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| 02:35 | tcohen | @later tell cait you're not using docker compose v2 |
| 02:35 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:37 | thd | tcohen: Are you awake and possibly available? |
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| 06:03 | jajm | tcohen: i just rebased all patches (only 1 minor conflict), it should apply nicely |
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| 06:08 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:15 | dcook | Whoa people are awake.. |
| 06:15 | * dcook | thinks that tcohen also never sleeps |
| 06:24 | ashimema | Morning |
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| 06:54 | alex_ | Bonjour |
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| 08:40 | domm[m] | Is ElasticSearch 7 suppported by a Koha release? if not yet, will it be in 22.11? I know that it works, but I cannot figure out from Bug 25439 if ES7 is already in master |
| 08:40 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25439 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch 7 - ES7 |
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| 10:19 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 10:20 | ashimema around? | |
| 10:22 | ashimema | hi |
| 10:29 | oleonard | I'm trying to test Bug 30200 so I can add a follow-up and it's not working for me |
| 10:29 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30200 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , Add customizable tabs to interlibrary loan requests list |
| 10:31 | ashimema | go on |
| 10:31 | oleonard | ashimema: Did you test using sample data and the example configuration in the bug report? |
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| 10:31 | ashimema | good question.. |
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| 10:32 | ashimema | I think I used a backend I already had installed.. |
| 10:32 | it was a little while ago.. haha.. anything further back than a few days and my brain has lost it.. | |
| 10:32 | are you having issues? | |
| 10:33 | oleonard | It either doesn't work or it breaks the DataTable, depending on my testing steps. I'll try again with the sample data. |
| 10:34 | ashimema | ☹️ |
| 10:34 | oleonard | (we should have ILL enabled by default in the sample data!) |
| 10:35 | ashimema | yes... I agree |
| 10:35 | but that would also entail having a backend installed | |
| 10:35 | oleonard | "Uncaught TypeError: can't access property "name", row.capabilities[row.status] is undefined" |
| 10:35 | ashimema | I really want to dig back into ILL some time. |
| 10:36 | that doesn't look good at all | |
| 10:37 | I can try in a k-t-d from scratch if you like.. | |
| 10:37 | help with narrowing it down. | |
| 10:39 | oleonard | Well hang on... |
| 10:39 | Master doesn't like that data from the test plan either, same error. | |
| 10:39 | ashimema | oh.. |
| 10:39 | that's not good | |
| 10:40 | oleonard | I'll do some more digging |
| 10:43 | ashimema | ah... |
| 10:43 | is that coming from ysearch use by any chance | |
| 10:43 | I think a bunch of backends need updating for some changes in core recently | |
| 10:44 | it rings a bell | |
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| 10:45 | oleonard | ashimema: I'm using FreeForm. Does that matter? |
| 10:46 | ashimema | shouldn't do.. that's the one I tend to use for testing too |
| 10:56 | oleonard | Okay, Koha doesn't like it when you change an ILL request's status directly via the db. Should something be updated beyond the illrequests table? |
| 10:56 | ashimema | erm... |
| 10:57 | this is where my ILL knowledge dries up I'm afraid | |
| 10:57 | oleonard | It's weird... if I change a request's status via the interface it doesn't break, but if I change it in the db it does. |
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| 10:58 | oleonard | HOWEVER... Either way Bug 30200 isn't working for me... Even if the DataTable isn't broken the tabs don't work. |
| 10:58 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30200 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , Add customizable tabs to interlibrary loan requests list |
| 10:58 | oleonard | I'll post my findings to the bug report |
| 10:58 | * oleonard | crying, All I wanted to do was update the tabs to Bootstrap :( |
| 11:02 | ashimema | thanks oleonard.. |
| 11:03 | I bet there's a rebase issue somewhere in it ☹️ | |
| 11:03 | or rather.. just master has moved | |
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| 11:21 | marcelr | o/ |
| 11:22 | @later tell tcohen: please check 30571 again (only last patch) | |
| 11:22 | huginn` | marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:23 | marcelr | bug 12758 for anyone, qa team ? |
| 11:23 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12758 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Failure when loading or parsing XSLT stylesheets over HTTPS |
| 11:23 | marcelr | qa team |
| 11:23 | qa team? | |
| 11:23 | wahanui | qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way |
