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| 00:01 | tuxayo | > CPAN is a bit of the wild west |
| 00:01 | > There's no QA | |
| 00:01 | That might not be a problem if we follow the cpanfile right? | |
| 00:02 | > I figure inertia will carry us forward on the same path that we've been on for a long time | |
| 00:02 | If it's reachable to maintain a support with Carton rather than packages, could it become a second major way to installing Koha? In parallel with package install on Debian based systems. | |
| 00:03 | dcook | Well, we're still banking on the CPAN versions being good. The Koha community isn't going to audit each CPAN module I reckon. |
| 00:03 | Mmm maybe but there's limited community resources. If someone wanted to support a Carton method, there would be no stopping them though. And if it did become useful, then I'm sure it would evolve. | |
| 00:04 | At the moment, I think there are still some obstacles, as even in Plack some scripts have to go via CGI | |
| 00:04 | Until Bug 22417 is finished | |
| 00:04 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Delegate background jobs execution |
| 00:04 | dcook | Which I'm commenting on as I'm doing some work related to it heh |
| 00:06 | tuxayo | > At the moment, I think there are still some obstacles, as even in Plack some scripts have to go via CGI |
| 00:06 | Thanks, that's help setting directions on what to work on this topic ^^ | |
| 00:07 | dcook | Oh that reminds me... |
| 00:07 | tuxayo: You used to be at BibLibre but now are independent? Can you speak more to that? Happy to do private message if you don't want to talk about it on the public channel | |
| 00:08 | tuxayo | I will do with pleasure, after a call. |
| 00:09 | dcook | Great :) |
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| 01:11 | tuxayo | dcook: still around? I think have some time before random IRL requires me to disconnect again. |
| 01:11 | dcook | Sure. It's only 11:11am here heh |
| 01:11 | tuxayo: ^ | |
| 01:12 | tuxayo | $ zdump NZ |
| 01:12 | NZ Thu Jun 4 13:12:04 2020 NZST | |
| 01:12 | am i getting the time for NZ? | |
| 01:12 | Oh wait | |
| 01:12 | Australia | |
| 01:13 | dcook | :D |
| 01:14 | So yeah just curious how being independent works | |
| 01:14 | I recall Jonathan getting funding from BibLibre and ByWater? Is it like that? | |
| 01:14 | tuxayo | > You used to be at BibLibre but now are independent? Can you speak more to that? Happy to do private message if you don't want to talk about it on the public channel |
| 01:15 | By default I'm talking about that here if case someone else has feedback. | |
| 01:16 | > So yeah just curious how being independent works | |
| 01:16 | For now for me it's the french public unemployment insurance that makes it work ^^ | |
| 01:16 | I will hopefully be able to change that. | |
| 01:16 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]nity_work/Funding | |
| 01:17 | > I recall Jonathan getting funding from BibLibre and ByWater? Is it like that? | |
| 01:17 | 1/3 BibLibre, ByWater, PTFS-E | |
| 01:20 | The idea is to work on community stuff were I can be effective. I brainstormed in a "guidelines" page. | |
| 01:20 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]yo/Community_work | |
| 01:20 | I should rework it to make it more clear as things are becoming concrete. | |
| 01:21 | And speaking of concrete I'm trying to make reports of community work. | |
| 01:21 | dcook | Ahhh ok. Good to know! |
| 01:22 | It's been good seeing how active you are | |
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| 01:23 | tuxayo | The idea is that a support company, library committed to the project or a user group could assess the value of the work done. |
| 01:23 | Enough to them fund it. | |
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| 01:24 | dcook | Sounds interesting! |
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| 01:26 | tuxayo | > It's been good seeing how active you are |
| 01:26 | The last month with the release caused a focus on signing off which was very visible. | |
| 01:26 | I hope that the value of RMaint and UI tests writing can similarly "felt" | |
| 01:26 | *similarly be "felt" | |
| 01:26 | dcook | It's a good question |
| 01:27 | tuxayo | Because I think that's has more value and I hope to mostly do that. |
| 01:28 | And of course with tasks picked randomly from the needs. | |
| 01:28 | But these will be concrete enough, I'm not worried about that. | |
| 01:30 | In the long run I see the following: one chunk of RMaint, one chunk of UI tests (new or maintenance), one chunk of signoffs and one of diverse stuff. | |
| 01:31 | > one chunk of signoffs | |
| 01:31 | On tricky stuff like with painful setup. (LDAP, shiboleth, CAS, and other technical patches) | |
| 01:34 | And maybe also librarian stuff that is though/long to test. I might need to find a volunteer for the library stuff and show stuff with screensharing. Pairing signoffs could be fun ^^ | |
| 01:35 | I'm thinking for example about the revamped circulation rules UI. That kind of patch that might struggle to get tested. | |
| 01:39 | dcook | Yeah that's true |
| 01:40 | It's a tough one. I think client hosting, support, and training is where vendors get their income. | |
| 01:40 | Development, testing, and management is tougher to monetize I think | |
| 01:40 | Less so development I suppose, but it can still be risky | |
| 01:41 | Like right now I'm doing some RabbitMQ work but I'm not generating income for it directly. It's mostly to improve some local customizations that we've created over time for support purposes... | |
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| 01:48 | tuxayo | > tougher to monetize I think |
| 01:48 | Indeed, do you know any other source than vendors, user groups and libraries active in the community to fund community work? | |
