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| 00:01 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #197: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/197/ |
| 00:03 | Project Koha_Master build #2099: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2099/ | |
| 00:39 | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #992: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/992/ | |
| 00:42 | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #123: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/123/ | |
| 01:00 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #474: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/474/ | |
| 01:13 | Project Koha_Master build #2100: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2100/ | |
| 03:16 | wajasu | finally. got a packer script to build debian11, with all the install steps, plus koha-restore my database backup if desired (so no webinstaller/onboarding) |
| 03:18 | this way i can work through updatedatabase.pl, then when done, mysqldump that db to be reloaded as needed. | |
| 03:24 | now to cleanup mysql increment records. | |
| 03:37 | Mohraf joined #koha | |
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| 04:13 | wajasu | using koha-remove library in my test box 22.05 debian 11. it fails to remove the daemon for long tasks, thus fails userdel library-koha. |
| 04:13 | so i do it manually with a kill for the daemon and then userdel. | |
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| 06:16 | marcelr | o/ |
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| 06:53 | ashimema | morning |
| 06:53 | wow that was a long meeting last night | |
| 07:06 | marcelr | hi ashimema |
| 07:06 | long meeting? | |
| 07:06 | ashimema | Last night's Dev meeting |
| 07:07 | I left when I fell asleep but reading back it went on for a while after | |
| 07:07 | Your lists stuff is still on my list btw. Just been fighting a few fires here so haven't had a chance | |
| 07:10 | marcelr | davidnind++ signed off now, so your qa is highly welcome |
| 07:10 | ashimema | Excellent |
| 07:10 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 07:10 | marcelr | read the logs, LTS discussions again |
| 07:10 | ashimema | Yup |
| 07:11 | I don't know where I stand really.. in not against it.. but if we do do it I think we need to do it properly and I'm not sure about showing the team even thinner | |
| 07:13 | SoniaB joined #koha | |
| 07:13 | ashimema | So personally I'd rather see commitment to testing and quality assurance roles with proper time allocated to then than someone commit to an LTS rmaint role |
| 07:13 | marcelr | sounds good to me |
| 07:14 | staff shortage everywhere | |
| 07:15 | ashimema | Indeed |
| 07:16 | On that front, I intend to try and blitz the NSO queue a bit today.. lots of majors in there | |
| 07:17 | marcelr | ashimema++ |
| 07:17 | caroline_crazycatlady joined #koha | |
| 07:18 | ashimema | hi crazycatlady |
| 07:19 | Wow, it's somewhat distracting at the moment with UK politics.. I keep getting pinged as yet another minister resignation hits the news.. 50 resignations from parliament and counting | |
| 07:20 | They seem to have finally woken up to what a baboon our prime minister is | |
| 07:20 | marcelr | it seems that there is no shortage on new candidates there :) |
| 07:21 | ashimema | Maybe, I dunno.. think he's running out of people to replace them with now |
| 07:22 | Who knows what's next though.. I'm not a big fan of anyone who might take over either.. | |
| 07:34 | paulderscheid[m] | Morning #Koha |
| 07:39 | I really hope you'll get rid of Boris ashimema | |
| 07:39 | But politicians will always be politicians | |
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| 07:45 | cait | hello #koha |
| 07:45 | marcelr | o/ |
| 07:46 | cait | hi marcelr - thx for the work on 2FA - that one looks a little scary from your comments :) |
| 07:46 | marcelr | it isnt that bad |
| 07:58 | cait | oleonard_: ping! :) |
| 10:00 | ashimema | what bootstrap version are we actually using on the opac.. |
| 10:00 | * ashimema | can't seem to find it in the source |
| 10:22 | paulderscheid[m] | Great question |
| 10:23 | Seems that all classes of 3.4.1 are there, but from 4 or above are missing | |
| 10:24 | * there, but some from 4 | |
| 10:30 | <paulderscheid[m]> "Seems that all classes of 3.4...." <- This was wrong | |
| 10:30 | I'm using stuff from 4.6 in a component on 21.05 so that must be the minimum | |
| 10:32 | I think it's 4.6 | |
| 10:33 | 5.2 components don't work | |
| 10:48 | cait | maybe also a question for oleonard later |
| 11:04 | tcohen | hola #koha |
| 11:04 | ashimema | mmm |
| 11:05 | I'll ask the UI master later | |
| 11:05 | morning tcohen | |
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| 11:32 | marcelr | o/ |
| 11:35 | paulderscheid[m] | Boris is gone? |
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| 11:43 | ashimema | yup |
| 11:48 | well.. | |
