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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | Not worth the effort of trying to fix it now |
| 00:00 | Or even improve it really.. | |
| 00:03 | * dcook | wishes he had infinite time >_> |
| 00:04 | cait | pick your battles wisely |
| 00:06 | * oleonard | waves |
| 00:14 | dcook | heh |
| 00:14 | hey oleonard | |
| 00:14 | wahanui | oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though |
| 00:15 | oleonard | Thanks wahanui that comment is perpetually accurate! |
| 00:15 | * dcook | thinks every new bug report on Bugzilla might be from dcook.. |
| 00:17 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 00:17 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 00:17 | cait | unusual time to see you :) |
| 00:17 | dcook | Still early! |
| 00:18 | oleonard | Yeah, hopping on the computer to tie up some loose ends from work today |
| 00:18 | cait | what timeis it for you? |
| 00:18 | dcook | loose ends, eh.. |
| 00:18 | * dcook | pictures oleonard as an action movie hero now |
| 00:19 | dcook | Wait.. |
| 00:19 | Usually the person tying up the loose ends is a bad guy.. | |
| 00:21 | oleonard | Of course I'm the bad guy. We live in the evil mirror universe. |
| 00:21 | dcook | Now how to test this bloody koha-z3950-responder... |
| 00:21 | Ooooh. I wondered why I always liked the bad guys in movies | |
| 00:21 | I thought it was just because they had cooler outfits | |
| 00:23 | Hmm now to figure out whether my patch broke the z3950 or if it ever worked in this context.. | |
| 00:24 | Yeah thinking it might just never work.. | |
| 00:25 | * oleonard | melts back into the fog |
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| 01:53 | mtj | hey #koha |
| 01:53 | dcook: thanks for the package email to the list yesterday | |
| 01:54 | dcook | No worries |
| 01:54 | I'm hacking up a storm about it right now lol | |
| 01:54 | Hungry for lunch though so maybe I'm just delusional | |
| 01:55 | mtj | there was an option 5 too... koha-core becomes a new package, thats basically koha-common without the 'extra' stuff |
| 01:55 | dcook | Oooo |
| 01:55 | That's basically what I'm doing right now | |
| 01:56 | Although the more I look at it, the more I see everything as extra stuff... heh | |
| 01:57 | I'm tempted to write replacements for pwgen, unzip, and xmlstarlet... | |
| 01:58 | We even overuse mysql-client imho.. | |
| 01:59 | bug 26672 | |
| 01:59 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26672 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Create metapackage to install Koha and all its dependencies |
| 01:59 | mtj | as joubu sais, there are a few problems with option 4, as koha-core will inherit all the deps of koha-common |
| 02:00 | dcook | Yeah, at first I thought that wasn't so bad, but now I see more things to pare away |
| 02:00 | I don't think Koha even uses "at" | |
| 02:00 | And "yaz" looks like it's really more of a sysadmin tool than a tool Koha needs | |
| 02:01 | Also, libnet-stomp-perl shouldn't be in debian/control.in, right? | |
| 02:01 | It should be handled by debian/list-deps? | |
| 02:01 | I'm going to open a new bug to move Starman into cpanfile as well | |
| 02:01 | no rest for the wicked O_O | |
| 02:01 | Although totally going to go eat lunch in like 5 minutes.. | |
| 02:03 | bug 26685 | |
| 02:03 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26685 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Move Starman out of debian/control.in and into cpanfile |
| 02:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U16 build #86: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U16/86/ |
| 02:19 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 02:19 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 02:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #96: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D10_Deps/96/ |
| 02:21 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 02:21 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 02:21 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11 build #111: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/111/ |
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| 05:08 | mtj | dcook: re: libnet-stomp-perl, i think you are correct |
| 05:08 | dcook | Thanks :) |
| 05:08 | Don't think I made a patch for that in the end.. | |
| 05:09 | mtj | no probs, i can |
| 05:11 | ..a bit offtopic, anyone used bolinda borrowbox with a kindle paperwhite-4 (asking for a friend) | |
| 05:15 | hmm, looks like only the kindle fire is supported, so a workaround is to use adode digital-editions to manually transfer to the device | |
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| 06:25 | ashimema[m] | Source files layout.. there's a bug to improve that great dcook.. I think rangi wrote it.. may be in the security area |
| 06:25 | I've tried resurrecting it a few times.. wouldn't mind someone else having a go | |
| 06:26 | TimothyAlexis | Today when I do ku I get this: |
| 06:26 | koha_1 | Base class package "Email::Stuffer" is empty | |
| 06:27 | .. | |
| 06:27 | koha_1 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Email.pm line 29. | |
| 06:27 | .. | |
| 06:27 | ashimema[m] | Bug 9949 dcook |
| 06:27 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9949 is not accessible. |
| 06:27 | TimothyAlexis | koha_koha_1 exited with code 1 |
| 06:28 | ashimema[m] | Kohadevbox received some maintenance to fix a few bugs yesterday TimothyAlexis |
| 06:28 | You may want to pull the latest and restart it | |
| 06:28 | Also.. have you considered koha-testing-docker... It's more widely used and thus well supported these days. | |
| 06:28 | TimothyAlexis | I've completely replaced koha-testing-docker and koha |
| 06:29 | And still get this | |
| 06:29 | ashimema[m] | Oh.. your in koha-testing-docker |
| 06:29 | docket system prune -af | |
| 06:29 | Then ku again | |
| 06:30 | That should clean out all images and then pull fresh.. that one also had a bunch of fixes yesterday | |
| 06:31 | TimothyAlexis | :) |
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| 06:37 | TimothyAlexis | ashimema++ |
| 06:37 | Thank you | |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:45 | severine_q | Morning #Koha ! |
| 06:48 | ashimema[m] | It's a sledgehammer approach.. but as it's docker I tend to use it fairly often rather than digging more deeply.. for Dev a sledgehammer isn't too bad |
| 06:48 | Good morning everyone | |
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| 06:51 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 06:51 | wahanui | hi, alex_a |
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| 07:20 | Joubu | eythian: me again :) Could we get your opinion (as former pkg manager) on that move: https://lists.koha-community.o[…]tober/046061.html |
| 07:21 | tld; having a koha-lite, koha-full and koha-core package | |
| 07:21 | and keep koha-common for compatibility | |
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| 07:46 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 08:27 | jonrog | Hello! Recently we've started to get problems while trying to import ILL-requests. The error message says: |
| 08:27 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_koha`.`biblio_metadata`, CONSTRAINT `record_metadata_fk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`biblionumber`) REFERENCES `biblio` (`biblionumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE) [for Statement "INSERT INTO `biblio_metadata` ( `format`, `marcflavour`, `metadata`) VALUES ( ?, ?, ? )" | |
| 08:27 | Does anyone know what the problem might be and how to fix it? | |
| 08:28 | Some items are getting imported but then that happens and the import-module crashes | |
| 08:29 | Joubu | Hi jonrog, technically it means that the an insert into biblio_metadata fails because there is no entry into the biblio table |
| 08:29 | so maybe there is another error before this one? | |
