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| 00:42 | Astorian joined #koha | |
| 00:58 | mtj | hiya dcook, about now |
| 00:58 | dcook | mtj: Hola |
| 00:58 | Of course now I have too many windows open.. heh | |
| 00:58 | mtj | hiya, whats up? |
| 00:59 | dcook | Curious about the specifying of the dependency libemail-address-perl |
| 00:59 | I see it here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30034 | |
| 00:59 | huginn | Bug 30034: trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Signed Off , Automatic debian/control updates (testing) |
| 00:59 | dcook | But it seems to me that it should already be in master? |
| 00:59 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=28870#c66 | |
| 00:59 | huginn | Bug 28870: critical, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Cart shipping fails because of Non-ASCII characters in display-name of reply-to address |
| 00:59 | dcook | Trying to figure out if the problem is me or the world.. hehe |
| 01:00 | I've installed the latest 21.11 but failing to start as that dependency isn't provided in the debian/control. But surely other people have been using 21.11? | |
| 01:00 | Looks like this one hasn't been updated in a while? https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17084 | |
| 01:00 | huginn | Bug 17084: normal, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (master) |
| 01:01 | mtj | short version, all bugs that track debian/control updates are out-of-date |
| 01:05 | ...so, thats the bad news :) | |
| 01:06 | the good news is, that you can create a new -up-to-date debian/control file by running the following script... | |
| 01:06 | debian/update-control | |
| 01:09 | i have been experimenting with a script to send updates to bugzilla, when pkgs are built | |
| 01:09 | ..which is why bz 30034 has some recent activity | |
| 01:10 | dcook | mtj: I was just in the process of doing that. Needed to install apt-file and update that. |
| 01:10 | But I wonder why I'm the first person to notice this in months... | |
| 01:11 | Unless everyone else has just been manually installing the dependency and not saying anything.. | |
| 01:17 | mtj | you can see some info from the last master/dev pkg build here http://deb.kohaaloha.com/kc/koha-staging/deb/dev/ |
| 01:18 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/kc/ko[…]deb/dev/build.log | |
| 01:19 | and the latest control file diff here... http://deb.kohaaloha.com/kc/ko[…]dev/control.patch | |
| 01:20 | + libemail-address-perl, | |
| 01:30 | ahh, you are building 21.11, so use the following info... | |
| 01:30 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/kc/ko[…]aging/deb/21.11.x | |
| 01:30 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/kc/ko[…]1.x/control.patch | |
| 01:31 | dcook | mtj: Does that mean you're patching the control file when you're building the official Koha Community Debian packages? |
| 01:32 | mtj | the control file is always generated by the debian/update-control script, when building packages |
| 01:32 | dcook | Using the official method :p |
| 01:33 | mtj | ie: its always assumed they are incorrect/out-of-date |
| 01:33 | dcook | 😬 |
| 01:33 | Actually where is that in build-git-snapshot.. | |
| 01:37 | mtj | its in the ./debian dir |
| 01:37 | tcohen | mtj: JSON::Validator 5.07 ready for being packaged, and so for a new Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI |
| 01:40 | mtj | i should say...'i always assume the control file *might* be out-of-date, when building pkgs' |
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| 01:40 | mtj | tcohen: thanks, great news |
| 01:43 | dcook: the reason why the control.patch files exist, is so they can be uploaded to bugzilla via a script | |
| 01:43 | tcohen | we are getting closer, I will now amend those patches |
| 01:43 | and we will be done | |
| 01:44 | dcook | mtj: We should probably update https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way to reflect that then |
| 01:44 | tcohen | dcook: you could give your opinion on the extra 'bundling step' |
| 01:44 | late here, will read your conversation later, looking forward to updates on the build process | |
| 01:44 | dcook | tcohen: I'm not sure if I have an opinion on the bundling step. I just want to disable the validation. |
| 01:45 | tcohen | mtj: https://gitlab.com/tomascohen/koha-dpkg-docker |
| 01:45 | dcook: I think validation is not the worst, but bundling | |
| 01:46 | dcook | tcohen: From the testing I did a while back it was the validation that was killing my CPUs, which is why the author added the skip validation step. |
| 01:46 | If the bundling is a problem too... well that's also not good ahah | |
| 01:47 | And then I use this other container for building mine hehe: https://gitlab.com/minusdavid/[…]eb-builder-docker | |
| 01:47 | tcohen: Do you run any 21.11 instances? | |
| 01:49 | tcohen | interesting |
| 01:49 | you don't use pbuilder | |
| 01:49 | dcook | Yeah no pbuilder for me. I think I had quite a few issues with it in the past. |
| 01:50 | I should update my repo sometime. Had to make some changes for newer versions as well.. | |
| 01:52 | Instead of that base.tgz, I use: sudo mk-build-deps --tool='apt-get -y' --remove --install | |
| 01:52 | And then I keep my container around and re-use it | |
| 01:53 | The pbuilder way is probably a more robust way of doing it for sure.. | |
| 02:05 | tuxayo | Oh it's like a meeting here. Hi o/ :) |
| 02:17 | dcook | tuxayo: Nah just me complaining about things like usual hehe |
| 02:21 | tuxayo | dcook: well you got company ^^ |
| 02:21 | Speaking of meetings, if we again start trying times compatible with Oceania, which local time (Sydney time zone right?) would be compatible with you? | |
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| 02:46 | dcook | tuxayo: It's probably not worth it just for little old me |
| 02:47 | That is, I don't know that I have much to offer | |
| 02:48 | tuxayo | dcook: If we catch Polynesia for Frido, we might as well try to catch Australia :) It's not only about offering but also to be kept in loop about stuff. |
| 02:48 | dcook | tuxayo: That's a 3 hour time difference so can still be tricky |
| 02:49 | but yeah I like being kept in the loop hehe | |
| 02:53 | tuxayo | > That's a 3 hour time difference so can still be tricky |
| 02:53 | Indeed! We will see what it's possible between Australia-east and south America. | |
| 02:53 | So dcook from which hour in the morning it could work? (no commitment) Or maybe it's never a good time in your schedule and you have already a lot to keep up with. | |
| 02:54 | Are there other people in Australia that could be interested in getting more involved and the meetings could be 1st step? | |
| 02:55 | dcook | tuxayo: Good question. I do have a lot to keep up with. Between 9-5 is usually good. Other than that, it varies often :/ |
