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| 00:29 | kolvir joined #koha | |
| 00:31 | kolvir | I'm trying to get koha running and followed the installation steps in the wiki but am getting an error from apache2 when trying to restart it after the set up apache step: AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded |
| 00:38 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #2092: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2092/ |
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| 01:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #117: ABORTED in 2 hr 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/117/ |
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| 02:50 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #712: FAILURE in 20 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/712/ | |
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| 03:22 | mtj | thanks tcohen, it was a coverage typo, oops |
| 03:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #713: ABORTED in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/713/ |
| 03:35 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2037: ABORTED in 4 hr 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/2037/ | |
| 03:35 | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #986: ABORTED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/986/ | |
| 03:48 | wajasu | just a wild guess. https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian under the Install Koha section, if you are installing under ubuntu, you might need a2dismod mpm-event, and apt-get install -f |
| 03:49 | i believe mpm-itk is what is used under debian, and ubuntu is a debian derivative. | |
| 03:57 | mtj | # sudo a2enmod mpm_itk mpm_prefork |
| 03:58 | kolvir: try that command ^ | |
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| 04:30 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #714: NOW UNSTABLE in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/714/ |
| 04:35 | kolvir | sudo a2enmod mpm_itk mpm_prefork ERROR: Module mpm_itk does not exist! Considering conflict mpm_event for mpm_prefork: Considering conflict mpm_worker for mpm_prefork: Module mpm_prefork already enabled |
| 04:36 | Am running Ubuntu | |
| 04:37 | search for mpm_itk gives :libapache2-mpm-itk/jammy,now 2.4.7-04-1 amd64 [installed] multiuser module for Apache | |
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| 04:38 | kolvir | sudo a2enmod libapache2_mpm_itk ERROR: Module libapache2_mpm_itk does not exist! |
| 04:39 | replacing '_' with '-' gives the same. Figured it wouldn't work but am trying everything | |
| 04:40 | mtj | hi kolvir, whats the error when restarting apache? |
| 04:41 | sudo apachectl restart | |
| 04:44 | kolvir: it seems you are missing the libapache2-mpm-itk pkg | |
| 04:44 | sudo apt install libapache2-mpm-itk | |
| 04:44 | kolvir | no, I have it installed |
| 04:44 | apache restart give this for the first time: | |
| 04:45 | AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message | |
| 04:45 | mtj | ah yes, [installed] |
| 04:45 | kolvir: you can ignore that warning :) | |
| 04:45 | so, problem is fixed | |
| 04:46 | sudo apachectl status | |
| 04:46 | should be happy ^ | |
| 04:47 | kolvir | well I'm getting differnent errors, which is progress. |
| 04:48 | wont let me paste from the terminal here anymore for some reason | |
| 04:49 | mtj | https://vidigest.com/2020/05/0[…]rective-globally/ |
| 04:49 | https://paste.koha-community.org/ | |
| 04:50 | kolvir | ty, ill check that out in the tomorrow, have a early morning. Don't know what exactly got me past the previous error, have reinstalled so many things that I lost track |
| 04:50 | but the current one seems unrelated to koha which is huge. Thanks again. | |
| 04:51 | mtj | https://unix.stackexchange.com[…]irective-globally |
| 04:51 | no probs :) | |
| 04:52 | kolvir | that's a good link too, thanks |
| 04:59 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #2093: FAILURE in 6 min 37 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2093/ |
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| 05:34 | thd | mtj: Are you present? |
| 05:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #192: NOW UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/192/ |
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| 06:20 | liliputech | hi koha |
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| 06:22 | alex_ | Bonjour |
| 06:28 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #118: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/118/ |
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| 08:08 | ashimema | Morning |
| 08:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_22.05_D11 build #30: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_22.05_D11/30/ |
| 09:02 | Joubu | @later tell fridolin ping 22070 comment 14? |
| 09:02 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:16 | fridolin | answered |
| 09:17 | Joubu | fridolin: Did you try the patch then? |
| 09:22 | paulderscheid[m] | Good morning #koha-irc:matrix.org |
| 09:26 | fridolin | Joubu: sorry no time right now |
| 09:35 | paulderscheid[m] | I just finished my first couple of client projects and had to make a number of modifications to the respective OPACs to do so, which made me relatively unhappy, as yes, that does cause problems with upgrades. So I'd like to suggest something. How about we work together to convert the OPAC to a combination of Mojolicious and Vue components and create a unified design system for this. We don't have enough front-end developers at LMSCloud |
| 09:35 | for such a big project, and it's supposed to be community-compatible anyway, so all Koha users can enjoy it. Would anyone like to participate? | |
| 09:37 | fridolin | paulderscheid[m]: great project indeed |
| 09:37 | i bet we all are interested | |
| 09:38 | paulderscheid[m] | Either way, I'm going to start creating a design system that follows Apple's Human Interface Guidelines. |
| 09:38 | In part, that's what I did for my bachelor's degree | |
| 09:38 | fridolin | Apple from the company or just the fruit ? |
| 09:38 | paulderscheid[m] | The company |
| 09:39 | fridolin | ah, not really a friend of opensource ^^ |
| 09:39 | paulderscheid[m] | They have some of the best researches in the game |
| 09:39 | fridolin | our OPAC dont need the best i think, average will be great |
| 09:39 | paulderscheid[m] | We could also borrow from Google's Material Design Studies |
| 09:39 | fridolin | i know more about this one |
| 09:40 | in any case we need to cover all features in REST API right ? | |
| 09:40 | Joubu | paulderscheid[m]: great idea! I won't have much time to participate but I will be happy to hear more about it! |
