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| 00:48 | wizzyrea | 25% NO PUSHIES |
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| 00:51 | slim | Hello. I am trying to set up a kohadevbox but seem to be missing something. I am using Git Bash, Vagrant, and Virtualbox in Windows 10. I can spin up a kohadevbox, but it doesn't seem to have Koha or Apache installed. Any thoughts? |
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| 01:57 | wizzyrea | 90%! No Pushies! |
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| 02:31 | wizzyrea | All done! Push at your whim |
| 02:31 | final size-pack: 1.03 GiB | |
| 02:31 | 4.6G -> 1.03G | |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | wahanui | hey, reiveune |
| 06:47 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 06:55 | saa | is it possible to configure koha with nginx if yes can i get conf configuration |
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| 08:21 | enkidu | saa: yes, it is possible. |
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| 08:26 | ashimema | anyone fancy reminded me what the magic template syntx for linking bz bugs on the wiki is? |
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| 08:29 | cait | {{BZ|bugnumber}} |
| 08:29 | ashimema | ah, case sensative |
| 08:29 | ta | |
| 08:56 | saa | enkidu can u tell me how to configure |
| 08:56 | if u can share conf file | |
| 08:58 | enkidu | saa: what do you want to do exactly? do you want to use more than one server for Koha OPAC or Intranet? |
| 09:00 | saa | only one |
| 09:00 | with nginx configuration | |
| 09:00 | avoid apache2 | |
| 09:01 | enkidu | saa: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pment_Environment |
| 09:01 | There are some info there. You may also search nginx in wiki pages | |
| 09:02 | saa | i checked that |
| 09:03 | enkidu | It is not good, I think, I will put conf file in wiki today I hope. Please follow from wiki pagesé |
| 09:03 | pages! | |
| 09:05 | saa | pl |
| 09:06 | i wil check and it will be helpful | |
| 09:06 | thx in advance | |
| 09:08 | enkidu | But I have to find how to write an entry in wiki? After logged in, how can I start a new entry? |
| 09:09 | Does anyone help me? | |
| 09:10 | I found it! Thanks | |
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| 09:13 | saa | ok |
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| 09:28 | enkidu | saa: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]with_many_servers may work for you! |
| 09:30 | saa | thank you for quick help |
| 09:30 | will try and let u know | |
| 09:31 | enkidu | you are welcome |
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| 09:53 | magnuse | enkidu++ |
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| 10:16 | eythian | hi |
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| 10:44 | oleonard | o/ |
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| 11:18 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #156: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/156/ |
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| 11:41 | * oleonard | doesn't think the SelfCheckTimeout preference works... |
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| 14:25 | kohaputti | oh, the master version is missing logging of who accessed borrower information, we have that in KohaSuomi fork for GDPR reasons I guess. I couldn't find any bug report for this so I will probably create one myself. |
| 14:35 | cait | Not aware of one, but sounds sensible |
| 14:36 | maybe with a new logging pref? | |
| 14:40 | kohaputti | that's how it was implemented in KohaSuomi fork |
| 14:40 | I will submit tomorrow probably the report, ending work for today. | |
| 14:41 | Joubu | what kind of info? |
| 14:41 | you can access patron's info in lot of different ways | |
| 14:41 | like... reports? :) | |
| 14:44 | kohaputti | yes, I know, there is so many places where personal info is accessed from, the patch is huge! |
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| 14:47 | Joubu | kohaputti: I am wondering something. As we now have all the C4::Members methods moved to Koha::Patrons, maybe you could do something at lower level. Like when you access some attributes from the Koha::Patron object. |
| 14:47 | that would be more robust | |
| 14:48 | and smaller patch ;) | |
| 14:48 | ashimema | is there a dev meeting today? |
| 14:48 | kohaputti | right, getting the user from session and if that users accesses Patron accessor then log |
| 14:49 | Joubu | ashimema: one for South hemisphere! |
| 14:49 | ashimema | aha.. |
| 14:49 | 9pm uk time I by the looks | |
| 14:49 | hmm | |
| 14:49 | okies | |
| 14:50 | I added a topic to discuss and everything.. I'll try to make it. | |
| 14:50 | I feel we should be strongly discouraging mysql5.5 at this point | |
| 14:50 | anywho | |
| 14:50 | moving on :) | |
| 14:54 | wizzycray | you probably saw this in the backscroll but the gc is done and you can continue your normal pushing activities |
| 14:54 | ashimema | I totally missed that.. oops |
| 14:54 | :) | |
| 14:54 | how did it all go wizzycray? | |
| 14:54 | wizzycray | it seemed like it went fine |
| 14:54 | ashimema | cool 1.03 GB :) |
| 14:54 | much nicer | |
| 14:55 | wizzycray | 4.6G to 1.03 yea |
| 14:57 | Joubu | thanks wizzycray. Did you run a git count-objects before and after? |
| 14:57 | git count-objects -vH | |