| 01:50 | I hope that this pattern of funded community work could be applied to any software project that and a large enough quantities of full time workers on it. | |
| 01:50 | Like enough support companies with enough people. | |
| 01:51 | And I hope that Koha is large enough for at least Jonathan full time and me part time ^^ | |
| 01:53 | When we try to think about the number of full time librarian whole main digital tool is Koha it should be obviously doable. But things aren't that simple. | |
| 01:56 | In between, there is a saturated marked for software, so not a lot of margin to fund maintenance and indirect tasks like signoffs and RMaint and RM and QA. | |
| 01:57 | > a saturated marked for software | |
| 01:57 | And other things I don't know | |
| 01:59 | dcook | Yeah I think that's the thing |
| 01:59 | I'm actually often curious about other vendors and their product sets... | |
| 01:59 | Like I support Koha, DSpace, and a tonne of other apps for other clients | |
| 01:59 | I'm not 100% on Koha (although years ago I used to just do Koha and a it of Dspace) | |
| 02:00 | Part of the cost of having lots of skills heh | |
| 02:03 | * tuxayo | is AFK again |
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| 03:05 | tuxayo | Thanks for insight dcook , have a nice day :) |
| 03:05 | dcook | No worries |
| 03:06 | Btw what's your new email address? | |
| 03:06 | Tried CCing you into an email about changing koha-* scripts into systemd unit files | |
| 03:06 | But I only had your Biblibre email | |
| 03:06 | tuxayo | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Contact#Via_email |
| 03:07 | Indeed I'm not reachable by that email anymore ^^ | |
| 03:07 | I should ask if I got some interesting emails. Like the one you mentioned! | |
| 03:08 | dcook | Well this one bounced |
| 03:09 | tuxayo | I was only meant to be remain active for sometime, I guess that time passed. |
| 03:09 | Actually it's good that it bounces! | |
| 03:10 | *It was | |
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| 04:06 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #231: STILL FAILING in 1 min 5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D8/231/ |
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| 04:58 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 04:58 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 04:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #225: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D9/225/ |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:53 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 07:38 | Null404 | hi all |
| 07:39 | cait1 | good morning #koha |
| 07:41 | Null404 | cait1: I think I found a problem with translation: every time when I get: sudo koha-translate pl-PL -u I got .po files for Koha 18.05, but on main system I got 18.11 on test one 19.11 and these two have .po for 18.05 |
| 07:42 | and on 18.05 this one https://translate.koha-communi[…]ld&sfields=source,target&unit=12516646&offset=0 was fuzzy and untraslated | |
| 07:43 | and to fix it I need to download new .po to /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po catalog | |
| 07:51 | Joubu | tcohen: you should have added that we don't really support newer version of DBMS because of strict mode. Focus should be on that if we start to deprecate things. |
| 07:51 | I mean, we support it, not "out of the box". We trick to make it work | |
| 07:51 | and hi #koha | |
| 07:52 | cait1 | Null404: I am not sure I am following |
| 07:52 | the po files will update using the templates in your sysem | |
| 07:52 | they don't know about versions really | |
| 07:52 | the -u doesn't download anything, it just uses what is in oyur system and compares to the templates there | |
| 07:52 | if your versions don't match between test/production etc that will lead to inconsistencies | |
| 07:54 | ashimema | @later tell dcook I'm also keen to move us slowly towards cpan and carton.. but haven't worked out how to do it in a community friendly fashion yet.. packages do win us lots of convenience for end users. |
| 07:54 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:55 | ashimema | @later tell dcook.. ptfs-e, bywater and biblibre all support Joubu equally I believe.. the hope was that others would come on board but that's never happened :(.. we don't pay enough between us to match 5 days full time pay.. I think. |
| 07:55 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:56 | ashimema | @later tell tcohen.. did the cpan deps build get the chop on Jenkins.. I thought it was a helpful one to run monthly to see if recent cpan module versions would break Koha and give us a heads up on what we may need to fix around the corner. |
| 07:56 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:57 | ashimema | @later tell tuxayo.. I'd be interested to know if you've thought about going after grants as apposed to trying to get funded by vendors and libraries themselves.. I've often thought we should do more of that as a community. |
| 07:57 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:58 | ashimema | @later tell dcook.. systemd unit files for koha scripts sound great and have been on my list of interest but no time for a while now... also interested in looking at using systemd units as an alternative to at least some of our cron jobs |
| 07:58 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:58 | ashimema | lots of catching up this morning.. lol |
| 07:58 | poor huginn | |
| 08:00 | `Optionally you can add CPAN=1 to pull the latest versions of perl dependancies directly from cpan` | |
| 08:00 | koha-testing-docker is already set up to allow a full cpan deployment | |
| 08:02 | * cait1 | lost track and hopes for the weekend and some quiet :) |
| 08:02 | ashimema | lol |
| 08:03 | * ashimema | grabs some breakfast |
| 08:06 | Null404 | hm.. |
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| 08:43 | kohaputti | I created bug 25673 for the borrower detail viewing log thingie |
