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| 00:20 | khall joined #koha | |
| 00:38 | tuxayo | wow looks nice :D |
| 00:45 | Does anyone know if there is a way to make Koha lighter since the introduction of one worker for background tasks and one for long background tasks? | |
| 00:45 | Long ago I switched from two general workers to one to make start up and more importantly restarts, less slow. On my PC (old but will have to do until I can change it) restarts take ~15 sec now with 3 workers (one general, one background, one background long task) | |
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| 01:02 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 01:02 | inLibro++ | |
| 01:04 | Nice work on KohaCon24 - conference website (https://2024.kohacon.org/) and update (https://2024.kohacon.org/kohac[…]ilding-together/) | |
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| 07:39 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:07 | ashimema | tuxayo: does it matter if the workers take a little longer to start? Or is it a startup order issue.. should we be prioritising all instance plack startups before any workers to ensure site reactivity returns more quickly? |
| 08:08 | tuxayo: I know dcook has been thinking about startup speed lately, but I don't think he was worried about the workers.. more the app itself | |
| 08:09 | @later tell tuxayo tuxayo: does it matter if the workers take a little longer to start? Or is it a startup order issue.. should we be prioritising all instance plack startups before any workers to ensure site reactivity returns more quickly? | |
| 08:09 | huginn` | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:09 | ashimema | @later tell tuxayo tuxayo: I know dcook has been thinking about startup speed lately, but I don't think he was worried about the workers.. more the app itself |
| 08:09 | huginn` | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:09 | Joubu | really want to restart or plack --reload enough? |
| 08:11 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:13 | cait | good morning #koha! |
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| 08:32 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 09:44 | cait | still so quiet? |
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| 09:56 | paulderscheid[m] | I have one :D |
| 09:56 | Let's integrate an open LLM into Koha ˆˆ | |
| 10:01 | That bz skin looks awesome btw. Let's get it moving: bug 34423 | |
| 10:01 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34423 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , (proof-of-concept) Bugzilla could look better with a new skin |
| 10:01 | magnuse | LLM? |
| 10:02 | paulderscheid[m] | Large Language Model like llama2 |
| 10:02 | the chatGPT stuff ;D | |
| 10:03 | magnuse | lulz |
| 10:04 | automatic renewals should not be affected by the calendar, right? loans should be renewed even on closed days? | |
| 10:04 | paulderscheid[m] | that sounds like a cait question :D |
| 10:05 | here's a cool repo if you'd like to play around w/ it magnuse https://github.com/jmorganca/ollama | |
| 10:05 | It's very capable and doesn't collect any data. | |
| 10:06 | But don't let it write your code, you WILL regret it ˆˆ | |
| 10:06 | magnuse | what would we use it for in koha? |
| 10:07 | paulderscheid[m] | For example in the staff interface. For example for looking up docs and answering natural language questions. For example: 'How do I turn on Feature x', 'How do I configure ILL' or something like that. |
| 10:07 | Ha, still tired, 3x 'For example' :D | |
| 10:08 | PedroAmorim[m] | o/ |
| 10:09 | having an optional AI helper is an inevitability imo | |
| 10:09 | it'd be great to have it in Koha! | |
| 10:09 | paulderscheid[m] | Could be also really great for reports! |
| 10:10 | yeah, was kind of a joke but I see it as a possibility as well. | |
| 10:11 | Maybe PTFS has the capacities :) | |
| 10:12 | PedroAmorim[m] | maybe =D maybe some folks from Germany also have the capacities =DDD |
| 10:12 | paulderscheid[m] | Haha :D |
| 10:12 | Would be great to show that tinkling stars icon in promotional material :D | |
| 10:12 | Just btw, we have AI now XD | |
| 10:13 | Would be great if we got there before OCLC | |
| 10:13 | magnuse | buzzword bingo! |
| 10:14 | paulderscheid[m] | Yes |
| 10:14 | That | |
| 10:14 | :D | |
| 10:15 | ashimema | well.. I actually had a discussion about AI in the company the other day... the sales team are keen to train an LLM using our existing tender responses to help in drafting new tender responses |
| 10:15 | paulderscheid[m] | That makes sense. |
| 10:15 | ashimema | Must admit.. I only took a cursory look at how to train an LLM and decided it was way outside my expertise.. but investigating it is on the long list.. I agree.. it would be great to do something in that space for Koha.. |
| 10:16 | I know there's a few people interested in the reports writer stuff | |
| 10:16 | paulderscheid[m] | Check out ollama for setup and huggingface ashimema |
| 10:17 | It's doable. | |
| 10:17 | But you should rather look into fine-tuning a model rather than training one. | |
| 10:17 | Training one is a whole phd | |
| 10:17 | ashimema | yeah, that was the conclusion I came too too |
| 10:18 | s/too/to/ | |
| 10:18 | paulderscheid[m] | I bet |
| 10:19 | Has potential no doubt | |
| 10:22 | magnuse | huggingface? |
