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| 00:26 | milktoast joined #koha | |
| 00:28 | milktoast | I just installed my first koha on a physical PC... I got through all steps and now I'm at the web log in page... and I can't log in ... I tried the port 80 and port 8099 |
| 00:29 | have I missed something | |
| 00:29 | tuxayo | milktoast: What do you mean "I can't log in" ? |
| 00:29 | Do you see the form? | |
| 00:29 | Is it staff or OPAC? | |
| 00:29 | milktoast | it says this "Error: Invalid username or password" |
| 00:29 | staff | |
| 00:30 | tuxayo | Have you went through the onboarding process? |
| 00:30 | milktoast | Patron category: staff |
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| 00:32 | tuxayo | milktoast: So you went through the onboarding process, created a staff user and the credentials that you set for it don't work? |
| 00:33 | milktoast | correct |
| 00:34 | I made a copy of all my settings... user, password Card number Patron category Username: koha_library Password | |
| 00:35 | now it just says "Error: Invalid username or password" | |
| 00:36 | library branch was set to "All" | |
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| 00:38 | milktoast_ | anything I can look into to see what is causing this? |
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| 00:42 | tuxayo | milktoast_: That's weird. No idea about the cause. You can drop and recreate the DB and do the onboarding process again. Or check another instance of yours DB, where login works, copy the password field from the borrowers table to your physical Koha and see if it still doesn't work. |
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| 00:42 | tuxayo | milktoast: That's weird. No idea about the cause. You can drop and recreate the DB and do the onboarding process again. Or check another instance of yours DB, where login works, copy the password field from the borrowers table to your physical Koha and see if it still doesn't work. |
| 00:43 | IIRC you already have other Kohas working, so it's would be to crack the access via the DB to copy the password hash from another of your Kohas | |
| 00:43 | milktoast | and I'm on the PC using 127.0.1.1 address |
| 00:44 | tuxayo | If you see the staff login form on the same URL you did the onboarding then it's okay on that side. |
| 00:44 | There is not much that can go wrong if you do the onboarding, create the user and immediately try to log in. | |
| 00:45 | milktoast | yea... thats why I'm hitting my head on a wall |
| 00:46 | I'll look at the DB to see the and copy the password | |
| 00:47 | tuxayo | You can't use the same Koha |
| 00:47 | The password is hashed (thankfully) | |
| 00:47 | That's why you need another Koha where you can log in. And copy the password hash of the user that works. | |
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| 01:21 | milktoast | I'm looking at the DB and the Admin has "null" for user ID and Password |
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| 01:27 | milktoast | I got in by looking at the DB and seeing my user name as MORE than I typed... I thought it was "koha_library" and it ended up being "academymaintenance.maintenance" |
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| 01:39 | milktoast | OK, I'm in... thanks for the help |
| 01:40 | tuxayo | > and it ended up being "academymaintenance.maintenance" |
| 01:40 | userid collumn, right? | |
| 01:40 | > I'm in | |
| 01:40 | Great :D | |
| 01:41 | That's still a mystery about what went wrong with the onboarding that messed the superlibrarian creation | |
| 01:46 | milktoast | agreed |
| 01:47 | only getting in the DB was I able to see my account's ID... | |
| 01:48 | probably just human error | |
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| 06:50 | alex_ | Bonjour |
| 06:54 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 06:56 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:56 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
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| 08:42 | tundunf | hi everyone |
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| 08:45 | tuxayo | Hi all :) |
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| 08:49 | tundunf | might be a silly question, but does anyone know if koha is able to differentiate between standard holds and on-shelf holds? |
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| 09:12 | * cait | waves |
| 09:13 | cait | tundunf: it's all a 'hold' in Koha but there are different workflows |
| 09:13 | if you look at administration > circulation rules, youc an set up if something can be requested while it's on shelf or not if not | |