| 08:31 | jonrog | Joubu: It says before the error message "Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 696." and after "Broken FK constraint" |
| 08:32 | So i guess the script is handling the data wrong in some way? | |
| 08:38 | Joubu | and before? |
| 08:38 | :) | |
| 08:38 | search for another DBD error | |
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| 08:56 | * cait | waves |
| 09:07 | * ashimema[m] | tries to understand notices.. |
| 09:07 | ashimema[m] | morning cait |
| 09:07 | cait | good morning |
| 09:08 | ashimema[m] | silly question.. why can you currently add a new notice with any code you like... |
| 09:08 | what would it be used for? | |
| 09:08 | I thought the codes were fixed as notices are all internal.. or am I missing a functionality somewhere? | |
| 09:09 | cait | odue |
| 09:09 | for example is not fixed | |
| 09:09 | patron ontification on serials is not fixed | |
| 09:09 | jonrog | Joubu: Thats literally all i get from the error message |
| 09:10 | cait | there are several notices that have no fixed codes but can be configured elsewhere |
| 09:10 | ashimema[m] | ooh.. how does that work? |
| 09:10 | cait | serial claims, acq claims |
| 09:10 | well for overdue letters you can have as many as you like, it only has to have the circulation module and you define what to use when in the ontice triggers | |
| 09:10 | ashimema[m] | interesting.. where do you set the relation between the thing that triggers the send and the notice code |
| 09:10 | interseting | |
| 09:10 | cool | |
| 09:11 | cait | for subscriptions you can set the alert email in each subscription from a pull down, also the module is used to limit the list |
| 09:11 | ashimema[m] | thanks |
| 09:11 | cait | similar to the claim emails, you cna pick the one you want to use from a pull down created using the module when claiming |
| 09:11 | ashimema[m] | that's very interesting |
| 09:12 | cait | and i think there is also a patorn mailer plugin using notices somewhow that bywater uses |
| 09:12 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 09:12 | ashimema[m] | so I could easily enough setup a way to adding different notices for each credit/debit type code |
| 09:12 | cait | oh wahanui |
| 09:12 | it might be nice to add a new module for them instad of having them all in circulation | |
| 09:12 | also allows you to define which tables will show | |
| 09:12 | to pick values from | |
| 09:13 | ashimema[m] | deffo |
| 09:13 | I'm thinking 'accounts' as we have a precident now for various accounts things living in such an area | |
| 09:13 | cait | accounts would make sense to me |
| 09:13 | Joubu | jonrog: sorry, I have no idea then. Maybe you could report the issue on our bug tracker? |
| 09:13 | ashimema[m] | may alos move the Point of Sale on into it.. as they're so closely related really |
| 09:14 | cait | but not sure libraries want to maintain too many notices - the debit/credit types can get a little confusing |
| 09:14 | ashimema[m] | indeed |
| 09:14 | cait | please not all on that one bug :) |
| 09:14 | ashimema[m] | right now the notices are plain confusing for it |
| 09:14 | Joubu | It's Friday, notices will haunt you the full weekend if you are starting digging this area :D |
| 09:14 | ashimema[m] | that one bug is a bloody pain |
| 09:14 | cait | Joubu: i think it's way too late for him by now |
| 09:14 | ashimema[m]: try to come back to a simple solution, odn't dig yourself in too much *sends cookies* | |
| 09:15 | * cait | also sends cookies to tcohen |
| 09:16 | Joubu | lol |
| 09:16 | it's not Friday :D | |
| 09:17 | ashimema[m] | hehe |
| 09:17 | wishful thinking there Joubu | |
| 09:18 | Joubu | I will be off tomorrow, so today is like a Friday to me :) |
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| 09:22 | ashimema[m] | lucky |
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| 09:35 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard what about bug 26534 comment 44? |
| 09:35 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:36 | cait | hm bug report on ill backend... invalid? |
| 09:36 | magnuse: around? | |
| 09:43 | @seen kidclamp | |
| 09:43 | huginn | cait: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <kidclamp> I did wonder which would be more efficient |
| 09:43 | cait | @seen khall |
| 09:43 | huginn | cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <khall> matts thanks! |
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| 09:48 | magnuse | cait: i think that problem has to be solved in the backend (that i wrote), yes. but i have not looked properly at it yet |
| 09:54 | cait | ok, thx! |
| 09:56 | Joubu | ashimema[m]: see last comment on bug 26172 please |
| 09:56 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a cashup summary view (with option to print) |
| 09:56 | Joubu | penultimate actually |
| 09:57 | ashimema[m] | the ON DELETE CASCADES |
| 09:57 | hmm | |
| 09:57 | * ashimema[m] | reminds himself how all this works.. it sounds like your right |
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| 09:58 | ashimema[m] | have a feeling my brain wasn't awake when I added that accessor |
| 09:59 | liliputech_asu | hi koha :) |
| 09:59 | Joubu | I don't know what's the expected behaviour, ashimema[m]. But it sounds wrong to remove the register's actions alongwith the patron |
| 09:59 | ashimema[m] | I agree |
| 09:59 | very good catch there mate | |
| 09:59 | thanks | |
| 10:00 | as you say.. it's not directly related to this bug.. but worthwhile fixing here whilst we spot it | |
| 10:00 | OK with me doing that and providing a followup now? | |
| 10:05 | Joubu | nope, on a separate bug report please |
| 10:07 | ashimema[m] | okies |
| 10:07 | now I look at it, I feel like there's a few issues with constraints on these | |
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| 10:22 | tcohen | morning |
| 10:22 | cait | morning tcohen |
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| 10:44 | cait | tcohen: running dbic right now and being happy |
| 10:44 | tcohen | glad to hear that cait |
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| 10:44 | tcohen | FYI I'll be doing QA today and tomorrow, once I finish this little thingy |
| 10:44 | cait | reset_all probably after that... this one has some massive db changes |
| 10:45 | knock on wood... the little thingies are dangerous | |
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| 10:57 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 25460: DBRev 20.06.00.052 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b9299dd22be1ef35b> |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b49edb1b6a5ce880a> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26643: Notify librarian of completed transfers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4cd1eaf91635d22b7> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 25898: (follow-up) POD <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc3a350d811adc1a9> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26621: Adjust docs/contributors.yaml accordingly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2554da111ca6b0efd> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26621: Adjust .mailmap to reduce the number of invalid authors <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ed01a6986fabaa7b0> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26617: Update INSTALL file to include koha-testing-docker and Gitlab links <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6301a0e08cef7d48f> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 25460: (QA follow-up) Remove stray quote from system preference description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]23d3634db78ba0303> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 25460: (QA follow-up) Readd ending punctuation to sys pref description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e4b50edc2fe6f9ca6> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26643: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in message <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]60ad44aec3a1ba71a> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 18170: Use GetDescriptionByKohaField <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b10c5b65156920df1> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Use IF ELSE directly on h5 opening tag <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bb34f0f0838cd82d3> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Replace 'grade' by 'is-patron' and 'patron-type' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]57e8b798d1fd95ed2> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26534: (follow-up) Only center when using patronimages <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]015a035a9d23cfcfa> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26534: (QA follow-up) Fix CSS declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ee27a12604c8344b3> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Add Font Awesome icon only for staff patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6209bd29c18dbd3fe> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 18170: Show damaged status in table of checkins <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c3291e0dc508665b6> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Add unit test for change to C4::OAI::Sets->UpdateOAISetsBiblio() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]64c322c3754b1948a> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 25898: Prohibit indirect object notation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9b36f596d88f38eda> | |
| 10:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Update OAI sets when adding/editing/deleting item records <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c75daea98187c422b> | |
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| 11:00 | oleonard | I guess I'm back a little late to comment on Bug 26534 :D |
| 11:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26534 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to master , Add Font Awesome icon to help identify staff patrons |
| 11:01 | oleonard | FWIW I think it looks good |
| 11:01 | cait | :) |
| 11:01 | tcohen++ reset_all is working again too | |
| 11:09 | hi khall | |
| 11:09 | wahanui | somebody said hi khall was my consciousness present in this realm? |
| 11:10 | khall | mornin cait ! |
| 11:10 | cait | can i wrangle some QA out of you? :) |
| 11:10 | khall | sure! |
| 11:10 | cait | oh, now i am not prepared heh |
| 11:11 | khall | lol ;) |
| 11:12 | cait | see pm :) |
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| 11:20 | cait | Joubu: any idea about how to move on with bug 18050? |
| 11:20 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18050 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Missing constraint on aqbudgets.budget_period_id in aqbudgets |
| 11:20 | cait | I think Augustin's approach won't work (have commented) as there is possible more data linked to an orphaned fund... |
| 11:21 | and it blocks bug 15329 that i'd really love to have in | |
| 11:21 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Show budget in addition to fund for late orders in acquisition |
| 11:22 | cait | hm or maybe it does... but then we need to allow the aqbudgetperiod_id to be set to NULL and I dont think we should |
| 11:24 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 11:25 | cait | ... but we already do. |
| 11:25 | i might just give this a test run | |
| 11:25 | hi kidclamp | |
| 11:27 | kidclamp | hi cait |
| 11:27 | cait | you got summoned? :) |
| 11:27 | could you have another look at 11299 | |
| 11:27 | please? | |
| 11:30 | magnuse | bug 11299 |
| 11:30 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11299 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Add a button to automatically link authority records in cataloguing (AJAX) |
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| 11:44 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1455: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1455/ |
| 11:46 | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #411: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/411/ | |
| 11:47 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #118: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/118/ | |
| 11:54 | Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #97: UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D10_Deps/97/ | |
| 11:57 | fridolin | Joubu: howww master contains a temp file "installer/data/mysql/.updatedatabase.pl.swp" |
| 11:57 | see Bug 25460: Update OAI sets when adding/editing/deleting item records commit | |
| 11:57 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25460 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Pushed to master , Allow using item information in OAI set mappings and automatically update sets when items are added, edited or deleted |
| 11:58 | fridolin | git show --oneline ac1a8adba2 --name-only |
| 11:58 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 25898: Fix new occurrences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]422b240f24cbb9c30> |
| 11:58 | fridolin | dirty ^^ |
| 11:59 | Joubu | fridolin: erk |
| 12:06 | fridolin | maybe create a QA test searching for .swp files |
| 12:07 | ? | |
| 12:08 | Joubu | yes, I am on it already ;) |
| 12:09 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Remove swp file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ae190f96e8bbac8d1> |
| 12:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #373: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/373/ |
| 12:26 | tcohen | nobody uses vim anyway :-P |
| 12:28 | ashimema[m] | hey.. I do :P |
| 12:29 | Joubu | fridolin: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]tools/-/issues/40 here you go |
| 12:31 | rhamby | I use vim too :) |
| 12:32 | tuxayo | Rise up vim gang! |
| 12:32 | hi #koha BTW | |
| 12:33 | cait | hi tuxayo :) |
| 12:33 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 12:33 | tcohen | \o |
| 12:33 | long life to Vim | |
| 12:33 | * tcohen | love sit |
| 12:34 | tcohen | and also |
| 12:34 | * tcohen | loves it |
| 12:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #918: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/918/ |
| 12:35 | * oleonard | loves to sit |
| 12:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11 build #112: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/112/ |
| 12:36 | * magnuse | goes searching for that cool editor called sit |
| 12:36 | * cait | is with oleonard |
| 12:36 | oleonard | Joubu++ # Thanks for working on Bug 26445 |
| 12:36 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26445 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Search results browser in staff has broken link back to results |
| 12:37 | magnuse | huh, i run koha-gitify on a site, restart apache and everything is 403? |
| 12:38 | fridolin | Joubu++ |
| 12:39 | VIM++ | |
| 12:42 | Joubu | oleonard: happy to get feedback on this patch, no idea if it correctly fixes the problem |
| 12:42 | oleonard | It sounds correct based on your description. |
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| 12:45 | simon_ | hi everyone |
| 12:46 | * cait | waves |
| 12:46 | simon_ | i got a follow up question after switching to elastic search |
| 12:46 | i used https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]d_new_zebra_index to add a new index | |
| 12:46 | in zebra | |
| 12:46 | now i am not quite sure how to replicate with elasticsearch | |
| 12:46 | so far i did the following: | |
| 12:47 | i added a new mapping to /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.yaml | |
| 12:47 | i ran the indexer again: rebuild_elasticsearch.pl | |
| 12:47 | Joubu | use the UI view instead |
| 12:47 | admin > search engine mapping something | |
| 12:47 | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl | |
| 12:48 | (the DB is used, the yaml is only the default values used when you reset them from the UI) | |
| 12:49 | simon_ | ah |
