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| 06:07 | davidnind | @later tell Joubu Could you run the meeting script to update for the next documentation meeting? Thanks! |
| 06:07 | huginn | davidnind: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:07 | Joubu | will do! |
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| 06:46 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 06:46 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
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| 07:07 | Joubu | @later tell mtj I've added you to the "default CC" for the packaging bugs on bugzilla ;) |
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| 07:18 | cait2 | good morning #koha! |
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| 07:46 | kohaputti | cait, good morning! I'm probably going to try rescue bug 11175 in it's original form, meaning displaying the list of links to 001+003 with Zebra and ES. |
| 07:46 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views |
| 07:46 | kohaputti | we still get the UI stuff out of this even if someone would like to refactor it later to use DB linking |
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| 07:56 | cait | kohaputti: exciting |
| 08:04 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1362: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1362/ |
| 08:11 | cait | hm i am working on changing some custom code using get_effective_issuing_rule for 20.05 |
| 08:11 | it looks like we have still tests for it, but it's gone? | |
| 08:39 | Joubu | cait: how that? |
| 08:40 | ha, it's only the "descriptions" that have not been adjusted | |
| 08:40 | get_effective_issuing_rule vs get_effective_rule | |
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| 08:49 | cait | Joubu: that explains |
| 08:49 | i think i managed to rewrite my code, but still stuck on the rebase, have to testlater | |
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| 09:34 | Joubu | So, everybody's upgrading to the newly released 20.05.00, what a good idea! :D |
| 09:35 | * kohaputti | notices "Edit record" in koha is slow to load |
| 09:36 | cait | Joubu: i am going to use a 20.05 in a presentation to students next week |
| 09:36 | it better not embarasses me! :) | |
| 09:41 | ashimema | I was surprised to see people upgrading to a .00.. |
| 09:41 | it'll certainly help flush bugs | |
| 09:42 | but yeah.. I usually suggest people wait for a .03 or .04 for safety | |
| 09:42 | hopefully they're all people willing to live with a few bugs for a couple of months ;) | |
| 09:42 | grr.. | |
| 09:43 | * ashimema | decided he should try to catch up with jajm.. but instead of getting his first PQA of the month.. he added his first FQA instead :( |
| 09:43 | Joubu | the problem is that .list file that contain "stable" |
| 09:43 | so they get upgraded once it's released.. | |
| 09:43 | ashimema | yeah.. |
| 09:43 | I have sort of felt for a while that we should change those listsing | |
| 09:43 | listings.. even | |
| 09:43 | Joubu | they should track using version number instead |
| 09:44 | ashimema | oldstable, stable, something |
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| 09:44 | cait | but won't that have the same effect? |
| 09:44 | if you track stableß | |
| 09:44 | ? | |
| 09:44 | ashimema | it would.. except you'll be tracking upgrades from .06 -> .06 |
| 09:45 | sorry.. | |
| 09:45 | .12 -> .06 | |
| 09:45 | as opposed to .06 -> .00 | |
| 09:45 | by .06 the current release really should actually be 'stable' in real terms | |
| 09:46 | whereas our current model.. the stable isn't necessarily entirely stable (I suppose it's feature stable, but it's not bugfree stable) at initial release | |
| 09:47 | Joubu | I don't understant |
| 09:47 | ashimema | `oldstable`, `stable`, `latest` might be a better terminology |
| 09:48 | then those really seeking "absolute latest at risk of bugs" can follow `latest` whilst the more causious can use `stable` to get.. "nearly latest code, but a bit more tested" | |
| 09:49 | Joubu | it's just naming, in that case people just needs to track oldstable instead of stable |
| 09:49 | kohaputti | in debian terms latest would be testing |
| 09:49 | Joubu | or I still don't understand :D |
| 09:49 | ashimema | cait, what would you do on bug 25526.. just obsolete the first patch and mark as NSO again? |
| 09:49 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25526 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , Using Write Off Selected will not allow for a different amount to be written off |
| 09:49 | ashimema | yeah.. `testing`.. that was the word I was looking for.. but my brain failed me |