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| 11:25 | marcelr | qa_team |
| 11:26 | qa_team? | |
| 11:26 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook |
| 11:26 | marcelr | that was the one |
| 11:35 | tcohen | o/ |
| 11:35 | marcelr | \o |
| 12:16 | thx tcohen | |
| 12:43 | tcohen | thx to you, marcelr |
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| 13:59 | tuxayo | Hi #koha :) |
| 14:01 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 12 October 2022 | |
| 14:01 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 14:01:36 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:01 | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_12_october_2022' | |
| 14:01 | tuxayo | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_12_October_2022 Today's agenda |
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| 14:02 | tuxayo | #topic Introductions |
| 14:02 | ashimema | not sure it'll help or not oleonard.. but we updated all our ill backends today for 21.11 compatability: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha-ill-freeform |
| 14:02 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Empire |
| 14:02 | ashimema | ooop |
| 14:02 | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe | |
| 14:02 | * tuxayo | is starting to get paid for Koha work! |
| 14:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:03 | * ashimema | is currently going through CV's.. PTFS-E are hiring. |
| 14:03 | tuxayo | Great to hear that your job offer got candidates :) |
| 14:04 | rmaints? | |
| 14:04 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | qa_team? |
| 14:04 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook |
| 14:04 | nugged | #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
| 14:05 | tuxayo | #topic Announcements |
| 14:05 | Anything to announce that doesn't fit better the other topics? | |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | #info, Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:06 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:06 | lukeg | #info, Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:06 | tuxayo | nugged: maybe you can quickly sum up the stuff you said in the other meeting slot two week again for the people that weren't there at this time slot. |
| 14:07 | Or i can just post the link to the logs were you started informing us about next KohaCan last time: http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-09-28#i_2452713 | |
| 14:08 | *KohaCon | |
| 14:08 | Moving on? | |
| 14:08 | nugged | yes |
| 14:08 | so - we confirmed the dates, | |
| 14:08 | ashimema | excellent |
| 14:08 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 14:08 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum |
| 14:09 | nugged | and last Friday I personally inspected booked "rooms" in University building |
| 14:09 | Dates: | |
| 14:09 | (CONFIRMED) 14-16 August 2023 (14-18 with workshops and extras). | |
| 14:09 | recommended trip: Sat 12 Aug .. Sun 20 Aug. | |
| 14:09 | as said here: | |
| 14:09 | https://bit.ly/PerlKohaCon_welcome | |
| 14:09 | tuxayo | nugged++ |
| 14:09 | nugged | some FAQ section updated because of Perl Community requests |
| 14:10 | but I still working with Perl Community part. Allowed to their Slack now not as Guest but member & will have announce talk maybe (I am trying and doing my best) no later next week | |
| 14:10 | to start those movements as well | |
| 14:11 | then I'll start coming to bigger players to ask for participation (PTFS-E, BibBlibre, of course ByWater, so on) and our Core team members, getting some feedback and coordination | |
| 14:11 | I _hope_ through october having full agreements/OKs & form up the final plan and start work on ogra- steps on December. | |
| 14:12 | * ashimema | has added it to the Koha Calendar now |
| 14:12 | nugged | If anyone of you already know some gathering (Perl or Koha or Library-IT related where it's good for me to come and announce the Conference) – tell me please, I will be glad (Zoom/etc) |
| 14:12 | I mean - I will come with talk on meetings you will have so if someone already can propose some to me - PM me. | |
| 14:13 | then - let's say - let's put in meeting schedule my report once more in here in IRC on our next IRC meeting. | |
| 14:13 | kidclamp | :q |
| 14:13 | tuxayo | «Should Perl people be concerned about "Koha" everywhere? NO. You won't get bored if you don't want to get around Koha» |
| 14:13 | Ha ha ha. Great, we don't want to scare people with book stuff :P They might end up sucked into Koha anyway. He he he. | |
| 14:14 | nugged | Final thing: yes, I want to be as much as possible visitors from Perl world, as well from Koha world, even if those are non-crossed entities (we will work on that further :) ) |
| 14:14 | ashimema | excellent |
| 14:14 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 14:14 | tuxayo | Great information page! |
| 14:14 | nugged | (final thing cont): so I am asking all to prep to VISIT Helsinki! :) Beer & fun from me guaranteed! :) |
| 14:14 | that's it for now. | |
