IRC log for #koha, 2023-12-12

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06:54 fridolin yellow
07:12 magnuse \o/
07:22 Joubu @later tell tcohen boludo
07:22 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
07:38 Joubu ashimema: around?
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08:04 ashimema On the children run around right now, will be more available in an hour or so
08:07 paulderscheid[m] Morning #koha
08:08 cait around?
08:13 nvm cait :D
08:14 cait1 around now
08:14 sure?
08:18 Joubu fridolin: around? Able to push now?
08:26 fridolin Joubu: ah i test
08:27 Still : remote: Gitea: branch 23.11.x is protected from unverified commit 18962c1237f4f975d4322e1657e4a9cd95188106
08:28 ! [remote rejected]       23.11.x -> 23.11.x (pre-receive hook declined)
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08:38 Joubu fridolin: I was wondering because you marked some bugs as pushed
08:56 cait @seen ashimema
08:56 huginn` cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 52 minutes and 16 seconds ago: <ashimema> On the children run around right now, will be more available in an hour or so
08:56 Joubu fridolin: please try now
08:57 I removed the "require signed commits" option
09:02 ashimema Does frido not sign his commits then
09:03 Fair enough removing the requirement at git level though.  I thought it was part of rmaint policy to crypto sign those commits though
09:04 cait the release maintenance page mentions GPG
09:04 but not sure we made a decision about it being mandatory or communicated that
09:04 ashimema I thought it did.
09:05 If frido is getting that unverified stuff it points to not gpg signing
09:05 cait we could talk about it tomorrow, I am just about to send out a meeting reminder email
09:05 ashimema I see. Okirs
09:05 Personally, I like it for auditability
09:05 But it doesn't hugely matter really
09:06 cait in another note.. anyone knows what's up with the debian/control section?  https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lease_maintenance - all those bugs are closed
09:06 Joubu ashimema: we must advertise such changes
09:06 cait if you are buildng your own packages this might still be needed in the repo?
09:07 Joubu I am removing the settings for all stables, we don't want RMaints to all complain at the same time in a week when they will release
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09:07 Joubu keeping it for master, but it needs to be added to the wiki page
09:08 ashimema I didn't think it was a change
09:08 But dropping it makes sense
09:08 Joubu will see if it fixes Frido's push
09:08 ashimema I actually only thought I'd enabled it for master
09:09 cait you can keep that one if you want - I am signing
09:11 my emai program keeps cutting off links when I set it to sent text only *grr*
09:11 I'll try sending an HTML email next time
09:12 fridolin yep pushed OK to 23.11.x
09:12 o/ cait
09:13 cait hi fridolin
09:34 aw-bib[m] hello! I'd have small question wrt the library specific `koha-conf.xml`. this file holds amongst others the configuration for ldap. in my setting it would be _convenient_ if I could flesh this out to a separate file. noting the usage of XInclude in other parts I wanted to use something like `<xi:include xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" href="/etc/koha/sites/l00koha/ldap.xml">` however, once I do this koha doesn't feel well at all
09:34 (the opac loads forever, same as the intranet.) moving the incl. block right into the file and everything is fine. do I do something illegal here or any hints how to get this working?
09:38 cait I have never heard of anyone doing it like that
09:38 it probably depends on how we get the setting from the file... I'd day the loading forever will probably have lots of errors in yoru logs
09:39 do we have another inlcude in koha-conf.xml?
09:39 or do you refer to xml in general?
09:40 ashimema I think the other includes are part of the zebra and sru configs stuff
09:40 aw-bib[m] no there are some includes e.g. for the marc21-retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml
09:40 ashimema which is parsed by a different parser
09:40 aw-bib[m] aha!
09:40 then maybe the parser for the configs just don'd know about Xinclude.
09:40 Joubu surrounded by wrapper?
09:41 This seems related: https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]ng-perl-xmllibxml
09:41 ashimema we use XML::LibXML to parse
09:42 but we also so some 'clever' munging to get it to output more like XML::Simple for backwards compatibility reasons
09:42 Joubu aw-bib[m]: I don't think it will work if you need this "wrapper"
09:42 aw-bib[m] ok, I'll check the hint by Joubu I'd not burn the midnight oil on it, as I said it just sounded pretty convenient.
09:44 cait ... excuse the amount of typos I am making today
09:46 oh interesting
09:47 i just noticed I have a change to contributors.yaml - ashimema: do you have a moment for questions?
09:47 I guess that my pre-push git hook started working after all :)
09:47 ashimema 🙂
09:48 krimsonkharne[m] hey #koha
09:48 ashimema https://git.koha-community.org[…]ha/Config.pm#L103
09:48 we don't call the process_xincludes function
09:49 cait hi krimsonkharne[m]
09:49 ashimema to no.. we don't support them
09:49 probably for security reasons?  or just an oversight?
