IRC log for #koha, 2023-08-30

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06:20 Joubu joined #koha
06:20 Joubu hi #koha
06:32 magnuse caroline++
06:32 hiya Joubu
06:32 * dcook waves too
07:09 cait joined #koha
07:12 Joubu ok, so, where do I start?...
07:17 cait at the beginning? :)
07:17 welcome back Joubu
07:17 and good morning #koha
07:19 Joubu there are several beginnings
07:22 cait many loose ends? yes...
07:30 Joubu RudyHinojosa[m]: Hi! Some days ago you posted a video to lightwavelibrary where I saw references to lrms. When I google it I found a website about G4/G5. Do you know what is this about?
07:30 RudyHinojosa[m]: "Because LRMS has always led the way in Library Automation, we are happy to announce our Collaborative working support of this Open Source G5 Lightwave Library/Koha ILS. Designed by the Koha world-wide collective this software is free to Libraries[...]"
07:30 RudyHinojosa[m]: This sentence on their website is really confusing..
08:36 mtj hey folks
08:37 davewood im looking for a custom shortcut combination that works on all major browser. a customer wants to switch the navigationtabs on cataloguing/addbiblio.pl using  0-9, left arrow, right arrow ... this is easily done adding custom js code to IntranetUserJS ... but no matter which meta keys i pick there is always one browser that does some other thing.
08:37 mtj hi cait, i think download.kc.org is running on the bugzilla server, so chris
08:38 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] o/
08:38 davewood alt+num switches tabs on FF, ctrl+num switches tab on edge, ctrl+alt+num doesnt work on FF, ...
08:39 mabe if i require the user to press ALL the buttons at once
08:39 Joubu davewood: super?
08:39 mtj Joubu: i think 'G5' is their rebranded koha... poss. G4 is a closed-source ILS that they are abandoning?
08:39 Joubu well forget that, not on windows :D
08:39 cait davewood: it's annyoing,b ut access keys are different in all browsers
08:40 I looked into it a while ago
08:40 * Joubu forgot not everybody is on linux already
08:40 cait mtj: I came to a similar conclusion
08:44 Joubu mtj: so, source should be somewhere?
08:44 davewood Joubu: meta does weird stuff with me window layout.
08:45 Zahid[m] hi every one, suggestion required in cataloguing module
08:45 davewood and i cant seem to prevent the event from bubbling up
08:45 mtj davewood: tell your customer to use just firefox
08:46 davewood mtj: I will also tell them to use linux exclusively, i'll report back if it was a success.
08:46 PedroAmorim[m] morning o/
08:46 davewood im sure that particular close-to-government-institution will have no issue with my request.
08:47 Joubu if you are hacking in IntranetUserJS you can still adjust the shortcut depending on the client
08:47 mtj Joubu: hmm yeah, good point
08:53 Zahid[m] morning, is there any system preference value to restrict the staff/user in editing/adding books in cataloguing/addbiblio.pl page for disabling the tags a,b,c etc and the boxes/indicators example 100 indicator [1][2] a c d etc;.  i want disable/readonly that indicator and abcd so the user cannot type and change the indicator and (a) (b) (c) etc
09:00 cait the problem I think with not using access keys is that you will probably always overwrite soem browser feature shortcut
09:00 you can use overlay rules
09:01 administration > overlay rules
09:01 but beware: it will still look like the ycan edit, but it won't save any changes
09:03 mtj davewood: https://github.com/jaywcjlove/hotkeys-js ... looks quite nice
09:05 https://learn.jquery.com/code-[…]rowser-detection/
09:23 Joubu if you mistype ctrl+w too often and hit ctrl+q instead - https://support.mozilla.org/en[…]questions/1279145
09:23 might happen less often with qwerty layout however
09:38 davewood cait: browser shortcuts are apparently not always overridable
09:38 Joubu: didnt think of browser detection, good point
09:45 cait davewood: makes sense, but doesn't make your life easier I guess :(
09:54 khall joined #koha
09:57 cait I am trying to join accountlines and account_offsets because I need the offsets with the borrowernumber
09:58 but I am failing currently... witht he debit_id credit_id links
10:00 hm I think i foudn a way... but it's a little ugly
10:01 https://paste.koha-community.org/25460
10:08 tcohen[m] Hola #koha o/
10:38 oleonard o/
10:53 cait hi tcohen hi oleonard
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11:19 tcohen[m] has anyone looked at the failing tests?
11:20 Joubu What's the point of tests if they are always failing? Shouldn't we simply remove them?
11:20 tcohen[m] is it a rethorical question?
11:23 Joubu trying to be funny, sorry :D
11:25 tcohen[m] haha
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12:13 EvaldoSantos[m] Hi there
12:14 I am facing a very weird behaviour with SMTP: sometimes it sends e-mail and sometimes not.
12:21 oleonard EvaldoSantos[m]: That sounds like it might not be a Koha-specific question. Do you have reason to believe it is Koha?