| 12:49 | but i cannot add a new searchfield name there, right? | |
| 12:49 | then i have to do it in the database? | |
| 12:50 | i can only select searchfield names from a predefined list/dropdown | |
| 12:50 | eythian | Joubu: without thinking about it too deeply, I kinda like option 5, you could move the code into -core and allow -common to be all the standard package config stuff with deps. This makes transition fairly easy. The naming of -common then isn't quite right, but you could change that over time if desired. |
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| 12:52 | Joubu | eythian: yes, we basically keep -common to not break people's workflow/habits :) |
| 12:52 | thanks for the feedback | |
| 12:52 | kidclamp: were not we able to created new ES search fields? | |
| 12:52 | or is there a patch somewhere for that? | |
| 12:52 | cait | it doesn't look like we can now (just checked too) |
| 12:52 | bbiab | |
| 12:53 | Joubu | alex_a: maybe? |
| 12:54 | found it | |
| 12:54 | bug 20388 | |
| 12:54 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20388 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, BLOCKED , Elasticsearch - Ability to add search fields from UI |
| 12:54 | alex_a | Joubu ? |
| 12:54 | wahanui | hmmm... Joubu is kidding, right ;) |
| 12:54 | Joubu | simon_: so, no, you cannot |
| 12:55 | alex_a: I was searching for 20388 :) | |
| 12:55 | simon_: I'd try to add the entry manually in the DB table | |
| 12:55 | simon_ | ok, will do :) |
| 12:59 | ashimema[m] | can you not do it via the yaml files and then use the script to load them? |
| 13:00 | * ashimema[m] | has a vague recollection of talking about that.. but can't remember the details |
| 13:00 | simon_ | ok, now it is indexing once again after i configured it via the webinterface |
| 13:00 | do i have to adjust /etc/koha/searchengine/queryparser.yaml ? | |
| 13:01 | Joubu | nope, this file is not used by ES (and is actually removed in new versions) |
| 13:03 | tcohen: http://paste.koha-community.org/25757 agree with that? | |
| 13:04 | simon_ | ok thx |
| 13:04 | tcohen | Joubu well, that was my original implementation, but I decided to add the return value from safe_to_delete on the message payload |
| 13:04 | so we can provide better feedback | |
| 13:06 | Joubu | igual |
| 13:06 | http://paste.koha-community.org/25758 | |
| 13:07 | tcohen: we can still provide the return value | |
| 13:07 | tcohen | ah |
| 13:07 | yes, I agree hehe | |
| 13:08 | Joubu | tcohen: this is not tested! |
| 13:08 | tcohen | I think I used delete_items.pl as a sample |
| 13:08 | it is tested | |
| 13:08 | the last test I add | |
| 13:08 | covers this | |
| 13:08 | its 12 tests I think | |
| 13:09 | Joubu | I was in t/db_dependent/Acquisition.t |
| 13:09 | tcohen | Koha/Acquisition/Order.t |
| 13:09 | ok | |
| 13:09 | Joubu | hey tcohen, it's tested <3 |
| 13:10 | tcohen | :-D ❤ |
| 13:10 | Joubu | hey tcohen, it's failing! :D |
| 13:10 | tcohen | WTF? |
| 13:11 | Joubu | guess it's my change |
| 13:11 | tcohen | you're breaking it haha |
| 13:11 | let me check | |
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| 13:13 | tcohen | I love tests :-D |
| 13:16 | lukeG | hi |
| 13:16 | wahanui | hey, lukeG |
| 13:16 | tuxayo | o/ lukeG |
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| 13:25 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Don't need to call safe_to_delete <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a8f2a9432bf5847f4> |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: (QA follow-up) Preserve original behaviour <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dfb14436f2685a1fe> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26555: (QA follow-up) Add a 'payload' attribute for carrying useful things <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3b6a01642c56f4eec> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Better feedback on errors <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7e19aa1419a6ef84e> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Remove branchcode from mock_userenv <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f9d709c546534434e> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26580: Remove unused C4::Acquisition::DelBasket function <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3852adda608efd3f7> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26579: Remove unused C4::Acquisition::DelOrder function <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]41d31aff84177c389> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26577: Make basket.pl and cancelorder.pl use ->cancel <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]03fa64b4b89de3b41> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: (follow-up) Do not count self when checking orders <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8744fc670483db7ec> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Make sure _messages is always initialized <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]181a04a2e49b906cd> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Add ->messages and ->add_message to Koha::Object <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a055f974916f011c7> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Add Koha::Object::Message <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]780b8f1ff68c32a9b> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Add Koha::Acquisition::Order->cancel <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ca2de9aa49a248b77> | |
| 13:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]470f5a5d977d689d7> | |
| 13:26 | Joubu | oleonard: 26439 - seen the problem at the OPAC as well? |
| 13:27 | oleonard | I haven't looked yet because I think it belongs on another bug |
| 13:27 | Joubu | yes |
| 13:27 | I just wanted to know if you will deal with it :) | |
| 13:27 | oleonard | Yes |
| 13:28 | Joubu | thx! |
| 13:29 | ashimema[m]: I don't think bug 26690 must depend on bug 26172 | |
| 13:29 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Constraints for cash management tables need reconsidering |
| 13:29 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a cashup summary view (with option to print) | |
| 13:29 | Joubu | on bug 23355 instead |
| 13:29 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23355 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a 'cashup' process to accounts |
| 13:30 | Joubu | (will need to be backported) |
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| 13:49 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 13:49 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 13:50 | tuxayo | The UI of the CI changed :o |
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| 14:00 | cait | khall++ kidclamp++ |
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| 14:12 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 14:12 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 14:19 | * cait | reads the evergreen release notes and stumbles on 'hopeless holds' features |
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| 14:21 | tuxayo | this? «holds on bibliographic records that no longer have any viable copies» |
| 14:36 | tcohen | tuxayo you mean the jenkins upgrade? |
| 14:36 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 14:36 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 14:39 | tuxayo | tcohen: yep ^^ |
| 14:41 | liliputech_asu around? | |
| 14:42 | cait | tuxayo: i just liked the term of hopeless holds |
| 14:42 | tuxayo | indeed |
| 14:42 | ashimema[m] | mm |
| 14:43 | tuxayo | So it's really that? A hold without an usable item? Sounds accurate. |
| 14:44 | cait | ashimema[m]: don't kill me, but there is a little conflict on the session bug |
| 14:44 | http://paste.koha-community.org/25759 | |
| 14:44 | do you agree with the merge suggestion? | |
| 14:44 | ashimema[m] | yup |
| 14:45 | correct | |
| 14:45 | cait | tuxayo: it would make sense, i didn#t dig that deep, only read the highlights |