| 09:14 | on-shelf requests will show up in the 2 hold reports holds queue and holds to pull on the circulation start page - so you can go get them off the shelf for the patrons if your library offers that service | |
| 09:34 | tundunf | Ah I see, sorry I should have been more specific - I was wondering if, in terms of reporting, Koha would distinguish between an onshelf request and a regular hold |
| 09:34 | We've enabled on-shelf requests in the circulation rules but my colleagues are wondering if they would be able to separate them from standard holds when reporting | |
| 09:35 | cait | in reporting probably not, unless you can use something like the itemtype |
| 09:35 | like if you have closed stacks... | |
| 09:35 | but in the requests table you don't have an indicator | |
| 09:38 | tundunf | ok, thanks so much! |
| 09:45 | cait | jajm: around? |
| 09:46 | jajm | cait: yes |
| 09:47 | cait | some trouble with resetting the sandbox - maybe a conflict |
| 09:48 | jajm | ah ok thanks for telling me, rebasing right now :) |
| 09:48 | cait | heh, didn't need to tell the bug, sorry, in between things |
| 09:48 | was trying to see if I coudl test your latest follow-ups | |
| 09:49 | and having a sandbox we can share around for opinions easier | |
| 09:49 | ashimema | tundunf, you might be able to get at that data if you have circulation action logs enabled.. you'd need to compare dates the hold was placed and checkout/checkin dates for the same item.. |
| 09:50 | in short.. it wouldn't be at all trivial 😜 | |
| 09:54 | tundunf | I'll look into it! thank you :) |
| 09:55 | cait | yeah... you could try to track if it was checked in without being checkout out... (picked off the shelf) for triggering the hold, but not easy to write that one |
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| 10:16 | jajm | cait: rebase done |
| 10:24 | ashimema | jajm++ |
| 10:24 | hopefully our feedback is coming across positive.. I'm really liking this and want to get it through 🙂 | |
| 10:24 | you're doing a great job being responsive jajm | |
| 10:26 | jajm | thanks, and yes feedback is really great and positive, so thanks for that too :) |
| 10:42 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 10:49 | cait | I'd really like to get the font issue resolved to a good solution and maybe font size - the most first feedback I heard was it's harder to read/smaller (which is easy to resolve actually I guess, but we need to figure out the how) |
| 10:50 | ashimema++ thx for the diff view patch | |
| 10:50 | ashimema | thought I'd work through a few 😜 |
| 10:50 | boost my numbers | |
| 10:51 | cait | :) |
| 10:51 | ashimema | I looked at the quick add patron one too.. baffled by that code |
| 10:51 | it's weird and confusing to work out what it's doing | |
| 10:51 | all seems to be at template level | |
| 10:51 | cait | yeah, ther are other open issues, but this one is specially bad I think |
| 10:51 | because you might not realize you lost the data | |
| 10:51 | and have empty cardnumbers and such.. no good | |
| 10:52 | ashimema | indeed |
| 10:52 | I couldn't wrap my head around it though.. may revisit later | |
| 10:52 | right now I need to dig back into a sandbox again | |
| 10:53 | cait | tickets for me... but hope to get another look at the sandbox later |
| 10:58 | tcohen | hola #koha |
| 10:59 | * tcohen | got worried about dcook's email, didn't know there was a problem in master |
| 11:01 | cait | jajm: patchs applied now |
| 11:02 | the 880 one? | |
| 11:02 | tcohen | yes |
| 11:02 | hola :-D | |
| 11:02 | cait | it's affecting display in the result list IIUC |
| 11:03 | for original script, it won't display or display not as it should, since the fields are no longer 880 but the 'normal' ones | |
| 11:03 | not so easy to test maybe, I can help with records if needed (we have several libraries with original script) | |
| 11:03 | jajm: latst sandbox attempt has worked :) | |
| 11:04 | https://staff-gui.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ if someone want sto have a look | |
| 11:05 | * ashimema | likes |
| 11:05 | ashimema | walk time.. bbiab |
| 11:11 | tcohen | is the font size... big? |
| 11:11 | things look at bit packed | |
| 11:16 | cait | tcohen: we'd say too small, but it doesn't work well for bold I think |
| 11:16 | the font picked | |
| 11:16 | so if you are looking at results for example | |
| 11:16 | Discussion is here: https://github.com/jajm/koha-s[…]edesign/issues/20 | |
| 11:16 | has screenshot too | |