| 14:15 | PM me for any more you want me to do on this or ideas. | |
| 14:15 | tuxayo | Thanks the update! |
| 14:15 | nugged | ashimema: and yes, we should put "PTFS-E" HR booth there in lobby as well as others. |
| 14:15 | tuxayo | «heal post-covid anthropophobia and huggophobia.» |
| 14:15 | 🤗++ | |
| 14:16 | Moving on if nothing to add. | |
| 14:16 | nugged | Yes, I want us to make something really impressive and unusual. Will lay all my extra time on that. |
| 14:16 | yes. Moving further. | |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | ++ |
| 14:16 | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.11) | |
| 14:17 | Is El tcohen around? | |
| 14:17 | ashimema | he was a moment ago |
| 14:18 | thd | He has been very busy. |
| 14:18 | kidclamp | one sec, we distracted him |
| 14:18 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 14:18 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi |
| 14:18 | hi all <.< | |
| 14:18 | tuxayo | tcohen: 🎙️ |
| 14:18 | hi ^o^ | |
| 14:18 | tcohen | re-reading, sorry |
| 14:19 | Hi all, I'm back from a short vacation | |
| 14:20 | I've been pushing a lot, and I'm about to push the 'staff revamp' | |
| 14:20 | so we have time to fix things | |
| 14:20 | tuxayo | > I'm about to push the 'staff revamp' |
| 14:20 | wooooow 🤩🤩🤩🤩 | |
| 14:20 | tcohen | I want bug 31378 in, and more eyes are needed tehre |
| 14:20 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31378 new feature, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Needs Signoff , Add a generic OAuth2/OIDC client implementation |
| 14:20 | tuxayo | team++ |
| 14:22 | tcohen | bug 26635 should be in too, I will focus on that the rest of the week, as it is a blocker for serious API usage |
| 14:22 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26635 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, In Discussion , Expand authorised values in REST API call |
| 14:22 | ashimema | tcohen++ |
| 14:22 | tcohen | #action khall offered to restore progress bars if peple file bugs, depending on bug 31666 for that |
| 14:22 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31666 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Add job progress bar to stage-marc-import.pl |
| 14:23 | nugged | > and more eyes are needed tehre |
| 14:23 | <tcohen> - I'll get back Slava to it to check too. | |
| 14:23 | ashimema | khall++ |
| 14:23 | tcohen | khall++ |
| 14:24 | About ERM: I'm in talks with PTFS-e and ByWater about that. | |
| 14:24 | it has a chance as an opt-in experimental feature imho | |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | Talks about what? ^^" |
| 14:24 | tcohen | about the progress and the state it is at |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | Great! |
| 14:24 | tcohen | i.e. if it is gonna be pushable soon |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | Ah yes! |
| 14:25 | thd | khall++ # verbose console output is the best progress bar |
| 14:25 | tcohen | jonathan had concerns about some decisions he made on vue integration |
| 14:25 | * ashimema | has been working through the erm code the past few days.. generally happy with what I see.. |
| 14:25 | tcohen | which are legit and need to be considered, that's why it is important that PTFS hired someone to pick and continue that work |
| 14:25 | tuxayo | > an opt-in experimental feature imho |
| 14:25 | For a new and independent module that seems safe. | |
| 14:25 | ashimema | few little fixes here and there.. |
| 14:26 | but.. I'm no vue expert.. that's where we fall down.. none of us are really... so it makes it hard to guide/advise/review | |
| 14:26 | but.. it does all feel pretty solid from my perspective at the moment | |
| 14:27 | tcohen | ptfs++ |
| 14:27 | Joubu++ | |
| 14:27 | bywater++ | |
| 14:27 | tuxayo | > I'm no vue expert.. that's where we fall down.. none of us are really |
| 14:27 | If stuff still makes sense without being an expert, that great. It means it won't be much of an entry barrier. | |
| 14:27 | tcohen | #action tcohen will send an email with release dates this week, won't differ from usual release dates |
| 14:28 | this time there are lots of strings for sure, with big refactoring on templates, but it is just a guess | |
| 14:28 | tuxayo | > PTFS hired someone to pick and continue that work |
| 14:28 | ptfs++ | |
| 14:29 | * tuxayo | promises they won't submit massive string changes this time. |
| 14:29 | tuxayo | (at the last moment) |
| 14:29 | tcohen | heh |
| 14:29 | tuxayo++ # translatability | |
| 14:30 | tuxayo | I still will do something about the breadcrumb strings at some point. |
| 14:30 | tcohen | questions for the RM? |
| 14:30 | tuxayo bug 31670 | |
| 14:30 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31670 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, isobel.graham09, NEW , Fix inconsistency with breadcrumbs in the Patrons module |
| 14:30 | tcohen | cait++ # always |
| 14:31 | tuxayo | That could be done at the same time. Thanks tcohen, I'm noting it my "notes for follow up patches" |