| 09:50 | Joubu | but 20.05 is not supposed to be "testing" |
| 09:50 | ashimema | you understand my rationale then kohaputti.. do you think that would be sane too |
| 09:50 | ? | |
| 09:50 | well.. we don't have a testing.. my suggestion is that we do | |
| 09:51 | Joubu | then they will get 20.05.06, when 20.11 will be out. And bugs will be reported 6 months later :) |
| 09:52 | ashimema | well.. yes |
| 09:52 | but one would hope that some people actually deliberately use 'testing' | |
| 09:52 | Joubu | what they report is mainly upgrade issues so far (memcached or plack not restart, updateDB that fails) |
| 09:52 | things we don't test in dev env | |
| 09:52 | ashimema | whereas at the moment I think we catch lots of people who don't really mean to be on that branch at all |
| 09:52 | okies | |
| 09:53 | it was just a suggestion ;) | |
| 09:53 | kohaputti | we have quite a lot of QA going on before the package is pushed so testing might not be necessary |
| 09:54 | ashimema | fair |
| 09:58 | cait | to be fair... i reported the file permission thing |
| 10:00 | quite a while before release actually | |
| 10:01 | and yep, my new 20.05 is showing the issue too | |
| 10:01 | ashimema | I don't see a report for it at ugprade |
| 10:01 | only for at install time | |
| 10:02 | cait | i reported it on upgrade |
| 10:02 | then i did a complete new installation | |
| 10:02 | and it was still broken | |
| 10:02 | it's all on the bug report | |
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| 10:02 | Null404 | hello |
| 10:02 | wahanui | hey, Null404 |
| 10:02 | Null404 | is there any way to get a list of deleted Messages on Patron in KOHA ? |
| 10:03 | kohaputti | is using Rebased-by git-trailer ok? I see one other person using it, other people add a comment after sign-off about rebasing but I don't want to sign-off my rebase... |
| 10:04 | cait | hm and this 20.05 also has the broken about page |
| 10:05 | tcohen: I have the broken about page in my kohadevbox | |
| 10:05 | an't locate object method "phases" via package "CPAN::Meta::Prereqs" at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Installer/PerlModules.pm line 55 | |
| 10:05 | do we have a workaround for that yet? | |
| 10:06 | ashimema | Rebased-by seems a good trailer to me |
| 10:06 | I've also used 'Rescued-by' | |
| 10:06 | if you've rebased something ancient and effectively adopted it from the original author | |
| 10:06 | Joubu | cait: apt install libcpan-meta-perl |
| 10:07 | cait | Joubu: will that be auto-installed if you update from self-made packages? or should i add that for my sysadmi too? |
| 10:07 | Joubu | see the ML |
| 10:07 | it is supposed to work, but someone just reported it | |
| 10:07 | cait | the subjects are not helpful, was just working through ml messages :) |
| 10:07 | ok, i better add it, easy to test at least | |
| 10:08 | hm it doesn't appear to fix things | |
| 10:09 | Joubu | apt show libcpan-meta-perl must return 2.150010 (NOT 2.150005) |
| 10:09 | cait | Setting up libcpan-meta-perl (2.150010-1) ... |
| 10:09 | Joubu | restart all |
| 10:09 | cait | i did |
| 10:09 | Joubu | which OS? |
| 10:09 | wahanui | which OS are you using? |
| 10:09 | cait | ah ok, it took a second restart |
| 10:09 | not sure why, but now it's ok | |
| 10:09 | now to fix the permission thing | |
| 10:10 | Joubu | chown -R kohadev-koha:kohadev-koha /var/log/koha/kohadev |
| 10:12 | cait | thank you :) |
| 10:12 | do i just need towswitch out the user for a normal package installation? | |
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| 10:19 | Joubu | the permissions are set with koha-create, so you should not need to do it |
| 10:19 | cait | but you don't run koha-create on an update |
| 10:20 | we are updating our demo server - it serves as a first update test as well | |
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| 10:26 | cait | Joubu: can you remind me of the bug number for the permission issue? |
| 10:26 | failing to find the email | |
| 10:26 | Joubu | cait: yes for an upgrade you may need to do it. I've asked a couple of hours ago on https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=25284#c24 |
| 10:26 | huginn | Bug 25284: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Can't open /var/log/koha/kohadev/opac-error.log (Permission denied) |
| 10:26 | Joubu | heh, that one |
| 10:27 | cait | thx! |
| 10:29 | kohaputti | oh, I got that error too |
| 10:30 | Joubu | ashimema: could you follow-up on 22522 if it's clear for you what needs to be done? |
| 10:30 | kohaputti | just chown'd stuff and didn't think it could be fixed somewhere :D |