| 02:56 | Yeah I'm not sure. I think I might be the only person in Australia who interacts with the community still? | |
| 02:57 | Frido's 9am is my 6am, and my 2pm would be his 5pm. Tricky for sure. | |
| 02:57 | Actually, we have daylight savings time starting soon too.. not sure if that helps or hinders.. | |
| 02:59 | tuxayo | > Between 9-5 is usually good. |
| 02:59 | ok, I'll see how it goes. Especially with DST I have to find how to use zdump for future dates. | |
| 02:59 | zdump Australia/Sydney NZ Pacific/Tahiti America/Los_Angeles US/Central America/Lima America/New_York Chile/Continental America/Buenos_Aires UTC GB Europe/Prague Asia/Karachi | |
| 03:00 | Australia/Sydney Wed Mar 23 13:59:53 2022 AEDT | |
| 03:00 | NZ Wed Mar 23 15:59:53 2022 NZDT | |
| 03:00 | Pacific/Tahiti Tue Mar 22 16:59:53 2022 -10 | |
| 03:00 | America/Los_Angeles Tue Mar 22 19:59:53 2022 PDT | |
| 03:00 | US/Central Tue Mar 22 21:59:53 2022 CDT | |
| 03:00 | America/Lima Tue Mar 22 21:59:53 2022 -05 | |
| 03:00 | America/New_York Tue Mar 22 22:59:53 2022 EDT | |
| 03:00 | Chile/Continental Tue Mar 22 23:59:53 2022 -03 | |
| 03:00 | America/Buenos_Aires Tue Mar 22 23:59:53 2022 -03 | |
| 03:00 | UTC Wed Mar 23 02:59:53 2022 UTC | |
| 03:00 | GB Wed Mar 23 02:59:53 2022 GMT | |
| 03:00 | Europe/Prague Wed Mar 23 03:59:53 2022 CET | |
| 03:00 | Asia/Karachi Wed Mar 23 07:59:53 2022 PKT | |
| 03:00 | Without that I would need a lot of clocks on my wall. It would look nice though. | |
| 03:05 | > I think I might be the only person in Australia who interacts with the community still? | |
| 03:05 | AFAIK yes :( Hopefully that will get better in the future :) | |
| 03:06 | With 236 libraries in Hea, there should be more company or libraries having people spend time in the community! >_< damn tragedy of the commons. | |
| 03:17 | dcook | tuxayo: I think most of those are our clients ;) |
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| 03:20 | tuxayo | Good job anyway, for the 230 libraries and the community work ^^ |
| 03:20 | they should pay you more so you can hire help so you can be even more in the community :P | |
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| 06:56 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:56 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
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| 07:40 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 08:01 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:04 | matts | hi ! |
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| 08:16 | ashimema | morning |
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| 08:39 | udkoha | hi tuxayo, I just saw your question today- so here is the answer |
| 08:39 | for the last couple of days I stopped trying to debug cause sometimes it worked and sometimes not | |
| 08:40 | at the end I recognized, that stopping Komodo didn't not work correctly and there were a couple of komodo processes still running | |
| 08:41 | but we will keep trying this again | |
| 08:41 | today I have another question concerning how perl counts lines :-) | |
| 08:42 | in our /etc/cron.daily/koha-common we get this error mesage every day | |
| 08:42 | Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Overdues.pm line 653. | |
| 08:45 | is line 653 really line 653 including all comments or does perl count only the real code lines? | |
| 08:46 | only to be sure not looking at the wrong place in the code - presumably we have no branchcodes: $branchcodes->[0] eq '' | |
| 08:57 | it seems to be a notice or warning cause we do not have overdues at all in our test instance :-) | |
| 09:16 | Joubu | udkoha: it's a bug, please report it. You can safely ignore it however. |
| 09:16 | udkoha: you can link the bug report with bug 25790 (see "depends on") | |
| 09:16 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25790 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nugged, ASSIGNED , [OMNIBUS] warnings removal |
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| 10:19 | udkoha | OK - thanks ! |
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| 10:47 | tcohen | mtj++ |
| 10:48 | * cait1 | waves |
| 11:05 | oleonard | o/ |
| 11:08 | cait1: I had a question about acquisitions yesterday... maybe you can answer it | |
| 11:10 | ashimema | hi oleonard 🙂 |
| 11:10 | oleonard | On the "receive" page (parcel.pl?invoiceid=X) there appears to be a check for outstanding holds designed to prevent the cancellation of an order if there are outstanding holds. |
| 11:11 | In my testing it doesn't look like that check works... It doesn't block you if there are holds. But... it should, right? | |
| 11:11 | I had to roll Koha back a long way to find a version where the check worked, which made me doubt | |
| 11:13 | ashimema | interesting |
| 11:13 | I kinda assumed it worked when I saw it in code.. but never actually tried it | |
| 11:13 | I would assume it should work.. or at least warn the user trying to cancel it that there is an outstanding hold | |
| 11:14 | oleonard | If there's no handling of the hold in the cancellation process that would be bad. Or would the database handle it? |
| 11:18 | No, cancelling by itself doesn't affect the bibliographic record | |
| 11:19 | So maybe holds don't matter?? | |
| 11:19 | cait1 | oleonard: hm we are on an old version but I can't say I ever had this check appear for me |
| 11:19 | i think maybe it's to avoid having holds on a record without items | |
| 11:20 | cancelling the order line would remove the order items, if none are left you might get one of thos eproblematic holds | |
| 11:20 | or if there was an item hold even, not sure what exactly is checked - It could be we blocked cancelling to have people handle the holds separately? | |
| 11:21 | oleonard | So perhaps an item-level hold should block cancelling, but a biblio-level hold should just trigger a warning |
| 11:21 | (I don't know if we have that kind of granularity available at the moment) | |
| 11:24 | cait1 | me neither, but it would make sense I guess |
| 11:26 | oleonard | I should have pinged tcohen because he was actually the last one to work on the page I think |
| 11:30 | Yeah you better run! | |
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| 11:31 | Joubu | @later tell fridolin follow-up on bug 29788 is fixing critical bugs! |
| 11:31 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:32 | cait1 | oleonard: silly question, can you remind me what the key combination is for Y/N in circ? |
| 11:33 | oleonard | I actually don't remember, I'd have to look at the template |
| 11:34 | Oh, it's by accesskey so it might depend on your browser | |
| 11:35 | So for me on a Mac in Firefox it was ctrl+alt+y | |
| 11:36 | But ctrl+alt+n does nothing :( | |
| 11:37 | Looks like we don't have all the bases covered. | |
| 11:37 | Joubu | oleonard: you have outstanding holds without items attached? |
| 11:38 | If you have items attached you shouldn't be able to delete the order | |
