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| 07:56 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 07:56 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
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| 08:29 | cait2 | hm these caits |
| 08:29 | good morning all | |
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| 08:33 | magnuse | cait2: the more the merrier! |
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| 11:14 | tuxayo | hi #koha o/ |
| 11:15 | oleonard | hi #koha o/ |
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| 12:28 | * cait2 | wishes she was really many caits |
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| 12:45 | oleonard | magnuse asked if I could still reproduce the problem described in Bug 22248 but I don't have any recollection of how I did it in the first place |
| 12:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22248 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Error when incrementing Mana comment |
| 12:45 | oleonard | I said, "When I select an existing Mana comment on a subscription ..." What does that mean? |
| 12:48 | cait2 do you know what I might have been talking about ^ | |
| 12:49 | January 2019 oleonard doesn't exist anymore. | |
| 12:52 | cait2 | sorry, my mana knowledge is minimal :( |
| 12:53 | oleonard | I think I loaded some Mana knowledge in my RAM long enough to test it and then flushed it. |
| 12:54 | tuxayo | Fair enough, the whole knowledge of Koha can't fit in one's brain |
| 12:56 | oleonard | tuxayo, that's exactly why I refused to learn some things ;) |
| 12:56 | cait2 | oleonard: that's a good description :) |
| 12:57 | tuxayo | oleonard: That and the time to use that knowledge |
| 13:09 | How does one enable email notification (to message_queue is enough) when a hold available for pickup? | |
| 13:09 | I can't find the syspref or the tool | |
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| 13:23 | severine_q | hello #koha ! |
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| 13:24 | tuxayo | found, it was in the patron's profile |
| 13:25 | hi severine_q o/ | |
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| 13:29 | severine_q | slut tuxayo !! |
| 13:29 | tuxayo | LOL |
| 13:30 | typo of month right here | |
| 13:30 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slut | |
| 13:30 | severine_q | argh... i'm so sorry !!!! |
| 13:31 | tuxayo | he he, no worries |
| 13:31 | severine_q | très vilaine coquille... |
| 13:33 | tuxayo | indeed ^^ |
| 13:33 | What's up around Koha on your side? | |
| 13:33 | cait2 | rofl |
| 13:33 | thx for brightening up my day :) | |
| 13:36 | tuxayo | The exclamation marks are the icing on the cake |
| 13:36 | cait2 | be careful or you'll get a new nickname :) |
| 13:37 | tuxayo | ho, right :o |
| 13:37 | severine_q | tuxayo you're making me feel worse each time you add a word !!!! |
| 13:37 | i'm so ashamed... | |
| 13:37 | * cait2 | sends cookies |
| 13:37 | cait2 | ... and runs into the next online meeting :( |
| 13:38 | number 4 | |
| 13:38 | severine_q | thanks cait2 ! |
| 13:38 | and be brave... | |
| 13:38 | cait2 | tcohen: around? |
| 13:38 | I'll try :) | |
| 13:38 | tcohen | yes |
| 13:38 | tuxayo | severine_q: don't worry, blame the keyboard :) |
| 13:38 | cait2 | did you have time yet to check the issue reported witht he display of the show analytics link? |
| 13:39 | tcohen | I'm on it at the moment |
| 13:39 | cait2 | ah thx |
| 13:39 | just worried about that one, but have lost track of it | |
| 13:40 | tuxayo | severine_q: congrats for bug 25700 BTW |
| 13:40 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, severine.queune, Pushed to master , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline |
| 13:40 | tuxayo | confetti! |
| 13:40 | wahanui | o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 13:42 | tcohen | cait2, Joubu marked it 20.11 |
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| 13:42 | tcohen | so it will magically get fixed |
| 13:42 | haha | |
| 13:42 | * tcohen | hasn't slept well |
| 13:42 | cait2 | the bug? |
| 13:42 | wahanui | the bug is that perl code is not activ since its not in PER5LIB |
| 13:43 | cait2 | can you give me the number tcohen? |
| 13:43 | tcohen | bug 26480 |
| 13:43 | cait2 | because the feature is already pushed |
| 13:43 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26480 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , With UseControlNumber on, "Show analytics" link doesn't show on parent record |
| 13:43 | severine_q | thanks tuxayo ! I'm hppy to help the community with a such important patch !! :) |
| 13:43 | cait2 | yes I believe that might be a mistake or up for discussion |
| 13:43 | we will advertise the feature and if it's broken, that's bad | |
| 13:44 | bug 15851 is in | |
| 13:44 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15851 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Only display "Analytics: Show analytics" when records have linked analytics |
