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| 07:23 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:53 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 08:41 | fridolin | hihi |
| 08:42 | magnuse | hoho |
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| 08:59 | nlegrand | Bonjour ! |
| 09:08 | ashimema | Mornin' |
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| 10:10 | magnuse | should MARC21slimUtils.xsl for opac and intranet be identical? |
| 10:26 | ashimema | pass |
| 10:27 | it's all very quiet in here today | |
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| 10:32 | ashimema | tuxayo, did you get anywhere on bug 18017 |
| 10:33 | did you need a biblibre bod to help get it over the finish line? | |
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| 11:38 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:40 | slef | Hi oleonard |
| 11:40 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 11:40 | TimothyAlexis | I created an atomicupdate perl file, modified sysprefs.sql and also modified circulation.pref. Is the next step to run updatedatabase.pl to test? |
| 11:41 | oleonard | That sounds right to me TimothyAlexis |
| 11:41 | TimothyAlexis | Since I updated koha-testing-docker, it fails to start with ku. |
| 11:42 | oleonard | TimothyAlexis: That often happens to me but then the second time I try it works |
| 11:42 | TimothyAlexis | Previously, I've needed to run 'kd' and then 'ku' again to get it working. |
| 11:43 | slef | Does anyone know why Koha/Token.pm isn't in master git branch? I've been out of koha's git for farrrr too long. |
| 11:43 | oleonard | TimothyAlexis: Yes, that's my experience too. |
| 11:43 | pastebot | "TimothyAlexis" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha_koha_1 exited with code 1" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27961 |
| 11:43 | TimothyAlexis | This time it seems to be something with ES |
| 11:44 | es_1 | [1]: max virtual memory areas vm.max_map_count [65530] is too low, increase to at least [262144] | |
| 11:48 | I increased vm.max_map_count to 262144, still getting this though: | |
| 11:48 | koha_1 | {UNKNOWN}: DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha_kohadev.systempreferences' doesn't exist [for Statement "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM systempreferences"] at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Schema.pm line 1118. | |
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| 12:05 | cait1 | TimothyAlexis: do you want to share how your update file looks like? |
| 12:05 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 12:05 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 12:05 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #518: FIXED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/518/ |
| 12:05 | cait1 | slef: not sure about what this one does, sorry, maybe just moved? |
| 12:07 | nlegrand | I've update to last 20.11 and that updated translation, and I have a funny error: En |
| 12:07 | tity 'nbsp' not defined | |
| 12:07 | We use a lot none breaking space in French. | |
| 12:08 | Maybe we should use   in translations instead of ? | |
| 12:08 | Or did I just misse something? This is a package install. | |
| 12:10 | cait1 | slef: https://git.koha-community.org[…]ter/Koha/Token.pm |
| 12:11 | nlegrand: they are not valid in the xslt | |
| 12:11 | you need to remove them there | |
| 12:12 | are you using custom xslt by chance? | |
| 12:12 | bug 25381 | |
| 12:12 | nlegrand | cait1: nope. (I mean... not yet!) |
| 12:13 | My concern is I think I'm using community XSLT with community transtlation :) | |
| 12:14 |   is very valid in XSLT :) | |
| 12:17 | magnuse | kia ora slef! |
| 12:18 | i just did a git pull and i have Koha/Token.pm in place | |
| 12:22 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:23 | TimothyAlexis | cait1: This also happens when I start koha-testing-docker with the master branch checked out' |
| 12:25 | cait1 | nlegrand: i know you can make use of them, but check the bug, it has an explanation |
| 12:25 | it's a security thing is what i get | |
| 12:25 | not to use entities at all | |
| 12:25 | nlegrand: maybe it slipped back inot the translations, although i thought we did clean them up | |
| 12:25 | TimothyAlexis: still not a koha-testing-docker user :( but maybe tcohen? | |
| 12:28 | Joubu | TimothyAlexis: is your ktd repo up-to-date? |
| 12:28 | TimothyAlexis: see also the README | |
| 12:28 | 225 Increase *vm.max_map_count* kernel setting to at least 262144: | |
| 12:29 | ha sorry, it's what you did | |
| 12:29 | nlegrand | cait1: $ grep -c -r nbsp misc/translator/po/fr-FR-marc-UNIMARC.po |
| 12:29 | 94 | |
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| 12:29 | nlegrand | cait1: this is master. |
| 12:30 | cait1 | nlegrand: i am not sure, sorry |
| 12:30 | nlegrand | cait1: perl -ilol -n -E 's/ / /g;print' misc/translator/po/fr-FR-marc-UNIMARC.po do the job, but I'm not sure It's the right way to correct this, the op are imported from somewhere right? |
| 12:31 | s/ op / po /; | |
| 12:32 | I'll ask Séverine, she knows more about translations than I do :) | |
| 12:33 | Arg, she's not working today... | |
| 12:33 | Joubu | nlegrand: you need to fix it in pottle |
| 12:34 | maybe ask Bernardo to do it for you | |