| 11:48 | from leader of the party.. he'll be PM for some time to come whilst it gets sorted ot. | |
| 11:49 | paulderscheid[m] | just heard |
| 12:03 | tcohen | oh |
| 12:04 | hi marcelr | |
| 12:04 | marcelr | tcohen: hola |
| 12:04 | wahanui | kia ora, marcelr |
| 12:04 | tcohen | qa_team |
| 12:05 | we need help with those reports of upgrade failures | |
| 12:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #721: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/721/ |
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| 13:03 | paulderscheid[m] | I'm just looking at the sysprefs for the opac. What do I have to do for new themes to show up in 'opacthemes'? |
| 13:04 | To elaborate, does it scan directories or something else? | |
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| 13:17 | davidnind[m] | paulderscheid: I don't know anything about creating a custom theme replacement for the OPAC theme named bootstrap, but I just copied koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap to koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/mytheme, changed the file permissions, then it appeared as an option for opacthemes |
| 13:18 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks. Should've tried that as well. I just created an empty directory and nothing happened. |
| 13:34 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #7: SUCCESS in 8 min 27 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D11_ES7/7/ |
| 13:41 | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #5: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D11_ES6/5/ | |
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| 13:54 | marcelr | tcohen: Do you use the rel_22_11_candidate keyword ? |
| 13:54 | tcohen | marcelr: I do, but I've been trying to catch up with the QA queue |
| 13:55 | something specific you wanted to point out marcelr?¿ | |
| 13:55 | I already have my eyes on the list bugs | |
| 13:58 | cait | paulderscheid[m]: in theory you can just replace some templates - a partial copy might work too |
| 13:59 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks cait, it does. |
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| 14:20 | marcelr | tcohen: no, but if you want help on upgrade reports, you should list them too with that keyword ? |
| 14:21 | all enh now | |
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| 15:20 | paulderscheid[m] | ashimema: The bootstrap version in the package.json is 4.5.2 btw. Some components aren't imported, though. Look at _common.scss for reference. |
| 15:23 | cait | oleonard_: around? |
| 15:31 | ashimema | Is he off this week too perhaps |
| 15:32 | Lots of bywater are.. maybe he also took advantage of the extra day begining of the week | |
| 15:35 | SoniaB left #koha | |
| 15:38 | cait | possible :) |
| 15:38 | but he woudl know why and how we did things there | |
| 15:45 | ashimema | For OPAC or Staff though paulderscheid |
| 15:46 | I'm pretty sure they differ | |
| 15:46 | paulderscheid[m] | OPAC ashimema |
| 15:46 | ashimema | Oh well |
| 15:46 | But thanks for pointing that one out.. it's another place I'd missed | |
| 15:46 | paulderscheid[m] | If I'm not mistaken the staff uses the prog theme |
| 15:46 | ashimema | That it does.. but it's still bootstrap CSS ;) |
| 15:47 | paulderscheid[m] | ashimema: correct |
| 15:47 | ashimema | I'm intrigued by your theme thoughts btw.. we're mostly moving away from OPAC at ptfs-e.. everyone wants Aspen or other discovery instead |
| 15:48 | paulderscheid[m] | I'm constantly thinking about it ^^ |
| 15:50 | cait | my impression is that libraries quite like the OPAC around here |
| 15:51 | heard good things from paulderscheid[m]'s libraries too (their OPACs have some nice features for publics) | |
| 15:51 | paulderscheid[m] | That's also correct cait ^^ |
| 15:51 | tcohen | latert y'all |
| 15:52 | cait | ;) |
| 15:53 | paulderscheid[m]: was wondering, I recently stumbled on one with an interesting accessibility feature (could change the font and such from a dialog) - is that a free javascript library or something? | |
| 15:54 | paulderscheid[m] | Is the design black & yellow? |
| 15:54 | cait | could be? |
| 15:54 | i should have stored the link | |
| 15:56 | ashimema | We did that for UAL |
| 15:57 | Dyslexia action had some fun accessibility stuff too | |
| 15:57 | But I think they dropped most of it at the last upgrade | |
| 15:58 | It was too dyslexia specific so broke a bunch of accessibility for others | |
| 16:00 | paulderscheid[m] | The accessibility widgets are licensed and proprietary, I think. |
| 16:01 | I guess that the libraries choose their own. | |
| 16:04 | cait | paulderscheid[m]: i thought they might be, maybe still soemthing to think about and look for free options |
| 16:05 | time to go home :) bye all | |
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| 16:06 | paulderscheid[m] | You're right. It's especially important for the EU, regarding tenders (Ausschreibungen). |