| 13:46 | tuxayo | severine_q: yes! From time to time, I read the timeline to learn interesting stuff about Koha ^^ |
| 13:46 | Important for a project with so much history. | |
| 13:50 | cait2 | 20.11... sorry, the meetings are getting to my head. |
| 13:50 | we should fix in 20.11 | |
| 13:52 | tuxayo | severine_q: I have a question: do you use KohaDevBox or koha testing docker? |
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| 14:12 | severine_q | argh... I don't like this question tuxayo, let me check with Nicolas |
| 14:12 | magnuse | huh, didn't we have a thing where you could preview notices and slips by filling in borrowernumber, itemnumber etc? |
| 14:13 | severine_q | yes @mgnuse, when editing the notice but not for all of them I think |
| 14:13 | big problem with 'a' today... | |
| 14:14 | if I remermber well, for HOLD slip, you need to use a borrowernumber with an hold on an item | |
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| 14:15 | magnuse | can't see it for hold |
| 14:16 | but i can see it for checkin, so you are right | |
| 14:16 | severine_q++ | |
| 14:16 | tcohen | I need help with Zebra |
| 14:17 | ashimema | we have a zebra topic expert now |
| 14:17 | fridolin | |
| 14:17 | wahanui | fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11 |
| 14:17 | tcohen | I'm not sure why searching for rcn is returning no results |
| 14:17 | ashimema | you |
| 14:19 | fridolin | yepppp |
| 14:19 | i try to be on both Zebra en ES | |
| 14:19 | https://emojipedia.org/zebra/ | |
| 14:19 | 🦓 | |
| 14:19 | * ashimema | has let most zebra knowledge seep out of his brain at this point |
| 14:19 | cait2 | tcohen: can you try record-control-number instead? |
| 14:19 | i think one is the short form of the other | |
| 14:19 | fridolin | tcohen: what is rcn |
| 14:19 | biblionumber ? | |
| 14:19 | cait2 | it should work, but maybe it gives a clue |
| 14:20 | 77x$w | |
| 14:20 | ashimema | rcn = record control number |
| 14:20 | cait2 | 773$w in this case |
| 14:20 | ashimema | doesn't it? |
| 14:20 | cait2 | yes |
| 14:20 | fridolin | Record-control-number 1=1045 |
| 14:20 | rcn Record-control-number | |
| 14:20 | in ccl.properites | |
| 14:20 | cait2 | yep |
| 14:20 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "rootkohadevbox:koha(bug_26480" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26109 |
| 14:20 | severine_q | right @magnuse, it was HOLD_SLIP :) |
| 14:21 | fridolin | tcohen: ah maybe not a "known" index |
| 14:21 | tcohen | that would mean no record with that index has been added |
| 14:21 | but | |
| 14:21 | cait2 | can you share the record you expect? |
| 14:22 | rcn is an old index, it's already in use for many versions, so thisis odd | |
| 14:22 | fridolin | tcohen: i see Record-control-number:w, no : p |
| 14:23 | so you may add @attr 4=6 | |
| 14:23 | cait2 | fridolin: so only word list but no phrase... |
| 14:23 | fridolin | https://software.indexdata.com[…]el-bib1-structure |
| 14:24 | tcohen: use in staff simple search : ccl=record-control-number,alwaysmatches='' | |
| 14:24 | to get all records with any value$ | |
| 14:24 | tcohen | I see it there |
| 14:25 | but running this: | |
| 14:25 | xsltproc /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl <(sudo koha-mysql kohadev <<< \ | |
| 14:25 | "select metadata from biblio_metadata where biblionumber=438 limit 1\\G" | \ | |
| 14:25 | sed -n 's/metadata: //;2,$p' ) | |
| 14:25 | sorry | |
| 14:25 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "xsltproc /etc/koha/zebradb/mar" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26110 |
| 14:25 | tcohen | ^^ we should have an alias for that |
| 14:25 | cait2 | what is that? |
| 14:25 | wahanui | that is only updated manually, every now and then |
| 14:27 | tcohen | that command gives you the zebra indexes that would be generated for the biblio I specified |
| 14:27 | and I don't see Record-control-number | |
| 14:27 | forget that | |
| 14:27 | wahanui | tcohen: I forgot that |
| 14:28 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fridolin" (52 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26111 |
| 14:28 | tcohen | I typoed the biblionumber |
| 14:28 | on the query | |
| 14:29 | there, there is Record-control-number | |
| 14:30 | cait2 | tcohen: what frido was pointing out is that you can't search rcn as phrase |
| 14:30 | have you tried with the changed attribute? | |
| 14:32 | tcohen | I'm not sure how to do that on CCL |
| 14:33 | cait2 | how does the ccl look like now? |
| 14:35 | tcohen | record-control-number:17446121 |
| 14:35 | cait2 | hm |
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| 14:35 | tcohen | oh |
| 14:35 | cait2 | fridolin: ? |
| 14:35 | tcohen | I always forget |
| 14:36 | to use = instead of : :-D | |
| 14:36 | cait2 | oh |
| 14:36 | does that help it? | |
| 14:37 | tcohen | at least I know zebra has the things indexed correctly |
| 14:37 | I now need to see what changed since this was written | |