| 12:34 | nlegrand | Joubu: oy ve. I'll try to find someone else to do it '^^ |
| 12:35 | Ho great, who is Bernardo? | |
| 12:35 | tcohen | he's not on IRC (usually bgkriegel) |
| 12:35 | not now, I mean | |
| 12:35 | ping him, bgkriegel at gmail | |
| 12:36 | nlegrand | tcohen: thanks! |
| 12:42 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 12:42 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 12:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1574: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1574/ |
| 12:45 | nlegrand | I wrote to bgkriegel and cced fridolin. |
| 12:49 | slef | cait1: magnuse: OK, I'll kick my git and see what it's got wrong. |
| 12:51 | thanks for checking | |
| 12:52 | fridolin | nlegrand: ah, french translation team has directiv to not use anymore in translation |
| 12:52 | to much messy | |
| 12:52 | and it is useless | |
| 12:52 | slef | ok, my git clone had lost its tracking information... |
| 12:52 | fridolin | we use regular space |
| 12:53 | nlegrand | cait1: thanks for the bug. |
| 12:54 | fridolin: well, it's full of or did I fail my rebase? And not just the French translation... | |
| 12:55 | fridolin: why not use  ? I was about to write to kohala to warn translators, do you think it's useless? | |
| 12:55 | fridolin | nlegrand: translation is made by non-cyborg poeple so we try to keep it simpel ;) |
| 12:56 | no warn is always good | |
| 12:56 | oleonard | fridolin: non-cyborg *as far as we know* |
| 12:57 | slef | --set-upstream seems to have fixed my problem. At least the bug still exists there. |
| 12:57 | nlegrand | fridolin: I won't let you say no-break space is useless. I would also love to see narrow no-break space widely used in French translations! XD |
| 12:57 | fridolin | ^^ |
| 12:58 | nlegrand | fridolin: ok then! Dank je wel! |
| 12:58 | slef | Does no-break space have a useful function in French? In English, its main function seems to be to make wrapped lines look ugly ;) |
| 13:00 | oleonard | I'm not able to think of a good reason to use . I have a habit of adding it to an empty <th> but I think that dates back to the 1990s. |
| 13:00 | nlegrand | slef: we use spaces or narrow spaces before : ; ? ! » and after «. A no-break space prevents your ponctuation from beginning the next line :) |
| 13:00 | oleonard | Ah that makes a lot of sense |
| 13:01 | ...but is an unfortunate workaround for a problem which should be fixed by the browser's localization :( | |
| 13:01 | fridolin | indeed |
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| 13:03 | nlegrand | oleonard: nice point. I think it's an old habit from times where we add less automated goodies. I used to do it un lot in TeX or HTML. Now I don't write anymore so I can't really tell. |
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| 13:08 | nlegrand | fridolin: but still, 20.11.03 XSLT translations are broken as of now or is it just me? |
| 13:08 | And master by the way. | |
| 13:11 | fridolin | nlegrand: aarf i will test |
| 13:12 | nlegrand: please contact mailling list gt_traduction_kohalaframalistes.org |
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| 13:33 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1575: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1575/ |
| 13:42 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #484: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/484/ | |
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| 14:06 | slef | nlegrand: oh yeah, the bizarre French attitude to double punctuation |
| 14:10 | Joubu | khall_: did you see my comment on 27837? |
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| 14:50 | caroline | ashimema: are you testing things? should I not merge all the requests? |
| 14:50 | Joubu | ashimema: ping 27048 |
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| 15:21 | ashimema | working with bernardo right now on getting the 20.11 translations working |
| 15:21 | something funky going on there | |
| 15:22 | oops. sorry.. been meaning to reply to that. | |
| 15:22 | I'm not sure we need to label it.. but am happy to do so if you think so ; | |
| 15:22 | domm | is there way (besides dumping/restoring tables) to import/export serials? |
| 15:23 | Joubu | domm: no |
| 15:23 | ashimema: ok | |
| 15:23 | domm | Joubu: ok, thanks |
| 15:28 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1576: FAILURE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1576/ |
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| 15:30 | nlegrand | slef: what do you mean? |
| 15:30 | Joubu | what do you mean??? |
| 15:33 | oleonard-away | By extension the French have a bizarre attitude about English where they don't speak it all the time. |
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| 15:34 | caroline_catlady | lol! |
| 15:34 | nlegrand | French speaking English? I'm pretty sure this never happens. |
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| 15:46 | cait1 | :) |
| 15:46 | bye all! | |
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| 15:57 | tuxayo | ashimema: «tuxayo, did you get anywhere on bug 18017» |
| 15:57 | Got some advice of someone from BibLibre which clarified some of the stuff. And I asked a librarian if the UNIMARC part look good. | |