| 08:44 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Access logging of borrower's personal information |
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| 09:16 | TimothyAlexis | Hello, I'm looking at adding New Patron (memberentry.pl). When saving the record while there are missing, required details, the page will automatically scroll down. |
| 09:17 | Here is an example: http://koha.adminkuhn.ch:8080/[…]dd&categorycode=K | |
| 09:17 | login/password = demo/demo | |
| 09:18 | Joubu | yes, what's the question? :) |
| 09:18 | TimothyAlexis | Fill in Surname and click Save to see that it scrolls down for "Card Number" to be just outside of view. |
| 09:20 | Joubu | does it happen even when the warning on cardnumber is not there? |
| 09:20 | TimothyAlexis | What do you mean? |
| 09:20 | Joubu | "AutoMemberNum is set to enabled, but cardnumber is marked as mandatory in BorrowerMandatoryField: auto calc has been disabled. " |
| 09:21 | this warning does not appear usually, unless you have a config issue | |
| 09:22 | TimothyAlexis | Where are you seeing htat? :D |
| 09:22 | that* | |
| 09:22 | Oh I see | |
| 09:22 | Joubu | under the cardnumber input |
| 09:22 | TimothyAlexis: the problem is that language bar | |
| 09:23 | locally I don't get the warning, and no language selection bar | |
| 09:23 | and so I see it | |
| 09:23 | well, it is at the very bottom, not super convenient, but at least it is visible | |
| 09:24 | TimothyAlexis | Yeah I think it should scroll down so that the error is clearly in view. |
| 09:25 | When I'm looking at the code this seems to be the standard in jQuery though. | |
| 09:25 | Joubu | https://jqueryvalidation.org/validate/ |
| 09:25 | search for focusInvalid | |
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| 09:25 | Joubu | I don't see it in our code |
| 09:26 | koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/js/members.js | |
| 09:26 | 328 $("#entryform").validate({ | |
| 09:26 | but maybe there is another parameter in the doc | |
| 09:26 | or I am sure you will find something on stackoverflow :) | |
| 09:26 | hope that give you some tracks to investigate | |
| 09:27 | TimothyAlexis | Well |
| 09:27 | Hmm | |
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| 09:27 | TimothyAlexis | am I correct in the conclusion that this behavior is part of jQuery? |
| 09:28 | Joubu | it's the jQuery "validate" plugin, yes |
| 09:28 | TimothyAlexis | So if I want to change this, it needs to be modified in there... |
| 09:29 | Joubu | I see 2 possible solutions: 1. teach it that there is a bar at the bottom, or 2. focus on the mandatory fields but position it at the top of the screen |
| 09:31 | maybe https://jqueryvalidation.org/v[…]e/#errorplacement | |
| 09:32 | TimothyAlexis | Could I add this customization to the .pl file to override the default valdation? |
| 09:33 | to the .tt file, sorry... | |
| 09:34 | I'll try it ;) Thank you Joubu | |
| 09:44 | Joubu | TimothyAlexis: in the .js file |
| 09:44 | members.js | |
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| 10:44 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:23 | TimothyAlexis | What I've come to is that there is an invalidHandler |
| 11:23 | Thank you Joubo for showing it happens in members.js | |
| 11:23 | I found the $("#entryform").validate({ there | |
| 11:27 | I got it working in JSFiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/213sg845/ | |
| 11:27 | But it won't happen in Koha :/ | |
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| 11:35 | oleonard | TimothyAlexis: Your goal is to ensure that the focused invalid field isn't hidden by the floating toolbar? |
| 11:36 | TimothyAlexis | oleonard: Well I want it to scroll more too. |
| 11:36 | oleonard | More? |
| 11:36 | TimothyAlexis | Currently it scrolls so that the field is just visible at the bottom. |
| 11:36 | Which is why it's hidden by the floating toolbar. | |
| 11:38 | With scrollTop: $(validator.errorList[0].element).offset().top + 50 the view can scroll another 50 pixels | |
| 11:39 | oleonard | Your JSFiddle code works well for me in members.js if I change "top - 20" to "top - 60" |
| 11:42 | TimothyAlexis | hmm |
| 11:42 | Can you paste it? Maybe I have done some minor thing which I will be able to see. | |
| 11:43 | oleonard | Sure |
| 11:44 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "modified members.js" (394 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/21717 |
| 11:47 | TimothyAlexis | hmm this is very strange |
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| 11:51 | TimothyAlexis | *scratches head* |
| 11:51 | I'm gonna go for a walk. | |
| 11:52 | For me it simply does the same thing as before :/ | |
| 11:53 | oleonard | TimothyAlexis are you sure it's not a browser cacheing issue? |
| 11:54 | TimothyAlexis | I thought about it... |
| 11:57 | I tried clearing the cache and website data and it's the same. | |
| 11:58 | Even when I only add the focusInvalid: false, | |
| 11:58 | oleonard | What exactly are you seeing. What's going wrong? |
| 12:00 | TimothyAlexis | This is what my first 3 lines are for that function |
| 12:00 | $("#entryform").validate({ | |
| 12:00 | focusInvalid: false, | |
| 12:00 | rules: { | |
| 12:00 | I have removed the invalidHandler function | |
| 12:01 | So I'm expecting it to not focus | |
| 12:01 | When I fill out the form and leave a Required field which is outside of view empty, it scrolls to that one. | |
| 12:01 | Which is very surprising to me. | |
| 12:02 | oleonard | You're expecting it not to scroll? |
| 12:03 | TimothyAlexis | Exactly |
| 12:03 | Like here: http://jsfiddle.net/213sg845/2/ | |
| 12:05 | oleonard | I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish. |