| 14:37 | because it was clearly working | |
| 14:38 | fridolin | ccl is : record-control-number,wrdl:17446121 |
| 14:38 | wrdl = word list | |
| 14:38 | oposit of phr = phrase | |
| 14:39 | but try also : record-control-number,alwaysmatches='' | |
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| 14:42 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fridolin: it works in Zebra. The problem is Koha" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26113 |
| 14:44 | fridolin | tcohen: ahhh yep koha replaces : with = ;) |
| 14:44 | tcohen | but why doesn't it return results :-D |
| 14:45 | "rcn:17446121 AND (bib-level:a OR bib-level:b)" | |
| 14:45 | undef | |
| 14:45 | \ [] | |
| 14:46 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ue/detail.pl#L157 | |
| 14:46 | fridolin | rcn is well in C4::Search::getIndexes |
| 14:46 | tcohen: opac of staff ? | |
| 14:46 | try ccl=record-control-number,alwaysmatches='' | |
| 14:47 | tcohen | That's the output from warning the output of search |
| 14:47 | I tried that, and it returns the record (amongst others) | |
| 14:47 | running the same query in Zebra gives results | |
| 14:47 | this is staff | |
| 14:48 | fridolin | crap |
| 14:54 | tcohen | something changed recently? |
| 14:54 | still cannot find it | |
| 14:54 | this is bug 26480 FYI | |
| 14:54 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26480 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , With UseControlNumber on, "Show analytics" link doesn't show on parent record |
| 14:54 | tcohen | any help is welcome |
| 15:03 | this is sad | |
| 15:03 | it is now working WTF | |
| 15:09 | there's some caching thing here | |
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| 15:43 | cait2 | tcohen: i DID have some trouble testing... but then it started to work and i was happy |
| 15:44 | i blamed myself | |
| 15:45 | tcohen | truth is: if you run the oneliner I pasted, you will notice our xslt produces the Record-control-number index for the record: GOOD |
| 15:45 | if you query Zebra for that Record-control-number, it doesn't find any results: BAD | |
| 15:46 | we could blame the indexer daemon, lets stop it just in case, full reindex, restart zebra | |
| 15:46 | do the query on Zebra again: no results: BAD | |
| 15:46 | that erratic behaviour is really odd | |
| 15:46 | it eventually showed up | |
| 15:47 | but the problem is not the feature per-se, it is the indexing | |
| 15:47 | if we showed the 'Show analytics' link all the time, it wouldn't show results either | |
| 15:48 | I mean, I'm searching directly in zebra | |
| 15:53 | caroline | Joubu: I relayed the message to Maryse |
| 15:54 | sorry I wasn't there yesterday to do it... I took a much needed mental health day | |
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| 16:05 | ashimema | how goes it today caroline :) |
| 16:05 | thanks for merging my cash management manual stuff :) | |
| 16:07 | caroline | bit better... but it's not something that will go away in one day :) |
| 16:08 | There is one merge request left, but it would rebase automatically | |
| 16:08 | today it's ok so I'll merge it | |
| 16:08 | ashimema | I can take a look |
| 16:09 | caroline | I don't know why it does this when people make several merge requests |
| 16:09 | and sometimes it resolves itself and sometimes not | |
| 16:09 | I'm not learned enough in git to understand why/what happens | |
| 16:10 | ashimema | git works in mysterious ways |
| 16:10 | caroline | lol! |
| 16:11 | ashimema | sorry for all the BZ spam btw people.. I'm cleaning up the old 'release-notes-needed' tags so we can see the wood for the trees |
| 16:13 | tuxayo | thanks ashimema |
| 16:13 | caroline | cleaning up is good |
| 16:15 | ashimema | there's loads of bugs with 'Manual' still on them.. we should probably go through and clean those out at some point too |
| 16:15 | but that's still partly to do with me not fully understanding your processes yet docs team :) | |
| 16:21 | 49 bugs.. that's a more manageable list now: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]20release%20notes | |
| 16:23 | * ashimema | has been contemplating the release notes again.. |
| 16:24 | ashimema | perhaps splitting them in two might help make them a bit more digestable.. a set of 'Technical notes' and a more 'End user notes' set perhaps |
| 16:24 | and using a 'technical' keyword in BZ to split them...? | |
| 16:25 | fridolin left #koha | |
| 16:25 | caroline | do we need to add release notes for technical stuff? |
| 16:25 | I'm not sure who those notes are targeting | |
| 16:26 | ashimema | cait still around? |
| 16:27 | cait cait1 cait2 cait2 | |
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| 16:28 | caroline | lol! |
| 16:28 | calling all caits around | |
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| 16:30 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (QA follow-up) Fix DB upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2a10c82962960e049> |