| 11:20 | oleonard | cait I don't think I followed up with you about it, but I saw the numbers problem too when I looked on Windows |
| 11:20 | I have no idea what's going on there | |
| 11:21 | cait | oleonard: yeah, the coworkers here have it all too - at least that makes it somewhat... consistent |
| 11:21 | I like the idea of using a system font - that might resolve those issues for good? | |
| 11:27 | oleonard | The idea of using a web font is consistency... We know more or less what people are going to get regardless of the platform. Using a common font like Arial offers *some* consistency, but it's not universal. |
| 11:28 | cait | true.... |
| 11:28 | oleonard | Going with a system font would guarantee that all platforms looked different. |
| 11:28 | cait | thinking of screenshots and manuals a systemfont might create inconsistency tehre |
| 11:28 | oleonard | ...and none of that is said with any judgement. I don't know what the right choice is. |
| 11:28 | cait | so maybe we need to pick another font or play witht he font weight? |
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| 11:28 | marcelr | o/ |
| 11:29 | cait | i am open too, but I think the concerns raised are valid and we should address |
| 11:30 | oleonard | Another option is to use the custom font for larger elements, perhaps header elements and headings, and a common or system font for "content" |
| 11:31 | tcohen | it looks really nice with line-height: 20px |
| 11:31 | cait | i like it with Arial |
| 11:31 | :P | |
| 11:32 | marcelr | sounds like a In Discussion :) |
| 11:32 | Calibri++ | |
| 11:32 | tcohen | ROboto++ |
| 11:33 | cait | heh |
| 11:33 | everyone can still chnge...b ut we need to find a nice default | |
| 11:33 | tcohen | it needs to be a serif font for text blocks... sorry... |
| 11:34 | :-P | |
| 11:34 | marcelr | I like nice defaults |
| 11:35 | oleonard | I think there is something to be said for using a custom font for *some* elements at least, to help it look new |
| 11:36 | tcohen | I think buttons and maybe menues could use a nice default font that looks fresh |
| 11:40 | cait | oleonard: i like the idea, i think i had suggested it somewhere too |
| 11:41 | using a different font for headings seems to be done a lot | |
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| 11:44 | marcelr | tcohen: the following crash I have seen since a few days in master (not investigated yet, just observing) |
| 11:44 | DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::mysql::_exec_svp_release(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: SAVEPOINT savepoint_0 does not exist at /usr/share/koha/Koha/Object.pm line 170 at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77 | |
| 11:47 | tcohen | marcelr: interesting, any hints on how to reproduce it? |
| 11:48 | marcelr | no hints whatsoever just suffering :) |
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| 11:49 | marcelr | might be interesting to see if this triggers other people |
| 11:49 | or if i should just reinstall | |
| 11:49 | dump_your_db++ | |
| 11:49 | Kush | Hello Everyone |
| 11:49 | marcelr | o/ |
| 11:50 | Kush | I am new to KOHA and have a little query, hope any of you will help me out. |
| 11:51 | cait | just ask, if someone knows, thery will answer |
| 11:52 | Kush | I just want to know that is it possiblle in KOHA to check deposit money of a patron against the cost of the book which is about to be issued. And if the deposited amount is less than the book cost then check-out must be stopped |
| 11:52 | cait | there is no automatism for htis |
| 11:53 | the price of a book is shown in circulation, but only after it's checked out and there is no system for deposits | |
| 11:53 | marcelr | Nice: The item has not been checked in due to a configuration issue in your system. You must ask an administrator to take a look at the about page and correct all errors shown on the "System information" tab |
| 11:53 | when i go there, there is nothing | |
| 11:53 | Kush | by deposit i mean Caution money deposited by the patron |
| 11:54 | cait | I understood |
| 11:54 | but that#s not possible | |
| 11:54 | i think it's not a very common workflow in most libraries | |
| 11:54 | Kush | :( sad to hear that. its required in my library. |
| 11:55 | in public libraries it is common, | |
| 11:55 | tcohen | Maybe you can develop a plugin that intercepts check-outs |
| 11:55 | cait | maybe depends on the coutnry |
| 11:55 | yes, that might be an idea | |
| 11:56 | tcohen | the deposit could be a credit |
| 11:56 | Kush | I am not into development, so developing aplugin is not an option for me. |