| 09:40 | fridolin | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/REST_api_RFCs |
| 09:40 | paulderscheid[m] | fridolin: Yes |
| 09:41 | fridolin | ah OK, maybe focus on that first |
| 09:41 | and also create a POC | |
| 09:42 | Joubu | paulderscheid[m]: however before integrating more Vue into Koha, I think we should first focus on the first step, getting the ERM base and see how people are feeling about the code. But nothing to prevent us from anticipating the next step ;) |
| 09:42 | paulderscheid[m] | Joubu: That's right |
| 09:43 | I just wanted to get that out. | |
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| 09:43 | Joubu | the earlier the better :) |
| 09:44 | what kind of problems did you face and are trying to fix? | |
| 09:44 | paulderscheid[m] | The first and foremost goal of the proposed project would be to make the OPAC as customizable as possible via configuration. |
| 09:45 | There have been no technical problems or I'd filed a bug 😄 | |
| 09:45 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen seen 31022? |
| 09:45 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:46 | Joubu | paulderscheid[m]: how Vue would help us to make the OPAC more customizable (rephrasing the question then :D)? |
| 09:46 | lilipute1h | paulderscheid[m]: nice / interesting proposal, but agreed with joubu, having a first POC would be great to begin with :) |
| 09:47 | paulderscheid[m] | Joubu: Vue isn't a must. I just want reusable components everywhere, that you can insert into a grid. |
| 09:48 | So you can customize the OPAC the way the client wants it without breaking any functionality. | |
| 09:48 | lilipute1h | there is also a big on going effort @BibLibre to provide with a rebranded/renewed staff interface, we need testers :) |
| 09:49 | paulderscheid[m] | I'll hop on that as soon as I finish the changes a client just mailed me this morning. |
| 09:49 | 😄 | |
| 09:49 | Joubu | lilipute1h: well we need the patches first :D And we are talking about OPAC here |
| 09:54 | paulderscheid[m]: maybe a first step would be to isolate the "blocks/components" using WRAPPER. Are you aware of the discussion dcook started a couple of months ago? | |
| 09:54 | I mean, the WRAPPER TT directive | |
| 09:54 | paulderscheid[m] | No |
| 09:55 | Joubu | time's flying, it was in March |
| 09:55 | https://lists.koha-community.o[…]March/046949.html | |
| 09:56 | paulderscheid[m] | That would be a great start |
| 09:58 | This is kinda like components and props | |
| 09:59 | In the meantime I'd like to share a tool that might be beneficial to others | |
| 10:00 | https://github.com/LMSCloud/LMSEntryPages | |
| 10:00 | It's very tailored to our use case but can be easily modified | |
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| 10:24 | mtj | hi Joubu, it seems that jenkins is not running t/00-check-atomic-updates.pl, as it has no shebang line |
| 10:27 | ..i guess its a quirk/feature of the 'prove' tool | |
| 10:34 | it looks like we have other shebang-less test files that are probably being skipped by jenkins | |
| 10:35 | koha/t$ tree -f | grep '\.t' | wc -l | |
| 10:35 | 559 | |
| 10:35 | koha/t$ grep -rl '#!/' ./* | wc -l | |
| 10:35 | 527 | |
| 10:36 | 559 - 527 = 32 | |
| 10:38 | oleonard_ | 559 - 527? |
| 10:38 | wahanui | 32 |
| 10:38 | mtj | bug 31108 seems to be why jenkins did not detect ./installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/bug_30899.pl in 22.05.22 release |
| 10:38 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31108 major, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , add missing shebang line to ./t/00-check-atomic-updates.pl |
| 10:38 | oleonard_ | Let wahanui do the hard work :D |
| 10:39 | mtj | 559 - 527 |
| 10:39 | wahanui | 32 |
| 10:39 | mtj | nice :) |
| 10:39 | oops, 22.05.02 release | |
| 10:45 | Joubu: regarding why to use '#!/usr/bin/env perl'... i recall it being prefered, as it makes the codebase more portable | |
| 10:51 | aah, click - its not the shebang.. its the filename extention... .pl not .t | |
| 10:58 | new patch sent | |
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| 11:55 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 11:55 | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #4: FIXED in 6 min 39 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D11_ES6/4/ | |
| 11:55 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 12:03 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 12:03 | Project Koha_Master_D12_ES6 build #5: FIXED in 8 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D12_ES6/5/ | |
| 12:03 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 12:10 | oleonard_ | Wow it's a real pain in the ass to get back into the OPAC if you delete the patron that's currently logged in... |
| 12:12 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 12:12 | Project Koha_Master_U22_ES6 build #6: FIXED in 8 min 10 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_U22_ES6/6/ | |
| 12:12 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 12:12 | oleonard_ | I knew you'd understand, wahanui |
| 12:12 | wahanui | oleonard_: excuse me? |
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| 12:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #897: NOW UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/897/ |
| 12:34 | oleonard_ | Testing Bug 30933, but misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl seems to be not working as I expect it to... |
| 12:34 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30933 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add a designated owner for shared and public lists at patron deletion |
| 12:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #987: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/987/ |
| 12:44 | caroline | Can someone confirm the duplicate warning when cataloguing (https://koha-community.org/man[…]uprecordwarn.png) uses ISBN or title/author to check for duplicates? I think I found something in C4/Search.pm (FindDuplicate) but I just want to make sure I'm reading it right since I don't know perl |
| 13:07 | oleonard_ | caroline: I think you're right that FindDuplicate is what is doing the checking |
| 13:08 | Looks like it tries to find a dupe by ISBN first, and then moves on to title and author if no ISBN match is found. | |
| 13:28 | caroline | cool, thanks oleonard_ ! |
| 13:31 | I'll add it to the manual in case someone else is looking for that info | |
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| 13:37 | oleonard_ | ...and hopefully if I'm wrong someone will correct me! |
