IRC log for #koha, 2020-07-30

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00:35 oleonard I didn't think you *should* be awake dcook, I just recalled that you sometimes were at that time :)
00:35 dcook Hehe
00:35 Well, I was awake. Just not on IRC. Sometimes I'm on that late, but just haven't been in the mood lately.
00:36 oleonard I just thought that if I caught you online I'd ask for more details about that Safari user
00:36 dcook Might start up again this week or next though
00:36 Ah yeah I figured that would be the case
00:36 It was a few weeks ago, so I don't recall 100%
00:36 But as I mentioned in the email, I think she had trouble with the "Choose file" button not working
00:37 But... I don't know what version of Safari she was using or anything. I think it was a personal computer anyway
00:37 Whereas she uses a different computer for her actual work
00:38 * oleonard sees the follow-up email now
00:38 oleonard I observed a problem with the "Choose file" button too
00:38 dcook :o
01:06 oleonard https://zivotdesign.com/p/view[…]?p=15960711677886
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02:42 dcook @later tell oleonard Ah yep that looks like it to me
02:42 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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06:49 reiveune hello
06:49 wahanui que tal, reiveune
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10:59 oleonard-away cait++ # Spam-fighter
10:59 cait1 heh thx :) oleonard++ too
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11:28 oleonard cait++ # Also for QA
11:29 cait1 oleonad++ # for SO and great GUI improvements
11:29 I would love to sign some of your patches off... but worried they will get stuck then
11:29 so waiting
11:32 oleonard Ooh, I like your idea about the split button for editing news!
11:33 lukeG and I both talked about wanting to more easily swap between the editing modes and that's a good first step
11:34 cait1 I think the codemirror will help a lot, but yep.... maybe a little fine tuning :)
11:37 I wanted to put the idea out there at least, but no intention to block the patches
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12:20 oleonard I wonder if "Edit with WYSIWYG editor" is not friendly
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12:39 * oleonard bbl
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12:40 tcohen morning
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13:48 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea Hi Liz, do you know how the history page on the website is updated? It seems to be auto generated. There is a bug reported (24685), it's trivial to fix but it looks like it needs to be done at lower level (scripting?)
13:48 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:51 Joubu tcohen: did you review bug 26063?
13:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26063 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Use Koha::Plugins->call for other hooks
13:51 Joubu my patch I mean
13:56 tcohen yes
13:56 I saw it, looks sane
13:56 haven't tested
13:56 I mean the follow-up
13:57 I can QA it
14:00 lukeG1 good morning Koha
14:03 tcohen Joubu do we need to remove the check for C4::Context->config("enable_plugins")
14:03 in C4::Biblio snf Koha::Item
14:03 Joubu it's done in call
14:04 tcohen but in C4::Biblio it would skip fetching the Koha::Biblio
14:04 in Koha::Item my quetsion doesn't apply
14:06 Joubu does it make sense to send biblio and biblioid?
14:06 we discussed it already for another oo
14:06 hook
14:06 I'd send only the id
14:07 then the plugin can fetch the info it needs
14:16 tcohen in this cases
14:17 it doesn't hurt to send the id
14:17 Joubu I want to send only the id
14:17 * tcohen noticed
14:17 tcohen I might be the only one using this hooks
14:17 and maybe PTFS-E
14:18 Joubu well, it's not pushed yet, so...
14:20 tcohen Ah
14:20 Joubu ha ha!
14:21 tcohen teh after_biblio_hooks are pushed
14:21 Joubu ah
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14:23 oleonard Hi again #koha
14:23 tcohen hi oleonard
14:23 wahanui hi oleopard
14:38 oleonard This place is boisterous as usual...