| 11:38 | oleonard | If you haven't received an order, does the item exist to have an item-level hold placed on it? |
| 11:38 | Joubu | if you have holds you shouldn't be able to delete the items |
| 11:39 | oleonard | Joubu: Delete the items in what context? |
| 11:41 | Joubu | Sorry, haven't read the discussion, maybe I am not making sense |
| 11:42 | oleonard | My question is about whether you should be able to cancel an order if there are holds on the record. |
| 11:42 | Joubu | I created an order (with item created), closed the basket, placed a biblio-level hold |
| 11:42 | and I am seeing, on parcel.pl: | |
| 11:42 | Can't cancel order and delete catalog record | |
| 11:42 | 1 item(s) left | |
| 11:42 | 1 hold(s) left | |
| 11:42 | oleonard | But it doesn't block you from simply cancelling the order (only from cancelling and deleting the catalog record) |
| 11:43 | Joubu | correct |
| 11:44 | oleonard | Joubu: There appears to be a check in the template intended to block cancellation if there are holds, but it doesn't work. |
| 11:44 | Joubu | and it was blocking in older version, is that what you said earlier? |
| 11:44 | oleonard | Yes, a long time ago. But it doesn't look like it was a deliberate decision to remove it. |
| 11:46 | Joubu | oleonard: caused by bug 20212 |
| 11:46 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20212 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Improve performance of acquisitions receive page |
| 11:46 | Joubu | the fix is: |
| 11:46 | - if ( row.current_holds_count > 0 ) { | |
| 11:46 | + if ( row.biblio.holds_count > 0 ) { | |
| 11:47 | oleonard | That was my conclusion as well, but I wanted to double-check that it was the behavior we wanted since it's been broken for a while (longer than since 20212) |
| 11:47 | tcohen | Joubu: how can that be a fix? |
| 11:48 | oleonard | row.current_holds_count doesn't seem to exist |
| 11:48 | tcohen | ah |
| 11:48 | well that's a problem | |
| 11:49 | maybe some rebase messed with the x-koha-embed | |
| 11:50 | please let me know if you file a bug about it | |
| 11:50 | oleonard | There is a row.current_item_level_holds_count but I'm not sure it's working either. It evaluates "0" when there is an item-level hold on one of the bibliographic record's items. |
| 11:50 | ...unless it's only supposed to count item-level holds on the item which is part of the order? | |
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| 11:52 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard, Joubu: this shuold be the fix IMHO" (22 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/8358 |
| 11:52 | Joubu | I am not on it |
| 11:53 | tcohen | ah, bug 24440 |
| 11:53 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Add ->current_item_level_holds to Koha::Acquisition::Order |
| 11:54 | tcohen | that one renamed current_holds to current_item_level_holds, oleonard |
| 11:54 | and it seems that an embed was missing as well | |
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| 12:19 | tcohen | oleonard: wanna talk about that issue with orders? |
| 12:21 | oleonard | I think we have a correct solution for counting biblio-level holds, but I'm not sure if there should be different handling of item-level holds |
| 12:25 | tcohen | reading back code from 19.11.x |
| 12:26 | it seems that the holds that could should come from that method you mentioned | |
| 12:27 | [% IF ( loop_order.left_holds_on_order ) %] | |
| 12:27 | that case prevented cancelling an order | |
| 12:28 | $line{left_holds_on_order} = 1 if $line{left_holds}==1 && ($line{items} == 0 || $itemholds ); | |
| 12:29 | left_holds = $biblio->holds->count ? 1 : 0 | |
| 12:30 | $itemholds is basically Koha::Acquisitions::Order->current_item_level_holds->count | |
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| 12:31 | marcelr | o/ |
| 12:31 | tcohen | so, overall, I think we renamed current_holds => current_item_level_holds and forgot to adjust the embed and the table |
| 12:31 | but I now see there's the case the items are created on receipt | |
| 12:31 | marcelr | tcohen never forgets |
| 12:32 | tcohen | haha |
| 12:32 | marcelr: did you buy your tickets for MArseille? | |
| 12:32 | c'mon | |
| 12:33 | a couple pints and you're back | |
| 12:33 | ashimema | do it... do it... |
| 12:33 | marcelr | no i still have the money :) |
| 12:34 | tcohen | c'mooooon |
| 12:38 | oleonard | I thought I'd tested the page immediately before 20212 and found that it wasn't working then, but I guess I was wrong. |
| 12:39 | It does block cancellation for biblio or item-level holds. | |
| 12:46 | tcohen | do you think that's a good behavior? |
| 12:47 | it sounds weird to me | |
| 12:47 | (BTW) | |
| 12:48 | oleonard | Weird how? |
| 12:50 | tcohen | why wouldn't we just cancel the hold on cancelling the order instead? |
| 12:51 | oleonard | Don't we usually let the librarian handle cancelling holds? In case they want to contact the patron? |
| 12:52 | Did the addition of cancellation reasons change this at all? | |
| 12:52 | tcohen | hm |
| 12:52 | you are correct | |
| 12:52 | oleonard | I would think that the existence of a hold might make the user reconsider whether the order should be cancelled. |
| 12:52 | tcohen | but it should be done on the same page I guess |
| 12:53 | oleonard | I think step one is to bring back the previous behavior: any hold blocks cancellation of the order. |
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| 12:54 | oleonard | Bug 30342 |
| 12:54 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30342 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Incorrect check for outstanding holds on order receive page |
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| 13:08 | cait1 | oleonard: accesskey gives me something to look up :) |
| 13:08 | thanks | |
| 13:39 | oleonard: firefox: alt+shift in windows and edge: alt | |
| 13:39 | it works :) | |
| 14:21 | tuxayo | hi #koha :) |
| 14:25 | oleonard | Hi tuxayo |
| 14:32 | udkoha | I have a question concerning plugin development |
| 14:33 | do I have to restart koha-plack every time when I upload a plugin ? | |
| 14:34 | I'm playing aroungwith the KitchenSink plugin and modify it all the time | |
| 14:35 | the changes only work when I restart koha using koha-plack --restart <instance> | |
| 14:35 | ashimema | I symlink a git clone of the plugin so I don't have to re-upload it |
| 14:35 | but one does still need to plack restart to get the code changes lodade | |
| 14:36 | unless you run under cgi instead of plack.. i.e. the old way | |
| 14:36 | udkoha | ah - thanks - it's strange that uninstalling + re-installing does not work |
| 14:36 | ashimema | I actually run my dev env with a plack runner inside koha testing docker and a cgi running on the local machine |
| 14:36 | udkoha | I'm a newbie - I do not know the old way :-) |
| 14:37 | I'm happy that the new way in koha-testing-docker is working for me | |