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| 14:22 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 23991: Don't display empty div if no suggestions exist <https://git.koha-community.org[…]acd9389807fd9ee4b> |
| 14:26 | Joubu | Our dates formatting handling is a real mess. I have been struggling when working on ERM (accessing our JS functions that are defined in include files, from vue files...) and bug 30650. |
| 14:26 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30650 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Convert the Curbside Pickup plugin to Koha core |
| 14:27 | Joubu | We really need to remove momentjs in favor of dayjs, and use dayjs as much as we can. We could remove a lot of our own date parsing functions |
| 14:28 | We need bug 30310, and bug 30718, but also more followups to clean the whole area | |
| 14:28 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30310 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Replace Moment.js with Day.js |
| 14:28 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30718 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use flatpickr's altInput option everywhere | |
| 14:28 | tcohen | hola Joubu |
| 14:28 | Joubu | I am willing to work on it, but I need people for fast SO and QA as it won't be possible to maintain the patchset up-to-date |
| 14:28 | who's onboard with me? | |
| 14:28 | oleonard | Me |
| 14:29 | Joubu | the altInput option from flatpickr is AWESOME, and I have really no idea why we haven't looked into that direction before |
| 14:30 | but we will remove a LOT of our date manipulation | |
| 14:30 | everything will be coming from the DB to the vue, without doing ANYTHING | |
| 14:30 | not sure it's clear what I am saying, but we will sanitize our code a lot | |
| 14:32 | oleonard | For some reason my own test database didn't like the latest upgrade, though it didn't show an error... |
| 14:32 | Now I'm seeing this: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'me.renewals_count' in 'field list' at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Item.pm line 410 | |
| 14:32 | ...when loading checkouts on the checkout page. | |
| 14:33 | It's fine with the official sample data. | |
| 14:34 | Joubu | does the DB column exist? |
| 14:35 | Bug 30275: Rename issues.renewals to issues.renewals_count | |
| 14:35 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30275 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Checkout renewals should be stored in their own table |
| 14:36 | oleonard | It's still issues.renewals |
| 14:37 | Joubu | oleonard: it was 220600011.pl |
| 14:38 | the db_rev | |
| 14:39 | ashimema | hmm |
| 14:39 | weird | |
| 14:39 | tthe SQL looks OK to me | |
| 14:39 | ALTER TABLE '' CHANGE ;; | |
| 14:39 | that's the usual syntax right | |
| 14:40 | tcohen | CHANGE COLUMN? |
| 14:40 | wahanui | tcohen: that doesn't look right |
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| 14:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #2094: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2094/ |
| 14:42 | Joubu | CHANGE COLUMN? |
| 14:42 | wahanui | Joubu: that doesn't look right |
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| 14:42 | Joubu | lol, another one |
| 14:42 | wahanui: go search for something | |
| 14:42 | wahanui | Joubu: i'm not following you... |
| 14:45 | Joubu | search for something? |
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| 14:46 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍲🍘🍏 |
| 14:46 | oleonard | The new table was created successfully but the two ALTER TABLE instructions after that don't seem to have run |
| 14:47 | Re-running the SQL manually, copied and pasted from the db_rev, fixed my problem | |
| 14:47 | Joubu | the upgrade process is not supposed to let you continue if something wrong is happening when you update the DB |
| 14:48 | oleonard | I'll try running the CREATE TABLE manually on a previous db dump |
| 14:54 | My mistake, I was testing using a db dump that had a previous iteration of the checkout_renewals table. | |
| 14:54 | Sorry for the noise. | |
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| 15:04 | FlorianB | Hi koha, a customer told us they used this demo for some tests: does anyone here know if there's an administration -level account for it? https://staff.koha-us.org/ |
| 15:05 | 'cause I couldn't find login credentials and tried some, eventually I got in with demo / demo, but it doesn't give me access to the admin menu | |
| 15:06 | Joubu | demo/demo? |
| 15:06 | ha | |
| 15:07 | admin/admin? | |
| 15:08 | FlorianB | ...Well look at that, it works |
| 15:08 | Thanks joubu | |
| 15:09 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2039: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/2039/ |
| 15:15 | Joubu | tcohen: 28787 is waiting for your opinion |
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| 15:16 | Joubu | see comment 16 and especially what is before point 1. |
| 15:16 | "Generally, I have some doubts about the API path api/v1/auth/send_otp_token. Sending a token is not a normally expected API action; it sounds like a 'misused verb'." | |
| 15:16 | For me it's correct. | |
| 15:16 | please reply on the bug ;) | |
| 15:16 | bye #koha, see you tomorrow | |
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| 15:20 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30275: (QA follow-up) Fix TestBuilder.t <https://git.koha-community.org[…]65043e63b8447b644> |
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| 15:44 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍦🍰🥥 |
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| 15:56 | tcohen | ashimema++ # fixing tests |
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| 16:44 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
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| 16:44 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 16:56 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
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| 16:56 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 17:08 | cait | hm another API not working mail on the mailing list |
| 17:15 | tcohen | hmm |
| 17:16 | can't seem to find it | |
| 17:21 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 17:21 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2040: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/2040/ | |
| 17:21 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 17:21 | cait | i tried to reply |
| 17:21 | Re: [Koha] Patron search not working after upgrade to version 22 | |
| 17:21 | on a raspberry | |
| 17:22 | maybe you know what they need to do exactly | |
| 17:22 | hm you just did | |
| 17:22 | are you usre it#s nt the API not working? we had a lot of those reports | |
