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| 05:26 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen "Current branch erm is up to date." - it was rebased already, did you forget to fetch? |
| 05:26 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 05:54 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:26 | dcook | bug 31378 is certainly coming along |
| 06:26 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31378 new feature, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Failed QA , Add a generic OAuth2/OIDC client implementation |
| 06:27 | dcook | Just a few more fixes I think then the first level of testing should be good. A bit concerned that people are marking it Signed Off when they're not testing all the features but.. |
| 06:35 | Joubu | ...but? |
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| 08:16 | Lee | Good day, I am writing to you from an Edtech company called Snapplify and I am looking for the person at Koha that is responsible for partnerships |
| 08:23 | Joubu | Lee: Hi, nobody, what's your request exactly? |
| 08:27 | Lee | We are looking at ways to intergrate with our library system |
| 08:28 | ashimema | What are you looking for Lee,, Koha is open source and community 'owned'.. there are support companies in various countries that distribute and support Koha |
| 08:28 | Lee | Which company in South Africa handles this so i can contact them |
| 08:30 | ashimema | https://koha-community.org/sup[…]ountry/char/R/#sa |
| 08:30 | I don't see any listed | |
| 08:33 | Lee | Anyone in the UK then? |
| 08:34 | or EMEA | |
| 08:35 | ashimema | PTFS-Europe are UK |
| 08:35 | Not sure about emea | |
| 08:38 | Lee | Thanks |
| 08:38 | ashimema | There are also individual developers that may be able to help of course, Joubu who answered above being one. All really depends on what you are looking to achieve really. Hope that's helped |
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| 08:56 | paulderscheid[m] | Morning #koha |
| 09:39 | Does anyone know an easy solution for stricter type checking in perl? | |
| 09:40 | Joubu | why would you that? |
| 09:42 | paulderscheid[m] | Want to catch type mismatch at compile time rather than ending up with weirdness on runtime. |
| 09:43 | For me personally it'd help working with dbi | |
| 09:50 | e.g. like TypeScript | |
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| 10:22 | ashimema | erm docs submitted: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]erge_requests/598 |
| 10:22 | needs some reviewing and markup may need some correcting as I used pandoc to convert from google doc to docx to rst and then only did a littel manual intervention to make it fit our repo a bit better. | |
| 10:32 | caroline around | |
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| 11:05 | schnyd | tuxayo: rootubuntu-s-2vcpu-4gb-sgp1-01:~# docker-compose version |
| 11:05 | docker-compose version 1.25.0, build unknown | |
| 11:05 | docker-py version: 4.1.0 | |
| 11:05 | CPython version: 3.8.10 | |
| 11:05 | OpenSSL version: OpenSSL 1.1.1f 31 Mar 2020 | |
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| 11:10 | tcohen | hola #koha |
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| 11:22 | PedroAmorim[m] | hi |
| 11:22 | ashimema | Hi Pedro |
| 11:31 | So, Pedro is joining PTFS-E full time from January and has been doing a few contracts including helping on erm.. so great to have you joining the team Pedro | |
| 11:32 | paulderscheid[m] | Gongrats 🎉 |
| 11:32 | * Congrats 🎉 | |
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| 11:45 | oleonard | Hi PedroAmorim[m], welcome! |
| 11:48 | PedroAmorim[m] | ashimema: Yes that is correct! Happy to be able to contribute and be part of this. It's truly a privilege. Thank you! |
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| 12:26 | magnuse | PedroAmorim[m]: welcome from norway |
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| 13:14 | ashimema | caroline or davidnind around yet? |
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| 13:15 | tcohen | welcome, PedroAmorim[m] |
| 13:15 | :-D | |
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| 13:45 | marcelr | o/ |
| 13:45 | kidclamp: new patch on bug 31908, please test | |
| 13:45 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31908 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Context accessed but not always set on mainpage.pl |
| 13:48 | marcelr | the bug title could still improve btw |
| 13:56 | title changed bug 31908 | |
| 13:56 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31908 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , New login fails while having cookie from previous session |
| 13:57 | caroline | ashimema, I just came in, what's up? |
| 13:57 | ashimema | I was going to ask about merging in the erm docs we've written |
| 13:58 | Lucy is keen to help refine them but to do so following the standard process she needs the automated stuff I created merged.. would it be ok for me to merge that and then she can clean up on top? | |
| 13:58 | caroline | sure no problem |
| 13:59 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 14:05 | I also wanted to ask you about images.. | |
| 14:05 | is there a reason we do it the way we do ? | |
| 14:06 | i.e. rather than referencing them directly we add them to another file that lists a tonne of images and then reference that? | |
| 14:06 | with an alias.. I don't really understand it.. | |