| 14:45 | ashimema[m] | I thought I uploaded that rebase.. |
| 14:45 | I've already done it once on my branch | |
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| 14:45 | cait | do you want to check? |
| 14:46 | I am going outside for a bit :) will be back to continue later | |
| 14:48 | ashimema[m] | your solution was exactly what I did |
| 14:49 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 14:49 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 14:53 | tuxayo | Does anyone know how use trigger the koha installer? I'm only using Koha in koha-testing-docker which by uses an already installed DB. |
| 14:53 | (after 3 years it's about time to know that) | |
| 14:54 | tcohen | echo "DROP DATABASE koha_kohadev; CREATE DATABASE koha_kohadev;" | koha-mysql kohadev |
| 14:54 | caroline | I usually delete my db |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | Great, that's actually what I tried. Both the staff interface and OPAC homepages are in error now. |
| 14:56 | tcohen | restart_all |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | ahhh |
| 14:57 | Thanks both for your help, now I'll finally get to try the installer! :D | |
| 14:58 | caroline | tcohen++ |
| 14:59 | henryb | tuxayo++ for asking this question. I also did not know how to do this! |
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| 15:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:12 | liliputech_asu | tuxayo: reset_all |
| 15:13 | tuxayo: called me? :) | |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | liliputech_asu: thanks, it was indeed reset_all that was missing. |
| 15:14 | liliputech_asu | ur welcome :) |
| 15:15 | you sent me a ping a bit earlier? what was that4? same issue? (or just noticing i'm around, which i admit have been quite rare lately ><) | |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | liliputech_asu: do you have immediate plans and resources for the infamous bug 21507 ? Or can I try to dig it out of the |
| 15:15 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21507 major, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, ASSIGNED , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines, simplified |
| 15:16 | liliputech_asu | yeark |
| 15:16 | no plan | |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | *grave |
| 15:16 | liliputech_asu | ^^ |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | I would gladly let it rot but I can't forget that :P |
| 15:17 | Anyway good to know I won't step on your tows. I'll tell you in the bug if I have something. | |
| 15:18 | liliputech_asu | tuxayo: sure, feel free to, not stepping on toes, definitly very VERY welcomed :) |
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| 15:19 | liliputech_asu | dropping off for tonight... :) |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | o/ |
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| 15:45 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 15:59 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 15:59 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 16:28 | caroline | Does anyone else have complaints from libraries about the "cart"? I've had a couple of libraries ask me how to remove it because patrons were confused (they thought it was either to borrow ebooks, put it in the cart, borrow everything at the end; or to place holds) |
| 16:29 | oleonard: my boss gave the idea to change the cart icon to something like https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic[…]RcBBTcmA&usqp=CAU | |
| 16:30 | I think it's a good idea, looks more like the baskets we use in libraries | |
| 16:30 | oleonard | caroline: When the feature was originally added to Koha it was called the "basket" and everyone was confused by that as well. |
| 16:30 | caroline | it's called basket in French :) |
| 16:31 | we don't have separate word for cart and basket | |
| 16:32 | oleonard | caroline do you know how to use css to change the icon? |
| 16:33 | caroline | no, but My boss does |
| 16:33 | I think some of our clients have a different icon | |
| 16:33 | Here's one that he did http://rinalasnier-test.hapax.inlibro.net/ | |
| 16:35 | oleonard | Bug 26130 |
| 16:35 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag 'Cart' confuses patrons - add optional name alternatives? |
| 16:36 | caroline | he's also working on a "grid view" of the search results, it's going to be really pretty |
| 16:37 | I'll try to have him propose it to the community | |
| 16:39 | oof, the cart seems controversial lol! | |
| 16:39 | oleonard | Imagine how controversial it was when you couldn't do any batch operations from the cart... |
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| 16:42 | caroline | I don't know when the feature was added nor what was it's initial purpose, but I think with the internet evolving and people doing a lot more online (doing things online in general, and also shopping online) "cart" has come to mean something specific |
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| 16:47 | oleonard | I suspect the confusion about the cart is different whether your library offers self checkout or not. |
| 16:55 | cait | hm in German we don't get asked to rename it often, but i think because German uses a slightly different term for the cart in e-commerce settings |
| 16:56 | would "book cart" work better? | |
| 16:56 | * cait | imagines cute cart icons :) |
| 17:15 | was expecting to find the QA queue empty on returning... | |
| 17:17 | cait | Joubu: i got no update message from 50 to 51 |
| 17:19 | hm, maybe it was me, the update statements look right | |
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| 17:25 | cait | hm the payment table is off by one in the total line again |
| 17:26 | * cait | can't count how often we broke that already |
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| 17:40 | cait | ah caroline - i put a manual keyword on 24603 because ashimema[m] wrote a nice explanation about the different credit types there |
| 17:42 | ashimema[m] | The cart is confusing in the UK .. we nearly always rename it |
| 17:43 | cait | you can use it to place holds... |
| 17:43 | what do people expect when seeing it? | |
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| 17:45 | cait | ashimema[m]: are you still around? |
| 17:45 | ashimema[m] | No idea |
| 17:46 | But it does confuse people | |
| 17:46 | Thinking they can buy things from it | |
| 17:46 | Just about to cook tea Cait | |
| 17:46 | cait | ah ok |
| 17:46 | go ahead :) i am looking at the cancel charges feature, but just starting to get into it, go cook :) | |
| 17:59 | oleonard | wahanui: What is it you're always saying about me? |
| 17:59 | wahanui | oleonard: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 18:08 | caroline | cait: re:cart: one of the reasons I was told is that because we integrate ebooks in the catalog, patrons think they can borrow from there |
| 18:09 | That's one reason I remember, others just asked me during training to remove it because it would confuse patrons, but without having tried it, so it's an assumption on their part | |
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| 18:10 | oleonard | caroline is there supposed to be a documentation meeting now? |
| 18:10 | caroline | crap yes |
| 18:10 | I always think it's later than it really is | |
| 18:11 | is anyone here for the meeting? | |
| 18:11 | oleonard | I don't know if your docs crew is around, I was just curious because my calendar alerted me |
| 18:11 | davidnind | I am here.. |
| 18:11 | henryb | I am late but here now |
| 18:12 | caroline | ok i'll start the meeting then |
| 18:12 | davidnind | sorry, I was working on something and didn't notice the time |
| 18:12 | henryb | We call the cart 'folder' but that also confuses people |
| 18:12 | caroline | me either just came back from lunch and was catching up on messages/emails |
| 18:13 | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020 | |
