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| 00:11 | dcook | @later tell oleonard reading your comments in the scrollback made my morning |
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| 00:30 | * oleonard_ | thinks he is done breaking his wifi |
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| 02:18 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 02:18 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 02:18 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #19: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.05_U18/19/ |
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| 06:42 | TimothyAlexis | oleonard, I have noticed that my attempts at contributing so far have been offhanded and I will take care to be attentive from here on. |
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| 06:44 | TimothyAlexis | I aplogize. |
| 06:45 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:51 | alex_a | Bonjout |
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| 08:59 | janncis | hey guys does anyone else have missing perl module Locale:Language ? |
| 08:59 | version 2.07 | |
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| 10:16 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 10:16 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 10:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #249: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.05_U18/249/ |
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| 10:22 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 10:22 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 10:22 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #252: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D8/252/ |
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| 10:28 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #246: NOW UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D9/246/ |
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| 11:00 | Null404 | hello there |
| 11:00 | wahanui | Greetings, programs! |
| 11:01 | Null404 | I'm looking for SQL report that show how many patrons borrowed books form 1.01 to today |
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| 11:11 | davidnind | Null404: Maybe adapt this one https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ons_in_Date_Range |
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| 11:50 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:04 | ashimema | mornin' |
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| 12:13 | * oleonard_ | grumbles |
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| 12:21 | tcohen | late morning |
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| 12:59 | oleonard | tcohen I'm working on an alternate patch for Bug 25909 |
| 12:59 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25909 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Recent change to datatables JS in the OPAC causes errors |
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| 13:10 | tcohen | oleonard thank you |
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| 13:49 | oleonard | Bug 25909 |
| 13:49 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25909 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Recent change to datatables JS in the OPAC causes errors |
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| 14:49 | Joubu | tcohen or ashimema: please review and merge https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]erge_requests/141 |
| 14:49 | (now, please?) | |
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| 15:45 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:36 | kidclamp | Joubu++ |
| 16:42 | * oleonard | waves to kidclamp |
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| 16:45 | oleonard | Anyone else see an error in the OPAC cart? DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'opac_option' in 'where clause' at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Objects.pm line 144 |
| 16:45 | at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77 | |
| 16:47 | * oleonard | hides because git blames him |
| 16:49 | oleonard | Wait... Bug 25402 depended on Bug 5087 |
| 16:49 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Put OPAC cart download options into dropdown menu |
| 16:49 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5087 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Failed QA , Option to not show CSV profiles in OPAC | |
| 16:53 | * cait | is probably to be blamed |
| 16:54 | ashimema | Reviewed, looks good to me |
| 16:55 | Cool, you noticed and merged. 😀 | |
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| 18:54 | caroline | hello everyone! |
| 18:54 | davidnind | hi caroline! |
| 18:54 | caroline | my training this afternoon was postponed! |
| 18:56 | davidnind | excellent! |
| 18:56 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
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| 18:58 | caroline | It also means I have some time to do documentation! |
