IRC log for #koha, 2023-09-26

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06:22 magnuse \o/
06:40 Joubu caroline: about how-to, what is the problem you get with the translation script exactly?
07:03 fridolin: I don't recreate the patrons_search failure on 23.05, do you?
07:04 fridolin: Secondary question, why is 23.05_D11 failing since Sep 8th? Health of Jenkins should drive the pushes...
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07:35 Joubu mtj: around?
07:41 mtj: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]tools/-/issues/77
07:45 cait: 26350 I don't think it's resolved. The "Generate discharge" link is there since the first iteration of this feature.
07:46 mtj hi Joubu, bb10
07:56 back..
07:56 Joubu: i like your idea
08:05 Joubu thx for the confirmation!
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08:10 PedroAmorim[m] o/
08:16 magnuse \o
08:17 mtj hi team
08:17 Joubu: re: failing trixie builds, i will try to fix in 30...
08:18 https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]elines/1011040421
08:19 trixie wants to install gconf, but pkg has been depreciated
08:19 https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gconf
08:20 hopefully selenium will still work without it...🤞🏻
08:20 hi PedroAmorim[m], magnuse  🍕
08:21 magnuse kia ora mtj
08:22 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] o/
08:28 Joubu @later tell we need 34911 ASAP
08:28 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:29 cait Joubu: but what else do they want then? you can already generate a discharge for the user...?
08:31 Joubu I don't remember, did you see comment 8? Hard to switch context for me now.
08:54 magnuse Joubu: did you forget to tell @later who you want to send the "later" to?
08:55 Joubu yes! :D
08:55 @later tell tcohen we need 34911 ASAP
08:55 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:55 Joubu thanks, magnuse
08:55 magnuse :-)
09:02 TripathiDP[m] I am getting this error in Koha Version 22.11 while issuing the books and also returning the books... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]RyFRPnsGOvrdRJsql>)
09:36 Joubu @later tell tcohen[m] follow-up on 27634 to fix the selenium test failure
09:36 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:05 nikkom Hi koha :) I have changed logo in the intranet page previously. Now the library wanted me to cgange the size of the logo. When I look from inspect element (I am using firefox) I see that this change can be done from staff-global.css and I need to change height of logo from  80%; to 90%. What I want to ask is: How can I make this change? May I change css file directly? Or is there another way?
10:05 Note: To ghane logo I have used  IntranetUserJS  system parameter
10:14 paulderscheid[m] You can just target that element from  IntranetUserCSS nikkom
10:19 nikkom I opened  IntranetUserCSS and it is empty. How can I give the command? Could you please give me an example?
10:20 I'm not sure about the syntax
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10:23 Joubu nikkom: use plain CSS
10:24 oleonard nikkom: If you've already found the right selector in the inspector you can right-click to copy the whole rule and paste it into IntranetUserCSS, then modify it as needed
10:36 nikkom Ohh I did it. Dear paulderscheid[m], joubu and oleonard thanks a lot you all
11:56 tcohen[m] hola #koha o/
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12:04 cait hola tcohen :)
12:31 ashimema still around oleonard?
12:31 oleonard Yep
12:31 ashimema any thoughts on how difficult it might be to swap in the latest datatables?
12:31 I'm getting told there's some vulnerability with out version
12:32 oleonard Usually it's not too difficult if I remember correctly
12:32 ashimema I was hoping you'd say that 🙂
12:33 cait "usually"? ;)
12:34 oleonard Well I'm not going to say "always" !!
12:35 aw-bib[m] may I ask what the table chekcout_renewals tracks? are these the seen renewals for an item identified by checkout_id == issue_id where the time stamp refers to the timestamp of renewal?
12:36 ashimema all renewals
12:36 cait whenever an item is renewed, it creates an entry in that table
12:36 ashimema i believe type is recorded in the table
12:36 cait but I am usre you could get away without filling it
12:36 because we had to keep it backwards compatible and it all still works ok if you just have the renewals count in the issues table
12:36 the only caveat is that you can't see the 'renewal history' in the GUI
12:36 aw-bib[m] it seems I can get away without, I just try to understand it's relation to issues and issues_old.
12:37 ashimema the code is written to not worry too much if the table isn't populated.. because clearly before the feature existed it would be empty
12:37 cait exactly
12:37 if you want to migrate it, I thin the link is the issue_id
12:37 aw-bib[m] ah perfect. :) cause my old system only tracks number of renewals but not the dates. if I have to populate it I'd need to do some math.