| 14:32 | ashimema | breadcrumbs are a mess.. I have no idea if my daughter will get a let up at school though to take a look.. might grab them myself if she doesn't |
| 14:32 | isobel.graham09 = ashimema's daughter 😜 | |
| 14:33 | tuxayo | he he |
| 14:33 | tcohen | isobel++ |
| 14:33 | tuxayo | isobel++ |
| 14:33 | Send congrats for the nice patches in the last months. | |
| 14:33 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 14:34 | rmaints? | |
| 14:34 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
| 14:34 | tuxayo | rmaint? |
| 14:34 | wahanui | it has been said that rmaint is definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others. |
| 14:34 | tuxayo | I have some catch up before string freeze. And some requested patch to monitor if they come upstream. |
| 14:35 | *patches | |
| 14:35 | Not much to add otherwise | |
| 14:36 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 14:36 | qa_team? | |
| 14:36 | wahanui | rumour has it qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook |
| 14:37 | tuxayo | Tomorrow, patch testing session with french speakers. Crossing finger. I also have to send a poll for an English speaking session quick. |
| 14:37 | oleonard | tuxayo++ |
| 14:37 | ashimema | tuxayo++ |
| 14:38 | doing a great job getting more people onboard tuxayo | |
| 14:38 | qa wise.. I've been a bit low on numbers recently.. just overly busy | |
| 14:38 | marcelr++ and cait++ for picking up the slack so it's not so noticable | |
| 14:39 | tcohen | tuxayo++ |
| 14:39 | tuxayo | Any additional hints for channels to reach librarians and system librarians using Koha? (Internationally) I addition to the general list and Koha US list. |
| 14:39 | ashimema | QA emails have been taking a difference approach of late.. highlighting nice things that have gone in to help motivate the team.. cait++ |
| 14:40 | tuxayo | > great job getting more people onboard tuxayo |
| 14:40 | Still not sure about that, but the potential is definitely here. | |
| 14:40 | ashimema | there's also now more sections.. old bugs, interesting bugs and bad bugs.. not always present in every email.. but cait is generally doing great things. |
| 14:40 | tuxayo | Need to keep going |
| 14:40 | marcelr | tuxayo Koha user group in NL/BE |
| 14:41 | cait++ | |
| 14:41 | tuxayo | marcelr: yes, that's what we need! I'll ping you about that later. |
| 14:41 | ashimema | there isn't really a single user group in the UK.. there are a few that are just getting up and running.. but not ready for contributing much yet.. |
| 14:41 | marcelr | sure |
| 14:42 | ashimema | coms channels aren't yet disassociated from ptfs-e.. we're trying to wean them off of us and make them more independant basically. |
| 14:43 | marcelr | coms? |
| 14:43 | ashimema | communications |
| 14:43 | tuxayo | communications I guess |
| 14:43 | I'll keep ccing you ashimema and people from Interleaf to relay messages. | |
| 14:43 | Moving on? | |
| 14:44 | ashimema | ta |
| 14:44 | tuxayo | #topic Status of roadmap projects |
| 14:44 | https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap | |
| 14:46 | tcohen | we already talked about most of it on the RM section |
| 14:46 | tuxayo | thd, tcohen: news about the wiki? |
| 14:46 | tcohen | the only thing that I didn't mention is thd's wiki migration |
| 14:46 | that is blocked because of my own lack of time | |
| 14:46 | thd++ | |
| 14:46 | thd | tcohen and I have been missing times when we are both not too busy or sleepy to connect a customised MediaWiki Canasata to Koha infrastructure . |
| 14:46 | tuxayo | Everyone needs rest from time to time :) |
| 14:47 | tcohen | thd: do you think we can defer the ES stuff for after the migration? |
| 14:47 | thd | I tried stalking tcohen yesterday but that was not nice. |
| 14:47 | tcohen | or you think we shuold do it all together? |
| 14:47 | thd | ElasticSearch is the easy part. |
| 14:47 | tcohen | ok |
| 14:48 | thd | The whole wiki indexes in 5 min. with 1 GB RAM. |
| 14:48 | tcohen | #action tcohen and thd will arrange a date in the next few days |
| 14:48 | ashimema | ++ |
| 14:48 | it all feels sooooo close | |
| 14:49 | thd | It supports good customisations with extensions depending on ElasticSearch which I have customised. |
| 14:49 | ashimema | 22.11 is uber close too.. yikes.. |
| 14:49 | * ashimema | just made the realisation |
| 14:49 | marcelr | feel the freeze |
| 14:49 | tcohen | heh |
| 14:49 | tuxayo | > 22.11 is uber close too |
| 14:49 | Yes, not enough time to rebase and finish a dev of mine T_T still gonna do it like it's possible so at last the thing is submitted. | |
| 14:50 | ashimema | there's never enough time :(.. |
| 14:50 | thd | ElasticSearch does not seem to be a problem when it can be so easily reindexed if with few resources if anything goes wrong. |
| 14:50 | tcohen | thd: I only asked because it is just another moving piece adding complexity to the migration |
| 14:51 | but we will sort it out, for sure | |
| 14:51 | tuxayo: moving on? | |