| 14:37 | :-) | |
| 14:37 | ashimema | yeah.. it does feel odd that we don't do some magic to reload on plugin upload |
| 14:37 | tcohen may have some advice there.. he's more up to date and experienced in developing plugins then me at the moment 😉 | |
| 14:37 | udkoha | but for testing purposes it's OK - thanks for your immediate response and help ! |
| 14:38 | ashimema | k-t-d is certainly the most optimal I reckon.. no need to go backwards |
| 14:46 | tuxayo | udkoha: in koha-conf.xml, you can plack_max_requests to 1 to have it always reloading the code. |
| 14:47 | It should be slower but still decent. | |
| 14:47 | udkoha | cool ! should perhaps be the default for koha-testing-docker , thx ! |
| 14:48 | tuxayo | might be too slow to be the default |
| 14:48 | since the idea isn't to load/recompile the perl code on each request | |
| 14:49 | You can tell us if you feel a different on the load times | |
| 14:49 | *difference | |
| 14:50 | meeting in 10 min! | |
| 14:50 | qa_team? | |
| 14:50 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
| 14:51 | nugged | o/ |
| 14:51 | tuxayo | you're baaaaaack! ❤️❤️❤️❤️ |
| 14:51 | wahanui++ | |
| 14:51 | rangi++ | |
| 14:51 | rmaints? | |
| 14:51 | wahanui | rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
| 14:51 | tuxayo | good bot wahanui ! |
| 14:51 | hi nugged :) | |
| 14:53 | nugged | tuxayo: 🤗 |
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| 14:57 | tuxayo | ashimema: «it does feel odd that we don't do some magic to reload on plugin upload» |
| 14:57 | According to starman's doc, a SIGHUP should do the trick. | |
| 14:57 | udkoha | settings plack_max_requests to 1 is pretty damn good for seeing changes immediately when uploading a plugin |
| 14:58 | cait1 | oh meeting! |
| 14:58 | wahanui | somebody said meeting was over :) |
| 14:58 | udkoha | in my opinion kohadev is still fast enough to work with |
| 14:58 | tuxayo | wahanui: no! |
| 14:58 | wahanui | tuxayo: what? |
| 14:58 | tuxayo | nugged: IIRC, you will be at the hackfest right? |
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| 14:58 | tuxayo | udkoha: great! How about the loading times? |
| 14:58 | cait1 | tuxayo: if you end up using a dashboard or so for progess, woudl you make sure I get the link? |
| 14:59 | i'd like to try and do some from here... maybe I can be a ghost .) | |
| 14:59 | udkoha | little bit slower - but I have to rebuild the docker container |
| 14:59 | to make this change persistant | |
| 14:59 | ashimema | oop, |
| 14:59 | sorry, around now | |
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| 15:00 | ashimema | hackfest! |
| 15:00 | wahanui | it has been said that hackfest is a state of mind (and freedom to ignore everythign that isn't a bug) |
| 15:01 | tuxayo | cait1: ok |
| 15:02 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022 | |
| 15:02 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Mar 23 15:02:11 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:02 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_23_march_2022' |
| 15:02 | tuxayo | #topic Introductions |
| 15:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:02 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo S.L., France |
| 15:02 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 15:02 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 15:02 | tuxayo | rmaints? |
| 15:02 | wahanui | rmaints is probably khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
| 15:02 | AndrewFH | #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, ByWater Solutions, USA |
| 15:02 | tuxayo | qa_team? |
| 15:02 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
| 15:03 | nugged | #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
| 15:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:05 | udkoha | tuxayo: I found this information : echo "DROP DATABASE koha_kohadev; CREATE DATABASE koha_kohadev;" | koha-mysql kohadev |
| 15:05 | marcelr | #info marcelr |
| 15:05 | udkoha | it seems to me that if I would change this , than I couldd make my koha-testing-docker DB persistant |
| 15:05 | true? | |
| 15:06 | sorry persistent | |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | udkoha: I never used persistance. the kp alias should do the trick. Can't say more, it's meeting time ^^ |
| 15:06 | cait1 | we just started a meeting - maybe better to sort this out a little later or in pm |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_23_March_2022 Today's agenda |
| 15:07 | #topic Announcements | |
| 15:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | Anything to announce that doesn't fit in another topic of the agenda? |
| 15:08 | ashimema | none from me |
| 15:08 | tuxayo | Hackfest will be next week! |
| 15:08 | nugged | 👍 |
| 15:08 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 15:09 | ashimema | 44 attendees too 🙂 |
| 15:09 | so, 38 of them are local. ish | |
| 15:09 | but still.. nice to see people going | |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | No need to be a dev to attend, registration: email paul.poulain AT biblibre DOT com |
| 15:10 | Joubu | Is Cheese Day on Wednesday as usual? |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | Any news from the survey for the attendance of the KohaCon? |
| 15:11 | ashimema | Tuesday by the looks Joubu |
| 15:11 | tuxayo | (for electing the venue size) |
| 15:11 | ashimema | Arrosoir... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]debpMnoXVLYFDenm) |
| 15:11 | Joubu | ho! hadn't looked at the other tabs :D |
| 15:12 | tuxayo | ↑ name of the meals providers |
| 15:12 | * ashimema | has no idea what most of those mean.. |
| 15:12 | ashimema | * but does recognise Fromage, hehe |
| 15:12 | tuxayo | Arrosoir is the name of the thing to water on plants ^^" |
| 15:12 | nothing else to announce? | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | https://www.arrosoir-marseille.com/ |
| 15:13 | ashimema | watering can.. lol |
| 15:13 | cool | |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) |
| 15:13 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (22.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | Apologies from Fridolin |
| 15:13 | «I've pushed recently some major bugs to master, RMaints please have a look if it is not too late for this month release.» | |
| 15:13 | rmaint? | |
| 15:14 | wahanui | somebody said rmaint was definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others. |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | rmaints? |
| 15:14 | wahanui | rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | see ↑ |
| 15:14 | Joubu | and master is failing because of bug 30165 |
| 15:14 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30165 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Several q parameters break the filters |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | Good to have the RM assistants :) |