| 16:05 | slef | nlegrand: punctuation spaced like it's a word itself, rather than something applied to an adjacent word. It seems very strange to speakers of other languages. And even more strangely, Canadian French only puts extra spaces next to : « » and not ; ! ? |
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| 16:31 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #485: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/485/ |
| 16:31 | caroline | slef: it is weird when you put it like that... I'm just so used to it. |
| 16:32 | nlegrand | slef: well, it's something you get used to, like other strange things in a foreign language :) |
| 16:33 | slef | nlegrand: nearly 40 years and I am still not used to it ;) |
| 16:33 | Joubu | ashimema: Some failures from the transit patches, can you have a look please? https://jenkins.koha-community[…]0/485/consoleFull |
| 16:33 | nlegrand | I was first surprised when reading the TeXbook English could have double space after a period. And then I got used to it. |
| 16:34 | slef: oh well, somme people never changes :). | |
| 16:36 | slef | I think double space after a full stop is dying out. Mainly still used by people who learned to type pre-computer. Some touchscreen keyboards now punish it by switching the automatic capitalisation off when you press space a second time. |
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| 16:37 | nlegrand | I've got more trouble with French baroque orthography. English also have a baroque orthography by the way. |
| 16:39 | slef | I hear phrases like "baroque orthography" and am very glad I am a humble hacker :) |
| 16:39 | nlegrand | Ah! Punctuation problems and HTML with Bidi, let's talk about it. |
| 16:40 | In a table the direction of script is choosed at the top of the table, you can't change it in cells. | |
| 16:41 | slef | sounds like an oversight |
| 16:42 | nlegrand | The Koha search results are displayed in a table. If some results are in arabic or hebrew script and the table direction is from left to right, then you cannot say your arabic or hebrew parts should be from left to right. |
| 16:43 | And then you can see horrible things happening with punctuation. Worse than French punctuation :) | |
| 16:44 | Most of the time I pretend it doesn't exist to cope with the trauma. | |
| 16:44 | .In English et would look like this | |
| 16:46 | Anyway time to go! Bye koha, bye slef. | |
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| 16:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #519: FAILURE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/519/ |
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| 17:12 | tcohen | is there a reason the collate for authorised_values.authorised_value is case insensitive? |
| 17:12 | I think I already asked this around 2010 and my bug was closed, but I cannot find it haha | |
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| 17:31 | slef | tcohen: is there any speed or storage difference? If not, it may be an oversight from a past conversion. |
| 17:31 | tcohen | my hunch feeling is people might be relying on this, i.e. to be safe from bad data |
| 17:32 | slef | tcohen: and not finding bugs you know you filed is worse than me. I sometimes discover bugs I forgot I reported when I hit them again... sometimes even with a solution I forgot I developed. |
| 17:33 | tcohen | hahaha |
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| 17:53 | * cait | waves |
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| 17:53 | davidnind | hi cait! |
| 17:53 | cait | hi davidnind :) |
| 17:54 | thx for the sign-offs! | |
| 17:54 | you took some weight off me there | |
| 17:55 | davidnind | no problem, feel guilty sometimes about filing up the QA queuethough! |
| 17:55 | cait | don't :) |
| 17:55 | just... don't :) | |
| 17:55 | davidnind | :) |
| 17:57 | cait | tcohen: all the collations are case insensitive, only exceptions are the tables with subfield codes afaik |
| 17:57 | case insensitive is the default overall | |
| 17:59 | tcohen | right, the question is 'is there something that would prevent us from changing that, at least for AVs?' |
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| 18:11 | cait | tcohen: i tihnk this direction it should work? |
| 18:11 | meaning making something case insensitive is harder than making it stricter | |
| 18:11 | should be no trouble with existing data | |
| 18:21 | tcohen | cait tanks |
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| 20:35 | reiveune | bye |
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| 21:07 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1577: STILL FAILING in 4 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1577/ |
| 21:29 | mtj | hey #koha |
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| 21:30 | mtj | hi tcohen, Joubu.. any idea why ktd-20.11 builds are recently failing? |
| 21:31 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]-/jobs/1071187159 | |
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| 21:34 | mtj | build was ok before... |
| 21:34 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]-/jobs/1006727247 | |
| 21:39 | same problem with 20.05, but master images build ok | |
| 21:43 | we might need to switch to a 'Credentials store' to keep docker login happy... | |
| 21:43 | https://docs.docker.com/engine[…]credentials-store | |
| 21:47 | same problem with 19.11 now too :/ | |
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