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07:18 | paulderscheid[m] | morning #koha |
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08:54 | cait | y |
08:54 | :) | |
08:54 | * cait | waves |
08:57 | cait | hm are the detailed messages in the jobs view always supposed to be empty? |
08:57 | like... you don't see which items you batch deleted etc? | |
10:22 | marcelr++ | |
10:29 | oleonard | cait: I find the new batch modification/deletion process less useful than before |
10:35 | cait | same |
10:35 | I think the UX suffered from using the message queue | |
10:36 | if I delete a few items, it just did it before... now I have to go though more screens that are not obvious | |
10:37 | but there has been no feedback/bugs/comments I am aware of | |
10:38 | oleonard | Now that it's getting more use in production maybe |
10:40 | cait | maybe |
10:57 | ashimema | you should see the item numbers in the detail view cait |
10:57 | cait | you odn't |
10:57 | it's just emptyness for the batch deletes and elasticsearch updates i just did | |
11:00 | ashimema | the indexing stuff I think is empty |
11:00 | I'm sure I've seen numbers in the batch deletes | |
11:01 | I see stuff like "Bibliographic record 17381 has successfully been modified." | |
11:02 | though it's in a scary long list of 'dialog message' blocks | |
11:02 | cait | I was working with items |
11:02 | ashimema | ok.. it's bad for batch deletes |
11:02 | I see | |
11:02 | modifications look OK | |
11:02 | report it as a bug | |
11:02 | cait | ok I will |
11:02 | btw we broke the idff view in staged import too | |
11:03 | bug 31526 | |
11:03 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31526 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Diff view on manage staged imports page is broken |
11:03 | ashimema | yuk |
11:03 | cait | also the shelf browser |
11:03 | (see QA email) | |
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11:21 | marcelr | o/ |
11:31 | ashimema: hi there; could you plz have a look at the API / Logger patches on 31468/22678 ? | |
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11:46 | saa | while upgrading from 19.05 to latest 22.05 when i ran apt upgrade koha-common it threw error {UNKNOWN}: DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Table 'koha_ncl.borrower_modifications' doesn't exist in engine at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Schema.pm line 1118. DBIx::Class::Schema::throw_exception(Koha::Schema=HASH(0x55d2fe5ab390), "DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Table 'koha_ncl.borr"...) called at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Storage.pm line 113 DB |
11:47 | can anyone help in resolving this error | |
11:52 | domm[m] | Not sure if the general list is working again, so I post a question here |
11:52 | We use OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown to show the list of libraries next... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]RBUCxcPMuwiRNcnS) | |
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11:59 | cait | domm: jQuery |
12:00 | would be my usual answer - there is no 'inactive' or 'internal' setting for libraries | |
12:00 | it might be something people would like tho | |
12:03 | domm[m]: bug 12242 | |
12:03 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , Allow hiding branches from the OPAC search pulldowns |
12:05 | domm[m] | yeah, jquery would be the hackish fallback "solution" |
12:06 | hm, 12242 would avoid a DB change, by listing the hidden branches in the Syspref instead of adding a flag to the libraries in the DB. I guess that's easier to get into Koha, but a bit less clean? | |
12:11 | cait | I think a flag might be cleaner as we have the pickup library on libraries now too |
12:11 | keep things in one place | |
12:12 | and not harder to get in | |
12:12 | and possibly good to have for the API too? | |
12:14 | we have a similar feature for itemtypes (hide from search options)... that's also on the itemtype | |
12:15 | so in keeping things consistent i'd like the option on libraries admin better I think | |
12:28 | ashimema | flag++ |
12:51 | domm[m] | ok, thanks! |
12:51 | cait | sorry.. so many words :) |
12:57 | in other news.... looks like the main list is recovering :) | |
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13:27 | cait | someone using mac? |
13:27 | iOS? | |
13:27 | bug 8305 needs a tester! :) | |
13:27 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8305 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, isobel.graham09, Needs Signoff , Add an icon for iOS home screens |
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13:52 | nugged | cait: I call my team :). Petro or Slava, pls sign off that |