| 15:15 | ashimema | hmm, weird |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | anything else from RM assists ? |
| 15:16 | Joubu | nope |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 15:16 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | rmaints? |
| 15:16 | wahanui | rmaints is, like, khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | Release planned today or tomorrow |
| 15:17 | AndrewFH | Hi! nothing special for me, also planning to release today or tomorrow |
| 15:17 | tuxayo | Recent security done. See the website and upgrade! |
| 15:17 | *security release | |
| 15:17 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 15:17 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:17 | tuxayo | qa_team? |
| 15:17 | wahanui | i guess qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
| 15:18 | marcelr | still looking at some Auth stuff ;) |
| 15:18 | tuxayo | Even if I'm late to the party, I'm reviewing bug 19532 I found a few things to ask and maybe indices to add. Still need to continue, it's a big one. |
| 15:19 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Pushed to master , Recalls for Koha |
| 15:19 | Joubu | I have something to say about my QA work. I am playing the "give and take" game but loosing at the moment |
| 15:19 | marcelr | i am always loosing that game |
| 15:19 | * tuxayo | doesn't know the give and take game |
| 15:19 | Joubu | I may stop QA until I am getting a better the balance |
| 15:19 | marcelr | no way Joubu |
| 15:19 | Joubu | why not? |
| 15:19 | marcelr | you cannot quit |
| 15:20 | Joubu | I need attention on some of my stuffs, I am considering important |
| 15:20 | ashimema | I've not kept up this month Joubu |
| 15:20 | apologies | |
| 15:20 | Joubu | QAing is adding more conflicts |
| 15:20 | ashimema | yeah.. know the feeling |
| 15:20 | kidclamp | I will respond to direct requests, but have had a hard time getting tot he queue |
| 15:21 | ashimema | I'll try hard to get to some of your again asap |
| 15:21 | tcohen | hola |
| 15:21 | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Cordoba | |
| 15:21 | * ashimema | has a few EDI and SIP bugs in his queue looking for QA attention.. been meaning to poke Kyle for those for a few days. |
| 15:22 | ashimema | most of Joubu's I've looked at recently have been discussion points and I've helped them edge forward but not done a full QA on as yet. |
| 15:22 | as ever, we need more people actively working on the QA queue.. 101 bugs in it at the moment. | |
| 15:23 | marcelr | it is the same thing as always |
| 15:23 | Joubu | and I QAed ~20 yesterday |
| 15:23 | marcelr | small stuff |
| 15:23 | ashimema | perhaps we need to help some of the newer QA team members know where to start.. |
| 15:24 | like, nugged, perhaps I could give you a quick run through how to find the quick QA's that really help keep the queue at bay whilst at hackfest? | |
| 15:24 | kidclamp, do you guys still have any community time actually set aside or is it all fitted in around the massive todo lists you already have? | |
| 15:25 | kidclamp | Fridays are intended as QA days - we have just been busy |
| 15:25 | * ashimema | is looking to try and re-introduce a community fridays effort at ptfs-e.. but I've been struggling to get on top of our own queues to free up that time |
| 15:25 | ashimema | okies |
| 15:25 | kidclamp | Kyle uses that time for RMaint right nowas well |
| 15:26 | ashimema | so we're all victims of our own success.. |
| 15:26 | kidclamp | We intend to be available mornings during hackfest |
| 15:26 | ashimema | yeah.. |
| 15:26 | tcohen | I can organize to QA more |
| 15:26 | ashimema | that's part of the problem.. we're pulling from the same very small pool of people |
| 15:26 | tcohen | but have had a rough couple months |
| 15:26 | tuxayo | kidclamp: that's great |
| 15:26 | marcelr | repeat that tcohen |
| 15:27 | ashimema | problem is really that's it's always the same small few doing it.. it only takes one or two of us to get busy and the queue quickly rockets up |
| 15:28 | anywho.. shall we move on | |
| 15:28 | tcohen | let's have a great QA friday this week to cheer up |
| 15:28 | ashimema | not one we're going to resolve here and now |
| 15:29 | ps, if your submitting patches.. setting patch complexity does help QA people pick their targets.. | |
| 15:29 | tcohen | Joubu's patches require a couple days each :-D |
| 15:30 | ashimema | having some trivial and smalls in the queue means it's easy to pick them out in small gaps between other things.. leaving that field empty immediately slows me down as I have to open the bug to know whether it's something I can pick off quickly or not. |
| 15:30 | haha.. yup | |
| 15:30 | and that's fine too.. just means one has to schedule time for them | |
| 15:30 | Joubu | it required a couple of hours to write, it sholdn't take a couple of take to review |
| 15:30 | tcohen | I'm personally comitted to working on the patron search bugs |
| 15:30 | Joubu | neither a couple of years to rebase... |
| 15:30 | a couple of days* | |
| 15:30 | * ashimema | too tcohen |
| 15:31 | tcohen | just been busy with the whole JSON::Validator upgrade stuff |
| 15:31 | which is... solved :-D | |
| 15:31 | ashimema | tcohen++ |
| 15:31 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 15:31 | ashimema | joubu++ |
| 15:31 | tcohen | batman++ |
| 15:31 | Joubu++ | |
| 15:31 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 15:31 | tuxayo | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 15:31 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:32 | tuxayo | #action fridolin checking the GUI tool for alter on AnonymousPatron |
| 15:32 | #action fridolin create bug report for skipping AnonymousPatron from delete_patrons.pl | |
| 15:32 | « tuxayo update wiki to remove ub16.04 support for Koha 21.11 (and check if MariaDB versions should change also) » | |
| 15:32 | done | |
| 15:32 | ashimema | I did my draft: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]a_new_plugin_hook |
| 15:32 | tuxayo | That's weird, for the release tested against UB 16.04, we only support MariaDB 10.1 when Ubuntu ships 10.1 |
| 15:33 | *ub 16.04 10.0 | |
| 15:33 | ashimema | nothing too controversial there |
| 15:33 | tuxayo | So people using Ubuntu 16.04 must get MariaDB from elsewhere? |
| 15:33 | ashimema | oh.. I also updated the dashboard to reflect more of the retired versions after last meeting. |
| 15:34 | tuxayo | Ok maybe they don't hit the thing that broke the compat with MariaDB 10.0 (IIUC, there was something) |
| 15:34 | ashimema | U16 should be retired on master too right? |
| 15:34 | not just 'disabled' | |
| 15:35 | tuxayo | ashimema: thanks for the draft! |
| 15:35 | and the dashboard | |
| 15:35 | wahanui | well, the dashboard is looking lovely |
| 15:35 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 15:35 | oleonard | Agreed wahanui |
| 15:35 | tuxayo | ashimema: retired on master: right! |