| 16:30 | News from kohagit: Bug 26948: Regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9146f1c5cf905e997> | |
| 16:30 | News from kohagit: Bug 22818: (QA follow-up) Respond to feedback <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]59f16cf18ab4e8904> | |
| 16:30 | News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (QA follow-up) Fix failing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3bde63b2c91962644> | |
| 16:30 | News from kohagit: Bug 26990: (bug 22284 follow-up) Prevent hold to be placed if cannot be transferred <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]978a198eea6fdd798> | |
| 16:30 | News from kohagit: Bug 26948: Remove double encoding from sent emails <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f85a9b32885c385ac> | |
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| 16:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11 build #140: FAILURE in 1 min 14 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/140/ |
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| 16:33 | ashimema | wizzyrea around?> |
| 16:34 | @seen wizzyrea | |
| 16:34 | huginn | ashimema: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> curses |
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| 17:14 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 17:14 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 17:14 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U16 build #127: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U16/127/ |
| 17:20 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 17:20 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 17:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #48: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]_Master_U2010/48/ |
| 17:24 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 17:24 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 17:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #440: FIXED in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/440/ |
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| 17:26 | cait2 | ashimema: sorry, didn't see you, will be bac in a bit from the other computer |
| 17:26 | cait2 left #koha | |
| 17:26 | ashimema | no worries |
| 17:26 | I got it sorted.. | |
| 17:26 | well.. I think I did | |
| 17:26 | just waiting for website cache | |
| 17:35 | tcohen | @later tell cait I'm getting closer |
| 17:35 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:37 | ashimema | Next meeting? |
| 17:37 | wahanui | well, Next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 17:37 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 17:37 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 17:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #463: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/463/ |
| 17:37 | ashimema | meeting |
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| 17:47 | tuxayo | Does anyone know SIP? It's about finding where the `patron status` field is. I'm looking for the `too many items overdue` field |
| 17:47 | https://copycat.drycat.fr/?411[…]h7bbcNCK9bziQU4gD | |
| 17:50 | oops, patron_information != patron_status_request | |
| 17:50 | 24 00120201112 175002AEEdna Acosta|AA23529001000463|BLY|CQN|AFGreetings from Koha. |AOCPL| | |
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| 17:59 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #142: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/142/ |
| 18:00 | caroline | meeting time? |
| 18:00 | ashimema | so my calendar tells me |
| 18:00 | thd | Some of clocks are in synch. |
| 18:01 | lucyvh | My calendar also |
| 18:01 | caroline | startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020 |
| 18:01 | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020 | |
| 18:01 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 18:01:22 2020 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 18:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 18:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020' |
| 18:01 | caroline | oh boy, it's going to be a long one, lol! |
| 18:01 | tcohen | cait I think I found it |
| 18:01 | oops | |
| 18:01 | caroline | #link agenda Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020 |
| 18:01 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Euope |
| 18:01 | caroline | #link agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_12_November_2020 |
| 18:02 | #topic Introductions | |
| 18:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 18:02 | caroline | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
| 18:02 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro | |
| 18:02 | lucyvh | #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS-Europe |
| 18:02 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 18:04 | thd | #info, Thomas Dukleth, New York City [A little pre-occupied with sometime employer in hospital] |