09:49 you could submit a bug for it.. it wouldn't be a terrible idea to split up that file.. it's getting rather large
09:49 sorry.. that was about xincludes
09:49 right.. back to cait
09:49 reading
09:50 cait I guessed, I sent you a pm, waiting patiently ;)
09:51 ashimema 🙂
09:55 cait btw, can we please have a sign-off/QA for bug 35504? :)
09:55 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35504 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Release team 24.05
09:55 cait would be nice to have in releases this month
09:55 ashimema david highlighted some follow-ups I need to do
09:55 I'll look at them next today
09:56 just need to finish up this meeting
09:56 cait thanks!
09:58 * fridolin go to the pillow, see u
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10:02 cait We are building our own packages for 22.11, can someone help with that error maybe?
10:02 yarn css:build:prod && yarn js:build:prod
10:02 $ gulp build && gulp build --view opac
10:02 Error: Cannot find module 'stream/promises'
10:03 Joubu yes, update node version
10:04 cait can you detail a bit?
10:04 Joubu first try yarn install
10:05 cait I am trying to remember how this works for package building - it's been a while since I have done that
10:06 I believe we are using https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way
10:12 Joubu `node --version` ,
10:12 ?
10:12 please confirm it says 18
10:15 cait can I do that on the branch they are building from?
10:17 Joubu on the wiki page, at step "Add latest stable npm/gulp/nodejs packages to pbuilder"
10:17 there is something wrong I think
10:17 wget -O- -q https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_18.x | bash - # will install node 18
10:17 BUT
10:17 apt-get -y install nodejs yarn # will install node from system
10:18 if you are using buster (following what has been done on the wiki), the node version will be, I think, 14
10:18 you need to confirm that (the node version)
10:18 and then we will see how to fix the problem (I guess removing nodejs from the apt install line)
10:19 cait I'll have to foward that because I am only partially following you
10:19 give me a moment and thanks for the help!
10:40 Joubu++ # multiple reasons :)
10:40 for the readers: we confirmed it was version 14 - trying to fix it now
10:47 Joubu++ # packages have been built
10:48 the solution was here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way - Add latest stable npm/gulp/nodejs packages to pbuilder ...
10:58 I am pondering removing the deprecation note on the page.... any opinions?
11:14 ashimema: I am confused d by bug 35265 - you wrote in comment 8 that ordering for facets still mattered, but I think the patch breaks it
11:14 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35265 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Passed QA , Remove drag and drop in Elasticsearch mappings
11:14 cait can you have a look?
11:19 ashimema working on team right now
11:19 then can take that one on
11:19 team wise..
11:19 KTD Maintainer is a new role
11:19 one we want to add onto the team page in about?
11:20 or not?
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11:21 cait i think add
11:22 ashimema yes boss
11:22 cait we all want ktd happy - so we shoudl show appreciation :)
11:22 ashimema wiki team vs wiki curator?
11:22 cait heh, be careful, i could get used to that :P
11:22 ashimema do we really need both?
11:22 cait i think have one
11:22 what do we have currently?
11:23 ashimema seems a bit haphazard
11:23 but neither get specific mentions on about
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11:27 tcohen hola #koha o/
11:28 ashimema We have 'Wiki manager', 'Wiki curator' and 'Wiki team member' as roles
11:28 not really sure where those all came from but I'm not sure we really need them all separately listed
11:30 tcohen love you too, Joubu
11:30 :-P
11:31 hola ashimema
11:31 ashimema hi tcohen
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11:35 cait ashimema: haphazard?
11:36 today I am not having a good RM run ...
11:36 ashimema gnore me
11:37 * ashimema is working on it
11:37 cait ashimema: I don't have a strong opinion about the roles, something pragmatic for now maybe
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12:01 ashimema ktd maintainer
12:01 struggling for a more end user friendly name for this role
12:01 librarians should know at a glance what these roles do in my opinion
12:02 * ashimema also thinks 'Jenkins maintainer' isn't great.. we should rename that to 'Continuous integration maintainer' or something
12:02 ashimema rather than naming the tool we use
12:02 'Developer tools maintainer'
12:03 maybe for the ktd one>?
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12:03 ashimema but that's a much wider remit
12:03 really
12:12 good catch on bug 35265 cait
12:12 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35265 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Failed QA , Remove drag and drop in Elasticsearch mappings
12:12 ashimema I must have checked out a different branch again mid QA and thought I'd tested ☹️
12:12 well.. I did test.. but clearly on the wrong branch!
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12:35 tcohen ok, I'm me
13:02 magnuse good!
13:07 cait1 excellent :)
13:16 tcohen Joubu the weblate status monitor is spamming us, do you know what is happening?