12:38 cait we'll claim it's a thought through feature that they are optional :)
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12:38 aw-bib[m] 👍️ :)
12:38 cait hi khall!
12:38 wahanui hi khall is probably my consciousness present in this realm?
12:38 khall hi cait!
12:39 oleonard ashimema: Already I see styling issues :/
12:39 magnuse hi khall!
12:39 wahanui hi khall is probably my consciousness present in this realm?
12:40 ashimema ho.. did you just give it a try.
12:41 oleonard Yes
12:41 ashimema looks like jQuery validate is also flagged
12:41 keeping up with libraries is hard
12:41 thanks for taking a look
12:47 aw-bib[m] If I do populate the issues and old_issues with our entire loan history (basically, I understand that this is like replaying the history), should I still set 952__|l |m |n |q |r |s in the bibrecords I migrate?
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12:50 aw-bib[m] (refering to total checkouts, renewals, holds, due date etc.)
12:50 oleonard ashimema: Have you filed a bug for the DT upgrade? I can work on it
12:51 ashimema not yet
12:52 I'll add one now
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12:56 ashimema bug 34913
12:56 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34913 is not accessible.
13:03 oleonard Ugh, so many CSS changes :(
13:04 ashimema ☹️
13:16 oleonard It's okay ashimema CSS changes are where I'm a viking
13:22 caroline Joubu, the error is when I run gulp po:update --lang fr-CA https://snipboard.io/u5WPFj.jpg
13:23 if i remove how-to.pl and how-to.tt. the gulp po:update command doesn't return any error
13:23 ashimema 😄
13:24 kidclamp oleonard: are you in the camp that thinks Ralph dreams he is a viking, or that he is so good at sleeping he is like a viking of sleep?
13:24 Joubu caroline: can you create a bug? and cc me please
13:24 ashimema 😂
13:25 oleonard kidclamp: Viking of sleep is how I always thought of it
13:25 Never even considered the other way!
13:25 kidclamp I agree, apparently the writers themselves are divided on how it was meant
13:33 caroline Joubu, done!
13:35 ashimema someone did work on NCIP some time didn't they?
13:35 or did I imagine that
13:35 magnuse was that you? ^
13:36 magnuse hm, maybe if you are thinking like 9 years ago?
13:36 ashimema probably
13:36 wahanui i heard probably was too hard.
13:36 ashimema so gues it would have been NCIP1, not NCIP2?
13:37 did it get anywhere?
13:37 magnuse i do think bywater have done some work
13:37 cait aw-bib[m]: you might be better off - Koha pull information from different places in different spots
13:37 aw-bib[m]: I haven't checked every subfields, but assume these are totals for renewals checkouts etc.?
13:37 magnuse ashimema: https://github.com/bywatersolutions/ncip-server
13:37 cait you'll also want to set the one that is items.onloan with the due date if something is checked out
13:37 aw-bib[m] right. I was wondering if it is adding stuff up.
13:38 ashimema aha, thanks magnuse
13:38 magnuse ashimema: not sure if it was 1 or 2, it was a norwegian profile of ncip. i got norwegian ill based on ncip to like 90%, but i think oslo public library had something they used for a number of years in prouction
13:38 cait I am not sure if there are any scripts to auto-populate
13:39 caroline: you might have to file the how-to in the ktd issue tracker
13:40 caroline OK i wasn't sure if it was a koha thing or a ktd thing
13:41 aw-bib[m] cait: I set almost everything I have including the due date. (`|q`) I was just wondering if it confuses koha if it get's this information once during bibliographic upload and then by filling the `issues` /  `old_issues`. and once I tried to understand what's going on I stumbled upon `checkouts_renewals` and also the `action_logs` that hold certain circulation stuff.
13:41 ashimema cheers
13:41 we're looking at exlibris rapido (which is RapidILL with more bolted on.. but it basically all looks like NCIP2 behind the scenes)
13:42 as yet another ILL backend.. we have far too many over here.. it ain't half confusing.
13:42 and many of our customers like to have lots of them all running in parallel
13:43 cait aw-bib[m]: i think you can ignore the action_logs here - you won't see the tranactions in the log viewer
13:43 but the circ history i think is built using issues or statistics
13:43 magnuse ashimema: sounds like fun!
13:43 * magnuse wanders off to make pasta with mushrooms
13:44 ashimema sounds tasty, enjoy
13:44 aw-bib[m] cait:  `statistics` is something that gets populated automatically?
13:45 it seems that I need to fill this as well.