| 14:51 | tuxayo | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 14:52 | thd | I have tamed it with a special script for reindexing and customised Extensions such as AdvancedSearch which depend on ElasticSearch. |
| 14:52 | tuxayo | «tcohen to schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together» |
| 14:52 | tcohen | damn :-D |
| 14:53 | tuxayo | #action tcohen to schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together |
| 14:53 | tcohen | nugged and team started that, and we got distracted by other urgent stuffs |
| 14:54 | tuxayo | #action cait /Katrin to update LTS wiki page with current information from last dev meeting |
| 14:54 | Page not updated. And Katrin sent apologies for not being able to attend today. | |
| 14:54 | «ashimema will file a bug making Koha::Object::public_read_list throw an exception » | |
| 14:54 | nugged | tcohen: that means - one more "re-start" day for CSRF? (me: yes, if so). |
| 14:54 | tuxayo | «Not required, see commit: https://git.koha-community.org[…]f93766ecc6da11216» |
| 14:54 | ashimema | I commented.. we decided it wasn't required |
| 14:54 | tuxayo | So that's done :) |
| 14:55 | ashimema | yup 🙂 |
| 14:55 | tuxayo | «tcohen draft proposal for master→main change and draft of action list » |
| 14:55 | tcohen | I haven't had the chance to review Joubu's proposal to shrink the repo, which was part of the plan |
| 14:56 | ashimema | one for next cycle now I reckon |
| 14:56 | georgew joined #koha | |
| 14:56 | tcohen | I would like to be able to talk to Joubu about that plan |
| 14:56 | ashimema | especially with Joubu out for now.. he had dug a lot in that area |
| 14:56 | tcohen | before moving forward |
| 14:57 | ashimema | agreed |
| 14:57 | I think we can live one more cycle | |
| 14:57 | tcohen | what ashimema said |
| 14:57 | tuxayo | tcohen: I have a side proposal: run on our git server `git gc --prune=now --aggressive` locally it skrink my repo down to 700 MiB |
| 14:57 | Hopefully that will do the same and will affect the download size | |
| 14:58 | tcohen | tuxayo: I think we have that cron-ed |
| 14:58 | ashimema | I believe so |
| 14:58 | tcohen | Joubu's proposal had to do with removing translations from the main repo |
| 14:58 | which take most of the (historically) used space | |
| 14:58 | tuxayo | Great! Yikes it would be much worse without that cron then. |
| 14:59 | > which take most of the (historically) used space | |
| 14:59 | ++ | |
| 14:59 | ashimema | we shoudl probably encourage shallow clones.. but I'd need to remind myself how they work before recommending it. |
| 14:59 | tcohen | I've gotta run |
| 14:59 | tuxayo | When to ask again about the master→main thing? |
| 14:59 | tcohen | shallow clones take server's CPU |
| 15:00 | ashimema | ah.. ok |
| 15:00 | tcohen | tuxayo: right after the release |
| 15:00 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:00 | tuxayo | tcohen: CPU: Not for very long I guess? |
| 15:00 | tcohen | we need to measure it, for sure |
| 15:00 | ashimema | next topic? |
| 15:00 | tcohen | we could encourage people to pull from Gitlab as well |
| 15:01 | tuxayo | #action tcohen [WAIT after 21.11 release] draft proposal for master→main change and draft of action list |
| 15:01 | «thd give their two cents on bug 31150 in order to tilt the scale to on side.» | |
| 15:01 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31150 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , _on or _date for DB date columns? |
| 15:02 | tuxayo | «to tilt the scale to on side» <= I failed english XD it was late for my defence |
| 15:02 | marcelr | or or xor |
| 15:02 | tuxayo | Moving one, it was just a minor reminder for thd |
| 15:02 | «tuxayo ask on the mailing list « are we supporting MySQL? (either 5.7 or 8.0) - CI only tests MySQL 8 on main/master. » » | |
| 15:02 | Done on koha-devel today | |
| 15:03 | * thd | retracted his perception of ambiguity unless we rename every use to $date_time |
| 15:03 | tuxayo | «tuxayo can for volunteers on the mailing list to «Update coding guidelines with the replacement of jQueryUI Datepicker with flatpickr - introduced in bug 29239. And document the usage in the wiki. cc Aleisha who had trouble with using flatpickr for the detail of what is missing» » |
| 15:03 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Replace jQueryUI's timepicker with flatpickr |
| 15:03 | tuxayo | Done on koha-devel today. |
| 15:04 | «tuxayo maybe create a ticket for updating the guidelines about flatpickr» | |
| 15:04 | bug 31741 | |
| 15:04 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31741 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Update coding guidelines with the replacement of jQueryUI Datepicker with flatpickr |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 15:04 | thd | We merely need some coding guidance that a variable with date only should be $date_only |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | «Bug 31674 - We need a template/guideline around how to consistently form our modals» |
| 15:04 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , We need a template/guideline around how to consistently form our modals |