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| 12:11 | TimothyAlexis | The goal I'm trying to reach in this instance is to scroll so that the field which has an error is clearly shown on screen. Preferrably at the Golden Section which is about 40% from the top. |
| 12:12 | The problem is more evident in the actual page we have, because we have multiple required fields. | |
| 12:13 | When the e-mail is not filled out for example, it scrolls so that it looks like the borrowernumber is what needs to be corrected, which becomes very puzzling. | |
| 12:14 | oleonard | When you tested the members.js file I pasted what aspect of the process didn't work? |
| 12:15 | TimothyAlexis | The exact same behavior as before happens. |
| 12:16 | I'm sorry, it would be easier if I could show you the actual page but it is prevented by a firewall which I am unable to access. | |
| 12:17 | It seems like changes I make in members.js don't follow through. | |
| 12:19 | Joubu | TimothyAlexis: open a bug report and attach the patch you are testing |
| 12:19 | we will try it and see if it works as it should or not | |
| 12:22 | TimothyAlexis | I'm gonna go for a walk, I need a pause from this. There are very few things that get to me like when I'm doing something ridiculously simple and it doesn't work. Whenever that happens there's usually something I'm missing. |
| 12:22 | I'm sorry for having taken up your time with this. | |
| 12:23 | Joubu | it happens to all of us, daily :) |
| 12:24 | TimothyAlexis | Thank you Joubu. |
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| 13:03 | tuxayo | hi o/ |
| 13:10 | > I'd be interested to know if you've thought about going after grants | |
| 13:10 | ashimema External grants? That's a nice way to explore, thanks for the idea. | |
| 13:14 | Joubu | tuxayo: any news on bug 18974? |
| 13:14 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor, ASSIGNED , Cataloging MARC21 record and adding item selenium test |
| 13:15 | TimothyAlexis | Aha! |
| 13:16 | Someone had disabled the validation on our system. | |
| 13:17 | Joubu | oleonard: bug 25658 - this icon is in our repo? |
| 13:17 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25658 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Print icon sometimes obscures patron barcode |
| 13:17 | TimothyAlexis | <form name="form" id="entryform" action="/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl" method="post" autocomplete="off" class="toggler" novalidate="novalidate"> |
| 13:22 | Ok no that's standard... so where is this validated then? :/ | |
| 13:23 | I'm done for today. Perhaps I will solve this tomorrow. Thank you guys for taking your time to try and help get this sorted. | |
| 13:23 | tuxayo | Joubu: Now that the release has passed I should work on the tests. |
| 13:23 | Thanks for reminder, I was focusing on addressing only notifications from other bugs but I should not only do that. | |
| 13:23 | That might delay too much going back to tests. | |
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| 13:35 | oleonard | Joubu: It's a Font Awesome icon |
| 13:38 | Joubu | is there a setting to display it? |
| 13:39 | oleonard | DisplayClearScreenButton preference |
| 13:41 | Joubu | coming from 3.01.00.044, whaou it's a dinosaur! |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Yeah I tend to forget about it too because I always have it turned off |
| 13:44 | cait1 | i believe the print icon is a more recent addition von cbrannon |
| 13:46 | Joubu | I am really sad to learn we have sysprefs to display icons |
| 13:50 | cait1 | it's about the functionality too |
| 13:51 | wizzyrea | ^ what she said |
| 13:51 | it turns off the functionality | |
| 13:51 | Joubu | I should have added a smiley ;) |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 13:52 | Joubu | I am not literally crying |
| 13:53 | cait1 | good to know :) |
| 13:54 | Joubu | should not we remove the pref and have the icon displayed by default? |
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| 13:59 | oleonard | Some libraries want it, some don't... thus a pref |
| 14:02 | Joubu | yes maybe it's too much in the center of the screen to enable by default. |
| 14:02 | wizzyrea | are you going on a holy quest to eliminate sysprefs? |
| 14:04 | Joubu | nope, but I either completely forgot the existence of this pref, or never heard about it. I am destabilise to know I have spent so many time without being aware of its existence. |
| 14:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #1: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D10_Deps/1/ |
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| 14:54 | Michael_A | Hi everyone, quick question: I'm a new administrator and I'm trying to figure out where secondary and tertiary ("emailpro" and "B_email") are configured in Koha. |
| 14:54 | We have several accounts that have these fields, but they are no longer accessible through the "Edit" function on a patron's account | |
| 14:57 | tuxayo | Michael_A: hi, maybe the BorrowerUnwantedField system preference contains them? |
| 14:57 | cait1 | Michael_A: check your system preference borrowersunwanted |
| 14:57 | yes that | |
| 14:57 | they are probably hidden from display | |
| 15:00 | Michael_A | Bingo, thanks! |
| 15:00 | Is there a way to clear these out in a batch, or would they need to be displayed, cleared out individually, and then hidden again? | |
| 15:01 | cait1 | these fields are not available in the batch patron edit i think, so sql would be easiest |
| 15:01 | or display... clean and hide | |
| 15:06 | Michael_A | Got it. Thanks! |
| 15:16 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:28 | * ashimema | yawns |
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| 15:29 | ashimema | think I'll skip the docs meeting tonight.. as much as I'd like to attend.. too many clashes |
| 15:44 | caroline | no problem ashimema, anything particular you wanted to say? |
| 15:44 | I saw you created the 20.05 branch | |