| 10:31 | cait | for non-dev users it can be quite a hurdle |
| 10:31 | if we can't automate, we need to make it clear in the notes | |
| 10:31 | kohaputti | well this one we can automate |
| 10:33 | Joubu | yes definitely, I bet it's for the postinst script, but not 100% sure |
| 10:37 | kohaputti | or just add the opac-error.log to debian/scripts/koha-plack list of files to fix |
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| 10:39 | kohaputti | I guess intranet-error.log should be there too |
| 10:39 | Joubu | I was not aware of that |
| 10:39 | that should not be there I think | |
| 10:39 | kohaputti | I wonder if sru-apache-error.log is correct either |
| 10:40 | it is defined here: | |
| 10:40 | templates/log4perl-site.conf.in:log4perl.appender.INTRANET.filename=__LOG_DIR__/intranet-error.log | |
| 10:40 | ... under $koha_root/debian | |
| 10:41 | Joubu | sru-apache-error.log? |
| 10:41 | kohaputti | intranet-error.log |
| 10:41 | sru-apacher-error.log is for z3950 daemon | |
| 10:41 | ashimema | will do Joubu |
| 10:43 | Joubu | thanks |
| 10:43 | kohaputti: I don't understand what you mean. But yes intranet-error.log has the same problm as opac-error.log | |
| 10:44 | kohaputti | sru-apacher-error.log is also chowned as root |
| 10:44 | wahanui | okay, kohaputti. |
| 10:44 | Joubu | both are created by apache if the files don't not exist. |
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| 10:45 | kohaputti | apache creates intranet-error.log at least with the wrong user (root), it should be the koha-user since log4perl is used. |
| 10:46 | Joubu | it's z3950-error.log :) |
| 10:46 | at least it's how it's named in master | |
| 10:46 | kohaputti | I upgraded from some older koha version this installation, maybe the log files were not renamed |
| 10:47 | Joubu | yes, it creates them with wrong user, but now (20.05) we have koha-create that will fix the permissions |
| 10:47 | that only works for new instance creation ofc | |
| 10:47 | kohaputti | but the intranet-error.log issue with wrong user, as well as the opac-error.log issue with wrong user still exists |
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| 10:48 | kohaputti | Joubu, debian/scripts/koha-plack lists the log files that need chown'ing and chowns those |
| 10:48 | so we could easily add the intranet and opac logs to that list | |
| 10:49 | now there is: /var/log/koha/${instance}/plack.log and /var/log/koha/${instance}/plack-error.log | |
| 10:50 | ^ this was the suggestions earlier I tried to explain... | |
| 10:52 | Joubu | yes, but it's not the right place imo |
| 10:52 | but that could work | |
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| 11:25 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:27 | cait1 | hi oleonard |
| 11:27 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
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| 11:58 | ashimema | am I missing something obvious.. |
| 11:58 | how can an item be on order and issued at the same time> | |
| 12:00 | cait1 | i guess if you overwrite the rules |
| 12:00 | oleonard | cait: I want to say Bug 20168 is ready for testing but if I do I have to write a test plan... |
| 12:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 |
| 12:00 | cait1 | and forgot to change the item status |
| 12:00 | tcohen | ashimema can't you just think in more than 4 dimensions? |
| 12:01 | ashimema | back in my physics days i used to think in fair few dimentions ;) |
| 12:03 | oh I see.. it's more of the method name issue than a logic problem | |
| 12:06 | '/me is reluctantly on an FQA spree it seems | |
| 12:07 | * ashimema | was aiming for a PQA spree.. but alas.. |
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| 12:10 | * oleonard | hides his filthy awful patches from ashimema |
| 12:14 | tcohen | #koha we need more junkins nodes |
| 12:15 | oleonard | Haha sick burn... junkins. Take that Jenkins! |
| 12:17 | ashimema | hahaha |
| 12:18 | agreed tcohen | |
| 12:19 | not entirely sure how to help there though :(.. we're already donating peoples and sandboxes at ptfs-e.. not sure I can work my magic to get any more donations at the minute | |
| 12:30 | * Joubu | gives his body to Jenkins |
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| 12:50 | tcohen | @later tell mtj your node/runner is down |
| 12:50 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:50 | ashimema | how much grunt do Jenkins runners actually need tcohen |
| 12:51 | I could perhaps buy a couple of pi's to devote to it if they've got the guys? | |