| 18:13 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 18:13:14 2020 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:13 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 18:13 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 18:13 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020' |
| 18:13 | caroline | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_15_October_2020 |
| 18:13 | #chair davidnind | |
| 18:13 | huginn | Current chairs: caroline davidnind |
| 18:13 | caroline | #topic Introductions |
| 18:13 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 18:13 | caroline | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
| 18:14 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro | |
| 18:14 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 18:15 | henryb | #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK |
| 18:15 | caroline | cait around? |
| 18:16 | #topic Updates | |
| 18:16 | Topic for #koha is now Updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 18:16 | caroline | There were no action points from last meeting so I'll just skip that |
| 18:16 | #topic Project updates | |
| 18:16 | Topic for #koha is now Project updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
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| 18:17 | caroline | Unfortunately, I'm not giving the best example, I haven't workd on anything manual-wise in the past month |
| 18:17 | anyone has updates they'd like to share? | |
| 18:17 | marie-luce | sorry to be late |
| 18:17 | davidnind | No updates from me either on my projects :-( |
| 18:17 | caroline | no worries we just started |
| 18:17 | marie-luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro |
| 18:18 | davidnind | hi marie-luce |
| 18:18 | henryb | Me neither. To be honest I'm still trying to work out the documentation workflow |
| 18:18 | marie-luce | hi David |
| 18:18 | Henri, you are not alone. There are so many places to look at | |
| 18:19 | caroline | I started a section in the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual#.3D.3E_New_writers.2C_start_here.21_.3C.3D |
| 18:19 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual#.3D.3E_New_writers.2C_start_here.21_.3C.3D | |
| 18:20 | marie-luce | great! Thanks Caroline |
| 18:20 | caroline | Where are you stuck henryb? Maybe we can discuss it and it'll clear it up for more people too |
| 18:21 | henryb | I'm not stuck exactly just not entirely sure how bugzilla, taigo and gitlab all fit together |
| 18:21 | caroline | that's a good question |
| 18:21 | henryb | But the link you've sent is really helpful! |
| 18:22 | marie-luce | ++caroline |
| 18:22 | caroline | This is how I see it : bugzilla is the source of everything |
| 18:22 | That's where the developers work and create new features | |
| 18:22 | ashimema[m] | #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS-EUROPE |
| 18:23 | caroline | it is very useful to get an idea of what a feature is, what it does, the steps of how to use it etc |
| 18:23 | There are also Documentation "bugs" on bugzilla | |
| 18:23 | ashimema[m] | I used to just use a search in bugzilla to find the manual keyword.. work on it and then remove the keyword when done.. |
| 18:23 | caroline | That's where we point poeple to when they see a typo or notice that something is missing or not explained well |
| 18:24 | ashimema[m] | But you guys do much more and have a bigger workflow to manage.. I've not kept up |
| 18:24 | caroline | We ask anybody who sees somthing like that (typo, missing, etc.) to file a bug in bugzilla in the Documentation component |
| 18:25 | that way, we can at least keep a record of things that need to be corrected and since a lot of people already know bugzilla, it's easy for them to file a new bug | |
| 18:25 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]=run&sharer_id=13 | |
| 18:25 | ^ this is the list of such bugs | |
| 18:26 | From the main bugzilla page, you can click on Documentation To-Do to see this | |
| 18:26 | ashimema[m] | Dare I ask.. do you actually need tiaga? |
| 18:26 | I always wonder why you didn't just do it all through BZ? | |
| 18:26 | caroline | I'm coming to that, but it could be a great discussion |
| 18:27 | Taiga is where we write all the "new" things we need to add to the manual | |
| 18:27 | Not corrections, but new stuff | |
| 18:27 | Taiga is based on the release notes for each version | |
| 18:28 | ashimema[m] | Indeed... But those could be just bugs in BZ again.. for away with the keyword and instead add a linked bug in bz |
| 18:28 | caroline | The reason I've been keeping it separate, and davidnind can interrupt me if im saying nonsense, is that devs have a workflow already established in bugzilla and we are nowhere in that workflow |
| 18:29 | It's sign off, QA, push to master, push to stable, push to old stable, etc and then close | |
| 18:29 | ashimema[m] | Indeed.. |
| 18:29 | caroline | there is no step where we have a list of bugs that need to be added to the manual |
| 18:29 | davidnind | have never heard caroline talking nonsense :) |
| 18:29 | caroline | That's why I think it's a great discussion to have |
| 18:29 | ashimema[m] | I'd be happy to help bridge the developer/docs divide |
| 18:30 | caroline | Sure, we'd just need to squeeze in an extra step for us |
| 18:30 | marie-luce | good points |
| 18:30 | davidnind | we could do in the issues list in GitLab - easy to import from bugzilla |
| 18:30 | caroline | It would certainly save me then step of copying everything in taiga |
| 18:31 | ashimema[m] | I have the keys to the bugzilla configs.. happy to discus and impliment |
| 18:31 | caroline | anyway, I just want to finish answering henryb before we diverge |
| 18:31 | davidnind | I don't mind taiga, but it is one more thing... |
| 18:32 | ashimema[m] | I don't want to push changes onto anyone.. but do feel free to reach out if there things that bug you and you think there could be a better way |
| 18:32 | caroline | So that's taiga... when the bugs are done with their life with the devs in bugzilla, I copy everything in taiga so the docs team can look through |
| 18:32 | * ashimema[m] | goes quite to let Caroline finish |
| 18:33 | caroline | Then the final leg of the tripod, Gitlab is where the manual lives |
| 18:33 | that's where you need to do the changes to the manual per se | |
| 18:34 | So look in bugzilla (Documentation To-Do) or taiga to find something to write about and write it in gitlab | |
| 18:34 | does that make sene? | |
| 18:34 | sense | |
| 18:34 | henryb | Yes it does! Thanks for the very patient explanation |
| 18:34 | caroline++ | |
| 18:34 | caroline | There is also the wiki... which is a whole nother thing... |
| 18:34 | but it's not part of the docs workflow | |
| 18:35 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 18:35 | henryb | No! just when I thought I understood |
| 18:35 | caroline | lol! |
| 18:35 | marie-luce | caroline++ |
| 18:36 | caroline | So do we want to simplify it and stay in bugzilla and ditch taiga? |
| 18:36 | I agree that copying everything in taiga is an extra step that could be avoided | |
| 18:37 | henryb | Does taiga have any advantages over bugzilla - additional features etc? |
| 18:37 | davidnind | thinking... |
| 18:37 | wahanui | thinking is probably so much easier |
| 18:37 | ashimema[m] | We could even broaden it and make it a requirement for enhancements and new features to have a corresponding manual merge request linked in the bug before QA |
| 18:37 | caroline | it's prettier? |
| 18:38 | ashimema[m]: oof... nothing will get past QA lol! Do you know how far behind we are? | |
| 18:38 | davidnind | LOL |
| 18:38 | ashimema[m] | Tiaga is more modern and can handle lots of workflows.. I just wonder how much of it we actually make use of and need... I've tried to get into it on a few occasions and never fully got to grips |
| 18:39 | caroline | maybe it's the way it's organized too... |
| 18:39 | ashimema[m] | Well.. it would only require one is open.. not necessarily that it's fully finished.. |