13:53 | * cait | waits for the magic to happen :) |
13:53 | cait | btw... meeting in 7 minutes? |
13:53 | ashimema | nice reminder |
13:53 | my daughter will be in your teams debt nugged 🙂 | |
13:54 | beware.. she wrote it, but neither of us have tested it.. we don't have Macs 😜 | |
13:55 | cait | same problem here |
13:56 | ashimema | bug 31373 would be nice to see moving through |
13:56 | nugged | cait: yes, The Meeting, I coming with this BIG thing :)... https://www.kiwi.fi/display/KK/KohaCon |
13:56 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31373 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Notice template validation is missing INCLUDE_PATH |
13:56 | cait | nugged: i know |
13:56 | i noticed yesterday we missed the meeting in the calendar - I hope some people will show | |
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13:56 | cait | otherwise we might postpone to next week maybe? but let's see |
13:57 | * ashimema | is already working on his proposal to attend that nugged... so you best get it.. hehe |
13:58 | cait | a litle late to send the reminder too i guess, ugh |
13:59 | ashimema | mm |
13:59 | my bad | |
14:00 | nugged | (1 minute ago) reminder just came :) |
14:01 | so, formally, it's just in time :) | |
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14:01 | cait | tuxayo: around? |
14:01 | qa_team? | |
14:01 | wahanui | hmmm... qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook |
14:01 | cait | rmaints? |
14:01 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
14:03 | cait | quick show of hands, who is there for the meeting? |
14:03 | ashimema | me |
14:03 | oleonard | Present |
14:04 | cait | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 September 2022 |
14:04 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 14:04:00 2022 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
14:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
14:04 | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_september_2022' | |
14:04 | cait | #chair ashimema |
14:04 | huginn` | Current chairs: ashimema cait |
14:04 | cait | #topic Introductions |
14:04 | Please #info yourself | |
14:04 | petro | #info Petro Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
14:04 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
14:04 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
14:04 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Quebec Canada |
14:04 | nugged | #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
14:04 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
14:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
14:05 | Guest2194 | #info Slava Shishkin, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
14:05 | cait | looks like we got a bit of a crowd :) |
14:05 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum |
14:05 | ashimema | I poked ByWater.. but they're on retreat this week so I'm not really expecting a response |
14:06 | cait | still worth a try, thx :) |
14:06 | ashimema | however.. I do know Tomas and the ByWater chaps are all +1 for nugged and Helsinki |
14:06 | cait | :) |
14:06 | moving on! | |
14:06 | #topic Announcements | |
14:06 | #info Registrations for KohaCon22 have closed | |
14:07 | #link http://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/ | |
14:07 | anything else? | |
14:07 | please feel free to add local events as well | |
14:07 | Guest2194 | #info Slava Shishkin, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
14:07 | ashimema | 🙂 |
14:07 | oleonard | Come to KohaCon22 and tour all of oleonard's childhood haunts |
14:08 | cait | sec, just typing up something |
14:08 | nugged | Slava (Guest2194, we know that it's you, I can physically confirm, so keep it then for a moment as it is :) ) |
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14:09 | cait | #info Koha-D-A-CH-Anwndertreffen / User meeting for German speaking Koha users is planned for December 1 2022 - proposals for presentations welcome! |
14:09 | ok, moving on in a moment! | |
14:10 | nugged | > however.. I do know Tomas and the ByWater chaps are all +1 for nugged and Helsinki |
14:10 | ashimema>: that's great. | |
14:10 | cait | #topic Actions from last meeting |
14:10 | #info There are no actions from last meeting :) | |
14:10 | #topic KohaCon23 | |
14:10 | ashimema | 🙂 |
14:10 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon23_Proposals Proposals |
14:10 | nugged | cait: I will have a short talk/presentation about KohaCon 2023 and PerlCon (YAPC::EU) 2023 on KohaCon 2022 and where possible. So Koha-D-A-CH-Anwndertreffen please reserve me a space :) |
14:11 | cait | let's talk about it later - we are certainly happy to advertise |
14:11 | nugged | cait: noted. |