| 11:56 | tcohen | and the plugin would add a hook to compare the book price and the available credit |
| 11:57 | cait | you could do it manually I guess |
| 11:57 | tcohen | and Koha has a payout option, for recording the transaction of giving out money |
| 11:57 | Kush | cant we check membership fee against book cost? |
| 11:57 | cait | at the circulation desk, because you see the total worth of the books checked out and the credit on the account on the same screen |
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| 12:20 | ashimema | oleonard, did I imagine a plan to replace jQuery UI tabs with Bootstrap nav stuff? |
| 12:20 | oleonard | In the header search? |
| 12:21 | * ashimema | is contemplating something along the lines of https://getbootstrap.com/docs/[…]/card/#navigation |
| 12:21 | ashimema | nope |
| 12:21 | for where we use a tabbed section on a page.. like the stuff at the bottom of borrower details pages | |
| 12:21 | cait | ashimema: images on that page are broken for me |
| 12:21 | ashimema | with Checkouts, Holds, Claims etc |
| 12:22 | huh.. images on what page cait? | |
| 12:22 | cait | the link you posted |
| 12:22 | oook, they just took a long while | |
| 12:22 | ashimema | that's just the reference bootstrap docs |
| 12:22 | oleonard | ashimema: I haven't looked at what things are going to look like in Bootstrap 5. we'll skip 4.x |
| 12:23 | ashimema | ah yes |
| 12:23 | * cait | goes back to her inbox |
| 12:23 | ashimema | well.. these happen to look the same in 4 and 5 |
| 12:23 | I always forget what version of bootstrap we're actually using | |
| 12:25 | ah, OK.. that's why we're not using bootstrap cards and instead adding our own card like css | |
| 12:25 | because cards were introduced in 4 | |
| 12:26 | oleonard | Replacing tabs? |
| 12:26 | * ashimema | is still basically debating the proposal vs reality for this mock up: https://docs.google.com/presen[…]Vy0/edit#slide=id.g1155f3a071f_0_161 |
| 12:26 | ashimema | Pills vs Tabs.. I think you raised it |
| 12:27 | maybe it was me | |
| 12:27 | https://github.com/jajm/koha-s[…]edesign/issues/17 | |
| 12:27 | oleonard | I mentioned it on the bug report |
| 12:27 | ashimema | aha.. so we both spotted it.. |
| 12:27 | the tabs, as they stand, feel out of place to me now with the rest of the UI reworking.. | |
| 12:28 | but I'm not sure if Pills are right either | |
| 12:29 | oleonard | I prefer the pills for the redesign, but what's most important to me is that we get some consensus before making the decision |
| 12:29 | ashimema | agreed |
| 12:29 | the consensus here was that the tabs do look out of place right now... but there wasn't a clear opinion on what to replace them with | |
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| 12:30 | cait | I think the dark green border is 'too hard' somehow, too dominant |
| 12:30 | ashimema | agreed |
| 12:31 | cait | the tabs on top are a known element, I also like the look of the 'pills' but not sure yet how I'd describe them writing instructions yet |
| 12:31 | click on... | |
| 12:31 | ashimema | fair |
| 12:32 | cait | kidclamp++ providing patch for the second bad bug from QA mail :) |
| 12:32 | ashimema | nice |
| 12:32 | cait | he took on the quick add |
| 12:32 | ashimema | excellent.. that's the one that scared me.. hehe |
| 12:34 | cait | understandably |
| 12:34 | we ought to check well for side effects I guess | |
| 12:42 | ashimema | yup |
| 12:47 | tcohen | should we hide the top bar/options? and use a menu icon to display them vertically? |
| 12:47 | ashimema | ? |
| 12:48 | tcohen | I've always felt our UI provides too many options |
| 12:48 | oleonard | :( |
| 12:49 | tcohen | it would mean one more click, though |
| 12:49 | having a ||| <- 90º flip on the top left, and display Circulation, Patrons, etc vertically on the left | |
| 12:50 | cait | ? |
| 12:50 | oleonard | Strongly disagree. Librarians are already obsessed with saving clicks. |
| 12:50 | ashimema | I think that's for another day.. |
| 12:50 | tcohen | haha, I supposed |
| 12:51 | ashimema | I've actually considered an iconbar on the left mysql |
| 12:51 | we already have nice 'clear' icons for each module on the mainpage.. we could use those in a collapsible left side column | |
| 12:51 | tcohen | :-D |
| 12:51 | ashimema | kinda like Ubuntu |
| 12:52 | or gmail's more recent UI changes | |
| 12:52 | I was considering working on that.. may have even opened a bug about it already.. can't remember | |
| 12:52 | but I didn't want to do it whilst this UI style change was still in the air a bit | |
| 12:53 | cait | I still don't get it... but collapsable sidebars woudl be nice :) |