| 17:22 | like this one https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-June/057974.html | |
| 17:23 | tcohen | I'm not sure |
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| 17:24 | tcohen | they were very specific about patron search and those queries are really big and reach the reported header limit fairly easily |
| 17:24 | but maybe worth asking them to use the inspector in the browser | |
| 17:24 | I'm working on the patch | |
| 17:24 | can you suggest inspecting in the browser | |
| 17:24 | ? | |
| 17:27 | cait | i suggested checking the libraires page |
| 17:27 | it also work with the API but is short | |
| 17:27 | if that is also broken we shoudl know | |
| 17:32 | tcohen: he just responded, libraries are broken | |
| 17:32 | but i don#t know the fix for his OS | |
| 17:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #469: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/469/ |
| 17:42 | wajasu | playing around with fresh koha install 22.05 |
| 17:42 | did a koha-remove <instance> | |
| 17:44 | everything shutsdown, except the background_jobs_worker.pl daemon for my instance, so the userdel call for my library-koha system user fails. | |
| 17:44 | i guess i'll just kill the daemon, so i can do a koha-create for that same instance name. | |
| 17:47 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #194: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/194/ |
| 18:02 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 18:02 | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #989: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/989/ | |
| 18:02 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:08 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #2096: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2096/ |
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| 18:36 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #900: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/900/ |
| 18:38 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 18:38 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #470: FIXED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/470/ | |
| 18:38 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:49 | tcohen | \o/ |
| 19:17 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #2097: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2097/ |
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| 19:43 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 31108: rename ./t/00-check-atomic-updates.pl extension to *.t <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5a056129443b08e6b> |
| 19:43 | News from kohagit: Bug 30903: (follow-up) Fix error message class <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a6ee18b80110872c0> | |
| 19:43 | News from kohagit: Bug 30903: Fix UI glitch on the quotes upload view <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9a79e634c15465a0e> | |
| 19:43 | News from kohagit: Bug 30903: Fix POST /quote <https://git.koha-community.org[…]36ca97f7d180591d4> | |
| 20:00 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 20:00 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #717: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/717/ | |
| 20:00 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 20:04 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30976: Display biblio's cover images first <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d49ec927ee9a3a36a> |
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| 20:15 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🥔🥞🍫 |
| 20:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #990: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/990/ |
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| 20:44 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #718: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/718/ |
| 20:47 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #471: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/471/ | |
| 20:50 | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #121: UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/121/ | |
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| 20:51 | aleisha | hello! |
| 20:55 | tuxayo | meeting in 5 min! |
| 20:55 | qa_team? | |
| 20:55 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu |
| 20:55 | tuxayo | rmaint? |
| 20:55 | wahanui | rmaint is definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others. |
| 20:55 | tuxayo | no! |
| 20:55 | actually yes but I wanted the list of people! | |
| 20:55 | aleisha | rmaints? |
| 20:55 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
| 20:56 | cait | HERE |
| 20:56 | oops | |
| 20:56 | tuxayo | ho lol it was just a missing s |
| 20:56 | thanks cait ^^ | |
| 20:56 | rangi[m] | no need to yell so early in the morning cait |
| 20:56 | tuxayo | > HERE |
| 20:56 | caps lock day | |
| 20:56 | *you are late for | |
| 20:57 | It was june 28 | |
| 20:57 | cait | rangi[m]: you mean late at night.. |
| 20:57 | * ashimema | isn't really here.. |
| 20:58 | is at scouts being a leader | |
| 20:58 | tuxayo | :o |
| 20:59 | thanks aleisha for noticing I missed the s at rmaints. (it's not even morning and I'm mixing who says what ><) | |
| 21:00 | aleisha | that's ok! |
| 21:00 | tuxayo | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 6 July 2022 |
| 21:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 21:00:38 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:00 | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_6_july_2022' | |
| 21:00 | tuxayo | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_6_July_2022 Today's agenda |
| 21:00 | #topic Introductions | |
| 21:01 | aleisha | #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington New Zealand |
| 21:01 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions, Argentina |
| 21:01 | hayley | #info Hayley Pelham, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 21:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 21:01 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Inc., France |
| 21:01 | rangi[m] | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 21:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 21:02 | davidnind[m] | #info David Nind, NZ |
| 21:03 | tuxayo | #topic Announcements |
| 21:04 | Anything to announce that doesn't fit in the other topics better? | |
| 21:04 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, UK |
| 21:04 | davidnind[m] | Programme for KohaCon 2022 is now available |
| 21:05 | cait | good one |
| 21:05 | davidnind[m] | #link https://koha-us.org/events/con[…]s/kohacon22/#tab3 |
| 21:05 | aleisha | exciting! |
| 21:05 | tuxayo | great :D |
| 21:06 | «Saving kittens and supporting Koha» | |