| 15:05 | ashimema | I raised that one.. whilst reviewing the staff client refresh and whilst working on some other code.m |
| 15:05 | tuxayo | So coding guideline that links to somewhere (to be written) part of the developper handbook with the template? |
| 15:05 | tcohen | gotta leave |
| 15:05 | laters! | |
| 15:05 | ashimema | We are generally really inconsistent with things... We need a style guide for a lot more things.. |
| 15:05 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 15:06 | ashimema | Including examples . |
| 15:06 | oleonard | I can work on some updates to the wiki |
| 15:06 | ashimema | I've already suggested I work on it with oleonard assuming that's still ok oleonard |
| 15:06 | Perfect | |
| 15:06 | wahanui | Perfect is, like, the enemy... (of what I forgot) |
| 15:07 | ashimema | A nice simple modal dialogue for starters.. then another example for a modal that includes a form |
| 15:07 | Those two I think would cover most use cases.. | |
| 15:08 | I would help if we could link to the right bootstrap docs too.. I constantly find myself confused with which bootstrap versions where using where | |
| 15:08 | Anywho.. that's enough explanation for today I reckon | |
| 15:08 | tuxayo | Then this? : #action oleonard ashimema draft in the developer handbook how to form our modals. With template of a simple case and a case with form inside. |
| 15:09 | * ashimema | wants to pick off components one by one for this.. clear guidelines of breadcrumbs would be good too.. tcohen raised that above |
| 15:09 | oleonard | tuxayo: Yes |
| 15:09 | ashimema | Great tuxayo |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | > pick off components one by one for this.. clear guidelines of breadcrumbs would be good |
| 15:09 | Similar to the needs with flatpickr | |
| 15:09 | But for now modals, then | |
| 15:09 | #action oleonard ashimema draft in the developer handbook how to form our modals. With template of a simple case and a case with form inside. | |
| 15:10 | «git-bz is stuck on Python 2 which went end of life on January 1st 2020.. should we start to consider alternatives? » | |
| 15:10 | ashimema | This is a bigger discussion.. maybe postpone it . |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | Python2 It's still in Debian and Ubuntu but for example Arch dropped it. Now it's an unofficial package harder to install. |
| 15:10 | Ok | |
| 15:10 | oleonard | +1 postpone |
| 15:11 | ashimema | With tcohen gone and me about to go.. it's something we can consider during the next cycle again |
| 15:11 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo postpone «git-bz is stuck on Python 2 which went end of life on January 1st 2020.. should we start to consider alternatives?» |
| 15:11 | nugged | git-bz related: we use own patched version |
| 15:11 | to be Py3 compatible | |
| 15:11 | tuxayo | !!! |
| 15:12 | nugged: please publish it somewhere! :D | |
| 15:12 | ashimema | Oh nice.. submit that patch to Koha ;) |
| 15:12 | thd | Python 2 forever :) |
| 15:12 | ashimema | That would make me very happy |
| 15:12 | tuxayo | lol |
| 15:12 | nugged | that what I also wanted to ask because we thought everyone on P2 and only we "kill it everywhere in MacOSes :)" |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | merge requests welcome ^^ : https://gitlab.com/koha-community/git-bz |
| 15:13 | nugged | good |
| 15:13 | we'll put our draft for critics tomorrow | |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | > kill it everywhere in MacOSes |
| 15:13 | ? | |
| 15:13 | ashimema | We can always advice on using the right branch for your distro if we're worried about breaking back compat |
| 15:14 | nugged | tuxayo: there's no P2 anymore in some environments |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | yes, that's the problem |
| 15:14 | nugged | ok noted, changes will be proposed. |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | > because we thought everyone on P2 |
| 15:14 | Every Linux distro ships with a P3 install in parallel of P2 | |
| 15:15 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 15:15 | thd | There are still major enterprise programs at big businesses running Python 2. |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | nugged: thanks again |
| 15:15 | « SQL8 of our coding guidelines state that SQL should not be in .pl, but should be in the module in C4 or Koha. This would mean that SQL in the Koha namespace is allowed and there is no mention of DBIC in the coding guidelines right now. » | |
| 15:16 | IIUC, it means only .pm are allowed to have SQL | |
| 15:16 | ashimema | arch python3 is only available in the aur now.. and is slightly challenging to compile due to failing tests |
| 15:16 | but anyway.. a python 3 version of git-bz would be awesome | |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | But DBIC schema file should be also allowlisted. |
| 15:16 | * ashimema | has to runn |
| 15:17 | tuxayo | > arch python3 |
| 15:17 | *arch python2 | |
| 15:17 | > a python 3 version of git-bz would be awesome | |