| 12:53 | (i just heard collapsable) | |
| 12:54 | ashimema | a narrow, icons only (with hint text on hover of course) bar on the left side of the UI.. with a link to each enabled module |
| 12:54 | cait | I am not a fan of icon only |
| 12:54 | ashimema | I wouldn't do it with text.. it would be too wide |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Consider also that GMail has three icons in the sidebar, we would have 14 |
| 12:55 | tcohen | you could have the option to expand them |
| 12:55 | cait | i think maybe more radical change are better in another iteration of our design |
| 12:55 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 12:55 | cait | it also might look a little similar to some other software |
| 12:55 | ashimema | it would need a bit of iterating to get right.. I'm sure |
| 12:55 | yes | |
| 12:55 | totally agree.. it's another bug | |
| 12:56 | tcohen | I like the progress that's been made on the staff interface style revamp |
| 12:56 | ashimema | +1 |
| 12:57 | cait | +1 |
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| 13:18 | ashimema | oleonard still around? |
| 13:20 | tcohen | ashimema: oleonard-away |
| 13:20 | wahanui | oleonard-away is away |
| 13:20 | ashimema | ah, okies |
| 13:21 | :tea: time | |
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| 13:36 | cait | jajm: safe to reset the sandbox or are you about to drop more patches any moment? :) |
| 13:38 | jajm | cait: i just submitted a new one, and i will look at the fieldset legend issue now, so maybe wait a little :) |
| 13:39 | cait | orr... just started a new one, but will hold off testing a bit longer and update |
| 13:40 | can you post here when you are done with those? | |
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| 13:41 | jajm | ok |
| 13:59 | tcohen | bug 30982 |
| 13:59 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30982 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Use the REST API for background job list view |
| 13:59 | tcohen | anyone? |
| 13:59 | wahanui | somebody said anyone was free to give it a shot :-) |
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| 14:07 | lukeg | hi |
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| 14:21 | ashimema | @later tell oleonard any chance of some magic on my follow-up for bug 31162.. I've realised I really need to go back to CSS or rather SCSS school 😜 |
| 14:21 | huginn` | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:42 | jajm | cait: i think i'm done for today, you can reset the sandbox if you want |
| 14:44 | cait | thx! |
| 14:46 | ashimema | koha++ |
| 14:46 | @karma koha | |
| 14:46 | huginn` | ashimema: Karma for "koha" has been increased 81 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 80. |
| 14:47 | oleonard | Bug 31162 |
| 14:47 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Add a clear cataloguing module home page |
| 14:48 | oleonard | ashimema: I actually started some follow-up work, I'll see where I was at. |
| 14:49 | ashimema | oh, cool |
| 14:50 | I'd love to see that area progress with the new UI stuff.. I think general consistency improvements like this will add to the whole thing | |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Why am I getting "koha-db-1 exited with code 1" over and over? |
| 14:58 | * oleonard | updates koha-testing-docker |
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| 15:11 | oleonard | There's no KohaCon22 arrivals & departures page is there? |
| 15:13 | cait | haven't seen one |
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| 15:26 | oleonard | I have created one. https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/KohaCon22_Social |
| 15:26 | Right now I'm the only one going XD | |
| 15:28 | I wonder if the latest version of Docker Desktop broke something for me. | |
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| 16:00 | caroline | oleonard++ for the wiki page! |
| 16:00 | oleonard | Thanks caroline, I will be very happy to not be the only one on there :D |
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| 16:26 | Putti | ashimema, I was catching up with the IRC logs, saw the discussion about patron-title.inc. There's been some work on that in this bug: bug 29768 |
| 16:26 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29768 normal, P5 - low, ---, emmi.takkinen, Failed QA , hidepatronname hides guarantor name on borrower edit screen |
| 16:36 | oleonard | Took me like 10 tries but KTD is working again... Such a prima donna... |
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