| 15:48 | ashimema | chris added it for us :) |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | joubu the current git server is nothing at all fancy - let me dig out the spec for you |
| 15:48 | ashimema | nothing to say really.. docs is on my list to get back to and I wanted to spend some time working through the developer pages on the wiki as my first step |
| 15:48 | make sure our onboarding and things it up to date and fill in any gaps | |
| 15:49 | caroline | good! |
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| 16:00 | magnuse | ashimema++ |
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| 16:57 | oleonard | Can someone please remind me what the recommended method is for having a custom gitignore? |
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| 17:11 | davidnind | For a project or system wide? For system wide I have a .gitignore in my home folder (there are other ways I think like a custom one for a specific repository but not actually in the project, but I stick with simple) |
| 17:24 | tcohen | oleonard slip the change in a big Bootstrap 4 migrating patchset |
| 17:25 | my 2 cents | |
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| 17:32 | tuxayo | > slip the change in a big Bootstrap 4 migrating patchset |
| 17:32 | What are you plotting? :P | |
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| 17:46 | oleonard | tuxayo I'm not plotting anything, I just want to be able to ignore translated template directories in my dev environment |
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| 17:54 | tuxayo | Good idea |
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| 18:15 | oleonard | cait around? |
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| 18:19 | * oleonard | posted his question to Bug 25469 |
| 18:19 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Typo: Item does not belongs to your library |
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| 19:00 | davidnind | Hello documentation people! |
| 19:00 | Marie-Luce | Hi |
| 19:00 | wahanui | kia ora, Marie-Luce |
| 19:00 | Marie-Luce | Kia ora |
| 19:01 | davidnind | Hi Marie-Luce! |
| 19:01 | jzairo | hi! |
| 19:01 | davidnind | hi jzairo! |
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| 19:01 | jzairo | hi davidnind! |
| 19:02 | Marie-Luce | Hello everyone |
| 19:02 | kellym | hello ! |
| 19:02 | jzairo | hello! |
| 19:02 | davidnind | hi kellym! |
| 19:03 | kellym | hello @davidnind |
| 19:03 | gosh IRC commands are easily forgotten | |
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| 19:03 | davidnind | are you used to using slack? |
| 19:03 | kellym | yes! |
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| 19:04 | davidnind | we should probably start the meeting... |
| 19:04 | caroline | hi sorry I'm late! |
| 19:04 | jzairo | hi! |
| 19:04 | caroline | david you want to chair? |
| 19:05 | davidnind | Happy to, with your assistance of course! |
| 19:05 | caroline | yup! |
| 19:05 | davidnind | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020 |
| 19:05 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 19:05:35 2020 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:05 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 19:05 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_4_june_2020' |
| 19:05 | davidnind | #chair caroline |
| 19:05 | huginn | Current chairs: caroline davidnind |
| 19:06 | davidnind | #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_4_June_2020 |
| 19:06 | #topic Introductions | |
| 19:06 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 19:06 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 19:06 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro |
| 19:06 | jzairo | #info Jessica Zairo, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:06 | Marie-Luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro Montreal |
| 19:06 | DonnaB | #info Donna Bachowski, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:06 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott ByWaters Solutions |
| 19:07 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 19:07 | davidnind | It's nice to have so many attendees! |
| 19:08 | I think that is everyone... | |
| 19:08 | #topic Review of action points | |
| 19:08 | Topic for #koha is now Review of action points (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 19:09 | davidnind | From what I can see (only looked briefly)... |
| 19:09 | caroline has been busy adding tasks to Taiga.io | |
| 19:09 | caroline++ | |
| 19:09 | caroline | yes I went through the last version of the release notes and added enhancements and new features to taiga |
| 19:10 | it's a bit overwhelming tbh | |
| 19:10 | the devs are doing so much! (which is good!) | |
| 19:10 | davidnind | yeah, it's always where do we start! |
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| 19:11 | caroline | Anyway, now that we're a whole bunch, feel free to go and pick something to do in https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]hadocs-1805/epics |
| 19:11 | #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]hadocs-1805/epics | |
| 19:11 | davidnind | the manual has been updated for 20.11 (thanks Chris!) - so master is now 20.11 |
| 19:11 | caroline | #info check taiga for things to add to the manual |
| 19:12 | davidnind | Does everyone have an account on Taiga.io? If not we should add you. |
| 19:12 | kellym | I was unable to assign myself something in taiga |
| 19:13 | I have a login and can see tasks, but can’t assign myself. | |
| 19:13 | caroline | I don't see you in the "Team" section, maybe that's why |
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| 19:14 | kellym | My assumption is that either I don’t have the correct permissions? or I am doing it wrong, but if I choose a module and click on a subtask where it says unassigned, it does nothing. |
| 19:14 | DonnaB | I don't think I have an account |