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| 18:39 | ashimema[m] | That would mean you have a record in girls of what to be done.. |
| 18:39 | s/girls/gitlab | |
| 18:40 | caroline | personally, when I write I like to pick a section and add all the new things in that section, rather than work bug by bug |
| 18:40 | ashimema[m] | I also would love to see docs done by more people.. us Devs are terrible.. we should really give at least a skeleton of documentation for anything we add really.. if we can't then we should get someone in company to help us to |
| 18:41 | Fair point | |
| 18:41 | caroline | at least a good test plan |
| 18:41 | helps a lot when we try to figure out what something does | |
| 18:41 | ashimema[m] | Indeed |
| 18:42 | davidnind | Options: use bugzilla, use GitLab, continue as currently |
| 18:42 | caroline | ok so we need to actionize this |
| 18:43 | I will write out neatly what I described here so that we have a trace of the current workflow | |
| 18:43 | #action caroline will write out the current worflow (from minutes) | |
| 18:43 | ashimema[m] | :) |
| 18:43 | davidnind | bugzilla: no new tool to learn, either tag tasks or make a bugzilla doc tasks for topics for a release, link to bugs, non bug-related tasks have own bugzilla task |
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| 18:44 | caroline | davidnind: can you look into how it would work if we were to use gitlab issues? |
| 18:44 | how to link with bugzilla etc | |
| 18:45 | davidnind | GitLab: use issues , import any bugzilla bugs (easier process than adding to taiga), use boards |
| 18:45 | caroline: sure can! | |
| 18:45 | caroline | cool! |
| 18:45 | davidnind | there is some intergration available with bugzilla, I looked at it a while ago and "seemed" relatively easy |
| 18:45 | caroline | #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow |
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| 18:46 | caroline | and when this is done, I'll check in with ashimema[m] on how to insert ourselves into the dev workflow |
| 18:46 | davidnind | will write something up on the wiki, or in bugzilla and will send around the documentation and dev mailing lists |
| 18:47 | caroline | #action caroline will check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the dev workflow |
| 18:47 | woo, we'll be busy bees | |
| 18:47 | davidnind | #action davdnind to document options for docs tasks management including: using bugzilla, using GitLab issues, using Taiga, various other ideas discussed <- aim is to make as easy and as manageable as possible |
| 18:48 | caroline | anything else to add to this? |
| 18:48 | davidnind | (and less confusing for everyone...) |
| 18:48 | marie-luce | great discussion, I can see the picture now! |
| 18:49 | caroline | ok let's move on |
| 18:49 | #topic What's been done so far | |
| 18:49 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 18:49 | caroline | davidnind had a point here |
| 18:50 | davidnind: tidied up the YouTube channel: added some sections and play lists, tracking down Kohacon videos, feedback welcome | |
| 18:50 | #link https://www.youtube.com/channe[…]1-kt84liiG5233BRQ | |
| 18:50 | very cool! | |
| 18:51 | marie-luce | davidnind++ |
| 18:51 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 18:51 | henryb | davidnind++ |
| 18:52 | caroline | So please if you have any feedback, let davidnind know with an @later or other means of communcation |
| 18:52 | davidnind | finally working on getting last year's Kohacon videos added - is easy to split, but have an audio issue I'm trying to fix (not a docs related task though...) |
| 18:52 | caroline | I'm sure we'll have new content from kohacon next week |
| 18:53 | davidnind | our channel is being used as part of the live streaming, so that will be good |
| 18:53 | caroline | cool! |
| 18:53 | #topic Content development guidelines | |
| 18:53 | Topic for #koha is now Content development guidelines (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 18:54 | caroline | I don't think there's anything new for this... |
| 18:54 | We'll surely be adding to it with the workflow thing | |
| 18:55 | Feel free to interrupt me if you have something to add... | |
| 18:55 | davidnind | nothing to add |
| 18:55 | caroline | #topic Next steps |
| 18:55 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 18:55 | caroline | #info the page for roles for 21.05 is up |
| 18:55 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_21.05 | |
| 18:55 | please add your name to the docs team! | |
| 18:56 | Also if anyone wants to have a go at docs manager, I'm happy to let someone else have a go! | |
| 18:57 | marie-luce | I would like to add my name in Doc team, but I don't have the rights to modify the page |
| 18:57 | caroline | oh, you can request a login |
| 18:57 | Click log in and click on "request" | |
| 18:57 | marie-luce | great, I will place my request |
| 18:58 | caroline | +1 |
| 18:58 | same goes for anyone else | |
| 18:58 | davidnind | I can approve, so will keep an eye out |
| 18:58 | (approval is required to stop spam registrations) | |
| 18:59 | caroline | otherwise, priorities are on documenting new features for 20.11 as usual |
| 18:59 | Check Taiga for new feature to document | |
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| 19:00 | caroline | davidnind: I think the docs workshops at kohacon are in-person only, is that right? do you know? |
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| 19:00 | davidnind | it is, but I'm maybe going look at recording at least, and an online bit if there is any interest (either live streaming or using jitsi) |
| 19:01 | #info Kohacon20 documentation workshop - feel free to add your ideas to https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]orkshop_KohaCon20 | |
| 19:01 | marie-luce | it would be nice if someone could record it, I would be happy to watch later |
| 19:02 | caroline | there will also be two days of "DIY" where we can work together on docs |
| 19:02 | ashimema[m] | +1 |
| 19:02 | caroline | #link https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/programme/ |
| 19:02 | marie-luce | +1 |
| 19:02 | caroline | From what I understood it will be here on IRC for remote ppl |
| 19:03 | davidnind | I'll try my best to at least record, I will add a jitsi meeting but quality will depend a bit on the wifi... |
| 19:03 | cool | |
| 19:03 | marie-luce | cool |
| 19:04 | caroline | anything else to add? |
| 19:04 | davidnind | nothing from me |
| 19:04 | henryb | nothing from me |
| 19:04 | caroline | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020) | |
| 19:05 | caroline | is november 12 good? |
| 19:05 | it's 4 weeks from now | |
| 19:05 | davidnind | +1 |
| 19:05 | marie-luce | +1 |
| 19:05 | henryb | +1 |
| 19:05 | caroline | same time good for everyone? |
| 19:06 | marie-luce | +1 |
| 19:06 | henryb | +1 |
| 19:06 | davidnind | +1 |
| 19:06 | caroline | we might be in regular time here so it will be earlier or later... never sure how it goes |
| 19:06 | I'm bad with numbers... | |
| 19:07 | #info Next meeting: 12 November 2020, 18 UTC | |
| 19:07 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:07 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 19:07 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 19:07:44 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:07 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-10-15-18.13.html | |
| 19:07 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]0-10-15-18.13.txt | |
| 19:07 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]15-18.13.log.html | |
| 19:07 | caroline | thanks everyone! |
| 19:08 | henryb | Thanks! Bye everyone! |
| 19:08 | marie-luce | thanks caroline |
| 19:08 | caroline | ashimema[m]: can you run the script? |
| 19:08 | kathryn | kia ora koutou / hi everyone :) |
| 19:08 | caroline | hi kathryn ! |
| 19:08 | ashimema[m] | I'm on my phone, can run it in the morning if no-one breasts me to it |
| 19:08 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 19:08 | ashimema[m] | Blooming phone.. autocomplete is on form today |