| 13:00 | kohaputti | tcohen, I'm checking if we can do anything at our library to help. Is the need more for availability of nodes, or for compute power? What would be the required specs for this server? |
| 13:01 | tcohen | dual core, 4GB RAM, |
| 13:01 | kohaputti | and x86_64 I assume :) |
| 13:01 | tcohen | 60/80GB storage |
| 13:01 | x86_64, that's right | |
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| 13:03 | kohaputti | so much space |
| 13:03 | what does jenkins store? | |
| 13:03 | ashimema | blimey.. yeah.. |
| 13:03 | that's storage requirement is huge? | |
| 13:03 | why dat... | |
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| 13:29 | kohaputti | tcohen, ^ |
| 13:29 | tcohen | docker images |
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| 13:30 | tcohen | the kohaclone has shrunk |
| 13:30 | but it is normal to have 8/10 GB of docker images | |
| 13:30 | I'm checking | |
| 13:32 | I'm running one of the normal tasks and see how much space is used | |
| 13:34 | kohaputti it is not using more than 20GB | |
| 13:34 | total | |
| 13:34 | so I guess a 40GB one would be find | |
| 13:39 | Null404 | hi, is there any way to get a list of deleted Messages on Patron in KOHA ? |
| 13:44 | oleonard | Null404: No, when they are deleted they are deleted from the database |
| 13:44 | It would be a good enhancement to make it possible to see past messages since they're quite easy to delete | |
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| 13:45 | oleonard | ...provided the enhancement took GDPR in mind |
| 13:49 | kohaputti | tcohen, ok, that's perfect, I will see if I can arrange such server. |
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| 14:00 | ashimema | cait.. I'm not sure I agree with your followup on bug 25545 |
| 14:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25545 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Invoice page - Adjustments are not included in the Total + adjustments + shipment cost (Column tax. inc.) |
| 14:07 | Null404 | oh okay |
| 14:10 | tcohen | kohaputti ashimema Joubu I'm adding a cheap runner on behalf of Theke for the Gitlab tasks |
| 14:11 | now that mtj's is down we don't get KTD built | |
| 14:11 | ashimema | tcohen, you're a start |
| 14:11 | * tcohen, you're a star | |
| 14:13 | kohaputti | tcohen, so you manage jenkins? Just wondering who to contact if I manage to get the server for this (I will know earliest tomorrow). |
| 14:13 | tcohen | that's me |
| 14:13 | kohaputti | ok, great |
| 14:13 | tcohen | or ashimema or Joubu |
| 14:13 | but try with me first | |
| 14:13 | ashimema | kohaputti++ |
| 14:13 | tcohen | kohaputti++ |
| 14:13 | ashimema | probably best to try tcohen first. although I have access I'm by no means as adept as tcohen yet |
| 14:14 | * ashimema | is still learning |
| 14:17 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #12: STILL FAILING in 4 min 41 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D10/12/ |
| 14:28 | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #344: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/344/ | |
| 14:31 | cait1 | oleonard: do you have an opinion on bug 25545 follow-up? |
| 14:31 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25545 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Passed QA , Invoice page - Adjustments are not included in the Total + adjustments + shipment cost (Column tax. inc.) |
| 14:31 | * oleonard | looks |
| 14:33 | oleonard | I think it's correct |
| 14:35 | cait1 | before or after? |
| 14:35 | oleonard | I think the follow-up is correct |
| 14:36 | ashimema | feel free to comment as such.. I didn't want to hold up QA based on my opinion |
| 14:37 | I wouldn't write. "Dog + cat" for example.. I'd write "Dog + Cat" | |
| 14:37 | anywho.. not worth arguing over | |
| 14:37 | cait1 | oleonard: I also looked up your question from last week abotu the typo - but didn't have time to fully test it out |
| 14:37 | ashimema: i think you'd do that, but we don't adhere to the title rules | |
| 14:38 | we made it simply "first word" | |
| 14:38 | at least that's my interpretation | |
| 14:38 | capitalization is different in German (of course) | |
| 14:40 | ashimema | I have a feeling I may be patching that locally then..or in the British English translations at least. |
| 14:40 | oh well | |
| 14:40 | cait1 | and not sure if ti's more sane or not |
| 14:40 | hm | |
| 14:40 | ashimema: do you change it in other places too? | |
| 14:41 | ashimema | can't say I've run into similar cases |
| 14:41 | no matter.. not worth spending much time on it to be honest | |
| 14:41 | cait1 | i don't want to make you unhappy |