| 18:04 | caroline | #topic Review of action points |
| 18:04 | Topic for #koha is now Review of action points (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 18:04 | caroline | First action point was caroline will write out the current workflow |
| 18:05 | Which has been done, and is available here caroline will write out the current workflow | |
| 18:05 | omg... -_- | |
| 18:05 | caroline will write out the current workflow | |
| 18:05 | link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]l#How_do_Bugzilla.2C_Taiga_and_Gitlab_work_together.3F | |
| 18:05 | omg... sorry! | |
| 18:05 | ashimema | caroline++ |
| 18:05 | caroline | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]l#How_do_Bugzilla.2C_Taiga_and_Gitlab_work_together.3F |
| 18:06 | this was in response to a question by henryb about the workflow and how all the tools work together | |
| 18:06 | as we discussed last time, it's not the most optimal workflow, but it's the one we have right now | |
| 18:06 | lucyvh | Looks great, will be really useful |
| 18:07 | caroline | all the other action points were to try to optimize this |
| 18:07 | davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow | |
| 18:07 | david says he's still working on this | |
| 18:07 | #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow | |
| 18:08 | then I was supposed to check with ashimema on how to work ourselves in the dev workflow on bugzilla | |
| 18:08 | which I haven't done despite the reminder by ashimema lol! | |
| 18:08 | ashimema | so you guys don't use the 'Manual' keyword at all? |
| 18:08 | caroline | I've never used it |
| 18:09 | but maybe we should? | |
| 18:09 | I though that was your policy of having devs write better docs | |
| 18:10 | I'll actionize it again so I don't forget | |
| 18:10 | ashimema | well.. once upon a time I think it was used to make a bug that needed a manual entry writing still |
| 18:10 | caroline | #action caroline will check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the dev workflow |
| 18:11 | ashimema | whereas the 'Documenatation' component was more about 'bugs with the documentation' |
| 18:12 | but yeah.. we should work out a workflow for including both parties... making sure there's a smooth transition from 'dev has finished writing the code' to 'someone makes sure theres a corresponding manual update submitted' | |
| 18:12 | caroline | what is Manual - ByWater and Manual - PTFS-E on the main page? |
| 18:13 | ashimema | those are searches I introduced to try and encourage ptfs-e and bywater to write manual entries for the bugs they wrote.. |
| 18:13 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 18:13 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:13 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1494: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1494/ |
| 18:13 | caroline | are tey based on the Manual keyword? |
| 18:13 | ashimema | it filters on who wrote the bug (*@bywater.com or *@ptfs-europe.com) and having the keyword 'Manual'.. |
| 18:14 | then the idea as once they'd submitted a manual merge request they could remove the keyword | |
| 18:14 | yup | |
| 18:14 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 18:14 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:14 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #944: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/944/ |
| 18:15 | caroline | When is the best time to add this keyword? like should we have a list of things to go through? |
| 18:15 | ashimema | much like the 'release-notes-needed' Keyword is being used at the minute... if it's an enhancement or new feature at push time, the RM adds 'release-notes-needed' and then when we come to work on the release notes we work through all those with that keyword and as we add the release notes text we remove the keyword |
| 18:15 | well.. I'm not attached to doing it that way. | |
| 18:15 | it just 'a way' | |
| 18:15 | caroline | yeah but it seems a good way |
| 18:16 | then we could add the manual keyword to the Documentation to-do search | |
| 18:16 | ashimema | :) |
| 18:17 | caroline | We just need to determine when it's best that the docs manager go through and add the keyword |
| 18:17 | I guess I could do it from the release notes as I do it now | |
| 18:17 | ashimema | the challenge at the moment is that there's loads of bugs marked with the keyword and I'm not sure which ones have already been dealt with |
| 18:17 | well.. the RM could add the keyword upon pushing the feature | |
| 18:18 | kinda depends when we want the docs to be written | |
| 18:18 | caroline | but not necessarily every bug needs to go in the manual |
| 18:18 | ashimema | I've tried writing them before QA before.. but then QA often results in changes.. |
| 18:18 | caroline | like back-end stuff, we don't add to the manual |
| 18:18 | ashimema | agreed |
| 18:18 | so it needs a little interaction as to when something needs a manual update | |
| 18:19 | perhaps that could be part of QA? | |