| 15:36 | * ashimema | wants to update the dashboard to latest bootstrap and things.. but that's a very long term goal |
| 15:36 | tcohen | lunchtime |
| 15:36 | tuxayo | It still looks quite nice as of now. |
| 15:36 | tcohen | koha++ |
| 15:37 | tuxayo | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 15:37 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:37 | tuxayo | «kohastructure.sql sync https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=29605#c54» |
| 15:37 | huginn | Bug 29605: major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, DB structure may not be synced with kohastructure.sql |
| 15:37 | cait1 | sorry on phone :( |
| 15:38 | ashimema | we do seem to get out of sync rather easily |
| 15:38 | nugged | catching up above message: ashimema and tuxayo and tcohen and joubu and fridolin - all what you said towards and what will be from me in Marseille - yes, many I plan to agree/coordinate with you. We are thrown a little with this war SERIOUSLY, that's why I dropped out a little. But: |
| 15:38 | yes, I plan in live to coordinate and took some regular load from April on QA + SO tasks, to load people in my small team (NOW YES! I have +1 Perl dev (!) guy in 2 weeks!) and also prepping in my customer librarians volunteers for S.O., | |
| 15:38 | also I need to take part with you ashimema in ILL - part in development for me + my team | |
| 15:38 | and with you joubu in ERM - part in development for me + my team | |
| 15:38 | more: I have some initiative around Ukraine, I will announce and get your feedback in live meeting on that. | |
| 15:39 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 15:39 | marcelr | we have DBIx for years, we should get rid of kohastructure ? |
| 15:39 | ashimema | deffo put life first nugged 🙂 |
| 15:39 | tuxayo | ashimema: it's about finding what to change in the RM process so kohastructure sync is kept? |
| 15:39 | ashimema | it's the whole process really.. |
| 15:39 | RM process and bug submission process | |
| 15:39 | tuxayo | marcelr: isn't kohastructure what set's up the DB on install? |
| 15:39 | ashimema | Joubu suggests it's the atomicupdates that end up out of sync.. |
| 15:40 | marcelr | yes but the idea was to use DBIx |
| 15:40 | ashimema | I found the oposite.. kohastructure got out for me |
| 15:40 | DBIx doesn't really solve it in itself marcelr | |
| 15:40 | tuxayo | > the idea was to use DBIx |
| 15:40 | oh it could be used for that, that's a lead. | |
| 15:40 | marcelr | why not ashimema |
| 15:41 | Joubu | kohastructure.sql provides us something easy to read, and easy to reset the DB with |
| 15:41 | ashimema | one would need some additional modules on top.. which from memory are Moose based |
| 15:41 | Joubu | it should be the reference IMO |
| 15:41 | ashimema | and.. you have to do clever things to work around the fact you have a class object before and after db change.. so you have to get creative |
| 15:41 | I don't think the atomicupdate stuff is bad in reality | |
| 15:41 | we just need to continue to refine it a little. | |
| 15:42 | Joubu | it's not a big deal, really, it's easy to fix |
| 15:42 | I don't think we should rethink the whole process for that | |
| 15:42 | RM should watch the update process and resync when needed | |
| 15:42 | marcelr | redundancy creates sync problems |
| 15:43 | ashimema | I think writing the update file is more difficult.. thus I'd say if someone write the update correctly and we generate kohastructure from it |
| 15:43 | indeed | |
| 15:43 | Joubu | I sent frido the steps but he didn't get back to me |
| 15:44 | tuxayo | nugged: hope your team manages to sort out the current mess, glad to see that you have more member! |
| 15:44 | * ashimema | would have said 1) Write and submit atomicupdate only, 2) kohastructure and then dbicdump run automatically on sandboxes and as part of release process |
| 15:44 | ashimema | thus we write once and build the rest from it. |
| 15:45 | Joubu | people interested in improving the process should come with a proposal |
| 15:45 | ashimema | that's basically how DeploymentHandler does it. |
| 15:45 | yeah | |
| 15:45 | Joubu | the thing is, now it's not synced and it needs to be fixed asap :D |
| 15:45 | ashimema | lets discus at hackfest Joubu.. I'm not wed to any plan.. just noticed it keeps getting out of sync 😉 |
| 15:45 | agreed | |
| 15:46 | Joubu | I later tell the RM twice already |
| 15:46 | + email this morning | |
| 15:46 | ashimema | ERM, Vue, React chat now? |
| 15:46 | tuxayo | « ERM Project using Vue (Joubu) » |
| 15:47 | > "I played with React" https://lists.koha-community.o[…]ruary/046926.html | |
| 15:47 | > Bug 30160 - Rewrite cities admin view in React | |
| 15:47 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30160 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Rewrite cities admin view in React |
| 15:47 | tuxayo | > "I played with Cypress (and ERM and Vue)" https://lists.koha-community.o[…]March/046956.html |
| 15:47 | > Bug 30225 - Rewrite cities admin view in Vue | |
| 15:47 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30225 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Rewrite cities admin view in Vue |
| 15:47 | tuxayo | > Remote branch: https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/-/commits/erm |
| 15:47 | > Sandbox to test: https://staff-erm.sandboxes.bi[…]erm/agreements.pl | |
| 15:47 | * ashimema | hasn't commented on the bugs yet to any real extent.. but has been working through them.. |
| 15:47 | Joubu | All the useful links are there, there is no much to add. |
| 15:47 | ashimema | So far I'm in the Vue camp |
| 15:47 | Joubu | People can just read the emails/patchs/discussions. |
| 15:47 | so far I am "Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 66 commits." | |
| 15:47 | and that's why I am rushing for 30063... | |
| 15:47 | ashimema | as for Cypress, I'm not at all up to date on testing frameworks and haven't got to that one yet.. it's next in my queue |
| 15:47 | tuxayo | bug 30063 |
| 15:47 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30063 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Make the main patron search use the /patrons REST API route |
| 15:48 | Joubu | I will certainly do a demo (show the code) during a hackfest session |
| 15:48 | But I would like it to be reserved to Koha active devs, the goal is not to demo Vue, but to show a Koha case. | |
| 15:48 | lukeg joined #koha | |
| 15:48 | Joubu | There is a sandbox with the code, I will try to kepe it up-to-date with the remote 'erm' git branch. |
| 15:48 | cait1 | sandbox sounds great |
| 15:48 | Joubu | (sorry for all the typos today) |
| 15:48 | cait1 | can you make sure the link gets outside of hackfest? :) |
| 15:48 | Joubu | It looks very trivial so far, but it's already a big amount of code, as I needed to build the ground. |