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| 19:15 | davidnind | #action add kellym and DonnaB to Taiga.io |
| 19:15 | caroline | I can't remember how to add someone to the team -_-;; |
| 19:15 | kellym | Also, is there someway that I can find out what I did wrong in my last submission? Who do I go to for this? I was adding something, got a denied alert and then I am not sure my next steps |
| 19:16 | caroline | Can you send me or davidnind a screenshot? |
| 19:16 | davidnind | was that for a merge request? |
| 19:17 | kellym | I emailed you caroline a few weeks ago, but hadn’t heard back. But I can definitely do that again! |
| 19:18 | caroline | I'm so sorry! Sometimes I read emails and then forget about responding... Definitely email back if I don't respond |
| 19:18 | davidnind | I can have a look after the meeting and try and sort things out, if that would suit? |
| 19:18 | kellym | Cool - and no worries, I know things are busy! |
| 19:19 | davidnind | I think I jumped ahead in the agenda to what's been done so far... |
| 19:19 | so we may as well do that now and then go back.. | |
| 19:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #318: NOW UNSTABLE in 5 hr 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/318/ |
| 19:20 | davidnind | actually (sorry my chairing isn't that great today!), will stay with action points |
| 19:21 | caroline | davidnind want to talk about themes? |
| 19:21 | #link https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]14#note_355587232 | |
| 19:21 | #link https://davidnind.gitlab.io/test-themes/ | |
| 19:22 | davidnind | under project updates |
| 19:22 | caroline | right sorry, I thought we were in projects... |
| 19:22 | davidnind | #topic Project updates |
| 19:22 | Topic for #koha is now Project updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 19:22 | davidnind | I have been experimenting with themes - see issue and link above |
| 19:23 | If anyone has nay comments, that would be great | |
| 19:23 | jzairo | I like this theme https://davidnind.gitlab.io/test-themes/p-green/ |
| 19:23 | I like how the headings stand out | |
| 19:23 | screenshots look clear | |
| 19:23 | davidnind | I was trying to aim for keeping it simple and clean, with a bit of enhancement |
| 19:24 | jzairo | I really like it, simple and clean |
| 19:24 | davidnind | thanks jzairo! |
| 19:24 | jzairo | davidnind++ |
| 19:24 | ashimema | davidnind++ |
| 19:24 | Looks nice. | |
| 19:24 | Marie-Luce | davidnind++ |
| 19:24 | kellym | I like that the page of contents stays! |
| 19:25 | davidnind++ | |
| 19:25 | davidnind | I would like to change the landing page so that is something like https://docs.python.org/3/ - provides for links to tutorials and specific guides |
| 19:25 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 19:25 | DonnaB | I like that one too, my only concern is the color - |
| 19:26 | caroline | DonnaB how do you mean? |
| 19:26 | DonnaB | https://davidnind.gitlab.io/test-themes/p-green/ can the color be something other than green? for accessbility purposes |
| 19:26 | I've been told that green is bad for folks with color blindness | |
| 19:27 | davidnind | the colours can be changed |
| 19:27 | caroline | I liked the green b/c Koha is green, but if it's not accessible, then it's not great |
| 19:27 | DonnaB | we just need to have brendan take a look and let us know if it works for him :-) |
| 19:28 | davidnind | originally I think the idea was to match the Koha theme as much as possible |
| 19:29 | how do we decide on what theme to use? I quite like the RTD theme as well... | |
| 19:29 | caroline | bag around? |
| 19:29 | kellym | maybe the green could be more of an accent color than a main color, so if someone can’t see it well, they are not missing the content of what the green is on. |
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| 19:29 | caroline | I would veto this one https://davidnind.gitlab.io/te[…]xbootstrap4theme/ |
| 19:29 | just because the sidebar is behaving weird | |
| 19:30 | davidnind | me too - I was quite keen initially to have a bootstrap theme, but I think the one there would need a bot of work |
| 19:30 | kellym | I like the side bar of that one! |
| 19:30 | caroline | My faverite is this onw https://davidnind.gitlab.io/te[…]sphinx-rtd-theme/ |
| 19:30 | davidnind | then there were three! |
| 19:31 | Marie-Luce | me too, I like the highlight in the content sidebar of the sphinx-rtd-theme |
| 19:32 | caroline | are we enough to vote, do you think? |
| 19:32 | davidnind | So down to the RTD and PShinxTheme (with colour changes and customisations) (I didn't do any tweaking of the theme settings) |
| 19:32 | DonnaB | I say yes! |
| 19:32 | kellym | I like that one too, we had something like that before I believe |
| 19:33 | caroline | the translated manuals have this theme https://translate.koha-communi[…]A/html/index.html |
| 19:33 | davidnind | The RTD theme is used on th etranslation site |
| 19:33 | DonnaB | just noticed the green one doesn't have the side bar, so I would switch my vote to RTD |
| 19:34 | davidnind | trying to find how to vote commands.. I don't think we've ever voted on anything before! |
| 19:34 | kellym | yes I like the translation one best |
| 19:34 | davidnind | all the themes can be customised to some extent.. |
| 19:35 | tuxayo | davidnind: example: http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]0-06-03#i_2254844 |
| 19:36 | davidnind | #startvote Which theme should be change to? rtd,phtyon,pshinx |
| 19:36 | huginn | Begin voting on: Which theme should be change to? Valid vote options are rtd, phtyon, pshinx. |
| 19:36 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 19:36 | DonnaB | #vote rtd |
| 19:37 | caroline | #vote rtd |
| 19:37 | davidnind | #vote rtd |
| 19:37 | jzairo | #vote rtd |
| 19:37 | Marie-Luce | #vote rtd |
| 19:37 | davidnind | (although I like the phython one as well) |