14:12 | cait | ok, but for now, let's deal witht he formal |
14:12 | #info we have one proposal submitted before the deadline from National library of Finland in Helsinki | |
14:12 | nugged | Proposal: and I just updated our wiki- (KohaCon intro page) version: https://www.kiwi.fi/display/KK/KohaCon, will transfer more info from there wiki.koha-community in a minutes |
14:13 | cait | Are there any questions about the proposal to nugged and his coworkers? |
14:14 | nugged | In addition, I can declare that I have preliminary confirmations from a few core people and big interest from Perl Community as well to unite KohaCon 2023 and PerlCon 2023, same place, same dates (or overlap by day or few, we will decide), |
14:14 | thd | What is your planning for virtual participation? |
14:14 | ashimema | August.. that'll be school holidays here.. may have to bring the family along 😉 |
14:14 | cait | maybe a partial overlap would be nice |
14:15 | so people can attend both without feeling bad | |
14:15 | about missing out on one thing :) | |
14:15 | nugged | as well that University of Helsinki in my person, |
14:15 | and maybe some more OpenSource teams and IT structures will support PerlCon for us. So, KohaCon too. | |
14:15 | ashimema | I like that as an approach.. should mean we can cater nicely for the two audiences that tend to attend.. the support companies and libraries and then the devs |
14:16 | nugged | > maybe a partial overlap would be nice |
14:16 | this I will especially present as proposal and best vision and come around with critics request to you and core team people in both Communities. | |
14:16 | cait | will there be time for a hackfest with the combined event? |
14:17 | nugged | > will there be time for a hackfest with the combined event? |
14:17 | yes, my GOAL more than just Koha or Perl by themselves, but give a new push for Koha+Perl communities united something post-this-event, and in preparation time, | |
14:17 | cait | the old format was 3-1-3 (conf, some type of outing, hackfest) but that is not set in stone I think, having some time together for workshop/programming/discussing woudl still be nice |
14:18 | ok, I didn't find it in the nots, but I think organizing a web style vote is not necessary with just one proposal | |
14:18 | nugged | because for now I can declare that Koha is the best "in raising trend" Perl product we have, and Perl is the most needed thing for Koha (as well as labor, brains, support) from Perl as main tech (lang) we love. |
14:18 | ashimema++ | |
14:19 | > may have to bring the family along | |
14:19 | ashimema: yes, I will insist for long stay for most core people, and will organize/propose family things too | |
14:19 | cait | so I suggest having a quick vote here to check for vetos |
14:19 | ashimema | 🙂 |
14:19 | cait | and if none we announce |
14:19 | ashimema | perfect cait |
14:19 | cait | just phrasing it, give me a sec |
14:20 | #startvote Should KohaCon23 be held in Helsinki, Finland? yes, no, abstain | |
14:20 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Should KohaCon23 be held in Helsinki, Finland? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
14:20 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
14:20 | nugged | to keep presentation: speaking about myself as organizer: I was organizer (among two people) of YAPC::Russia 2014, we had ~100 attendees and ~28 talks, events. |
14:20 | oleonard | #vote yes |
14:20 | cait | #vote yes |
14:20 | caroline | #vote yes |
14:21 | petro | #vote yes |
14:21 | thd | #vote yes |
14:21 | nugged | #vote yes |
14:21 | khall | #vote yes |
14:21 | ashimema | #vote yes |
14:21 | Guest2194 | #vote yes |
14:21 | nugged | (if I allowed for brace myself :) ) |
14:22 | cait | I think most important bit is to stay in touch, keep information coming, attend meeting and such |
14:22 | ashimema | +1 |
14:22 | cait | and i think past organizers will be happy to advice too |
14:22 | nugged | ... and I helped for YAPC::EU teams to organize bigger (and for the Mojolicious team a little too in Oslo 2018!) |
14:23 | cait | I think Greece had about 220-250 |
14:23 | to my knowledge might hav ebeen the biggest so far | |
14:23 | harder to tell with hybrid | |
14:23 | nugged | I will come to you people around here this month, gathering info and opinions. |
14:23 | cait | closing vote in a moment |
14:23 | marcelr | #vote yes |
14:24 | cait | clooooosing |
14:24 | #endvote | |
14:24 | huginn` | Voted on "Should KohaCon23 be held in Helsinki, Finland?" Results are |
14:24 | yes (10): cait, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, khall, petro, nugged, Guest2194, caroline, thd | |
14:24 | ashimema | excellent |
14:24 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