| 18:19 | caroline | I don't want to add to your load |
| 18:19 | ashimema | who makes the call to say "I think this will need an update in the manual" |
| 18:19 | caroline | When I go through the release notes to add them to Taiga, I do a first screening |
| 18:20 | and then the writers do a more thorough one when they come upon this particular task | |
| 18:20 | lucyvh | I think perhaps we only need devs to do this for the bigger features? |
| 18:21 | But not sure how to define that? | |
| 18:21 | caroline | We can ask for help when it's too big |
| 18:21 | ashimema wrote a bunch for the cash management part since he worked so much on it | |
| 18:22 | lucyvh | Yes, that sort of development definitely |
| 18:22 | ashimema | so when do you tend to go through the release notes caroline? |
| 18:22 | to build your list.. at or just after release? | |
| 18:23 | caroline | I do it periodically with the commits on gitlab |
| 18:23 | it helps me see only the new stuff that's been pushed | |
| 18:24 | ashimema | reason I like the idea of adding the keyword at PQA time is that the QA person aught to have a good idea as to whether things have changed enough to warrant a manual entry and it also builds the queue of things to do before the release.. so we might stand a chance of having a manual to release with the release |
| 18:24 | hope that makes sense | |
| 18:24 | manuals tend to be a few month behind.. at lest | |
| 18:24 | caroline | yeah that's why I was using the release notes commits to see the pushes as they were pushed |
| 18:25 | (Joubu's suggestion, I need to give credit :) ) | |
| 18:25 | ashimema | coolios |
| 18:25 | that's a reasonable approach | |
| 18:26 | and means the manual keyword is a bit redundant | |
| 18:26 | caroline | So I could do the same and instead of adding a Taiga entry, I would just add the manual keyword |
| 18:26 | ashimema | taiga would in effect contain the same list |
| 18:26 | whatever you're most comfortable with | |
| 18:26 | just so long as we're all on the same page :) | |
| 18:26 | caroline | well, I think the purpose was to mlimit the number of tools we use |
| 18:27 | We can try it like this for the 21.05 release and see if it works better | |
| 18:27 | ashimema | it's very lightwieght to use bugzilla.. especailly as the release note drafts contain links to bugzilla.. you can quickly click through, add the keyword, then close the tab |
| 18:27 | that's how I did it as release manager | |
| 18:28 | caroline | ok so first we have to clean up the manual keyword |
| 18:28 | #action caroline will clean up the manual keywords in bugzilla | |
| 18:29 | ashimema | I can probably get cait/rangi to do that (that way they can do a mass clean and disable email so we don't spam the life out of people) |
| 18:29 | caroline | good idea! |
| 18:29 | #action ashimema will ask cait or rangi to clean up the manual keyword | |
| 18:29 | cait | oh no, i am missing the meeting, again |
| 18:30 | ashimema | were you going to draw a fresh line.. i.e. just remove the keyword as it stands from everything and start fresh for 21.05... I think that's probably the easyest thing to do |
| 18:30 | haha. | |
| 18:30 | naughty cait ;) | |
| 18:30 | caroline | #agreed for the 21.05 release we will try using the "manual" keyword instead of Taiga to build up the task list |
| 18:30 | cait | are here that many actually? |
| 18:30 | ashimema | \i'm just volunteering you for things |
| 18:30 | cait | I see |
| 18:30 | ashimema | 128 bugs with manual keyword right now cait |
| 18:31 | cait | but it's probably not going ot happen before next week |
| 18:31 | oh i thought it was only me using it :) | |
| 18:31 | caroline | no worries, it's for next release |
| 18:31 | cait | i could also try and fix them all... hm |
| 18:31 | ashimema | we're talking about making it a more official workflow cait :) |
| 18:32 | making us all a bit more joined up | |
| 18:32 | cait | sounds good - i meant writing manual patches for the ones i set myself would also be a way to get rid of them :) |
| 18:32 | caroline | info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is needed |
| 18:32 | # info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is neede | |
| 18:32 | #info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is neede | |
| 18:32 | * cait | sends cookies |
| 18:32 | caroline | thanks! I need some |
| 18:33 | ashimema | what I'd really like to see if submitters taking a bit more responsability for documenting their submissions... doesn't mean the dev has to write the docs (often us devs are terrible at writing docs people can understand)... but they can and should pester their companies to help them write docs |
| 18:33 | :) | |
| 18:33 | cookies ! | |
| 18:33 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 18:33 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:33 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #405: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/405/ |