| 14:42 | we also do "Notices and slips" | |
| 14:42 | just to explin my logic | |
| 14:42 | and... if you can#t tell by this discussion... I have to make slides again | |
| 14:42 | (and try to avoid it) | |
| 14:42 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:44 | oleonard | cait1 we could trade and you could write my test plan instead... but I don't think you'd like my slides |
| 14:44 | cait1 | it sounds very tempting |
| 14:45 | what makes your test plan so bad? | |
| 14:45 | btw.... slides for 90 minutes | |
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| 14:47 | oleonard | cait1 I want to be more thorough with the test plan than "Test everything" but I'm not sure how specific I need to be. |
| 14:48 | cait1 | so yours will also fill 90 minutes at least? :) |
| 14:48 | is it "all of Koha" or a specific area? | |
| 14:48 | oh1 | |
| 14:48 | bootstrap 4? | |
| 14:49 | oleonard | In the OPAC |
| 14:53 | ashimema | mm.. scary one that |
| 14:53 | I'd go so far as to request special treatment from the RM and just aim for an early push and accompany it with a promise to fix the bugs that fall out throughout the cycle | |
| 14:54 | kinda feels like the sanest approach to me on that one. | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Yeah that's what I think too. |
| 14:57 | * ashimema | is just going to have to do his accessibility patches twice isn't he.. once for the customers branch and once for community at large.. |
| 15:00 | cait1 | we could also do this "hit it for one hour thing" i suggested in QA email |
| 15:00 | just a group of people ... 1 hour and try to test as much as possible | |
| 15:00 | to see if any biggies turn up | |
| 15:01 | oleonard | I mean... If you're going to have to patch 18.11 too ashimema? |
| 15:08 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:08 | count me in one an hours trying to break the OPAC cait | |
| 15:09 | in fact.. pretty sure I could get a team onboard with that.. I could setup one or two sandboxes and just point the support guys at it | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | An international simultaneous scrutiny of my patches? I'm going to take some heavy psychic damage from that :D |
| 15:14 | cait1 | you need to be more confident |
| 15:14 | i am not going to tell ashimema, but usually i take your patches when i need to PQA on something | |
| 15:14 | :P | |
| 15:14 | ashimema: read what you said earlier about FQA a lot... it just happens | |
| 15:15 | ashimema | hehe |
| 15:15 | yeah... I've passed a few since then and feel better now | |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | «early push and accompany it with a promise to fix the bugs that fall out throughout the cycle kinda feels like the sanest approach |
| 15:16 | to me on that one.» | |
| 15:16 | For such big changes doing that early in the cycle seems a good approach. | |
| 15:16 | cait1 | ashimema: if you got a team.. want to set a time and date? |
| 15:16 | ashimema | I tend to build pass 2 or more for any I fail.. it's sorta habit.. if I fail something I have to go hunt out at least one to pass to mentally fix my Karma ;) |
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| 15:17 | ashimema | I'll raise it in tomorrows company meeting |
| 15:17 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 15:17 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 15:17 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #232: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D8/232/ |
| 15:19 | tuxayo | ashimema: «I could setup one or two sandboxes and just point the support guys at it» |
| 15:19 | I'm not sure you can use sandboxes for this bug. (patches aren't in bugzilla due to their size) | |
| 15:19 | koha-jenkins: 🥳 | |
| 15:19 | koha-jenkins | tuxayo did you mean me? Unknown command '🥳' |
| 15:19 | Use '!koha-jenkins help' to get help! | |
| 15:20 | ashimema | sandboxes can use a git branch from anywhere ;) |
| 15:20 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 15:20 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 15:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #227: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.05_U18/227/ |
| 15:20 | ashimema | and.. as I have the keys to/maintain one of the sandboxes servers.. I can kinda checkout whatever I like on them ;) |
| 15:20 | tuxayo | This is great! |
| 15:21 | ashimema | you should deffo try the branch checkout options.. they work very well :) |
| 15:30 | kohaputti | I'm working on a patch that introduces new zebra search keyword ("cni") but in unit tests I get |