| 15:17 | ++ | |
| 15:17 | oleonard | I think we'd better wrap it up we keep losing people :D |
| 15:17 | nugged | ++ |
| 15:18 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo postpone «SQL8 of our coding guidelines state that SQL should not be in .pl, but should be in the module in C4 or Koha. This would mean that SQL in the Koha namespace is allowed and there is no mention of DBIC in the coding guidelines right now.» |
| 15:18 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 15:19 | Next meeting for the oceania-americas timeslot has been decided last time. I'll go get it | |
| 15:19 | For next meeting this slot: 16th november? | |
| 15:19 | There will be (and already have been) winter time changed in some countries in the mean time. | |
| 15:20 | oleonard | Is there a need to have more than one between now and the release? |
| 15:20 | tuxayo | > 16th november? |
| 15:20 | 9th, I jumped a week | |
| 15:21 | > Is there a need to have more than one between now and the release? | |
| 15:21 | Since we split in two time slots, we can do that for releases. | |
| 15:22 | oleonard | Anyway... 9th is good for me |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | #info Next meeting: 26 October 2022, 22 UTC |
| 15:22 | That's for oceania-americas | |
| 15:23 | > Anyway... 9th is good for me | |
| 15:23 | Ok, if needed when can do the 2th of november and the 16th | |
| 15:23 | *we can do | |
| 15:24 | * thd | is never awake on the 2th of November. |
| 15:25 | tuxayo | Still planing the 9th then |
| 15:25 | > There will be (and already have been) winter time changed in some countries in the mean time. | |
| 15:25 | So what about 15 UTC? It means 16 in france, 10 new york, 7 in LA | |
| 15:25 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:25 | tuxayo | 12 argentina |
| 15:26 | thd | +1 |
| 15:26 | tuxayo | I never realized part of the US couldn't attend these meetings now. |
| 15:26 | Let's settle for that then | |
| 15:27 | #####info Next Americas-Europe slot meeting: 9 November 2022, 15 UTC | |
| 15:27 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:27 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 15:27:48 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:27 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-10-12-14.01.html | |
| 15:27 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-10-12-14.01.txt | |
| 15:27 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]12-14.01.log.html | |
| 15:27 | tuxayo | Thanks all for attending ^^ |
| 15:27 | oleonard | tuxayo++ |
| 15:28 | Thanks very much for chairing tuxayo | |
| 15:28 | thd | tuxayo++ |
| 15:29 | tuxayo | Do we have more meeting items than in the past? I recall it was rare we went over 1h15min and now it's often >_< |
| 15:29 | * thd | may not be awake on the 9th of November this year. The day after election day. |
| 15:29 | tuxayo | And I don't see obvious ways to speed up. |
| 15:30 | caroline | tuxayo, maybe because there are no more regular general meetings so those topics are bumped into the dev meeting? |
| 15:30 | ashimema | Mmm, not sure |
| 15:30 | tuxayo | Ah |
| 15:30 | ashimema | Could be |
| 15:30 | tuxayo | > And I don't see obvious ways to speed up. |
| 15:30 | Except in the end having the stuff with the two meeting slots and timezones calculations ready. | |
| 15:30 | thd | We do have more individual items, actions from previous meetings, etc. than at some point in the past. |
| 15:31 | tuxayo | Good point Caroline |
| 15:31 | thd: ok so there is that. | |
| 15:31 | ashimema | I think there's less general chatter outside of meetings than there used to be too.. so we end up with more chat about things in the meetings because that's when people are around |
| 15:32 | Me goes back to kids duties | |
| 15:32 | thd | There are more items which would not have been in general meetings. |
| 15:32 | tuxayo | > less general chatter outside of meetings than there used to be too |
| 15:32 | I wonder why | |
| 15:33 | thd | Some items carry over longer because people are busy and not available at a particular meeting but we generally defer those quickly. |
| 15:35 | More work that people have to do on Koha keeping them focused outside of IRC and more child care responsibilities which are both good things. | |
| 15:37 | * thd | does less child care because his friends with children moved. But there is always always other extra work and eldercare to take time away from IRC. |
| 15:43 | tuxayo | marcelr: so there is a Koha user group in NL/BE! :D |
| 15:43 | Haven't found it yet after a quick search | |
| 15:51 | I guess I can also relay in the German and Spanish speaking lists. | |
| 15:56 | kidclamp: IIUC, this list is still working but people have shifted to the KohaUS Google Group, is that correct? http://lists.bywatersolutions.[…]pipermail/kohaus/ | |
| 16:00 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:00 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 16:23 | cait joined #koha | |
| 17:16 | lukeg joined #koha | |
| 18:32 | tcohen | oleonard: around? |