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| 19:35 | caroline_crazycatlady | What is the difference between recalls and reserves? I've never worked in a library that had something other than reserves, I'm trying to understand the circulation rules regarding recalls |
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| 20:23 | cait | caroline_crazycatlady: maybe start with the wiki page, but I haven't fully grasped it yet either |
| 20:24 | although there are differnces lke it forces people to return earlier I think | |
| 20:25 | caroline_crazycatlady | From what I read, I think it would be in cases where there are no due dates or something, so people keep the books as long as they want, but if someone else wants it, they get a due date (I would understand it for like professors) |
| 20:25 | It's very vague, but that's the use I would see for that | |
| 20:28 | I don't really imagine something like that in public libraries... Some wise kid would definitely recall things for no reason just to spite people XD | |
| 21:03 | cait | I am not sure, I thought it was also used in a public library |
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| 21:10 | cait | @later tell tuxayo I've updated the calc with the 4 maints example (https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57) |
| 21:10 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:11 | davidnind[m] | The way it was explained to me when I tested the bug, is that it was something some universities use - some have rules that let them borrow books for a longer time frame (say the semester, or a year, or even no return date), and if someone was doing their thesis and needed a book they could place a recall: the book would need to be returned within a set period and issued to whomever requested it |
| 21:12 | I thought it sounded a bit "crazy" myself.... but apparently it is a thing for some higher education institutions | |
| 21:12 | As you say, not something you would see in a normal public library | |
| 21:15 | cait | caroline_crazycatlady: changing the saved search is tricky |
| 21:16 | davidnind[m]: it usually works a bit different | |
| 21:16 | normally the library requests the recall, not the patron in other systems I know | |
| 21:16 | i think that's what has been a bit confusing about this implementation | |
| 21:17 | davidnind[m] | the weird things some libraries do! |
| 21:18 | cait | oh yes... |
| 21:18 | i have tried to update the documentation to-do search on bugzilla | |
| 21:18 | caroline_crazycatlady: ^ | |
| 21:18 | maybe give it a go | |
| 21:18 | davidnind[m] | Here is a library in NZ (open the 'Recalls, charges & borrowing blocks' section): https://library.aut.ac.nz/about/membership |
| 21:19 | caroline_crazycatlady | That's what I thought it was too (the library recalls something, not the patron) |
| 21:19 | davidnind[m] | Seems here in NZ that patrons can place it themselves: https://aut.ac.nz.libanswers.com/faq/234130 |
| 21:20 | cait | hm not sure they say 'place a request' tha tcould also be a hold |
| 21:20 | that is the usual way ... the library checks the hold on the long loan items and may do a recall... or there might be some automatism to do it | |
| 21:21 | or say.. the way I have seen it before. - this is still valid, just different | |
| 21:22 | davidnind[m] | possible enhancement to make it work for how other libraries manage recalls |
| 21:22 | cait | yes :) |
| 21:22 | caroline_crazycatlady | thx cait for the link |
| 21:23 | cait | hope it works... at least it#s a few more bugs than befre |
| 21:23 | davidnind[m] | I'm still doing my list of bugs that need documenting, so they can be bulk added... |
| 21:23 | cait | I also tried to update the LTS drawing |
| 21:24 | caroline_crazycatlady | I think it has more than we need... the first one it a Docs component that is resolved, so it's not a to-do |
| 21:24 | davidnind[m] | (Needs documenting status...) |
| 21:24 | cait | let me see |
| 21:24 | do you have the bug number? | |
| 21:24 | caroline_crazycatlady | I thinks we'll have to do something like (XX AND XX) OR (XX AND XX) |
| 21:24 | Bug 31096 | |
| 21:25 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31096 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, RESOLVED FIXED, [DOCS] Review and update acquisitions chapter |
| 21:25 | cait | yeah just found it |
| 21:25 | ugh, I'll tr yto see how to get that one out | |
| 21:28 | the advanced feature is a little hard to use | |
| 21:28 | caroline_crazycatlady | Sorry, if it's too complicated, don't worry about it, I'm sure we can manage |
| 21:28 | cait | caroline_crazycatlady: give it another go please? |
| 21:29 | caroline_crazycatlady | or we could have many lists (Docs component not resolved, Manual keyword, Needs documenting status) |
| 21:29 | 31096 is still there... | |
| 21:29 | cait | it didn't work yeah |
| 21:29 | ok, next try | |
| 21:31 | caroline_crazycatlady | I have to go, sorry! I have an appointment |
| 21:32 | cait | ready for another test later |
| 21:36 | bye :) |
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