in a software... :/ |
| 20:15 | tcohen | mtj: you introduced HTTP::Tiny in the cpanfile, to force a minimum version |
| 20:15 | is that right? | |
| 20:16 | people are seeing the modules page report they need an upgrade, so our repo is not providing new enough one? | |
| 20:30 | davidnind | caroline: 100% (I think that should be a top selection criteria for any software organisations use - often they are just focused on the features or solving the problem they can see - sometime in the future they will most likely need to change, and need to get their data out (but this will generally be "someone else's problem!")) |
| 20:32 | JosephLamb[m] | I would like to add email notifications to Koha. I am using a gmail account. But the email failed to send. This is at my home lab and there are no firewall rules outbound. Is there a better service to use. I did not install postfix. |
| 20:34 | caroline | did you configure the smtp with gmail info? |
| 20:37 | davidnind | Joseph Lamb: This is how I configure the testing environment that the community uses (KTD) to send email when testing, not sure whether this is robust enough for production or whether there are limits - https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/[…]ting-the-easy-way |
| 20:37 | you also need to enable email for your instance https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]an_packages#Email | |
| 20:38 | I think there is a setting under Koha administration where you can smtp servers if your organisation has one or a service available | |
| 20:38 | cait | there might be some imitations with gmail, I remember some posts to the list |
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| 20:45 | JosephLamb[m] | <caroline> "did you configure the smtp..." <- Yes |
| 20:48 | JasonGreene[m] | <davidnind> "Maybe you could use the inventor..." <- We have about 18000 books |
| 21:41 | davidnind | Jason Greene: That's a decent size, it would be a reasonably-sized inventory exercise! |
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