| 15:48 | nugged | I also want us on hackfest to cover ILL if possible (by latest 2021 ISO), but at least Martin's "taking over me" might be enough too to bootstrap me for that task too |
| 15:49 | ashimema | link is already on the mailing list cait1 |
| 15:49 | i believe | |
| 15:49 | cait1 | oh i missed it, ony saw the branch one ok |
| 15:49 | setting it up was a little too scary atm | |
| 15:49 | Joubu | t |
| 15:49 | there is a sandbox | |
| 15:49 | there is nothing to setup | |
| 15:49 | (and not much to test anyway) | |
| 15:49 | * ashimema | intends to pull tcohen into the ILL chat too nugged |
| 15:50 | Joubu | the point is not in testing, but getting feedback on the code |
| 15:50 | tuxayo | Joubu: nugged : add topics to the hackfest shared document. |
| 15:50 | cait1 | Joubu: i am just curious, I can wait |
| 15:50 | Joubu | and knowing if I continue that road, or rewrite everything "the old way" |
| 15:50 | tuxayo: yes, hadn't saw the other tabs of the doc, will add the topics after the meeting | |
| 15:51 | nugged | tcohen ashimema - any of you but I need someone to get me loaded with dev of that (and my small subteam). Also our library already setting up test server and they want me to set up any "alpha" of that ILL asap and they agree be "hard critics" for us to make it by ISO and test with external tools (so we already, let's say, have good testers!) |
| 15:51 | joubu: thought so, to add to that spreadsheet. Will do. | |
| 15:52 | tuxayo | Joubu: thanks for your time in making those experiments. Cypress code reads well. Your feedback about writing it is good. The limitations are not enough to block us. So that seems a good way forward :) |
| 15:54 | moving on? | |
| 15:54 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 15:54 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 March 2022) | |
| 15:54 | tuxayo | > New notices should always be using TT syntax. |
| 15:54 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:54 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 15:54 | ashimema | good call |
| 15:55 | #vote yes | |
| 15:55 | tuxayo | (proposal from cait1 ) |
| 15:55 | Joubu | she wanted us to agree on it and add it to the guidelines |
| 15:56 | marcelr | no need to vote then :) |
| 15:56 | ashimema | I can add it |
| 15:56 | tuxayo | Because the recalls new notices don't use tt IIRC |
| 15:56 | ashimema | recalls still needs allot of work now it's in |
| 15:56 | marcelr | they were wriitten in 2010 ? |
| 15:56 | ashimema | lots of modernisation and cleaning |
| 15:57 | it's in though now isn't it.. | |
| 15:57 | cait1 | yes, trying to kill the unwritten rule sa bit |
| 15:57 | I wanted to feature that topic in my qa email... but it didn't happen this week | |
| 15:57 | I think everytime we encounter something that we assume but haven't documented, a note on agenda would be great | |
| 15:58 | marcelr | and what about changing an existing notice ? |
| 15:58 | cait1 | updatng existing noties to TT is kinda hard |
| 15:58 | tuxayo | > it's in though now isn't it.. |
| 15:58 | Yes, it's in. Don't hesitate to write in the ticket (19532) what still needs to be done so it's not forgotten. | |
| 15:59 | marcelr | we should no longer write to 19532 |
| 15:59 | cait1 | for now we support both syntax and we still lack documentation (and consitency) for fully swiching to TT in my opinion |
| 15:59 | marcelr | add it on new reports |
| 15:59 | tuxayo | marcelr: ok, link to, then. |
| 15:59 | marcelr | that report explodes |
| 15:59 | cait1 | my main issue is that we need to make this easy to use for libraries |
| 15:59 | Joubu | notices for recall must be rewritten using TT syntax before 22.05 |
| 15:59 | cait1 | with the old syntax you can click |
| 16:00 | marcelr | the hybrid approach |
| 16:00 | cait1 | witht he new... you need to know object names and methods and... you know, it#s much harder than knowing the place in the db |
| 16:00 | marcelr | this is actually a wider discussion |
| 16:00 | cait1 | yes |
| 16:00 | * ashimema | worked hard on starting to update notices |
| 16:00 | ashimema | but it was a long game and didn't get much support from community |
| 16:00 | cait1 | just saying, I think we can't be too hard on that rules yet, becasue we make it so hard for libraries still |
| 16:00 | ashimema | another one of those.. if it take 2 years to get a simple patch through SO/QA.. I gave up on the wider project |
| 16:00 | cait1 | :( |
| 16:01 | ashimema | as for updating existing defualt notices.. that would be easy.. |
| 16:01 | just don't include an atomicupdate | |
| 16:01 | khall_ joined #koha | |
| 16:01 | cait1 | yes agreed |
| 16:01 | ashimema | only update the one used at install time |
| 16:01 | cait1 | but if you want libraries e able to modify, you need to give them docs |
| 16:01 | tuxayo | If there is no opposition let's add "New notices should always be using TT syntax" to the guidelines. |
| 16:02 | ashimema | well.. my intention was to improve the UI |
| 16:02 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo add "New notices should always be using TT syntax" in coding guidelines. |
| 16:02 | cait1 | i think it's ok, it will hopefully lead to more work in making things better |
| 16:02 | tuxayo++ | |
| 16:02 | ashimema | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_template_toolkit |
| 16:02 | done | |
| 16:02 | tuxayo | ashimema++ |
| 16:03 | cait1 | ashimema++ |
| 16:03 | ashimema | I have a feeling the old roadmaps Joubu did have expired ☹️ |
| 16:03 | but I had a plan in at least 3 of those conseculitively.. | |
| 16:03 | and it included making the UI much clearer for TT.. | |
| 16:04 | having clear lists of usable variables for each notice rather than the weird sometimes works sometimes doesn't mix we have right now | |
| 16:04 | plan was to use the dbic schema's to generate actually usable variables you could use in a picklist instead | |
| 16:04 | anywho.. that's going a bit off topic | |
| 16:04 | Joubu | https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap |
| 16:04 | still there | |
| 16:04 | Status: Groundwork underway | |
| 16:04 | ashimema | nice one Joubu |
| 16:05 | the accounts one's were where I gave up.. I had them waiting on cait for years | |
| 16:05 | and they were never paid for devs in the first place 😉 | |
| 16:05 | sorry cait.. know your busy | |
| 16:06 | * your busy too | |
| 16:06 | cait1 | yeah, i keep trying, but there is still not much time for QA and hasn't been for a while, I apologize |
| 16:07 | ashimema | from memory this was just first run testing |
| 16:07 | and they likely need an extensive and difficult rebase now | |
| 16:08 | the other big one I'm keen to get moving at hackgest is AV translations | |
| 16:08 | shall we end the meeting? | |
| 16:08 | Joubu | yes |
| 16:09 | thd | For roadmap I now have a comprehensive fix for a bug which had crept into automated updating of test wiki. PHP composer dependency is often out of phase with MediaWiki and has to be version constrained which I had previously fixed partially. Partial fix with warnings from slogging without enough sleep was not satisfactory. |