| 18:33 | caroline | Can there be more than one assignee per bug? |
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| 18:34 | ashimema | afraid not.. though we could add a custom field to bugzilla easily enough |
| 18:34 | caroline | I could try to assign bugs to docs writers from compagnies of the dev |
| 18:34 | ashimema | for 'docs assignee' perhaps |
| 18:34 | caroline | but I think that would be a bit unfair |
| 18:35 | like kelly and lucyvh would end up with everything | |
| 18:35 | cait | we could propose it |
| 18:35 | i still think it might be nice to see if someone has already taken it on | |
| 18:36 | but a comment could work too until it gets a lot | |
| 18:36 | ashimema | I can very easily add the custom field.. just checking if I can make it like assignee allowing you to pick a bugzilla user |
| 18:36 | caroline | I think we should use the comments until we are happy with the workflow |
| 18:36 | change one thing at a time | |
| 18:36 | wahanui | caroline: that doesn't look right |
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| 18:37 | cait | who is supposed to set the new manual keyword after the clean-up? |
| 18:37 | can i still use it in qa when i notice something will need docs? | |
| 18:37 | caroline | I would |
| 18:37 | but yeah please do | |
| 18:37 | It would be the same basic thing I'm doing right now, go through release notes and add where I fell documentation is needed | |
| 18:38 | ashimema proposed to do it during qa, but I don't want to transfer this load to you necessarily | |
| 18:39 | I want to summarize what we agree on | |
| 18:39 | If someone has an objection, please voice it | |
| 18:39 | #agreed the manual keyword will replace taiga for the 21.05 release as a test for this workflow | |
| 18:40 | #agreed docs manager will go through release notes and add Manual keyword where it is needed | |
| 18:40 | ashimema | caroline++ #being generally awesome |
| 18:41 | caroline | #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword |
| 18:41 | * caroline | blushes |
| 18:41 | cait | there might be bugs (not enh) that warrant changes in the docs - so good to keep an eye out for those maybe |
| 18:41 | i qa | |
| 18:42 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 18:42 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #134: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_Deps/134/ |
| 18:42 | caroline | #info anyone can add Manual keyword if they feel it is needed |
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| 18:43 | caroline | #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05 |
| 18:43 | anything to add on the topic of workflow optimization? | |
| 18:44 | ok moving on... | |
| 18:44 | #topic Project updates | |
| 18:44 | Topic for #koha is now Project updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 18:45 | caroline | anyone has project updates? |
| 18:45 | thd wiki? | |
| 18:45 | thd | Yes. |
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| 18:47 | thd | I am arranging to have a special period of doing a job from a friends home in Washington, DC caring for his father for a couple of weeks which should give me some better concentrated isolation of sorts for the wiki. |
| 18:47 | talljoy | good day! |
| 18:48 | thd | That is likely to be the first two weeks in January. |
| 18:48 | caroline | cool! |
| 18:49 | I don't think there are any other updates on projects | |
| 18:49 | thd | I will not have my mother stopping me from doing things for Koha, because I am not doing any real travelling. |
| 18:49 | caroline | #topic What's been done so far |
| 18:49 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 18:50 | caroline | We've had a couple merge requests, so that's good |
| 18:50 | means the manual is being worked on | |
| 18:50 | I know I did a bit because it releives stress for me to work on this lol! | |
| 18:51 | lucyvh | I've managed just a couple - I'm struggling to update systempreferences.rst at the mo! |
| 18:51 | caroline | how are you struggling? |
| 18:51 | lucyvh | I think the file might be getting too big? |
| 18:51 | caroline | oh! |
| 18:51 | maybe we shoudl divide it up? | |
| 18:51 | lucyvh | It freezes in my browser so can't make updates? |
| 18:52 | My just be me :) | |
| 18:52 | caroline | ok I'll try to divide it more |
| 18:52 | by module | |
| 18:52 | I wanted to make smaller chapters anyway | |
| 18:53 | #action caroline (or anyone) to divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI | |
| 18:53 | lucyvh | It gives you more work - sorry caroline! |
| 18:53 | As I say, may just be for me? | |
| 18:53 | caroline | no worries, like I said it helps me relieve stress :) |
| 18:54 | lucyvh | :) |
| 18:54 | caroline | I procrastinate by being production on the manual |
| 18:54 | ashimema | some chapters are indeed pretty big |
| 18:54 | cait | it is our biggest, removing hte Administration bits was a first step, but it might not be enough for editing in the browser |