14:24 | cait | #agreed KohaCon23 will be held in Helsinki, Finland |
14:24 | oleonard | Finland wins by a nose |
14:25 | cait | I'll update the wiki page with results after the meeting script has been run |
14:25 | maybe add a note right now and link later | |
14:25 | anything to add? new topics? | |
14:26 | nugged | I will (as my team I see) insist on "in-person" visits and will work for off-conference things (extras, for family, workshops, trainings, tourist things, so on) |
14:26 | cait | hybrid is great for a lot of reasons, but i know a lot of us long for some in-person time together |
14:27 | it's good to have options | |
14:27 | nugged | it will be hybring though, yes |
14:27 | cait | #topic Next meeting |
14:28 | I believe we had agreed on quarterly | |
14:28 | nugged | and the University of Helsinki, especially the National Library, equipped and did a lot of big hybrid events so have experience and hardware and hands in this way as well. |
14:28 | ashimema | 🙂 |
14:28 | Quarterly yes cait | |
14:28 | cait | would December 7 work? |
14:28 | nugged | so to finalize my "noise" here: |
14:28 | cait | heh sorry nugged, should let you talk! |
14:29 | just wasn't prepared to host a meeting today | |
14:29 | nugged | through September I will cover all main things and confirm from both parties and will come with plan & steps and will go round for core team ogras and people for participation, critics, more. |
14:30 | "both parties" here - Koha Community and Perl Community, and confirmation from University of Helsinki & National Library & others about financing/support + call for help/sponsorships/participation for all of you / your teams and so on: further routine tasks. | |
14:31 | ashimema: bring your company booth here, and HRs :). I will try to bring as much as possible "Perl related" audience attention here :). | |
14:31 | ashimema | We'll be there.. not sure who yet.. but ptfs-e will certainly attend |
14:31 | nugged | saying that - just to "partially touch" that I see many benefits for everyone on that, |
14:32 | so I will come around contacting BibLibre, ByWater, PTFS-E, all others of "us", for most efficient things, | |
14:33 | and as well will ask all to participate, advertise, bring people and call others to come, and - what will be important - | |
14:33 | cait | Catalyst IT did the first fully hybrid one - might alos be good to check in |
14:33 | nugged | START YOUR TALKS ideas and preparations! :) |
14:34 | cait | #info Next meeting: 7 December 2022, 14 UTC |
14:34 | ashimema | 🙂 |
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14:34 | cait | ending meeting in 3 .. |
14:34 | 2.. | |
14:34 | 1! | |
14:35 | #endmeeting | |
14:35 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 14:35:00 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
14:35 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-09-07-14.04.html | |
14:35 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-09-07-14.04.txt | |
14:35 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]07-14.04.log.html | |
14:35 | cait | congrats nugged |
14:35 | oleonard | cait++ |
14:35 | caroline | nugged++ cait++ |
14:35 | cait | someone around to run the meeting script? |
14:35 | hm and i should have volunteered someone to send a mailing list announcement | |
14:36 | ashimema | I'll try to remember how the meetings script works |
14:36 | nugged | cait: yep, 330 days, or around. I and my team will lay these 330 towards this achievement and make best of what we think/hope and I am for that. Woooooooohooo! |
14:37 | 🤗🤗🤗 | |
14:37 | 2 all of you here ppl! | |
14:37 | oleonard | I believe caroline said she was going to be at KohaCon22 in person... Anyone else here? |
14:38 | cait | sadly not this year |
14:38 | ashimema | not I I'm afraid oleonard |
14:38 | cait | I am witness at a wedding :) |
14:38 | ashimema | Jonathan and Andrew A are going from us though.. |
14:39 | I had kid commitments | |
14:39 | cait | hope to catch some of hte earlier presentations each day - the time differene is quite a bit |
14:39 | caroline | yass! and I'm going to bug my boss endlessly to go to Helsinki too (already started to just now) |
14:39 | oleonard | ashimema: I'm glad to hear PTFS-E will be represented in person! |
14:39 | cait | I better start too :) |
14:39 | ashimema | 🙂 |
14:40 | cait | ... so anyone for that mailing list annuncement? |
14:40 | caroline | I can try |
14:41 | cait | thx caroline :) |
14:41 | caroline | Just the announcement, say more info coming and the link to the wikis? |
14:41 | cait | yep - keeping it short and simple is certainly ok |
14:41 | i updtaed the wiki page already | |
14:42 | oleonard | The KohaCon22 announcement for reference: https://www.mail-archive.com/k[…].nz/msg28574.html |