| 14:16 | caroline | No idea. It was like this when I started and it never was explained... I thought it was to be able to reuse the same image in various places, but the way it was done the same image had different aliases (I've been trying to consolidate those and also the one that are *almost* the same) |
| 14:18 | ashimema | interesting |
| 14:18 | I don't really see any cases where we use the same image twice.. but I've probably just not been looking very hard | |
| 14:18 | feels a little odd to need to reference an image twice.. I'd imagine it would be better to crosslink to the definitive description of whatever it was the image is showing | |
| 14:19 | caroline | I've seen some cases but there aren't that many. |
| 14:19 | ashimema | well.. the erm merge I just did does it a little differently.. and that's something we're working to get more community like.. |
| 14:19 | at the moment it just direct links to the images and skips the images.rst file bit entirely | |
| 14:20 | that's how the automated google doc to rst conversion spat it out. | |
| 14:21 | ooh.. thanks for taking on the tools > cataloging manual change.. | |
| 14:21 | I had entirely not thought about that | |
| 14:22 | caroline | I was doing that while in a conference last week (#sorrynotsorry but not all talks were interesting lol) |
| 14:23 | ashimema | hehe |
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| 14:27 | caroline | For the images thing, maybe ask ppl who were there at the beginning? I know nicole is the one who did most of the manual at first, maybe someone who worked with her would know |
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| 14:35 | ashimema | Nicole I think isn't likely to know.. I think it's a relic from migrating from another software tool she used.. |
| 14:35 | I'll ask around | |
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| 14:36 | ashimema | I just added another mockup to bug 31759 if people are interested.. not sure how to achieve it but I like the look |
| 14:36 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Tabs vs Pills |
| 15:18 | oleonard | I like that one ashimema |
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| 15:25 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 15:25 | do you think it's achievable? | |
| 15:25 | oleonard | ashimema: However... |
| 15:25 | ashimema | my brain stalled when I tried.. |
| 15:26 | oleonard | Not good on a white background... https://snipboard.io/g3579J.jpg |
| 15:26 | ashimema | jhaha.. there's always a but |
| 15:26 | ah.. yes | |
| 15:26 | damn | |
| 15:26 | so needs thinking about for the nesting case | |
| 15:26 | grr | |
| 15:27 | this feels like another case of perhaps we should be rethinking support for nesting such an element | |
| 15:27 | * ashimema | contemplates for a moment |
| 15:28 | oleonard | Another example of tabs within a container: https://snipboard.io/t6JvbK.jpg |
| 15:30 | ashimema | perhaps leave them as is when inside a container... come back to it later.. but do the case where there not inside a container here? |
| 15:30 | cait | could we mabe break that up into several sections? |
| 15:30 | we do that on hte advanced search | |
| 15:30 | ashimema | yeah.. for that one I reckon we can |
| 15:31 | not so sure about the first one oleonard highlights | |
| 15:32 | oleonard | The holds page probably doesn't need the <fieldset> wrapper at all |
| 15:33 | cait | sorry, still catching up |
| 15:33 | hm hte holds one a little more difficult ok... | |
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| 15:47 | oleonard | Now I'm having second thoughts about the lack of contrast between the white of the tab and the page background |
| 15:55 | * ashimema | just wondered if nesting should invert the background.. |
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| 15:55 | ashimema | so it uses card but if it's nested we switch from white to the grey background... |
| 15:55 | I kinda hate that idea now I've written it down.. lol | |
| 15:56 | lukeg | hi |
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| 15:59 | oleonard | https://snipboard.io/r8CwSI.jpg |
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| 16:00 | marcelr | cu later |
| 16:08 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:13 | tcohen | oleonard around? |
| 18:13 | oleonard | Yes |
| 19:33 | mtj | hi caroline, we used a tool oxygenxml for the older versions of the manual |
| 19:33 | https://www.oxygenxml.com/xml_editor.html | |
| 19:33 | caroline | mtj is that what made it necessary to have images in one seperate file? |
| 19:36 | mtj | caroline: hmm.. i think its probable |
| 19:37 | caroline | interesting, so it's an historical thing that we're bringing forward. It might not be necessary anymore... |
| 19:37 | We'd have to talk with davidnind see what he thinks | |
| 19:38 | I'll try to catch him later | |
| 19:38 | ashimema, your proposal was just to have them directly in the text? | |
| 19:38 | mtj | caroline: can you show me an example in the git repo? |
| 19:39 | caroline | mtj sure! |
| 19:39 | Here is the file with all the images https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]mages.rst?plain=1 | |
| 19:40 | and if you go in any other file, you'll see the include at the top and the aliases in the text example https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ation.rst?plain=1 | |
| 19:40 | line 1 of circulation.rst for the include and line 46 for the alias | |
| 19:41 | ashimema | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]source/images.rst |