12:21 Joubu yes, the S stands for that: Sometimes Mail Transfer Protocol
12:21 oleonard :D
12:23 EvaldoSantos[m] oleonard: Yes I do. Because it is our company e-mail service and we dont have any user complaining.
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12:24 tcohen[m] Koha emails are sent through the configured SMTP
12:24 do you see no activity in the SMTP server?
12:25 EvaldoSantos[m] I have sent a welcome e-mail to a user 10 minutes ago and it still pending. 2 hours ago it was working well.
12:25 tcohen[m] right
12:25 when you say 'pending'
12:26 you mean it is displayed as 'pending' in the Koha UI
12:26 EvaldoSantos[m] tcohen[m]: Yes I do,  the configuration matches in both SMTP Server in SMTP Server and koha-conf.xml
12:26 tcohen[m]: Exactly
12:26 tcohen[m] messages in the message queue
12:26 are picked by the process_message_queue.pl cronjob
12:27 you should go check the script is configured to be run with the desired frecquency
12:27 and you could try to run it manually within a koha-shell
12:28 the cronjob most likely runs by using
12:28 koha-foreach --email
12:28 it means only instances with email enabled will be picked
12:28 koha-enable-email <instance>
12:28 I didnt' mention it first, because you said some messages went out and others didn't
12:28 EvaldoSantos[m] tcohen[m]: This has been done.
12:29 tcohen[m] so you have homework
12:29 happy to continue the chat once you checked those things I mentioned
12:33 EvaldoSantos[m] <tcohen[m]> "and you could try to run it..." <- Let me try it, i will let you know in a few moments.
12:56 <tcohen[m]> "you should go check the script..." <- Well, it is solved, just adjusted the script to run every (1) minute and the mails are flowing
12:56 sudo nano /etc/cron.d/koha-common
12:56 */1 * * * * root koha-foreach --chdir --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjob​s/process_message_queue.pl
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12:57 EvaldoSantos[m] Thanks for the help, mostly for the quick reply.
12:57 tcohen[m] congrats
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13:33 EvaldoSantos[m] Can someone help me understand a doubt about the permissions of Patron: It is not possible to create a Patron Category and define permissions to that category instead so that any new patron created within that category inherits the permission, instead of applying permission directly to a single patron.  I think that only way is to create a Patron (template with permission) and then Duplicate.
13:34 oleonard EvaldoSantos[m]: Permissions are set on patrons. They can't be applied by patron category.
13:34 caroline EvaldoSantos[m], as far as I know, the permissions are per patron only. I think I saw a plugin to copy permissions somewhere...
13:35 I have never tried it, but you can look at https://github.com/bywatersolu[…]missions-modifier
13:36 EvaldoSantos[m] oleonard: It is a pitty. I think I will have sticky with the "Duplicate" option.
13:36 oleonard And hopefully the QA team is discussing 30623
13:36 Bug 30623
13:36 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Copy permissions from one user to another
13:40 emlam EvaldoSantos[m] - we use the patron batch permissions modifier plugin that caroline posted, and it has worked really nicely for us
13:41 if you're interested in looking into it, Koha-US has a pair of videos that are very thorough in explaining the ins and outs of it
13:41 jalway EvaldoSantos[m]: Our circulation supervisor tried using the plugin some, but just resorted to manually setting permissions. They then forgot about it and were confused with some permission issues later. My suggestion is use it/don't use it. Just make sure you don't leave stumbling blocks for yourself later.
13:43 oleonard PedroAmorim[m] around?
13:43 PedroAmorim[m] aye
13:43 oleonard I just saw Bug 34654
13:43 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Submit button doesn't look right in staff forms
13:43 oleonard I thought this was fixed by Bug 34341
13:43 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34341 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Revert Bug 34072: Holds queue search interface hidden on small screens
13:43 EvaldoSantos[m] <huginn> "Bug https://bugs.koha-community..." <- I was reading the discussion, and i think comment #8 is the solution: permission profiles
13:44 oleonard PedroAmorim[m]: Have you run yarn build to get the latest CSS?
13:45 EvaldoSantos[m]: Permission profiles is a great idea but no one has sponsored it
13:45 ...despite lots of talk about people wanting it :(
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13:46 jalway Permission profiles would be nice indeed.
13:46 PedroAmorim[m] oleonard: I did, but I did not have master up to date, that bug was pushed yesterday. Can confirm it's fixed. Thanks!
13:47 oleonard 👍🏻
13:48 EvaldoSantos[m] <caroline> "Evaldo Santos, as far as I know,..." <- The library i am working on it at moment is small, not more than 8 persons, but within the group there are teams with different tasks. For now i can just create some Patron Template according to the needs, but it would be fine in a near future to be able to create a permission profile (that you can import/export).
13:54 Joubu PedroAmorim[m]: still not interesting in fixing bug 34276?