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13:19 Joubu configure it
13:19 tcohen: you can remove the low alerts
13:19 tcohen I mean, there's a problem with weblate we can help with?
13:19 ok
13:20 Joubu no, I removed the swap file to free some disk space
13:20 back to 13G free now, but I need to create the 23.11 project
13:20 we will then see how much takes the project
13:20 and will eventually extend the disk
13:21 tcohen ok, thanks for the feedback
13:21 Joubu the alerts are fixed now
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14:25 cait bye all
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14:47 caroline rediscovered this by accident https://purrli.com/ much relax
14:52 ashimema that just confused the heck out of my cat
14:52 he's now running around the house looking for the intruder
14:52 caroline oh no! sorry!!
14:53 tcohen wow
14:53 aude_c[m] lol
14:54 ashimema hehe
14:54 he's settled down again now
14:54 Joubu caroline, davidnind, cait: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]equests/490/diffs
14:55 @later tell cait https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]equests/490/diffs
14:55 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:55 tcohen Joubu...
14:55 do you think we can move the translation files entirely out of the clone?
14:56 Joubu why?
14:56 to add more confusion? :D
14:57 I mean, *even* more
14:57 tcohen I feel like we should really mount it from the outside
14:57 you know what, I don't wanna go that rabbit hole today heh
14:57 NEVERMIND
14:58 Joubu outside what?
14:58 it's already outside the docker container
14:58 out of $SYNC_REPO? ie. not in misc/translator/po?
15:02 tcohen maybe we should add koha-l10n as a submodule in git...
15:02 Joubu we already had this discussion
15:03 we don't want that
15:03 when a submodule is modified you will need a new commit in Koha repo to tell "hey now we are requiring this commitid"
15:03 which means a lot of commits in git log only about that
15:03 tcohen are we tagging in koha-l10n
15:03 Joubu maybe we will need it, in the future, but I don't think we need it now
15:04 there is commit ids in koha-l10n, yes, every day (when the sync is done)
15:05 tcohen that's a workflow change compared to the 'old' way
15:05 not saying bad, just different
15:06 I like it
15:07 Joubu before we had the .po files retrieved from Pootle every 6 months, now it's every day
15:07 yes it's different :D
15:07 tcohen I think we should eventually tag or have more determinism
15:08 because if after tagging a release, the rmaints keep pushing... the strings might differ at packaging time (it gets delayed more than a day sometimes)
15:09 Joubu they the packages can be build using another commit id
15:09 git log --oneline | grep "Update from Koha"
15:16 tcohen that's nice, Joubu
15:16 I assume mtj's tools will be looking at those commit ids then
15:17 and maybe explode if they don't find it
15:32 krimsonkharne[m] cait around?
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16:28 krimsonkharne[m] huginn question.. I sent a PM to huginn saying "help" a few days ago just to see the list of commands
16:29 and got the response "User is not online or does not exist. Message not sent."
16:29 tcohen huginn`
16:29 krimsonkharne[m] anybody else had the same problem?.. Is it because I'm using Element or is huginn just perma on vacation?
16:30 tcohen I never managed to get any '@later' with Element/Matrix
16:30 ashimema the irc bridge seems to have become less and less reliable of late ☹️
16:31 krimsonkharne[m] hm, that's unfortunate :(
16:31 tcohen are you still on Element or did you switch to something else?
16:32 tcohen I've just got back to plain IRC yesterday evening...
16:32 Matrix hurt my relationship with some people because of the lack of comms
16:32 he
16:32 I hate it forever
16:32 <3
16:32 krimsonkharne[m] sorry, I haven't really had much time for checking IRC myself, otherwise I would have seen you mentioning it already..
16:32 oh, that's good to know
16:33 tcohen it's fine, I'm not even sure anyone got my complain-y emails about Matrix anyway LOL
16:33 *messages
16:34 krimsonkharne[m] yeah, I guess how would you know at that point.. lol
16:34 well might be time for me to change too
16:34 thanks :)
16:35 tcohen++
16:35 tcohen the fact I'm interacting with you means the bridge is workinf
16:35 just unreliable, maybe
16:47 krimsonkharne[m] hmm, true
16:47 well anyway.. off for now.. good evening #koha :)
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19:37 jheanellef[m] hola folks
19:37 can anyone shed some light on why zebra would stop working
19:39 here is the message we are getting "zebra seems to have stopped. is it started?'
19:39 koha-zebra --start/restart/stop scripts do not work anymore
19:40 extensive troubleshooting has given no results
19:59 caroline jheanellef, seems like no one has the answer, you can try sending an email to the mailing list, as it reaches more people
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21:04 emlam oh my goodness I just saw the new winter theme on the community dashboard
21:04 it's so cute!!
21:04 (though...probably not great for accessibility =/ )
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