14:04 cait pretty much nothing gets automatically populated if you use SQL
14:04 but usually it would
14:05 I think our API is not complete yet when it comes to checkins/checkouts... for the future that might be interesting
14:06 aw-bib[m]: histories are often left out in migreations
14:06 I think we have only done it in one project so far
14:06 always worth checking if the data is really used for something
14:07 specials and academics often don't really use them that much (as compared to public libraries that will weed a lot more)
14:12 aw-bib[m] an API for ci/co/re would indeed solve this "don't forget ...". (that's why I was pondering koc and indeed also issuing sip sequences.)
14:13 > specials and academics often don't really use them that much
14:13 well I am not that much a fan of all this counting myself, but if I can migrate the stuff I'd prefer not to loose it. especially as "after aleph" we have some pretty good data accumulated.
14:21 * oleonard runs to magnuse's house
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15:11 oleonard ashimema: Put "Usually it's not too difficult" on my tombstone
15:35 ashimema hugs
15:37 Shane-NP[m] Can I change the name order appearance in OPAC?
15:37 its sur, middle, first, I would like first, middle, sur
15:48 oleonard Shane-NP[m]: That's not a configuration option, so you can't do it without modifying the source
16:06 cait1 oleonard:  is that the logical sequence?
16:07 it looks like the patron form in staff has it:  surname first name middle
16:07 ah ok, opac is the same
16:12 caroline ugh, why are holds so complicated?
16:13 I'm trying a configuration and the place hold button appears on the results list but not on the biblio details page... (I want to to be holdable and it works if I click on the button in the results list)
16:27 kidclamp results calculation is a guess
16:27 it's not the full calculation, for speed
16:28 caroline So basically what you're saying is that my configuration is wrong since the details page is the "real" calculation?
16:29 kidclamp that was true once upon a time, trying to verify
16:30 caroline its a very particular need (why do libraries insist on making everything so complicated??) where the central library is the only one that allows holds, from patrons from any other library
16:31 I used the "Holds policy by item type" rules for each library to forbid holds except for the central library
16:32 (based on the item's library)
16:39 kidclamp Yeah, Koha::Items->filter_by_for_hold - "Return the items of the set that are *potentially* holdable."
16:40 but this sounds like a bug if you can successfuly place hold from results and not from details
16:41 I would file and include your setup
16:41 caroline filing right now :)
17:01 Shane-NP[m] so...I would need to do a git pull, modify the code, suggest a patch and see if it is approved type thing if I want to an option under admin menu?
17:05 emlam Shane-NP[m] Are you talking about changing the order in which the input fields display? If so, I believe you could do that with JQuery in OPACUserJS
17:08 Shane-NP[m] Yeah, All our labels are printed First Last Middle, and in OPAC its Last (Surname) Middle First
17:08 I will take a look thanks
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17:45 oleonard Looks like the DataTables "clear filter" button on patron search results is broken?
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17:54 Shane-NP[m] Where does the OPACJS text get appeneded or created at in the source? I am not finding my code
17:55 emlam It's a system preference in the Administration module
17:56 oleonard Shane-NP[m]: If you're talking about where it is when you view source on your page, it should be at the very bottom
17:56 Shane-NP[m] yeah source let me check I was using chrome and looking at all the .js files
17:58 I just put this in there to see if I can view it in the log... console.log(stringArray); // ["my", " ", "car", " ", "is", " ", "red"]  not finding it
18:08 ill have to mess with it later, I have lived with it this long...why change now :P I think the issue is I include middle names this time around
18:09 I used to omit them, but we have 2 patrons with same first and last ...so middle was needed to help sort who is who
18:09 Anyway, thank you for the help. I will play with JQuery more when I have time.
18:12 caroline Middle name is also pretty recent in Koha, maybe that's why you didn't have them before
18:54 emlam anyone remember the syspref that controls whether the returns table shows all scanned items, or only items that were previously checked out? I can't seem to find it
18:56 caroline emlam, probably ShowAllCheckins
18:57 emlam yup, that's the one. Thanks, caroline!
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19:49 davidnind oleonard: can confirm, clear filter button for patrons not working for me in master
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21:45 mtj TripathiDP[m]: it looks like you have a database problem, is it running?
23:29 tuxayo Does anyone know a ressource for testing EDI/EDIFACT stuff? For example I want to do «Find or create an item invoiced via an EDI INVOICE message»
23:29 look at git log for test plans mentioning EDIFACT or EDI didn't help.
23:30 Same with https://koha-community.org/man[…].html#edi-process

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