| 21:06 | aleisha++ | |
| 21:06 | aleisha | :D |
| 21:06 | davidnind[m] | #info Schedule for KohaCon 2022 (in person and virtual) is now available https://koha-us.org/events/con[…]s/kohacon22/#tab3 |
| 21:07 | tuxayo | Anything else? |
| 21:07 | wahanui | i heard Anything else was necessarily going to be incremental. |
| 21:07 | tuxayo | maybe wahanui |
| 21:07 | cait | move on :) |
| 21:08 | tuxayo | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) |
| 21:08 | tcohen: 🎙️ | |
| 21:08 | tcohen | Hi, it's been a busy begining |
| 21:09 | lots of bugfixes to push | |
| 21:09 | I have started pushing enhancements and some features last week | |
| 21:09 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2041: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/2041/ |
| 21:09 | tcohen | or this one |
| 21:09 | rangi[m] | cool |
| 21:09 | wahanui | this one is on oleonard |
| 21:09 | tcohen | heh |
| 21:09 | tuxayo | koha-jenkins: not now for the bad news! |
| 21:09 | koha-jenkins | tuxayo did you mean me? Unknown command 'not' |
| 21:09 | Use '!koha-jenkins help' to get help! | |
| 21:09 | tcohen | we had a minor storm with jenkins going nuts yesterday |
| 21:10 | but thanks to | |
| 21:10 | mtj++ | |
| 21:10 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:10 | things are calm now | |
| 21:10 | I haven't heard from people that added to the roadmap | |
| 21:10 | I guess it is summer/vacation for many | |
| 21:10 | but it is time to focus on big things so we have | |
| 21:11 | time enough for having a great and stable release | |
| 21:11 | tuxayo | > I guess it is summer/vacation for many |
| 21:11 | Is that the same in the south hemisphere? | |
| 21:11 | aleisha | yes i'd really love to get back into helping - it's been hectic since VALA |
| 21:11 | tcohen | we have winter holidays (for the kids) next two weeks |
| 21:11 | but that's it | |
| 21:11 | rangi[m] | same here |
| 21:12 | tuxayo | ok so it's not usual to have most people 1 month off. |
| 21:12 | tcohen | #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap |
| 21:12 | rangi[m] | no, we do that in summer |
| 21:12 | tuxayo | So organizing stuff could work :) |
| 21:12 | tcohen | not in july, tuxayo |
| 21:12 | I had the intention to resume work on the new 'holds' table | |
| 21:13 | if anyone is interested on helping there, just ping me | |
| 21:13 | cait | we also have an unusual amount of bad bugs still |
| 21:13 | so we also need to take care of those | |
| 21:13 | tcohen | some of them are long standing/just ones, but yeah |
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| 21:13 | cait | (not only the new and shiny stuff, please) |
| 21:13 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti |
| 21:13 | sorry i'm late | |
| 21:13 | cait | the list of recent ones has grown too |
| 21:14 | but that#s for my slot possibly :9 | |
| 21:14 | tcohen | master has 342 commits on top of 22.05.00 |
| 21:14 | from which a not much is new stuffs | |
| 21:14 | ashimema | I'm game for holds again tcohen |
| 21:15 | tcohen | thanks, ashimema |
| 21:15 | cait | was not directed at you, more at devs and qa :) |
| 21:15 | tcohen | yeah, just sharing numbers |
| 21:15 | ashimema | Also keen to continue of task queue refinements including the api and management page improvements |
| 21:15 | tcohen | devs are working on fixing things, some enh are really bugfixes |
| 21:15 | probably not the urgent ones you point, cait | |
| 21:15 | thanks for that | |
| 21:16 | yeah, some big ones are about the task queue, and I'm waiting for lucas to help backporting things | |
| 21:16 | ashimema | I started working through the QA queue again today after a week of concentrating on bugfixing |
| 21:17 | tcohen | thanks cait |
| 21:17 | ashimema | Apologies, not been as good at replying to QA manager emails this cycle so far |
| 21:17 | cait++ for continuing those | |
| 21:18 | davidnind[m] | I'll add some comments on the majors that need sign-off - I had no luck (or couldn't work out) how to test most of them |
| 21:18 | tcohen | so, that's it. ping if you're working on something and need help, guidance or just want to share ideas. Also, type qa_team here to get a list of people you can nudge |
| 21:19 | ashimema | Thanks davidnind, your signoffs and comments are always welcome.. they really help in keeping things moving |
| 21:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #901: UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/901/ |
| 21:19 | aleisha | yes agreed |
| 21:19 | davidnind[m]++ | |
| 21:19 | cait | davidnind[m]++ |
| 21:19 | tcohen | davidnind++ |
| 21:20 | cait | so-hero |
| 21:20 | tuxayo | davidnind++ |
| 21:20 | davidnind[m] | 😊 |
| 21:20 | tcohen | jenkins is doing funny things... I think it is related to some tasks using github which could not be synced?= |
| 21:21 | moving on tuxayo? | |
| 21:21 | oh | |
| 21:21 | wait | |
| 21:21 | tuxayo | k |
| 21:22 | tcohen | I wanted to mention Mason (mtj) added some ES-specific tasks so and isolated the search-related tests so they can be run for each search engine |
| 21:22 | mtj++ | |
| 21:22 | OpenSearch is failing BTW | |
| 21:22 | that's it | |
| 21:23 | tuxayo | oh, E7 passes but nor OpenSearch :o |
| 21:23 | tcohen | worth checking |
| 21:23 | tuxayo | mtj++ |
| 21:23 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 21:23 | rmaints? | |
| 21:23 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
| 21:24 | cait | tcohen++ mtj++ |
| 21:25 | davidnind[m] | tcohen++ mtj++ |
| 21:25 | tuxayo | 1st 21.05.x release was fine, caught up with the late backports. Had the chance to work next to liliputech for their 1st release, it helped with the usual quirks of 1st release. |
| 21:25 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 21:25 | qa_team? | |
| 21:25 | wahanui | i heard qa_team was cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu |
| 21:25 | tcohen | tuxayo++ |
| 21:25 | cait | as pointed out earlier, I am worried about the numbers in QA queue rising and also especially the bad bugs number rising |
| 21:26 | there is not only old stuff in that list and the list of recent ones I list in the QA mail has also grown | |
| 21:26 | new stuff is great but we need to figure out those as well | |
| 21:26 | tcohen | do you have a link to the list? |
| 21:26 | its the SO queue? | |
| 21:26 | cait | we've had an unusual high number of update issues this time around |
| 21:27 | yes, the "waiting for QA queue" | |
| 21:27 | we had it down to oldest bug less than 2 weeks old | |
| 21:27 | now we are at... oldest bugs are from May | |
| 21:28 | so 2 monts waiting, not quite where we want to be | |
| 21:28 | I feel we need to check the database updates more maybe | |