| 16:09 | tuxayo | ashimema: the PERL30 draf |
| 16:10 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:10 | ashimema | fire away |
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| 16:10 | tuxayo | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]a_new_plugin_hook |
| 16:10 | let's read that. Any question before voting? | |
| 16:11 | ashimema | I'm sure wording could be refined.. but it gives us a starting point |
| 16:12 | tuxayo | #startvote Validate PERL30 draft? Yes, no, abstain. |
| 16:12 | huginn | Begin voting on: Validate PERL30 draft? Valid vote options are Yes, no, abstain, . |
| 16:12 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 16:12 | tuxayo | #vote yes |
| 16:12 | ashimema | #vote yes |
| 16:12 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 16:12 | cait1 | #vote yes |
| 16:13 | tuxayo | Make sense, that could lead to subtle bugs. Any existing hook to rework? |
| 16:13 | thd | #vote yes |
| 16:14 | tuxayo | #endvote |
| 16:14 | huginn | Voted on "Validate PERL30 draft?" Results are |
| 16:14 | Yes (5): Joubu, ashimema, tuxayo, thd, cait1 | |
| 16:14 | tuxayo | #Set time of next meeting |
| 16:15 | Shall we aim for oceania + americas next time? Fridolin can't keep coming in the middle of the night. | |
| 16:15 | ashimema | sounds reasonable to me |
| 16:15 | oleonard | Sounds fair to me |
| 16:15 | nugged | yeah |
| 16:16 | * ashimema | has leave coming up so I'm not sure if I'll be there.. but will try |
| 16:16 | nugged | which new time might be? - few hours from current time or +? |
| 16:16 | ashimema | Any existing hook to rework? - I think Kyle already worked through to correct them all |
| 16:16 | * nugged | living on EET |
| 16:17 | tuxayo | 6 april. 9am NZ, 17:00 argentina |
| 16:17 | We can reach Australia but that would make 19:00 for tcohen | |
| 16:17 | ashimema | gotta go.. parents evening |
| 16:18 | bye | |
| 16:18 | cait1 | I have to leave too - if it's not super early in the morning I'll try to catch the meeting |
| 16:18 | bye all | |
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| 16:19 | tuxayo | Let's try to Australia this time. |
| 16:20 | #info Next meeting: 6 April 2022, 22 UTC | |
| 16:20 | 9am AU east, 11am NZ: 19:00 argentina | |
| 16:20 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:20 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 16:20 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Mar 23 16:20:55 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:20 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-03-23-15.02.html | |
| 16:20 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-03-23-15.02.txt | |
| 16:20 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]23-15.02.log.html | |
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| 18:10 | tcohen | mtj[m]: I updated using your really5.07 package, but pmvers still says 5.05 |
| 18:55 | t/db_dependent/Koha/Items.t | |
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| 19:39 | tcohen | hi fridolin |
| 19:50 | fridolin | tcohen: yellow |
| 20:00 | tcohen | are you pointing me to jenkins? LOL |
| 20:02 | damn it | |
| 20:02 | :-D | |
| 20:03 | now to jump into another rabbit hole | |
| 20:03 | :-/ | |
| 20:12 | fridolin | ich sorry |
| 20:13 | i had a look but no idea how it has an impact on ut | |
| 20:13 | Bug 30165 hein | |
| 20:13 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30165 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Several q parameters break the filters |
| 20:37 | tuxayo | fridolin: «yellow» lol, a bit cold 🥶 |
| 20:38 | anyway, hi :) | |
| 20:38 | fridolin: ready for the travel to the hackfest? How much time will you need to come? | |
| 20:39 | fridolin | tuxayo: 10^64 thanks for last dev meeting |
| 20:40 | ive created next on 12:00 Tahiti, even if i will be in France ^^ | |
| 20:40 | i fly from Friday 23:00 to Sundy 8:00 | |
| 20:40 | saturday is crunched into TZ :) | |
| 20:40 | tuxayo | 😵 |
| 20:41 | fridolin | and we fly during France season time change => GMT+1 to GMT+2 |
| 20:41 | this appends Sunday at 3:00 ouf | |
| 20:41 | tuxayo | > even if i will be in France |
| 20:41 | April 6 you will still be in France! | |
| 20:42 | fridolin | my kids are very happy, food and tv for 20h |
| 20:42 | tuxayo | *!? |
| 20:42 | fridolin | yep i staying 3 weeks |
| 20:42 | tuxayo | they are comming? :D |
| 20:42 | fridolin | seeing familly and friends |
| 20:42 | yep wife and kids | |
| 20:42 | but not to Marseille sorry | |
| 20:43 | tuxayo | We will always have plenty of Frido for the hackfest! :D |
| 20:43 | *already | |
| 20:43 | I didn't choose the right meeting to make it compatible with Oceania 🤦 | |
| 20:44 | fridolin | yep, youll see my surfer-style long hairs |
| 20:44 | tuxayo | ! |
| 20:44 | :D | |
| 20:44 | fridolin | and trimmed beard |
| 20:44 | great changes ^^ | |
| 20:44 | tuxayo | do you have tan from the sun? |
| 20:44 | fridolin | indeed ! |
| 20:45 | tuxayo | ☀️☀️🔥 |
| 20:46 | > we fly during France season time change => GMT+1 to GMT+2 | |
| 20:46 | So my calculations for the meeting will be wrong, damn! | |
| 20:48 | fridolin | ah no, time change is only for France, summer hour |
| 20:49 | 12h00 Tahiti will mean midnight France | |
| 20:50 | 22:00 UTC | |
| 20:52 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 19532: (RM follow-up) Fix DBIx schema on old <https://git.koha-community.org[…]480276e9110e933e0> |
| 20:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 29788: (follow-up) Make Koha::Item->safe_to_delete use Koha::Result::Boolean <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9464da5b46ff4f68a> | |
| 20:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 26328: Add test <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ee3a81e4ddfdcf424> | |
| 20:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 29802: add 'me' to filter_by_visible_in_opac query <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7661b761ef2e7b504> | |
| 20:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 30294: Rename Koha::Recall->* used relationship names <https://git.koha-community.org[…]69a23b4be4910dcc7> | |
| 20:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 29802: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7da24abace6abd59a> | |
| 20:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 26328: Cast barcode from varchar to integer for incremental barcode <https://git.koha-community.org[…]4ed60c7237e49642b> | |
| 20:54 | tuxayo | fridolin: NZ and AU will also change. |
| 20:55 | Ok no change for Tahiti | |
| 21:01 | fridolin | ahhh oki |
| 21:01 | they change to "winter" hour | |
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| 21:18 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍄🍣🍨 |
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