| 15:30 | CCL parsing error (10014) Unknown qualifier ZOOM for query: (rcn='1234' and cni='FIRST') or rcn='FIRST 1234' at /kohadevbox/koha/C4/Search.pm line 250. | |
| 15:30 | with intranet and opac the searches work | |
| 15:31 | do I need to mock this new zebra keyword somehow? | |
| 15:32 | I did the following mocks: | |
| 15:32 | t::lib::Mocks::mock_preference( 'SearchEngine', 'Zebra' ); | |
| 15:32 | my $search_mod = Test::MockModule->new( 'C4::Search' ); | |
| 15:32 | $search_mod->mock( 'new_record_from_zebra', \&test_component_record_second ); | |
| 15:37 | maybe I should try rebuilding zebra index... | |
| 15:37 | no help :( | |
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| 15:45 | tuxayo | http://sandboxes.ptfs-europe.co.uk/create |
| 15:45 | > Git remote & branch | |
| 15:45 | Nice, I had never noticed it | |
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| 15:56 | tcohen | where are you adding the keyword? |
| 15:56 | rememebr Search.t launches its own zebra server | |
| 16:00 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #226: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D9/226/ |
| 16:06 | kohaputti | tcohen, ooh, I think that might be the issue then, not launching zebra server, let me see that first |
| 16:06 | although, I mock the search thing but let me still try. | |
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| 16:32 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:50 | oleonard | The good thing about writing a detailed test plan is finding the things you forgot to fix... |
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| 17:16 | ashimema | oleonard++ |
| 17:30 | caroline | ashimema are you on the koha-docs mailing list? your message was blocked, I don't know why |
| 17:30 | It's the first time in 1 1#2 yrs I've seen an email from an actual koha-community member being blocked | |
| 17:33 | ashimema | I thinks it was because I did a reply-all and totally missed that the list was in the original email trail |
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| 18:06 | tcohen | @seen mtj |
| 18:06 | huginn | tcohen: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 days, 13 hours, 42 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <mtj> oops, sorry the Koha_20.05_D8 noise ^ |
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| 18:38 | caroline | are language-specific sql still what is used for translating frameworks? |
| 18:38 | just noticed there is an error in the fr-CA authorities frameworks and I wondered if I should submit a patch with sql | |
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| 18:47 | cait | caroline: are you using MARC21? |
| 18:47 | caroline | yes |
| 18:47 | cait | is it an sql error or a translation error? |
| 18:47 | caroline | sql error |
| 18:48 | but it's not present in enghlish | |
| 18:48 | ashimema | I'd fix the SQL error as a patch to the SQL.. |
| 18:49 | cait | hm, I've been asking because i use pootle for the framework |
| 18:49 | s | |
| 18:49 | caroline | yeah, I've seen MARC stuff on pootle, that's why I was asking |
| 18:49 | cait | and in theory that shoudl give you perfect sql files |
| 18:49 | translate here: https://translate.koha-communi[…]org/fr_CA/marc21/ | |
| 18:49 | download here: https://translate.koha-community.org/files/ | |
| 18:50 | and then you can turn the downloaded files into a patch that will match the English ones | |
| 18:50 | caroline | If it's on Pootle, does that mean we get to be able to use frameworks in more that 1 language? |
| 18:50 | cait | at themoment it's only a help to translate the sql files |
| 18:50 | and you have to submit them yourself as a patch | |
| 18:50 | ashimema | seen these too caroline: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=24871 |
| 18:50 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'these', ashimema |
| 18:50 | cait | it's not part of the releases |
| 18:50 | caroline | ah ok. too bad... |
| 18:50 | oleonard | wahanui: forget these |
| 18:50 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot these |
| 18:50 | cait | but it sure does help to translate them |
| 18:51 | ashimema | we might need a similar removal bug for fr-CA.. i'm not close enough to tell at this point |
| 18:51 | cait | possibly |
| 18:51 | but i am not sure about all the steps yet myself - i think we need bernardo to create files on pootle with the translations from the existing files | |
| 18:54 | when you want to make the move he'd probably be happy to help | |
| 18:55 | caroline | are *installer.po supposed to replace staff-prog and opac-bootstrap and all those files? |
| 18:55 | cait | no |
| 18:55 | those are only for the installer | |