| 18:58 | thd | Is a meeting about to start? |
| 18:59 | caroline | thd yes |
| 19:00 | thd | I have to go to work shortly. |
| 19:00 | People are also working in my building making a mess spreading paint everywhere doing more harm than good. | |
| 19:00 | wahanui | okay, thd. |
| 19:02 | caroline | davidnind: did you still want to chair? |
| 19:03 | thd | I am also trying to partially move out to have my old plaster ceiling, floors etc. fixed before it all comes crashing down on me. |
| 19:03 | wahanui | okay, thd. |
| 19:03 | davidnind | I'm happy to relinquish that role today :) |
| 19:03 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 19:04 | davidnind | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020 |
| 19:04 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 19:04:15 2020 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020) | |
| 19:04 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020' |
| 19:04 | davidnind | chair caroline |
| 19:04 | #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_2_July_2020 | |
| 19:04 | #topic Introductions | |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020) | |
| 19:05 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 19:05 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Canada |
| 19:05 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [mostly absent as I prepare to go to work] |
| 19:06 | davidnind | #topic Updates |
| 19:06 | Topic for #koha is now Updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020) | |
| 19:07 | davidnind | Looks like only a few of us today :) |
| 19:07 | I managed to get through my action points from the last meeting! | |
| 19:07 | Any project updates? | |
| 19:08 | caroline | not from me |
| 19:08 | davidnind | For me, I've been working slowly on a couple of them |
| 19:09 | Installation guide - have an outline from existing install guides, so starting to copy and paste content in now | |
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| 19:11 | davidnind | For git guide, have been looking at other projects do - a post to the development list didn't have any ideas on how we could improve the git process (https://lists.koha-community.o[…]June/045802.html) |
| 19:11 | aprt from that, nothing more to add | |
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| 19:13 | davidnind | For whats been done, lost of activity over the last month - Caroline, Kelly, Alexander |
| 19:14 | and lots more tasks added to Taiga :-D | |
| 19:14 | caroline | I've had some time to work on docs so I'm trying to catch up |
| 19:14 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 19:14 | great | |
| 19:14 | caroline | I'm still trying to get used to not forgetting to cherry-pick to 20.05 |
| 19:15 | davidnind | easy to forget |
| 19:16 | caroline | and still learning to manage git |
| 19:16 | davidnind | I've been playing around with the structure, but nothing to share yet |
| 19:17 | I seem to master it, don't do anything for while, then I can't remember basic commands! | |
| 19:17 | working on testing patches helps a little | |
| 19:18 | I updated the theme for 20.11 as well, do you think we should do this for the older versions? | |
| 19:18 | hi lucyvh! | |
| 19:19 | caroline | If it's possible to do them all easily, yes |
| 19:19 | but if not, we'll just wait for 20.11 | |
| 19:20 | davidnind | it is easy to do |
| 19:20 | #action davidnind to update manual theme for 20.05, 19.11 and 19.05 | |
| 19:20 | tuxayo | davidnind++ |
| 19:21 | caroline | It looks really good https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/ |
| 19:22 | davidnind | wasn't sure about changing the colour to green in the top left corner, but looks okay I think |
| 19:22 | caroline | yes, it looks great! |
| 19:22 | Maybe the 20.11 is not very visible though | |
| 19:22 | lucyvh | Hi there all |
| 19:22 | davidnind | I'll see if I can fix that |
| 19:22 | tuxayo | Looks more Koha-ish :) |
| 19:23 | davidnind | hi lucyvh! |
| 19:23 | lucyvh | I am here just sorting dinner at the same time! |
| 19:23 | caroline | hi lucyvh! |
| 19:23 | davidnind | only us today... |
| 19:23 | tuxayo | hi o/ |
| 19:23 | davidnind | multitasking again! |
| 19:24 | lucyvh | I haven't been able to do much recently I'm afraid |
| 19:24 | davidnind | I can only do one thing at a time, if I'm lucky |
| 19:24 | no worries | |
| 19:24 | #topic Content development guidelines | |
| 19:24 | Topic for #koha is now Content development guidelines (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020) | |
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| 19:24 | lucyvh | The new theme looks great btw |
| 19:25 | davidnind | thanks |
| 19:25 | contractions such as don't vs do not - do they create issues for translation? | |
| 19:26 | tuxayo | I would guess not. |
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| 19:26 | caroline | not in my case |
| 19:27 | cait? | |
| 19:27 | wahanui | cait is really good at running into things |