| 19:38 | jzairo | rtd has the best features |
| 19:38 | davidnind | #endvote |
| 19:38 | huginn | Voted on "Which theme should be change to?" Results are |
| 19:38 | rtd (5): jzairo, davidnind, caroline, DonnaB, Marie-Luce | |
| 19:39 | davidnind | I'll work on this further and make the change for master (which is now 20.11) |
| 19:39 | tuxayo | davidnind++ |
| 19:39 | DonnaB | excellent! thanks david! |
| 19:39 | kellym | #vote rtd |
| 19:39 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 19:39 | Marie-Luce | nice work! |
| 19:39 | kellym | sorry got distracted! |
| 19:39 | davidnind++ | |
| 19:40 | will this change how documentation is done/process? | |
| 19:40 | Marie-Luce | davidind++ |
| 19:40 | davidnind | # davidnind to update the theme for master to sphinx-rtd-theme |
| 19:40 | caroline | you forgot action |
| 19:40 | davidnind | no change to how the documentation is done at this stage |
| 19:40 | #action davidnind to update the theme for master to sphinx-rtd-theme | |
| 19:41 | it wasn't deliberate...:) | |
| 19:41 | ashimema | Awesome |
| 19:41 | * ashimema | is lurking |
| 19:41 | caroline | haha I know! |
| 19:41 | davidnind | I have no updates for my other projects... https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ists_and_projects |
| 19:42 | caroline | Me either... actually I will remove my name from reviewing acquisitions |
| 19:42 | davidnind | I know work is being done on the wiki updgrade, so I think that is getting closer |
| 19:42 | caroline | I've been working on the index |
| 19:42 | I have like less than 10 terms, but still... | |
| 19:43 | Marie-Luce | sorry...I was not able to check the documentation bugs |
| 19:43 | davidnind | got to start somewhere... |
| 19:44 | caroline | you'd think with libraries closed we'd have less work, but it doesn't work like that haha! |
| 19:45 | davidnind | Should we add projects as GitLab issues (where they are not content related) - I find it relatively easier to keep track of things on GitLab |
| 19:45 | caroline | sure I donm't mind either way |
| 19:45 | with gitlab at least we get notifications :) | |
| 19:47 | davidnind | #info Add projects (non-content related) as issues in GitLab (preference up to person project assigned to) |
| 19:48 | #topic What's been done so far | |
| 19:48 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 19:48 | davidnind | I think we have done some of this agenda item already |
| 19:48 | Anything else to add? | |
| 19:49 | caroline | I don't know about you, but I feel like action points, projects and what's been done is kind of the same thing? |
| 19:49 | davidnind | Should we merge for future agendas? |
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| 19:50 | caroline | I feel like yeah, what about you? |
| 19:50 | Marie-Luce | I will start checking those documentation bugs |
| 19:51 | davidnind | That would be fine with me |
| 19:51 | Marie-Luce++ | |
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| 19:51 | davidnind | Apart from the latest merge request, everything that has come through has been merged |
| 19:52 | #topic Content development guidelines | |
| 19:52 | Topic for #koha is now Content development guidelines (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 19:52 | caroline | thanks davidnind++ for merging |
| 19:52 | davidnind | no problem! |
| 19:53 | shall we defer my point about using contractions, as I'm conscious we've nearly been going for an hour! | |
| 19:54 | caroline | also maybe wait for when cait is there, more translation opinions |
| 19:55 | davidnind | okay, we'll defer |
| 19:55 | For priorities, have you got anything to add caroline? | |
| 19:55 | Pick something and work on it - ideally new system preferences and features | |
| 19:55 | caroline | yup that's pretty much it! |
| 19:56 | davidnind | :) |
| 19:56 | caroline | I don't think there's much that has been pushed for 20.11, so work on 20.05 |
| 19:56 | there's a lot to do | |
| 19:56 | davidnind | yes, very overwhelming! |
| 19:57 | I'm conscious that we have several new people on the team | |
| 19:58 | There was a great session with jzairo via koha-US in May | |
| 19:58 | Marie-Luce | I'm may need some coaching |
| 19:58 | davidnind | is there any interest in having hands on sessions, via Zoom or Jitsi? |
| 19:59 | caroline | good idea! |
| 19:59 | davidnind | I'm happy to do something, even if it is a Q&A sessions - like, how do I do XYZ, basic git workflow commands, etc. |
| 19:59 | Marie-Luce | that would be awesome |
| 19:59 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 19:59 | davidnind | It can be a bit daunting figuring things out until you have a bit of a workflow going |
| 20:00 | would be pretty informal, and I can't promise I have all the answers | |
| 20:00 | Marie-Luce | any tips would be greatly appreciated |
| 20:00 | DonnaB | I'd be happy to set up a Zoom if that would work |
| 20:01 | davidnind | #action davidnind to organise a 'drop in session(s)' on how to contribute to the documentation |
| 20:01 | thanks DonnaB | |
| 20:02 | does around this time suit, maybe on the equivalent of everyone's Friday's for maybe 1/2 an hour over the next 2-3 weeks? | |
| 20:03 | caroline | isn't our friday afternoon your saturday morning? |
| 20:03 | Are you ok with that? | |
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| 20:03 | davidnind | I'm okay with that |
| 20:04 | DonnaB | so the first one would be what date/time in UTC? |
| 20:06 | davidnind | How about next Friday 12 June 2020, 19:00 UTC? Will try Jitsi for the first one, can move to Zoom if we have problems. |
| 20:07 | DonnaB | sounds good to me! |
| 20:07 | davidnind | will send something to the mailing list, and happy to do any one-on-one sessions |
| 20:07 | I can always talk to myself!:-D | |
| 20:07 | #topic Next meeting | |
| 20:07 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 June 2020) | |