| 21:28 | davidnind[m] | #link Signed Off https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]y_format=advanced |
| 21:28 | cait | and unrelated to QA: there have been people stuck with their updates on the mailing list |
| 21:29 | and it would be great to see more help with this very technical questions | |
| 21:30 | a lot of people have reported the API not working (missing the instructions about packages for older Linux versions) | |
| 21:30 | ashimema | I think perhaps this is more apparent now because we no longer quietly continue when things go wrong.. we instead stop the uodate |
| 21:30 | cait | there are some reoccurring issues we like that we could do better about |
| 21:30 | ashimema | But yes, we should get better at spotting and fixing these issues |
| 21:30 | cait | it's possible |
| 21:31 | but people get stuck and don't know how to continue - so they'll need help | |
| 21:31 | ashimema | And even better at catching cases at QA.. it's not simple though.. those dB issues often happen when there's a totally unexpected state the dB is in |
| 21:31 | cait | I know |
| 21:31 | so first step: please help people on the mailing list fix their installations when you are able to | |
| 21:32 | second step: let's try to avoid these bugs | |
| 21:32 | ... also second step: maybe be 'louder' about them doing proper backups before updates... and what they can do if there are errors | |
| 21:33 | that's all from me... please do more QA! :) | |
| 21:34 | tuxayo | #topic Status of roadmap projects |
| 21:34 | any news? | |
| 21:34 | thd | I have update the bug report for the wiki. |
| 21:34 | tuxayo | bug 23073 |
| 21:34 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23073 normal, P2, ---, td-koha-bugs, NEW , wiki.koha-community.org needs updating to a later version |
| 21:35 | aleisha | #info shoutout to those working on the recalls follow-up bugs, very exciting that the community is finally sharing that work and we are improving the feature collectively :) |
| 21:35 | thd | I reloaded git with hyphens or dashes instead of underscores in filenames so that version control works even after that change. |
| 21:36 | tcohen | thd++ |
| 21:36 | thd | The wiki/File:some_image 404 bug is Nginx configuration. |
| 21:36 | Works fine in Apache | |
| 21:37 | The test wiki instances in Apache can be seen on port 9443 | |
| 21:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #472: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/472/ |
| 21:38 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 31067: Fixing missing permission check <https://git.koha-community.org[…]971d1549ba8179ec3> |
| 21:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 30769: Typo fix in request.tt <https://git.koha-community.org[…]81c08bed2dc2c7d90> | |
| 21:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 31001: Fix "CGI::param called in list context" warning in basket.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a37a96f7eb8d848c8> | |
| 21:38 | tcohen | thd: can you share that information on the list? |
| 21:38 | cait | thd: I still owe some testing, hope to do it till beginning of next week |
| 21:38 | ssh huginn, we are in a meeting! | |
| 21:39 | thd | I am going to test putting at least the current 1.35 LTS on Debian 10. |
| 21:39 | tcohen | we need to move that to koha-ci |
| 21:39 | tuxayo | *#koha-bots |
| 21:39 | thd | Yes, I will send a message to the mailing list about testing. |
| 21:39 | tuxayo | > ssh huginn, we are in a meeting! |
| 21:39 | that's tcohen sneaking commits in master ^^ | |
| 21:39 | tcohen | thanks! |
| 21:39 | tuxayo | hope to go undetected but no! |
| 21:40 | tcohen | need an #action for thd |
| 21:40 | thd | mtj may be providing a VPS for testing database migration on Debian 8 |
| 21:40 | Previous testing has been Debian 9 | |
| 21:41 | cait | have their been problems with Debian 9 or hwy test with an older verson? |
| 21:41 | tuxayo | #action thd sends a message to the mailing list about testing the wiki upgrade |
| 21:41 | like that? | |
| 21:41 | tcohen | thd will send I'd say, but yes |
| 21:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #719: UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/719/ |
| 21:42 | tcohen | I need to put updates on the roadmap |
| 21:42 | tuxayo | ah I conjugated send ^^" |
| 21:42 | thd | A significant issue is that sury.org just dropped support for PHP LTS for Debian 9 which is old old stable. |
| 21:42 | tcohen | before I leave to have a life with the family :-D |
| 21:43 | thd | My test instance of Debian 9 still works fine and PHP LTS from sury.org or Debian 9 is archived. |
| 21:43 | tcohen | - Task queue streamlining: Joubu has worked on the API and streamlining things. dcook has provided insights on things |
| 21:44 | thd | I tested in Debian 9 because everything old and new works there. |
| 21:44 | tcohen | - ERM: jonathan has a demo sandbox on biblibre's, and progress is taking place |
| 21:44 | thd | We may have to divide old for database migration from new upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35 LTS. |
| 21:45 | tcohen | - Vue: so far only the cities admin page uses it, and the ERM. multiple enhancements are required to streamline the integration for Vue. We have many things solved that need to be redone. Jonathan worked on the date/date-time handling stuff, help is welcome |
| 21:45 | thd | The intention was always to put the production system on Debian 10 or 11. |
| 21:46 | tcohen | - Continued API refinements: Things are in the SO queue! |
| 21:46 | and I need to leave now! | |
| 21:46 | thd | Old versions of Debian are necessary to avoid breaking the wiki when migrating the database. |
| 21:46 | tcohen | bye! |
| 21:46 | thd | bye tcohen |
| 21:46 | cait | thx thd |
| 21:47 | tuxayo | Anything else? |
| 21:47 | wahanui | well, Anything else is necessarily going to be incremental. |
| 21:47 | tuxayo | wahanui forget anything else |
| 21:47 | wahanui | tuxayo: I forgot anything else |
| 21:49 | tuxayo | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 21:49 | cait try to draw how extended support/LTS would work (https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57) | |
| 21:49 | cait++ | |
| 21:49 | cait | I did my homework |
| 21:49 | davidnind[m] | cait++ |
| 21:50 | fridolin | cait++ |
| 21:50 | cait | the basic quesiton is... how many versions can we maintain? |
| 21:50 | * fridolin | sends a big smelling cheese |
| 21:50 | cait | at the same time |
| 21:51 | and which version will be the LTS now | |
| 21:51 | tuxayo | What is the scenario for which we need 5 rmaints? |
| 21:51 | cait | if we cut maintenance short on regular releases to 1 year... we can do with 3 people |
| 21:51 | if we want to have 1.5, we need at least 4 | |