14:44 | nugged | We already advertised for our librarians, but I think because of timezone diff, I will do some post- (I will online attend myself) make summary and proposals to watch the recordings, and do the post-talks, for our librarians. |
14:45 | I assume we will have those talks recorded and accessible later, right? (don't blame me if I didn't read full announce for KC22 :) and it's said there ) | |
14:45 | cait | it said so i my registration email |
14:46 | that they would be recorded for later view as well | |
14:46 | just hope to meet up with some of you here maybe for wathing together? | |
14:49 | nugged | because I am now even more in stream with KohaCon 2023 and PerlCon - I will try to cover as much remote socialization as I can :), ... |
14:49 | * nugged | went to fill up further details in Wiki(s) for both Perl/Koha "us". |
14:57 | caroline | nugged, the "official" source of information is this page ? https://www.kiwi.fi/display/KK/KohaCon |
14:58 | (for now I mean...) | |
15:00 | nugged | caroline: Yes, kiwi.fi is the National Library of Finland own official Wiki, so this is the source as for now, until we launch (sub-)domain and site for that (working on this). |
15:00 | caroline | perfect, thanks! |
15:08 | ashimema | caroline.. if Rachael one of your devs? |
15:09 | caroline | ashimema, not anymore |
15:09 | ashimema | I'm being asked about bug 31185 here.. |
15:09 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31185 normal, P5 - low, ---, adolfo.rodriguez, Failed QA , Link authorities automatically doesn't detect duplicate authorities |
15:09 | ashimema | ah.. so unlikely to get a unit test from them |
15:09 | oop | |
15:09 | caroline | yeah no, sorry |
15:09 | ashimema | I misread.. they just signed off |
15:09 | it's Adolfo I need to track down | |
15:10 | damn.. I don't know anyone at xercode | |
15:37 | reiveune | bye |
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16:08 | oleonard-away | caroline++ |
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16:48 | Putti | lovely to see some action today on bugzilla :) |
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18:29 | tuxayo | Oh there was a General IRC meeting :o |
18:47 | oleonard | Sorry tuxayo, you missed your opportunity to torpedo the Finland KohaCon proposal |
18:47 | tuxayo | lol |
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19:31 | drbone | Hi and good evening. I'm here searching for a hint on where to start looking or even maybe how to fix the issue I'm currently facing. Sorry if I'm not supposed to ask for help here, please just tell me. I've set-up a little koha instance for a small school for their library. While entering books into the library the users noticed some books "vanishing" after they completed their entry. But without error message on the screen. |
19:32 | They noticed it happens most often when using special chars like ü or ß (we are from Austria and talk German) in the Title. | |
19:33 | I then digged a little and I found following log messages I think are related to the issue: "AH01215: no mapping found for [0xFC] at position 5 in Der B\xfccherb\xe4r g0=ASCII_DEFAULT g1=EXTENDED_LATIN at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset.pm line 308.: /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl" | |
19:36 | Would be awesome if someone could give me a hint on where to start. When searching the web for this error I found nothing really telling related to koha. Thanks in advance! | |
19:39 | found this: https://ilbot2.kohaaloha.com/koha/2020-12-06 which would indicate I made mistakes configuring the instance, which is entirely possible... but how do I fix it? | |
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20:31 | tcohen | hola #koha |
20:32 | caroline | hi tcohen! |
20:34 | Does anyone know if the "branch" in this string should be translated? "[%# - branch: <select library list> %]" it's in patron-search.inc | |
20:34 | It seems to be just explanation in the code on how to use patron-search.inc but i'm not sure | |
20:37 | fridolin | caroline: hi, indeed [%# xxx %] is a TT comment, it should never be translated |
20:37 | caroline | it should never or it can be but it won't change anything? |
20:37 | fridolin | wont change anything |
20:38 | caroline | +1 thanks fridolin :) |
20:38 | fridolin | we really sould not use HTML tags here |
20:38 | <input> | |
20:38 | its jsute a var | |
20:41 | i open a bug report | |
20:43 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31530 | |
20:43 | huginn` | Bug 31530: minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , HTML tags in TT comments in patron-search.inc |
20:44 | caroline | thanks fridolin++ |
20:47 | fridolin | NSO now |
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