| 20:07 | Marie-Luce | sounds good |
| 20:08 | davidnind | Does this time suit everyone? |
| 20:08 | caroline | ok for me |
| 20:08 | DonnaB | ok for me! |
| 20:09 | davidnind | #info Next meeting: 2 July 2020, 19:00 UTC |
| 20:09 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:09 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:09 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 20:09:53 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:09 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-04-19.05.html | |
| 20:09 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]0-06-04-19.05.txt | |
| 20:09 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]04-19.05.log.html | |
| 20:10 | caroline | davidnind++ thanks for chairing! |
| 20:10 | davidnind | Thanks everyone, sorry it dragged on a bit! |
| 20:10 | DonnaB | thanks all! |
| 20:10 | tuxayo | > happy to do any one-on-one sessions |
| 20:10 | These are the kind of things I could help also. | |
| 20:10 | Not documentation but for stuff like setting up a KohaDevBox, using sandboxes, how to signoff patches. | |
| 20:10 | And for pair-signing off for patches that are too technical (or just too scary to take alone!) | |
| 20:11 | Marie-Luce | davidnind++ thanks david |
| 20:11 | tuxayo | Just hook me up on IRC, happy to help and to learn library stuff also! |
| 20:11 | davidnind++ | |
| 20:11 | davidnind | everything eventually comes back to documentation... |
| 20:12 | thanks DonnaB | |
| 20:13 | tuxayo | BTW, what's the place to contact the documentation team between two meeting? |
| 20:13 | Like there the mailing list koha-devel to bring development topic between meetings. | |
| 20:14 | cait | there is koha-docs, bu tit doesn't appear to be used much :) |
| 20:14 | * cait | waves and apologizes for missing the meeting |
| 20:15 | davidnind | racking my brain, I think you just add their email address and they will get an invite if they don't have a Taiga.io account |
| 20:16 | I think you just add their email address, they will then get an invite if they don't have a Taiga.io account. | |
| 20:17 | caroline | ok I will try that |
| 20:17 | davidnind | sorry about the above ... please ignore! |
| 20:17 | caroline | I will ignore just 1 line :) |
| 20:17 | davidnind | any I'm not sure what has happened to my spelling today! |
| 20:17 | :) | |
| 20:19 | with more people, maybe the docs list will get a bit more use... otherwise posting to the general or developer list may work just as well | |
| 20:20 | caroline | I think it worked kellym and DonnaB are now team members :) |
| 20:20 | DonnaB | yup! I just got an email and am now a product owner. So fancy!!! |
| 20:20 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 20:21 | was just trying to find email addresses... | |
| 20:23 | caroline | bywater addresses are pretty simple |
| 20:24 | davidnind | I think they need to be added on GitLab as well as developers, otherwise they can't comment on issues |
| 20:24 | tuxayo | Thanks davidnind and cait, it's for documenting the system requirements about the OS and database. |
| 20:24 | I don't want to left someone out that would like to have a word in this. | |
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| 20:30 | DonnaB | thanks caroline/david - just got my email with access to Gitlab |
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| 20:32 | * oleonard | is happy his favorite documentation theme won the vote |
| 20:33 | cait | :) |
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| 21:02 | tuxayo | @later tell wizzyrea What is the first step to have an account on the website. (Related to RMaint) |
| 21:02 | huginn | tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:02 | tuxayo | *? |
| 21:02 | whoops | |
| 21:04 | tcohen: around? | |
| 21:04 | tcohen | yes |
| 21:05 | cait | tuxayo: asking wizzycray for it is the right thing |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea I mean | |
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| 21:06 | tuxayo | thanks! |
| 21:08 | tcohen: How does one use KOHA_ELASTICSEARCH=1 in koha-testing-docker? | |
| 21:08 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]43#note_352095727 | |
| 21:11 | tcohen | export KOHA_ELASTICSEARCH=1 |
| 21:11 | ? | |
| 21:11 | if it doesn't work for you please file an issue, and assign it to Joubu | |
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| 21:16 | tuxayo | > export KOHA_ELASTICSEARCH=1 |
| 21:16 | It didn't seems to work at the time. I'll retry. | |
| 21:16 | > if it doesn't work for you please file an issue, and assign it to Joubu | |
| 21:16 | Ok! (can't assign issues but I'll mention them, that will do) | |
| 21:17 | ashimema | Did you use an alias |
| 21:18 | The aliases dear by work nicely with additional exports on the line I believe.. I got caught by that at some point. | |
| 21:22 | tuxayo | ashimema: thanks, I'll try without alias |
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| 23:35 | * dcook | waves |
| 23:35 | dcook | Hmm I know ashimema sent me a few messages but only the first one is coming through.. |
| 23:35 | Ahh because he used ellipses | |
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| 23:54 | dcook | @later tell ashimema I have some thoughts on CPAN and Carton. I'll email the listserv about it. |
| 23:54 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:56 | dcook | @later tell ashimema I wonder which other vendors are big enough to come on board. Is Joubu a contractor for ptfs-e, bywater, and biblibre? |
| 23:56 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:56 | dcook | @later tell ashimema I'm happy to do some work on the systemd side of things. I find I end up doing it anyway just out of convenience. You can see one experimental I did at Bug 22417. |
| 23:56 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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