| 21:51 | tuxayo: that's the past | |
| 21:51 | tuxayo | oh |
| 21:51 | davidnind[m] | should we only have one LTS release at a time (if that is possible)? |
| 21:51 | cait | we did have 5 rmaints for 21.11 |
| 21:52 | now we got only 3 for this | |
| 21:52 | this cycle | |
| 21:52 | tuxayo | *4 there was hole |
| 21:52 | In the previous cycles | |
| 21:52 | cait | so the blue line is what we currnelty maintain |
| 21:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2042: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/2042/ |
| 21:53 | cait | the first table is "if we make 21.11 LTS" |
| 21:53 | the second table is "if we make 22.05 an LTS" | |
| 21:53 | tuxayo | > should we only have one LTS release at a time (if that is possible)? |
| 21:53 | It's possible to have two while the next LTS in stable, oldstable or oldoldstable IIUC | |
| 21:53 | cait | ashimema suggested there shoudl be an overlap |
| 21:53 | you still want to give people time for the update | |
| 21:53 | this model has a year long overlap, it could be half a year | |
| 21:54 | then the next lts would be one version later | |
| 21:55 | but it makes things a little less predictable | |
| 21:55 | tuxayo | If we only have regular support for 1 year to have 3 rmaints in total, then people can't jump from .11 to .11 and .05 to .05 |
| 21:55 | cait | yeah, so we'd need 4 rmaints |
| 21:55 | tuxayo | Yes |
| 21:55 | cait | it's my feeling too actually |
| 21:56 | feel free to add your own drawings too | |
| 21:56 | 1.5 would be better than a year for regular | |
| 21:57 | what do others think? | |
| 21:57 | tuxayo | > yeah, so we'd need 4 rmaints |
| 21:57 | With the LTS RMaint only doing releases for security or dependency breakage or other critical stuff. So it seems manageable to find someone for that. | |
| 21:59 | > feel free to add your own drawings too | |
| 21:59 | Someone is doing it now at J18 :) | |
| 21:59 | spread sheet is a great idea | |
| 21:59 | cait | yeah i just tried with half a year overlap |
| 21:59 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 21:59 | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #195: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/195/ | |
| 21:59 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 21:59 | cait | and 1.5 for regular |
| 22:00 | davidnind[m] | is the end result that you only have one extended support/LTS version at a time? |
| 22:00 | cait | you'd have an overlap of half a year |
| 22:00 | if you only have one at a time, people have no time for updating | |
| 22:00 | so this model is that we announce what version will be LTS at its release | |
| 22:01 | and people will have 6 months to move to it | |
| 22:01 | davidnind[m] | +1 |
| 22:02 | tuxayo | and people can move when it's already oldstable. So it's okay for stability |
| 22:02 | cait | so the parameters of how big the overlap and of how long we maintain regular effect the number of rmaints |
| 22:02 | I am not sure how to progress from here | |
| 22:02 | should we have a vote next meeting? | |
| 22:03 | tuxayo | Looks good to move forward |
| 22:03 | how do we handle that we have two meeting slots with different people ? ^^" | |
| 22:03 | cait | I initially thought about making 21.11 LTs... but feel now that we might want to choose 22.05 instead |
| 22:04 | davidnind[m] | I agree - gives time to make sure we have everything set up, without being a rush |
| 22:05 | cait | well, ideal might be even 22.11... |
| 22:05 | tuxayo | > we might want to choose 22.05 instead |
| 22:05 | I don't get what that changes except have the LTS effective sooner? | |
| 22:05 | cait | just maybe a bit unusual to announce an already old release.. .might be more effective if we do with the current stable |
| 22:05 | but that's maybe something we could finally decide on next meeting | |
| 22:05 | 1) which version will be LTS | |
| 22:06 | 2) overlap time (half year or year) | |
| 22:06 | 3) regular maint time (1 year, 1.5 years...) | |
| 22:06 | davidnind[m] | +1 |
| 22:06 | tuxayo | good finding cait that in some cycle we don't need an LTS RMaint |
| 22:07 | So we can choose do we always need 4 or sometimes need only 3 | |
| 22:07 | davidnind[m] | Those not able to attend next meeting - add apologies and record votes in advance (if questions added to the agenda) |
| 22:07 | cait | with the shorter overlap it gets a bit more 'irregular' yes |
| 22:07 | i can add the questions to agenda | |
| 22:07 | tuxayo | > Those not able to attend next meeting - add apologies and record votes in advance (if questions added to the agenda) |
| 22:07 | Good idea and call for vote in the devel list | |
| 22:08 | cait | i can also polish the table/drawing a bi tmore of the last iteration, but first need to sleep |
| 22:09 | davidnind[m] | cait++ |
| 22:09 | tuxayo | > 2) overlap time (half year or year) |
| 22:09 | It chances for libraries that are more confortable doing major upgrade for summer. So that changes with hemispheres | |
| 22:10 | cait | yeah, I'd be a little more comfortable with a year |
| 22:10 | you can also give it half a year to get more stable then | |
| 22:10 | before updating | |
| 22:11 | tuxayo | Hopefully or oldstable is good enough so that it's not really a factor |
| 22:11 | cait | listen to your QAM about fixing bugs! ;) |
| 22:11 | tuxayo | A year overlap might be best so libraries can choose to upgrade every X years at the middle of the year or in the beginning/end of the year. |
| 22:11 | QAM? | |
| 22:12 | cait | i'll let you ponder that |
| 22:12 | i think it's most ly us discussing, maybe move on? | |
| 22:12 | tuxayo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]litude_modulation |
| 22:12 | ok moving on | |
| 22:13 | davidnind[m] | #action Extended support/LTS release - vote at the next meeting with questions added to the agenda, those unable to attend (time zone challenges) can add their votes to the agenda |
| 22:13 | tuxayo | So cait you finish the drawing with 4 rmaints and sometimes 3 and we discuss that in two weeks? |
| 22:13 | cait | yep |
| 22:14 | it'd be great if someone else could send something to mailng list | |
| 22:14 | tuxayo | #action cait finish the LTS drawing example with 4 rmaints and sometimes 3 |
| 22:14 | davidnind[m] | #action davidnind Extended support/LTS release - send notice to mailing list |
| 22:14 | tuxayo | Thanks |
| 22:15 | cait | thanks :) |
| 22:15 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍐🥭🍔 |
| 22:15 | tuxayo | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 22:16 | cait | could we maybe discuss kohacon first? |
| 22:16 | tuxayo | ok |
| 22:16 | what's up with KohaCon? | |
| 22:16 | cait | I just wanted to ask if we shoudl put up the bidding page before next General meeting |