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15:01 reiveune bye
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15:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26061: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cc986ff71b77bb28d>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]506147849e137781e>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 26060: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1ca8e05115b563dc7>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 26070: DBRev 20.06.00.020 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d12c8e4e03923d15d>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22660: DBRev 20.06.00.019 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]688b497bd6b03b67f>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22660: (QA follow-up) Fix capitalization in system preference <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f806eeaa97d43ae1e>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 26083: Item editor defaults to lost <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]20ca020c9cf111b01>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 26070: Remove GoogleIndicTransliteration system preference <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4d4a5a3acc0f6e232>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Add missing filters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]33329fc40eabb5f9d>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 26061: Improve style of sidebar datepickers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2083e1377eadd3c1f>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22660: (follow-up) Re-word system preference description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b857da72706653575>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22660: (follow-up) Improve asset handling, add linting <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]12e2425e5a6039a95>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 25968: Make logs sort by date descending as a default <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8dfbc86e04657ce81>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 25953: Add ID to installed plugins table on plugins-home.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7500be8f305db570a>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22660: Add system pref to allow switching of editors in News Tool <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2dffe9cc6779eb3e3>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Move the email into the list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45ac04ed92e73f708>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Remove padding on li's <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7e2d8ecd49d02c430>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Prevent variable names colision <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]27855f1a859edeeb6>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Add a no_line_break parameter to prevent new lines <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a7028692bcfa5b968>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Add space between zipcode and country <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a9f75ecad7f94a67>
15:46 News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Use include file to display patrons address in search result <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0e044ac708f80966a>
15:46 cait1 i love seeing these :)
15:51 Joubu this one was huge!
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16:31 Joubu https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=25855#c29 # for the failures
16:31 huginn Bug 25855: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add hook to AddRenewal using a new _after_circ_actions method in circulation
16:31 Joubu bye #koha
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19:17 Marie-Luce Is anyone aroung familiar with the system preference AuthorityMergeLimit?
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19:27 davidnind Hi Marie-Luce! Sorry, I'm not familiar with AuthorityMergeLimit.
19:27 Marie-Luce Hi David
19:28 No worries. Thanks
19:28 davidnind There are a couple of 'recent ' bugs https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]it&list_id=337940
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19:51 cait Marie-Luce: in theory, what's the question?
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19:52 cait well, not only theory... we are on an older version, but we have a library maintaining authorities locally where I had tested it
19:52 hi lisettelatah :)
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19:55 lisettelatah hi cait :)
19:56 cait or any one interested: if koha-us was going to expand our book and craft club to have a meeting that would work for our European friends, would Saturday or Sunday work better (and are you interested)
19:57 cait what is discussed at book and craft?
19:57 and maybe :)
19:58 I'd try to make one to find out probably
19:58 wizzyrea hi
19:58 wahanui hey, wizzyrea
19:59 lisettelatah we had our first meeting last night, read a book and discussed it while we did some crafting. We ended up mostly just talking and crafting and only a little book discussion.
19:59 wizzyrea joubu: it is autogenerated. Hilariously, it was broken altogether until about 2 days ago when I fixed it.
20:00 those are probably tabs in the dates.
20:00 which come from Koha
20:01 tcohen I've just posted patches on bug 22343, it is just the CRUD, it is still not using that config, but feedback is welcome on the UI
20:01 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22343 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Add SMTP configuration options to Administration
20:02 cait lisettelatah: knitting does count as crafting, right?
20:03 lisettelatah cait of course! Last night we had knitting, crocheting, spinning, and someone working on a sewing pattern. We also had someone who didn't have a craft and that is also allowed :)
20:03 Marie-Luce #cait concerning the system preference AuthorityMergeLimit, what would it do it the limit is set to 0 ?
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20:04 cait i believe it would always merge immedaitely
20:04 let me check
20:05 hm ah, i think it would always use the cron
20:05 (so the other way around)
20:06 and if empty it turns it into 0
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20:07 cait http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0c9cf111b01#l1372
20:07 Marie-Luce so if I do a cleanup in my authorities (merged authorities and deleted others with the same name), what will happen to my biblio record after running the cron?
20:07 cait so 0 or empty = always use the cron for updating the linked bibliographic records
20:08 merging - it changes the heading and authid
20:08 deleting... not quite sure
20:08 but it works on the authid
20:08 so the same name shoudl not hurt things
20:15 Marie-Luce If my authority is linked to biblio records and I delete it by mistake, would it delete the authority info from the biblio record too?