| 19:27 | davidnind | I was under the impression they do (from reading other project's style guides), but we use them a lot with the system preferences |
| 19:27 | cait | I am awake! |
| 19:27 | oh meeting? | |
| 19:27 | wahanui | meeting is over :) |
| 19:27 | tuxayo | wahanui: liar! |
| 19:27 | wahanui | tuxayo: i'm not following you... |
| 19:27 | caroline | afaik, they don't break the translating system, but I don't know if specific languages have problems with it |
| 19:28 | in French it's not a problem | |
| 19:28 | cait | i am probably too slow readin back - was there a question? |
| 19:28 | tuxayo | «contractions such as don't vs do not - do they create issues for translation?» |
| 19:28 | cait | no |
| 19:29 | davidnind | thanks cait! |
| 19:29 | cait | there is only one problem i can think of, but we prevent it with a coding guideline |
| 19:29 | we have a coding guideline that double quotes sohuld be used around strings, so we can have the single quotes for french and the short forms inside | |
| 19:30 | string "don't" works, but 'don't' wouldn't - but as I said, coding guidelines should help with that | |
| 19:30 | caroline | In french I know the « » cause problems, but " and ' are ok |
| 19:31 | tuxayo | https://koha-fr.org/traduction-conseils-generaux/ |
| 19:31 | cait | yep, in general quotes should be fine |
| 19:31 | tuxayo | " seems to be a problem |
| 19:31 | cait | it's probably the javascript case |
| 19:31 | in html it doesn't matter | |
| 19:32 | if you have double quote outside, double quotes inside can cause issues | |
| 19:32 | tuxayo | Yeah, avoiding " is for JS |
| 19:32 | cait | yep |
| 19:32 | but i think that's nothing we need to worry about for the manual whatsoever | |
| 19:32 | davidnind | excellent, so we can leave as is for the manual as is |
| 19:32 | caroline | I'd still like to eventually have a guideline |
| 19:33 | Do we write "button" or 'button' for example | |
| 19:33 | cait | to use double or single for quoting? |
| 19:33 | ah | |
| 19:33 | i like italic | |
| 19:33 | :) | |
| 19:33 | caroline | lol! just making it more complicated |
| 19:33 | cait | seriously, i thin a lot of quotes often make things harder to read, i prefer italic for things 'written in the gui' in my docs |
| 19:33 | caroline | so that means using *? |
| 19:34 | cait | probably a little late for the manual :) I think so |
| 19:34 | caroline | So far, I've mostly used single quotes, but I'm very used to using double in real life so I might mix them up |
| 19:34 | cait | i tihnk i copied that style from some technical documentation books |
| 19:34 | similar here | |
| 19:34 | davidnind | I have a list of things to propose, for interface elements was going to suggest bold, such as Click OK <== OK would be bolded |
| 19:34 | cait | Germany uses double |
| 19:36 | caroline | ok we can do bold... maybe not retroactively, but like capitalization, correct them when you see them |
| 19:36 | bold is **? | |
| 19:36 | davidnind | I think so |
| 19:36 | cait | i thin if it stands out too much, we could still apply some css :) |
| 19:36 | as long as we format somewhat consistently | |
| 19:37 | it should be fine | |
| 19:38 | davidnind | I'll come back by next meeting with some suggestions, was going to base on google developer guide for (Apache 2 licenced) so we can use (https://developers.google.com/style/) |
| 19:39 | #info Contractions such as don't do not cause problems for translation | |
| 19:39 | lucyvh | Good idea to base it on an existing standard |
| 19:39 | * cait | agrees |
| 19:39 | caroline | cool |
| 19:39 | davidnind++ | |
| 19:40 | davidnind | since google things are web-based, and Koha is, I thought it would make a bit more sense |
| 19:40 | tuxayo | +1 |
| 19:41 | davidnind | the microsoft style guide covers a lot more, such as desktop applications, so not quite as relevant |
| 19:41 | #action davidnind to come back with documentation style guide suggestions for next next meeting for discussion (to send around for discussion before) | |
| 19:42 | I seem to be giving myself more things to do! | |
| 19:43 | git branch names - do we change master to main? (sounds like it is easy to do https://www.hanselman.com/blog[…]asterToMain.aspx) | |
| 19:43 | caroline | what is the purpose? |
| 19:44 | cait | inclusive language |
| 19:44 | caroline | ah! |
| 19:44 | makes sense | |
| 19:44 | cait | master slave as used in tech context is not good |
| 19:44 | davidnind | beat me to it! |
| 19:44 | cait | sorry! |
| 19:44 | i guess you also can explain it better | |
| 19:44 | davidnind | no, that seems fine |
| 19:44 | caroline | then sure, we can change it |
| 19:45 | lucyvh | Agreed, should be changed |
| 19:46 | caroline | I don't feel comfortable doing it though, afraid I'll mees up everything |
| 19:46 | cait | same |
| 19:46 | i think people will also have to do something with their local repos | |
| 19:46 | or maybe not - i really don't know, but i have seen other projects have been doing it | |