| 19:41 | Lol, caroline beat me | |
| 19:42 | So we link to a link in a file that links to a ln image in a file | |
| 19:42 | I'm not close enough to sphinx to really understand why we're doing what we're doing . | |
| 19:43 | caroline | I thought maybe it was to "load" the images once, but when I build locally and there is an image error, it pops up for every chapter |
| 19:43 | So it seems the images are loaded every time there is the include | |
| 19:43 | mtj | aah, thats a rst/sphinx thing, not related to older oxygen |
| 19:43 | caroline | or maybe not loaded but checked at least |
| 19:44 | ashimema | But when I use pandoc to convert a docx to rst (with the extract images options, it just links images from a directory directly. |
| 19:44 | I still think we need alt text and stuff.. but I get the distinct feeling it would all be a bit simpler to do inline in the file your working in rather than the big list file | |
| 19:45 | See the eRM chapter that got merged today for that approach | |
| 19:45 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]56c29bf96e2801e99 | |
| 19:45 | caroline | the current method is a nightmare for merges and rebases |
| 19:47 | ashimema | I wonder if rangi knows.. I have a feeling there was a reason at the time we migrated from doxygen to rst |
| 19:50 | mtj | ashimema: it seems the images.rst file defines an 'alias' for each image |
| 19:51 | ..if you plan on using the image many times in your document, you can use the image's alias instead | |
| 19:52 | caroline | the instances where an image is used many times are very rare afaik |
| 19:53 | mtj | https://github.com/MarkHoeber/[…]age-substitutions |
| 19:54 | oops, rst calls them 'Substitutions', not aliases | |
| 19:55 | caroline: ok, so images are not technically required to be added to the images.rst file | |
| 19:58 | ashimema | https://sublime-and-sphinx-gui[…]atest/images.html |
| 19:58 | I was just reading similar | |
| 19:58 | I'd suggest we're making things overly complex up front | |
| 19:58 | caroline | mtj, I don't think so, but I thought there might have been a reason |
| 19:59 | I honestly never questioned it, except when I get rebases with images and that's when I rage about it lol | |
| 19:59 | ashimema | We should just use images in the simple form and only transplant them into a substitution in perhaps a shared_images.rst later if we decide to use said image in multiple places |
| 19:59 | mtj | ashimema: i think would be ok ^ |
| 20:00 | caroline | I don't think that would even be necessary for the couple of images that are used twice |
| 20:00 | just copy paste the line where you want it and that's it | |
| 20:00 | ashimema | Well.. we've always added them this way.. as substitutions.. there are no real hard guidelines to our rst procedures.. we've just done what has been done before us |
| 20:00 | mtj | perhaps a script that updated images.rst before a release |
| 20:01 | caroline | There are some guidelines https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]-_Tips_and_Tricks |
| 20:01 | mtj | ..or split the images.rst update into a temp file, to be manually merged |
| 20:01 | ashimema | Yeah, but they were built from what we already had seen done.. rather than thought about independently |
| 20:01 | mtj | (like how we handle koha database updates) |
| 20:01 | ashimema | Why bother with an images.rst file at all? |
| 20:02 | caroline | oh definitely, I wouldn't want to reinvent the wheel all the time. If what has been done so far works, it works |
| 20:03 | ashimema | Except it's a bit if a pain... Especially with merge conflicts or if trying to use pandoc to convert from other formats |
| 20:03 | Our team here seems to like drafting in Google docs (it's sooooo much easier to write simple docs in).. then they spend hours converting.. I'm using pandoc to turn Google docs to rst markup | |
| 20:04 | But... This particular bit with images doesn't convert nicely.. it takes loads of manual intervention if I want to put them into our images.rst file and then use substitutions instead | |
| 20:04 | Anywho... | |
| 20:09 | mtj | i think a good rule could be... if you refer to an image twice, use an alias in the image.rst |
| 20:09 | caroline | I'm all for optimizing, but we definitely should include davidnind in the discussion as he is DM right now |
| 20:10 | I feel bad talking about while he is (hopefully!) sleeping after having stayed up all night testing patches | |
| 20:11 | (jk, I don't know his schedule, but he seems around at all hours, except now lol) | |
| 20:12 | ashimema | We'd definitely run it past david |
| 20:12 | Hugs | |
| 20:12 | mtj | caroline: no probs, there are a few options here :0) |
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| 20:24 | caroline | @later tell davidnind Hey David, can you read this discussion I had with ashimema and mtj and let us know your thoughts? http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-11-08#i_2460668 |
| 20:24 | huginn` | caroline: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:25 | caroline | do I need to ping him with the [m] too or both work? |
| 20:25 | ashimema | :D |
| 20:27 | caroline | @later tell davidnind[m] Hey David, can you read this discussion I had with ashimema and mtj and let us know your thoughts? http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-11-08#i_2460668 |
| 20:27 | huginn` | caroline: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:28 | caroline | just in case... |
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