20:17 cait i think so
20:17 but i htink there might be a bug about the delete behaviour somewhere
20:18 i'd probably do a quick test to confirm how it behaves
20:19 Marie-Luce I was sure of the normal behaviour.
20:21 cait bug 24125
20:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24125 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, NEW , Deleting an authority clears the record heading
20:22 Marie-Luce Oh. interesting
20:23 cait adding a comment could help pushing it up a little
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20:24 cait also interested in your opinion on the right behavior
20:26 Marie-Luce I'm using Koha 19.05. This bug is on the master, can you recall if it was in previous version?
20:26 cait i think it should go down to all old versons probably
20:26 if you check when it was filed - 2019-11
20:27 that's probably a good indicator of what version it was filed against
20:27 I think likely to be in 19.05
20:28 Marie-Luce I do have a different probleme. One of my authority was deleted. My biblio records still have the authority number in the 100$9, but it doesn't exist anymore... I'm confused
20:28 cait hm
20:28 has the job run yet?
20:29 you could check the db table
20:29 Marie-Luce no
20:29 what would you check in the db?
20:29 cait it's need_merge_authorities
20:29 it's a bit like zebraqueue
20:30 when the cron is used for merging, then the info is kept there until it has been run
20:30 http://schema.koha-community.o[…]_authorities.html
20:30 you could check for your authid i think
20:31 Marie-Luce so, if the cron is scheduled to run once a day.... everything pile up
20:35 cait yeah - i think hte idea is to process them at a time when the library is not very busy
20:35 Marie-Luce it makes much more sense now
20:35 thanks a lot cait
20:35 cait you are welcome
20:37 davidnind cait++
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20:45 cait davidnind: reminds me... i have tried to improve hte manual about the merging rules
20:46 please let me know if the patches are ok like this - I will try to do some more
20:46 :)
20:47 well it was just seeing you triggering ... manual :)
20:47 davidnind I will have a look! :)
20:47 (I'm sure they will be okay!)
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22:02 tuxayo davidnind: around?
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22:16 davidnind I is!
22:20 tuxayo davidnindis there a good moment for you to work documenting system requirements and recommendations? It's been a while I wanted to look on that topic and I'm free now that I finished other things.
22:20 (other homework for the meeting ^^)
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22:27 davidnind I have a table and notes with the various Koha versions and OS supported
22:28 working on adding the Perl versions and MySQL/MariaDB versions
22:28 might also add a table with the browser versions supported as well
22:28 there are also a couple of recent mailing list items about it as well that I have to digest
22:30 tuxayo > with the various Koha versions and OS supported
22:30 Great, that's the most confusing thing for me. Since it change in the life of a given major version. Can be simple to document if we stick to the latest point  release though.
22:31 > table with the browser versions supported as well
22:31 Indeed, let me check which major version is affected
22:34 Nooooo, no Koha mentioned. Does it means next major? (unlikely) current stable or all 3 supported branches?
22:35 (after rereading general_irc_meeting_15_july_2020)
22:35 > there are also a couple of recent mailing list items about it as well that I have to digest
22:35 davidnind Which are the threads? I can help with that.
22:35 wahanui okay, tuxayo.
22:35 tuxayo lol wahanui
22:36 About IE, knowing the Koha versions is also important to announce the support drop in the mailing list.
22:38 davidnind https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]thread.html#54955
22:38 Browser support is interesting!
22:39 Normally, it is a recent version of the main browsers (Google Chrome, Firefox, Microsoft Edge, and Chromium)
22:40 However, some organisations can be slow in updating desktops/versions
22:40 tuxayo And lastest Firefox ESR I guess?
22:41 davidnind For example, IE 11 (no one in their right mind should use it, but....)
22:41 Adding ESR version, didn't think of that!