| 18:54 | string wise... prefs are massive | |
| 18:54 | you can see it on translate | |
| 18:54 | ashimema | haha.. I know that feeling caroline... |
| 18:54 | I have a very large 'procrastination list' | |
| 18:54 | cait | sometimes it's good because it gets other stuff done... |
| 18:54 | ashimema | indeed |
| 18:55 | caroline | it's something I feel I'm good at so it helps in moments where work is hard |
| 18:56 | lucyvh | I just need work to quieten down so I can do more manual stuff |
| 18:57 | caroline | #topic Content development guidelines |
| 18:57 | Topic for #koha is now Content development guidelines (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 18:57 | caroline | I had two things I wanted to discuss here, but it's getting late |
| 18:58 | After Julius' talk at Koha con on accessibility, I looked up how to add alt text to images in the manual | |
| 18:58 | #linkhttps://wiki.koha-community.or[…]and_Tricks#Images | |
| 18:58 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]and_Tricks#Images | |
| 18:58 | I put it here | |
| 18:58 | so when you add images, please add some descriptive text with it to help people with accessibility issues | |
| 18:59 | ashimema | cool caroline |
| 18:59 | I noticed there was a start on that :) | |
| 18:59 | caroline | #info when adding images, remember to add alt text for increased accessibility |
| 18:59 | lucyvh | Will do |
| 18:59 | caroline | I'll leavet he other points for next meeting |
| 18:59 | #topic Next steps | |
| 18:59 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
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| 19:00 | caroline | priority is to Work on new features and enhancements for 20.11 |
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| 19:00 | caroline | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 19:00 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020) | |
| 19:00 | thd | Obviously, with or without alt the text of the manual should make things clear. |
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| 19:01 | caroline | 4 weeks from now is dec 10 |
| 19:01 | is that good? | |
| 19:01 | thd | Trying again: Obviously, with or without alt text for images, the text of the manual should make things clear. |
| 19:01 | caroline | thd indeed |
| 19:02 | lucyvh | Dec 10 good for me |
| 19:02 | caroline | but if someone with a screen reader is read "image1455" it's not clear if the image adds to the text or not |
| 19:02 | I for one would be curious what "image1455" is... | |
| 19:03 | Usually images in the manual just show what that part of Koha looks like, images don't necessarily add to the text, but blind people can't know that | |
| 19:03 | so just wirting "add new item type form" at least tells them they aren't missing out on anything important | |
| 19:03 | (I think( | |
| 19:04 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #945: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/945/ |
| 19:04 | thd | 10 Dec++ |
| 19:04 | ashimema | yup |
| 19:04 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 10 December 2020, 18 UTC |
| 19:04 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 19:04 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 19:04:57 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:04 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-11-12-18.01.html | |
| 19:04 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]0-11-12-18.01.txt | |
| 19:04 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]12-18.01.log.html | |
| 19:05 | caroline | thanks everyone for your imputs! |
| 19:05 | and I apologize again for my shaky chairing, today is just weird | |
| 19:05 | lucyvh | thanks Caroline, bye all |
| 19:05 | * caroline | goes to pet her cat |
| 19:05 | ashimema | caroline++ |
| 19:05 | you did great | |
| 19:06 | caroline | thanks ashimema! |
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| 20:01 | henryb | Sorry I missed the meeting! It looks like it was a really productive one. |
| 20:02 | caroline++ | |
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| 20:17 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 21:36 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
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| 21:46 | cait | hello |
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| 21:58 | magnuse | wie gehts cait |
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| 22:10 | cait | too busy as always, and you? |
| 22:10 | magnuse? | |
| 22:10 | wahanui | well, magnuse is really waiting for the self check vendor to tell me if they can send 99 less often |
| 22:14 | magnuse | doing a long overdue upgrade from 19.05 to 19.11 |
| 22:15 | wahanui: forget magnuse | |
| 22:15 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot magnuse |
| 22:16 | cait | hope it goes well :) |
| 22:16 | don't stay up too late! | |
| 22:16 | good night all! | |
| 22:16 | magnuse | good night cait |
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