| 18:55 | another file for another task | |
| 18:56 | caroline | so installer.po files will be for MARC and authorised_values and things like that? |
| 18:56 | cait | for marc we already have files - not sure if they are converted |
| 18:56 | i think mostly for the other things like notices, and auth values | |
| 18:59 | hm i think you get to use yml... for marc, but still use the po we have | |
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| 20:33 | caroline | cait how do you translate deleted fields in pootle? Example https://translate.koha-communi[…]filter=incomplete says Bib field 023 "STANDARD FILM NUMBER (VM) [DELETED]" it's not even in the historic section of http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bd01x09x.html |
| 20:33 | it's not in my french version either https://www.marc21.ca/M21/BIB/B036-01X.html | |
| 20:33 | cait1 | hm i think doing my best to have it make sense |
| 20:33 | caroline | (wlol sorry! |
| 20:33 | cait1 | the German translation is outdated... so i have to get a bit creative sometimes |
| 20:34 | caroline | so you do translate them? |
| 20:34 | cait1 | yes, becasue they show |
| 20:34 | i think | |
| 20:34 | it's been a whlie | |
| 20:34 | caroline | Do you know of any reason we would still have them in the frameworks? |
| 20:35 | I guess some ppl might have records with those fields, but even new installs? | |
| 20:37 | cait1 | i think old data |
| 20:37 | and people migrate from older systems... so the fields could be there | |
| 20:38 | the main reason will be that Koha deletes data if the fields are not in the framework | |
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| 20:51 | tuxayo | tcohen around? |
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| 23:37 | hayley | hey tuxayo you around? :) |
| 23:38 | tuxayo | hayley: yup :) |
| 23:40 | hayley | just a note about the rmaint, generally the patches that get backported cascade in a waterfall fashion, so stable decides what goes in from master, oldstable decides what goes in from stable, and then oldoldstable decides what goes in from oldstable, if that makes sense? obviously there are exceptions to that rule, like if the patch is for a specific version, or if you've chatted to someone about it, just thought I'd let you know in case someone hadn't :) |
| 23:41 | generally oldoldstable tries to only backported critical or major, as the goal is to protect the version and not really for enhancements, but everyone does it differently really | |
| 23:43 | tuxayo | > oldoldstable decides what goes in from oldstable |
| 23:43 | Unless I got mixed up, I'm only looking at patches from my upstream (19.11) to consider backporting to 19.05 | |
| 23:44 | hayley | yes that's correct tuxayo |
| 23:44 | ahh are you looking at the patches from before the most recent release? | |
| 23:44 | sorry I didn't consider that | |
| 23:44 | that's cool | |
| 23:45 | when I did oldoldstable I only considered patches from after the last release, but it's totally fine to look backwardds if you want to! | |
| 23:45 | tuxayo | > ahh are you looking at the patches from before the most recent release? |
| 23:45 | yes, when 19.11 pushed a fair number of patches after 19.05 freezed. | |
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| 23:47 | tuxayo | > when I did oldoldstable I only considered patches from after the last release, but it's totally fine to look backwardds if you want to! |
| 23:47 | I would have missed some in my case. I just started from latest patch in 19.05.x, looked in the log of 19.11.x and I'm moving up to catch up | |
| 23:48 | > generally oldoldstable tries to only backported critical or major, as the goal is to protect the version and not really for enhancements, but everyone does it differently really | |
| 23:48 | I'm noting that. That will help when I hesitate for normal or minor bug. | |
| 23:48 | hayley | that's fine, I understand now! not a problem :) |
| 23:52 | tuxayo | > when I did oldoldstable I only considered patches from after the last release, but it's totally fine to look backwardds if you want to! |
| 23:52 | I wonder if that's not actually necessary to look before the latest release. To avoid having a gaps in the backporting. | |
| 23:55 | hayley | I'm not sure I totally understand |
| 23:56 | what do you mean by a gap? | |
| 23:59 | tuxayo | If I would have started my maintenance only after the latest release v19.11.06. |
| 23:59 | I would not have went through between 12 and 8 tickets compared to looking at the latest backport in 19.05.x, find it in 19.11.x, and begin from here. |
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