13:54 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002
13:54 Joubu looks like a critical problem, impacting stable for weeks
13:55 PedroAmorim[m] hey
13:55 I've spent over a day trying to reproduce that, I can't
13:55 Joubu you don't need to
13:55 just provide the fix :D
13:55 PedroAmorim[m] can't fix something I can't reproduce
13:55 Joubu comment 18
13:56 yes you can, I have done that for years :D
13:56 think as a computer
13:56 better to write than to sign off!
13:57 PedroAmorim[m] I'm very interested as to what is the cause of that, I've tried many upgrades from and to different versions
13:57 with and without data
13:58 Joubu did you see what Fridolin posted?
13:58 PedroAmorim[m] I have, I am and was aware of that change
13:58 Tomas did a fix between releases, I tried upgrading with and without that
13:59 Joubu changing DBMS?
13:59 PedroAmorim[m] i have not tried that, no
13:59 tcohen[m] I reproduced with DB_IMAGE=mysql:8.0
13:59 soltar
13:59 PedroAmorim[m] nice
14:10 oleonard jajm around?
14:12 * oleonard is wondering why unimarc_field_123d.pl, unimarc_field_123e.pl, and unimarc_field_123f.pl all create a link to unimarc_field_123g.pl
14:12 oleonard Looks like it's been that way forever but it doesn't look right
14:12 jajm oleonard: i'm here but i don't have any answers for that unfortunately :)
14:14 oleonard jajm: Who do you think would be good to CC in a bug report about UNIMARC plugins?
14:14 tcohen[m] sounds like a bug
14:14 firdolin?
14:19 jajm not sure if it's really a bug, as all 4 plugins are extremely similar (to not say identical), so they should work correctly, but we only need one plugin, not 4
14:21 oleonard jajm: So we need one 123d/e/f/g plugin
14:23 jajm yes
14:23 tcohen[m] we need a 123 plugin, that can be linked on each subfield
14:41 caroline Speaking of plugins... If I change something in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/​en/data/marc21_field_008.xml do I need to change it elsewhere to see the change?
14:42 I see the change in my master installation, but not in KTD and am confused
14:44 oleonard caroline: You see the change in the 008 plugin popup?
14:45 caroline in my master installation, yes
14:46 oleonard I wonder if it's a cache somewhere not getting updated
14:47 caroline i did restart_all, is there another one for cache?
14:47 I'm new to ktd, so I know like... two commands total
14:47 oleonard I would think that was all you needed, unless it's the browser cache
14:47 caroline I'll try Ctrl+F5 maybe
14:48 no luck... I'll put it in Needs signoff, and maybe someone else can try
15:05 Joubu tcohen[m]: bug 34276 comment 24, cuidado! 'ADD CONSTRAINT fk_name FOREIGN KEY' vs 'ADD FOREIGN KEY fk_name' !!
15:05 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002
15:09 Joubu bug 34276 has a patch now
15:09 PedroAmorim[m] I'll look into to test and SO
15:31 oleonard Bug 34657
15:31 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Merge cataloging plugins for UNIMARC 123d, e, f, and g
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16:16 oleonard caroline still around?
16:16 caroline oleonard, yes
16:17 oleonard Do you know what the marc21_field_008_classifications plugin is for?
16:17 caroline ooh... no
16:17 I didn't know we supported the classifications format
16:18 oleonard I don't even know what that means :D
16:18 caroline There are different marc21 formats: bibliographic, authority, holdings and classification
16:19 https://www.loc.gov/marc/classification/
16:20 oleonard So the existence of that plugin implies the existence of a classifications module and framework which we don't have
16:20 caroline Maybe someone started something and it didn't go anywhere?
16:22 bug 17233
16:22 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, abl, CLOSED FIXED, Add 008 value builder plugin for MARC21 classifications
16:22 caroline "This is a starting point for supporting classification records in Koha."
16:22 oleonard Whoops :)
16:24 caroline yeah so it never got anywhere I think...
16:40 oleonard I wonder if people would be interested in seeing a tooltip in the MARC editor showing which cataloging plugin is used for the field
16:41 caroline are there many that are interchangeable? Most are for a specific field no?
16:42 oleonard Yeah I guess that's true
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17:45 oleonard This is old, but still... I'm surprised by the number of UNIMARC countries https://snipboard.io/O6iEwB.jpg
17:49 caroline wow! I thought it was France and a couple of other countries, but this is a lot more!
17:50 oleonard I wondered because of the .ru email address on that recent UNIMARC framework bug reporter
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20:53 caroline MARC updates are ready for signoff! bug 34648 and dependents
20:53 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Needs Signoff , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update 31 (December 2020)
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22:21 davidnind caroline++
22:22 I've put some comments on 34648, will work on the others over the next few days (unless someone beats me to it!)
23:43 tuxayo hi :) does anyone know how to simply see with perltidy what stuff should be changed?
23:43 When the qa script complains about of a change, I run `perltidy the_file.pl` and open a diff between the original and the new .pl.tdy file.
23:44 And then go the placed the patch touched to see what is the diff there.
23:44 I wonder how other people do.

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