| 19:09 | kathryn | LOL |
| 19:17 | davidnind | Kohacon20 social page (+links to the chat): https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/KohaCon20/Social |
| 19:21 | caroline | ashimema[m]: your autocorrect seems to have a one track mind lol! |
| 19:33 | cait | oh i missed the meeting :( |
| 19:37 | caroline | :( it was really interesting |
| 19:37 | but read the minutes if you have time and let me know if you have comments on my explanation of the workflow | |
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| 19:44 | cait | just read back - i like the idea of gitlab issues |
| 19:44 | and having an automated process to move pushed bugs there... easy to close the ones that don't need doc changes maybe than to add htem all manually? | |
| 19:45 | davidnind | I like the idea as well |
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| 19:46 | cait | davidnind: the DIY is not pretty clear at the moment apart from IRC - i will try to be there, but it owuld be good to flesh it out a bit more :) |
| 19:48 | caroline | the DIY was just an idea I threw that we could work together if needed |
| 19:48 | I guess we could try to have specific tasks or things that ppl can do | |
| 19:50 | davidnind | Would you like me to create a wiki page? Possibly the Kohacon20 team are already working on something... |
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| 19:51 | davidnind | I've added a Kohacon20 programme page to the wiki with links to timeanddate - is this useful? If so will add other days when I get home from work.. https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon20/Programme |
| 19:52 | cait | it's all good - sorry :) Just keep us virtuals in mind |
| 19:52 | oh those time conversion links are really helpful! | |
| 19:52 | hayley | it's pretty unstructured, tagging more bugs for academy would be useful, go for it with the wiki page davidnind! |
| 19:53 | our plan is to just host a bug squashing :) | |
| 19:53 | davidnind | hayley++ |
| 19:53 | cait | caroline: I don't know french but said things about french on bug 26130 - can you check? :) |
| 19:53 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag 'Cart' confuses patrons - add optional name alternatives? |
| 19:53 | caroline | I saw |
| 19:54 | aleisha | davidnind: that wiki page is amaze! |
| 19:54 | cait | French does the genering, right? |
| 19:54 | caroline | but words don't change gender |
| 19:54 | cait | gendering... |
| 19:54 | caroline | cart will always be male in all sentences |
| 19:54 | cait | but articles? |
| 19:54 | yeah i meant the words referring to it | |
| 19:54 | like your in german changes if the word is male/female/neutral | |
| 19:55 | the word would change in german depending on the "case"... but I am really bad at expalining grammar :( | |
| 19:55 | in the carts = in den Körben, the carts = die Körbe | |
| 19:55 | caroline | let me reread the sentences, but I think they's be ok |
| 19:55 | cait | German is just asking for trouble really |
| 19:55 | caroline | lol! French too |
| 19:56 | I envy the gender-neutral of english | |
| 19:56 | cait | long works that can't be broken on multiple lines (Anschaffungsvorschläge regularly is too long for the tabs in OPAC = purchase suggeston just goes on 2 lines) |
| 19:56 | works = words | |
| 19:56 | hayley | caroline maybe we have it good in that respect, but english in general is kind of stupidly inconsistent hehe |
| 19:56 | cait | I envy that it's so easy to use they/them too - there is not really a good way to express that in German |
| 19:56 | caroline | yeah, well all languages are inconsistent! |
| 19:57 | cait | well there is this rule... and here is the tons of exceptions for it |
| 19:57 | caroline | I mean genders for things... who decides that a desk is male and a table female? .lol |
| 19:58 | cait haha exactly! | |
| 19:58 | and here's a song for you to remember all the expections | |
| 19:58 | cait | both male in German heh |
| 19:59 | caroline | I only remember that in German moon is male and sun is female because it's the exact opposite of french |
| 19:59 | cait | lol was about to say tha ttoo |
| 19:59 | it's about the only thing i know about french grammar probably :) | |
| 20:00 | caroline | but you were right to say that articles and other words (adjectives) change according to the gender of the noun |
| 20:00 | cait | you expressed it much better than me |
| 20:01 | caroline | so if ppl were to enter "list" (female) instead of "cart" (male) then the sentences would be really weird |
| 20:02 | LA liste, LE panier... Le liste sounds like a foreigner | |
| 20:03 | cait | davidnind++ |
| 20:04 | caroline | But funnily, I just looked through the cart sentences and I think French would be ok |
| 20:04 | "empty" is an adjective that doesn't change gender, so yay! and polite "your" doesn't either | |
| 20:05 | Only "Add to cart" would cause a problem | |
| 20:06 | But if, like ashimema[m] said we have a set of predefined terms, we can translate the sentences according to those workds? | |
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| 20:07 | caroline | I mean, it would be a lot of trouble for something so trivial, but it could be possible |
| 20:09 | cait | caroline: nope |
| 20:10 | it would look something like Add to %s | |
| 20:10 | so if we want variations, we'd have to make every sentence for ever word we add... possible as they are not that many | |
| 20:10 | add to cart... add to book bag | |
| 20:11 | caroline | that's what I thought ashimema[m] was proposing |
| 20:11 | cait | so possible, but not with just a variable |
| 20:11 | caroline | ok that's what you mean by variable |
| 20:12 | I thought the "variable" was the syspref, si "if syspref = cart, then 'Add to cart', if syspref = book bag, then 'Add to book bag'" etc. | |
| 20:13 | cait | i might have misunderstood him |
| 20:13 | because i was thinking about the easier case of account types he mentioned | |
| 20:13 | i just added another note to clarify | |
| 20:13 | caroline | that's why I said it would be a lot of work... for each place in the templates where the term appears, you can to multiply the number of if/thens by the number of predefined options... |
| 20:13 | cait | i wonder if the translation system could help somehow - like we have the plural/singular now... |
| 20:13 | caroline | can get heavy |
| 20:14 | maybe, or the contextualization | |
| 20:14 | cait | hm yes |
| 20:14 | it's good to discuss, more brains, more ideas :) | |
| 20:14 | caroline | Like "Add to %s" (list) "Add to %s" (cart) |
| 20:14 | ashimema[m] | OK, it was just an idea.. |
| 20:15 | caroline | ashimema[m]: come on in, one more brain :) |
| 20:15 | ashimema[m] | I totally see where your coming from now |
| 20:15 | cait | languages are evil? |
| 20:15 | caroline | no!! languages are fun! |
| 20:15 | ashimema[m] | That would be very evil |
| 20:15 | cait | i am not sure |
| 20:15 | ashimema[m] | Mmm |
| 20:15 | * caroline | majored in linguistics |
| 20:16 | cait | ok, i take it back, i want to stay on caroline's good side |
| 20:16 | caroline | lol! |
| 20:16 | ashimema[m] | Lol |
| 20:17 | caroline | Maybe I can agree that languages are evil for the present case only |
| 20:17 | cait | ashimema[m]: on yours too actually - I just wanted to explain that my language is crazy :) |
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| 20:17 | caroline | I just love so much how our language shapes our way of thinking/our culture |
| 20:17 | ashimema[m] | Lol |
| 20:19 | cait | :) |
| 20:19 | i love how Koha brings us all together discussing such things | |
| 20:20 | caroline | yes <3 |
| 20:20 | cait | :) |
| 20:24 | ashimema[m] | So do we need a tagfest for bugzilla before next week then |
| 20:25 | cait | some rebasing checking might also be good |
| 20:28 | ashimema[m] | Time for bed for me. Night night |
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| 20:30 | cait | good night ashimema[m] |
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