| 22:16 | davidnind[m] | I would suggest discussing KohaCon23 first then deferring anything else to the next meeting |
| 22:16 | cait | because the next General is already in September and that makes it harder for countries that would like to host at an earlier time of the year |
| 22:17 | yes, sorry, I meant KohaCon23 | |
| 22:17 | tuxayo | Indeed! |
| 22:17 | cait | if we have multple applications and need to organize voting etc. it could get quite late otherwiese |
| 22:18 | davidnind[m] | agree |
| 22:18 | cait | ok, so are we still happy with hybrid or online only? |
| 22:19 | if so, we could just add the bidding page and send out, the question si really if we want to change things around again | |
| 22:19 | davidnind[m] | I'm happy to setup the Wiki page and draft a message for the mailing lists |
| 22:19 | cait | +1 |
| 22:20 | is 2 months enough? then we could set deadline to next general meeting | |
| 22:20 | davidnind[m] | I think hybrid is the way to go for the future - the tools for doing this are getting better, but does take more effort to do both and make it a good experience for all attendees |
| 22:20 | tuxayo | > are we still happy with hybrid or online only |
| 22:20 | Maybe a priority to a hybrid bid over an online only bid? | |
| 22:21 | cait | I think tha tmight happen in voting |
| 22:21 | tuxayo | > I think tha tmight happen in voting |
| 22:21 | right$ | |
| 22:21 | cait | if we have multiple bids - more asking what types of conference is eligible for applying |
| 22:21 | tuxayo | *right |
| 22:21 | caroline joined #koha | |
| 22:21 | rangi[m] | yeah |
| 22:22 | i think getting the bids out soon is a good idea | |
| 22:22 | cait | half asleep, hope i make sense |
| 22:22 | davidnind[m] | I think 2 months is enough (open to that though) - would be ideal to vote at the general meeting |
| 22:22 | we can always extend... | |
| 22:22 | tuxayo | yes |
| 22:22 | cait | yes |
| 22:23 | tuxayo | #action davidnind setup the KohaCon23 bid Wiki page and draft a message for the mailing lists |
| 22:23 | davidnind[m] | you are too dedicated cait - nearly 12:30 am for you (I think) 🙂 |
| 22:24 | tuxayo | cait++ |
| 22:24 | aleisha | cait++ |
| 22:24 | tuxayo | anything else about KohaCon23? |
| 22:24 | cait | i should have not put that last on the agenda :) |
| 22:24 | same for tuxayo btw | |
| 22:24 | nothing else from me | |
| 22:25 | tuxayo | I'm usually awake at this hour and don't start my work day a 9am so that not an issue ^^ |
| 22:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #122: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/122/ |
| 22:26 | tuxayo | #info GitLab policy changes: registering Koha as an Open Source project (see May email discussion + see June email discussion) |
| 22:26 | #info https://lists.koha-community.o[…]2-May/047081.html | |
| 22:26 | #info https://lists.koha-community.o[…]-June/047134.html | |
| 22:26 | #info GitLab change to free tier SASS user limit for namespace: change from 15 September 2022 https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/use[…]e_user_limit.html | |
| 22:26 | So that was some info left in the agenda to keep everyone informed about the change in GitLab.com | |
| 22:27 | That we use for building our docker image and the manuals | |
| 22:27 | Anything else before setting time for the next meeting? | |
| 22:28 | fridolin | You can note i've change a bit https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]endations#General |
| 22:29 | davidnind[m] | nothing from me that can't wait until the next meeting |
| 22:29 | fridolin++ | |
| 22:29 | fridolin | KohaCon23 in Tahiti maybe ? \o/ |
| 22:30 | tuxayo | I forgot |
| 22:30 | action: liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. | |
| 22:30 | fridolin: can you ping liliputech about this? | |
| 22:30 | #action liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. | |
| 22:31 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 22:31 | #info Next meeting: 20 July 2022, 14 UTC | |
| 22:31 | rangi[m] | id come fridolin ! |
| 22:31 | fridolin | sure |
| 22:31 | yep only 5000Km from NZ | |
| 22:31 | and we will comme to KohaCon25 in NZ \o/ | |
| 22:31 | davidnind[m] | I would too! |
| 22:31 | tuxayo | So for next meeting for Oceania and Americas, same hours I guess? 21 UTC |
| 22:31 | caroline_catlady joined #koha | |
| 22:32 | davidnind[m] | +1 |
| 22:32 | fridolin | +1 |
| 22:32 | tuxayo | And the date would be the 3rd of August |
| 22:32 | UTC so the 4th of August for NZ IIUC | |
| 22:32 | double check the calendar as usual | |
| 22:33 | So it's noted unless the date is problematic. | |
| 22:33 | And we can end | |
| 22:33 | davidnind[m] | +1 |
| 22:33 | tuxayo | #endmeeting |
| 22:33 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 22:33:48 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:33 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-07-06-21.00.html | |
| 22:33 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-07-06-21.00.txt | |
| 22:33 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]06-21.00.log.html | |
| 22:33 | tuxayo | Thanks everyone for attending ^^ |
| 22:33 | fridolin | tuxayo: ++ |
| 22:34 | davidnind[m] | tuxayo++ |
| 22:34 | fridolin | back to keyboard typing, see you all |
| 22:35 | thd | mtj: Are you still here? |
| 22:44 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:44 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2043: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/2043/ | |
| 22:44 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 22:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #2098: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2098/ |
| 22:53 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #720: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/720/ | |
| 23:10 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 23:10 | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #902: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/902/ | |
| 23:10 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 23:22 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #196: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/196/ |
| 23:55 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 23:55 | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #991: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/991/ | |
| 23:55 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 23:57 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 23:57 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #473: FIXED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/473/ | |
| 23:57 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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