| 10:23 | paulderscheid[m] | It's a platform for discussing ai development. |
| 10:23 | or rather llm development, I actually hat this being called AI all the time :D | |
| 10:23 | *hate | |
| 10:24 | https://huggingface.cxo | |
| 10:24 | https://huggingface.co | |
| 10:25 | magnuse | ah, thanks! |
| 10:26 | paulderscheid[m] | well it's now multi-modal so llm does not suffice anymore but you get the gist |
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| 11:01 | cait | magnuse: i think it should renew on holiday too... but it has changed a lot since I last looked at the feature more closely |
| 11:01 | I think kidclamp or ashimema might be better to ask even | |
| 11:03 | ashimema | pass |
| 11:04 | kidclamp | It should be an option, what it actually is I'm not sure |
| 11:07 | no, calendar is not taken into account for renewability, it can affect the due date <- magnuse | |
| 11:07 | ashimema | thanks kidclamp |
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| 11:23 | oleonard | I worry that adding an llm to Koha will result in plausible-sounding but incorrect answers at a rate that makes it useless ( > 0% ) |
| 11:26 | Joubu | ashimema: feeling rusty... Is the job of Koha::Object->strings_map to return the library's name or should I use embed instead? |
| 11:27 | GET /patrons/42 would return {str: {library_id: "Centerville", category_id: "Staff"}} | |
| 11:39 | @later tell 33161 comment 33 | |
| 11:39 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:44 | cait | I just remember the one perfectly fine sounding email to the list about configuration options Koha never had... |
| 11:44 | they had asked ChatGPT I think | |
| 11:44 | how do you keep them from making stuff up? | |
| 11:45 | oleonard | Making stuff up is their job! |
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| 12:03 | paulderscheid[m] | I think citing sources is the way to go here. |
| 12:13 | magnuse | someone here tested chatgpt with "tell me 5 things about koha", and 2 or 3 of the answers sounded plausible, but were entirely made up... |
| 12:13 | thanks cait ashimema kidclamp - i couldn't find traces of the calendar in there either, but it would have explained the problem i was seeing :-) | |
| 13:12 | kidclamp | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pment_environment |
| 13:12 | Is this out of date now? I can't get any languages to list | |
| 13:16 | PedroAmorim[m] | kidclamp: are you on ktd? |
| 13:16 | I have to run:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]YZVYvXKyLDXYUDbiP>) | |
| 13:16 | from https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ha-testing-docker | |
| 13:16 | to have it work on ktd | |
| 13:17 | Joubu | a chown and/or reset --hard in misc/translator/po will certainly fix the problem |
| 13:18 | kidclamp | yup, reset did it, thanks |
| 13:18 | Joubu | kidclamp: which error did you get? |
| 13:19 | kidclamp | I just got nothing |
| 13:19 | but I needed: sudo koha-translate --list --available --dev kohadev | |
| 13:19 | without dev it stil iddn't list anything and no error | |
| 13:19 | Joubu | hum ok, maybe the gulp error was hidden then |
| 13:19 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]translation-files | |
| 13:20 | I wrote that, but I think it's missing a case | |
| 13:20 | in the " | |
| 13:20 | Common problems" part I mean | |
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| 14:55 | Joubu | oleonard: I have attached several patches on bug 35329. It is missing a bit of styling inside the modal (the 'info' messge for "xxx patrons added") and maybe a bit more on the nested modal |
| 14:55 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Move patron searches to a modal |
| 14:55 | Joubu | oleonard: but overall it's ready for testing I think |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Cool, I will take a look |
| 14:55 | Joubu | I spent too much time on that one... :D |
| 14:56 | and I still need to provide tests... | |
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| 16:14 | ashimema | hmm |
| 16:14 | is metacpan struggling today? | |
| 16:15 | cait | ashimema: could you check on the release tema patches? had a question about wiki roles |
| 16:16 | ashimema | er, sure.. in a few mins |
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| 20:17 | * magnuse | settles in for an upgrade |
| 21:41 | magnuse | that's a new one: Can't use string ("Rosalie") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/about.pl line 751 |
| 21:43 | just upgraded to 22.0506000 | |
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| 21:48 | Cesar | Estimados, saludos desde Argentina. Les quería dejar la inquietud. Estoy trabajando sobre las hojas (plantillas) de autoridades, y el programa no me deja exportar la hoja de trabajo Género/Forma. Será un problema del SIGB o no deja exportar? Agradecería ayuda |
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| 22:14 | caroline | Cesar, that sounds like a bug, you should report it on bugzilla |
| 22:16 | I think it may have to do with the fact that GENRE/FORM has a slash in the code? None of the other codes have a slash | |
| 22:18 | ah, it has already been reported Bug 33929 | |
| 22:18 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33929 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , Cannot export genre/form authority framework |
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