| 19:46 | caroline | yeah, I was just thinking that |
| 19:46 | davidnind | I'll experiment with anther repository to make sure it works, then do and let everyone know |
| 19:46 | caroline | in .git/config or something |
| 19:47 | cait | davidnind++ |
| 19:47 | davidnind | I can check with rangi just to make sure - will add as an issues in GitLab |
| 19:47 | just to make sure we get it right | |
| 19:48 | #info agreed to change terminology to be more inclusive (master ==> main) | |
| 19:49 | #action davidnind to open issue to change repository branch naming and advise documentation list in advance and once done | |
| 19:49 | tuxayo | > master slave as used in tech context is not good |
| 19:49 | That really depends of the culture, the relationship with language changes. (though some are more problematic that others) | |
| 19:49 | main is great as it's still gives a good meaning to the branch so that's a good change as it should fit everyone. | |
| 19:50 | davidnind | thanks tuxayo! |
| 19:50 | any other content development guideline things? | |
| 19:50 | * tuxayo | did nothing |
| 19:51 | * thd | should have left for work 10 min. ago. |
| 19:52 | davidnind | #topic Next steps |
| 19:52 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020) | |
| 19:52 | davidnind | over to you caroline... |
| 19:53 | caroline | I checked the release notes for 20.11 last week I think and there wasn't much there yet, so continue on 20.05 |
| 19:53 | I'm working through taiga, trying to get as much in as possible while I have time | |
| 19:53 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 19:54 | * cait | wishes there was ways to 'make' more time in a day |
| 19:54 | caroline | https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]cs-1805/epic/1117 |
| 19:54 | cait | my new coworker is currently proof reading the German translation and has found some cases where the sysprefs have been renamed |
| 19:54 | where do i report? taiga or bugzilla? | |
| 19:55 | tuxayo | ~ ❯❯❯ make time ✘ 1 |
| 19:55 | make: *** No rule to make target 'time'. Stop. | |
| 19:55 | :( | |
| 19:55 | cait | can i just patch or should i always file? |
| 19:56 | caroline | if you have time, just patch, if you can't patch right away and don't want to forget, file in bz |
| 19:56 | tuxayo | cait: you mean the English manual has the old syspref name? |
| 19:58 | davidnind | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 19:58 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020) | |
| 19:58 | cait | yes |
| 19:58 | ok thx caroline | |
| 20:00 | davidnind | as long as this time still suits everyone, 6 August 2020, 19:00 UTC? |
| 20:00 | caroline | I'll probably be on vacation, but I don't mind missing one meeting |
| 20:00 | davidnind | we can do a week later |
| 20:01 | caroline | 13 would be good for me |
| 20:01 | davidnind | we'll do that then |
| 20:01 | #info Next meeting: 13 August 2020, 19:00 UTC? | |
| 20:01 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:01 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:01 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 20:01:52 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:01 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-02-19.04.html | |
| 20:01 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]0-07-02-19.04.txt | |
| 20:01 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-19.04.log.html | |
| 20:02 | caroline | davidnind++++ |
| 20:02 | davidnind | thanks everyone! |
| 20:02 | lucyvh | Thanks everyone |
| 20:02 | tuxayo | davidnind++ |
| 20:02 | thanks folks! | |
| 20:03 | davidnind | a miracle, we kept it under an hour (just!) |
| 20:03 | contemplates to do list, goes back to procrastinating :) | |
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| 20:28 | ashimema | Too many meetings. Sorry I missed this one |
| 20:29 | davidnind | no problem - the joy of meetings! |
| 20:33 | Marie-Luce | my apologies for the doc meeting. I'm really sorry |
| 20:34 | davidnind | no problem Marie-Luce (you get to read the minutes!) |
| 20:36 | caroline | ashimema: can you generate the minutes? |
| 20:38 | aleisha | hi |
| 20:38 | wahanui | what's up, aleisha |
| 20:44 | oleonard | Hi aleisha |
| 20:44 | aleisha | hi oleonard |
| 20:44 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
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| 23:10 | oleonard | I am amused at the thought of long gone bug-filers getting updates to bugs years later. |
| 23:16 | tuxayo | Part of the contact emails might not be valid anymore ^^ |
| 23:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #253: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D8/253/ |
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| 23:35 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 23:35 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 23:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #247: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D9/247/ |
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