| 18:36 | kidclamp | hmmm jzairo would knowo beter than me |
| 18:46 | fridolin joined #koha | |
| 18:53 | tuxayo | thanks, I'll ask them |
| 19:00 | oleonard | kidclamp: jzairo knows if I'm around? |
| 19:00 | kidclamp | she would know about the mailing list, tuxayo |
| 19:00 | it's not always about you oleonard! | |
| 19:01 | tuxayo | lol |
| 19:01 | kidclamp | by which I mean *hugs( |
| 19:01 | tuxayo | The timing of emails was confusing |
| 19:01 | kidclamp | by which I mean *hugs* |
| 19:01 | tuxayo | *messages |
| 19:01 | oleonard | 🤔 |
| 19:22 | tcohen | wait for it |
| 19:23 | \o/ | |
| 19:29 | oleonard | \o/ |
| 19:37 | tcohen | jajm++ |
| 19:37 | oleonard++ | |
| 19:37 | biblibre++ | |
| 19:37 | ashimema++ | |
| 20:19 | ashimema | Holy moly, tomorrow's is going to be cool when I pull master |
| 20:19 | Shiny | |
| 20:19 | tcohen++ | |
| 20:26 | caroline joined #koha | |
| 20:26 | lukeg joined #koha | |
| 20:46 | * tcohen | is stressed by background jobs reliability |
| 20:56 | caroline joined #koha | |
| 21:23 | mtj | new staff theme looks noice |
| 21:24 | domm[m]: you mention ed ES7 support before... | |
| 21:24 | "Is ElasticSearch 7 suppported by a Koha release?" | |
| 21:25 | i think the plan is that ES7 is recommended for the upcoming release (22.11) | |
| 21:28 | ES7 tests are passing on all supported releases, so that looks promising :) | |
| 21:35 | the ES7 patches were added mid-cycle, and its important to not accidentally force users to upgrade from ES6 to ES7 | |
| 21:40 | koha 22.11 will be using the ES7 version of libsearch-elasticsearch-perl by default (7.715) | |
| 21:43 | currently you get the version of libsearch-elasticsearch-perl supplied by your OS' debian repo | |
| 21:46 | so short version.. you should be able to run ES7 on all koha versions | |
| 21:47 | you'll just need to make sure you have libsearch-elasticsearch-perl 7.* installed | |
| 21:48 | which comes with debian stable ... https://packages.debian.org/bu[…]lasticsearch-perl | |
| 21:48 | libsearch-elasticsearch-perl (7.30-1) | |
| 21:50 | so, if you install any koha+es7 on debian stable, you are good :) | |
| 22:39 | dcook: is bug 17704 ready to go? | |
| 22:39 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17704 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Fix OAI breakage when using HTTP::OAI 4.03+ |
| 22:47 | dcook | mtj: No idea. Last worked on it over 2 years ago. |
| 23:37 | tuxayo | > wait for it |
| 23:37 | OMG it was Bug 30952 | |
| 23:37 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to master , New design for staff interface |
| 23:37 | tuxayo | confetti! |
| 23:37 | wahanui | o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 23:38 | tuxayo | > its important to not accidentally force users to upgrade from ES6 to ES7 |
| 23:38 | > koha 22.11 will be using the ES7 version of libsearch-elasticsearch-perl by default (7.715) | |
| 23:38 | Will this force users to upgrade? | |
| 23:39 | Is that needed? for now 6 and 7 can be supported simultaneously. | |
| 23:39 | mtj ^^^ | |
| 23:45 | mtj | tuxayo: users are supposed to set their ES version, in koha.conf - but many may not have? |
| 23:45 | <elasticsearch> | |
| 23:45 | <client>6_0::Direct</client> | |
| 23:45 | </elasticsearch> | |
| 23:46 | tuxayo | I totally missed that. I though we managed to avoid that. (config) |
| 23:47 | mtj | if you dont have it set... libsearch-elasticsearch-perl will use its default |
| 23:49 | tuxayo | I think I was confused around here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=25669#c27 |
| 23:49 | huginn` | Bug 25669: normal, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, Needs documenting , ElasticSearch 6: [types removal] Specifying types in put mapping requests is deprecated (incompatible with 7) |
| 23:50 | tuxayo | So we avoided the dynamic version check to not have performance issues. And I though we avoided having to set the version in config file also. |
| 23:50 | And that ES 8 would force us to do one of the above but it can wait. | |
| 23:52 | mtj | if you dont have your ES version defined, it seems to 'just work' |
| 23:52 | but its a good idea to have it set explictly | |
| 23:52 | tuxayo | > if you dont have your ES version defined, it seems to 'just work' |
| 23:52 | Regardless of the ES 6 or ES 7? | |
| 23:54 | dcook | bug 31756 |
| 23:54 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31756 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Biblionumber not numerically sorting natively when using Zebra |
| 23:54 | dcook | I'm going to post a patch to that soon but I think it'll be a good one to get into Koha ASAP.. |
| 23:57 | mtj | dcook: the OAI stuuf seems to work with OAI v4,11 |
| 23:58 | dcook | mtj: Sweeeet |
| 23:58 | It probably just fell off my radar in 2020 | |
| 23:59 | mtj | tuxayo: you can see the differences between versions of libsearch-elasticsearch-perl |
| 23:59 | https://metacpan.org/release/E[…]lasticsearch-6.81 | |
| 23:59 | https://metacpan.org/release/E[…]asticsearch-7.717 |
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