22:42 Also, there is a differentiation between the OPAC and the staff interface
22:42 For good web practice, things should degrade nicely but still be functional
22:42 tuxayo Anyway the recommendation aren't that strict due to the variety of client envs. The hard and strict part is about the few versions explicitly not supported anymore. Like IE 11
22:42 > differentiation between the OPAC and the staff interface
22:42 +1
22:43 davidnind However, there is such a combination out there that it gets "hard" to make things work as expected across everything and all OSs
22:44 tuxayo what do you mean?
22:44 davidnind then there are the Apple people with Safari!
22:45 tuxayo Yep, should it be explicitly discouraged? (not dropped like old IEs )
22:46 > things should degrade nicely but still be functional
22:46 Indeed, like circulation still works on IE 5! :D
22:46 davidnind What you said before, there are such a variety of environments Koha is run in or accessed from that it can be hard to categorically support ABC browser on XYZ OS
22:46 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Explorer_support
22:48 davidnind ^^ nice (hesitates to ask where IE 3 and 5 are still used)!
22:49 As Koha uses Bootstrap, it can take care of most of these issues - looking forward to the Bootstrap 4 work
22:50 maybe we can go back to using a text only browser :-D (would be a good test to see what works and what doesn't)
22:53 anyway, on the server side the database combination is what I' working on at the moment - just digging through the dev meeting discussions and mailing list
22:55 tuxayo > hard to categorically support ABC browser
22:55 Indeed an easy approach is to just list the recommendations and the non-supported ones. Like IE. And maybe discourage Safari? (not a strong as not supporting)
22:56 davidnind was where I was leaning towards,I don't think it reasonable to support very old versions of browsers
22:56 tuxayo +1
22:56 davidnind not really familiar with Safari
22:57 Have a meeting for the next hour or so, so will get back to that this afternoon - will post a link once I've got in a reasonable set of info for review/comment (will be some GitLab pages and some source in markdown)
22:57 tuxayo At least I can tell that about media standards, it's super bad. It still doesn't support Ogg vorbis, VP8, VP9, AV1. So due it's marketshare it can singlehandly block the usage of open format :(
22:58 davidnind: Ok, I'll finish responding by email to you and send some additional info I got.
22:59 davidnind that will be great! thanks!
23:08 cait :)
23:08 davidnind++ tuxayo++
23:08 davidnind: actually... you might be the native speaker i am looking for
23:08 coudl you take a moment for bug 19036?
23:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Number payment receipts / payment slips
23:09 cait the question (putting it out her for everyone else too) is if credit number is the right term for the feature described there.
23:09 davidnind having a quick look now...
23:09 cait oh htought i had missed you -thx!
23:10 davidnind shouldn't you be asleep? :)
23:12 cait um...
23:12 i am sleep qa'ing
23:12 davidnind :)
23:15 for debits (when we are charging someone), then invoice number is the right term
23:16 for credits (for payments) then receipt number would be the right term
23:17 cait could you add as comment to the bug please?
23:17 davidnind for credits, where a transaction is reversed or cancelled), then I'll try and track down the correct term
23:18 will add a comment shortly, no problem!
23:18 cait thx :)
23:18 we have a few places in code where we have renamed things later in the gui and made it confusing forever
23:18 fund/budget is the most prominent
23:18 we actually switched them
23:19 so in the code budget means fund... and ugh. I
23:19 I think it's worth thinking about proper naming
23:19 davidnind has always confused me a bit!
23:20 cait or lists and virtualshelves
23:20 patrons and members
23:20 guess i should stop sleep qa'ing now :)
23:20 davidnind yep!
23:21 I hope the terminology doesn't keep you up at night, with your brain whirring away!
23:23 cait comments and reviews..
23:23 too late
23:23 davidnind credit note maybe, although that doesn't cover reversing transactions to fix things up!
23:23 hehe
23:23 cait i think at the moment it would keep the assigned number if reversed... hm
23:24 not sure if that is good or bad - i guess once the receipt has been printed you would not want to reuse a number
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23:24 cait good night!
23:24 davidnind transaction number would cover all situations, if the intend is to have a sequential and unique id for trackability
23:25 good night cait!
23:25 I will add some comments to the bug
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