| 14:58 | I don't understand why we have 1.03G when I got 755M 1 month ago | |
| 15:00 | ashimema | I bet git has got better at it and you were running a more recent git Joubu |
| 15:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:05 | wizzycray | yep |
| 15:10 | Joubu | wizzycray: could you comment on the mailing list (on the original topic) to let the world know? :) |
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| 15:11 | wizzycray | sure |
| 15:13 | Joubu | I am doing a git gc after a fresh clone. Just to compare. It's super sloooooow |
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| 15:25 | tuxayo | Joubu: `git gc --prune=now --aggressive` should take a few hours. |
| 15:26 | Joubu: cait did that a month ago on an existing repo, you can find the results here to compare: | |
| 15:26 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]story_after_clone | |
| 15:37 | dingo | Hi, I understand that you are familiar with setting up kohadevboxes. I have gotten to the point where vagrant is trying to run the ansible-playbook and I get: ERROR! vars file vars/defaults.yml was not found. vars/eefaults.yml was added as part of the clone of the kohadevbox repository though. My host is Windows 10 and I am using VirtualBox, Vagrant, and Git Bash. Thanks for your help! |
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| 15:46 | tuxayo | dingo: what do you get if you run `ls vars` |
| 15:47 | dingo | defaults.yml user.yml user.yml.sample |
| 15:49 | oleonard | dingo: For what it's worth, the last time I tried to get kohadevbox working on windows I had to use this process: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]2846p6062951.html |
| 15:49 | I don't know if it's related. | |
| 15:49 | I've had better luck with koha-testing-docker these days | |
| 15:53 | dingo | ok thank you |
| 15:54 | I'll try koha-testing-docker | |
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| 16:31 | wizzycray | ok sorry I had a meeting |
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| 16:39 | wizzycray | joubu I don't see a particular reason why that would be slow |
| 16:39 | also yes, the version of git is rather slow there | |
| 16:39 | and old | |
| 16:40 | another task I have is to put that on a modern OS/Git | |
| 16:40 | it's... cantankerous | |
| 16:42 | oleonard | same |
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| 16:53 | tuxayo | wizzycray: «I don't see a particular reason why that would be slow» |
| 16:53 | Even if the repo was already optimized, maybe `git gc --prune=now --aggressive` has to start over, | |
| 16:53 | that depends of how it works in details. | |
| 16:54 | wizzycray | start over? |
| 16:54 | it finished? | |
| 16:54 | Joubu was saying that a clone felt slow to him | |
| 16:54 | the gc is done :) | |
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| 17:02 | tuxayo | wizzyrea: «start over?» When one runs git gc, maybe it starts over and thus takes hours even on an optimized repo |
| 17:02 | > it finished? | |
| 17:02 | Yes, I was talking about the process in general, not our case on our git server. | |
| 17:04 | > Joubu was saying that a clone felt slow to him | |
| 17:04 | From what I understand, Joubu did a fresh a clone and ran a `git gc` to find out if they get the same size. What was slow was the `git gc` | |
| 17:09 | Does anyone know if in the automated tests we have a way to change the date? Because I have a test (t/db_dependent/Circulation.t) that failed every time yesterday but not anymore today. | |
| 17:09 | This was confirmed by changing the date of PC ^^" | |
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| 17:12 | wizzyrea | oh, cool thanks I was just really confused! |
| 17:12 | like wot | |
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| 17:22 | tcohen | hi all |
| 17:23 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 17:23 | tcohen | \o |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | hey tcohen o/ |
| 17:24 | tcohen | hi liz |
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| 17:24 | tuxayo | Ho, I just noticed that wizzycray is wizzyrea ^^ |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | oh, I do a bit of both :) |
| 17:25 | tuxayo | (I had only suspicions until now) |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | wizzycray is the one that takes over when IRC goes a bit spazzy |
| 17:26 | tuxayo | Good to know :) |
| 17:27 | lukeG1 | A bit of wizzyrea and a bit of wizzycray :) |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | :D yes that |
| 17:27 | wizzycray after some drinks | |
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| 17:46 | ashimema | tuxayo, If a test fails on a particular date that is a bug |
| 17:46 | tcohen | wizzyrea http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]a;date=2013-03-26 |
| 17:46 | ashimema | Either in code or in the test.. |
| 17:46 | tcohen | search for 'hug tcohen' |
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| 17:46 | tcohen | lest not forget |
| 17:47 | ashimema | Joubu and I have lots of experience fixing such bugs.. what test failed.. |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | HAHA |
| 17:47 | * oleonard | passes out free hugs to all |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | it's a cuddlestravaganza |
| 17:47 | tcohen | haha |
| 17:48 | * wizzyrea | is 2nd in the queue for handing out free hugs |
| 17:48 | * tcohen | meant it, you owe me one for rela |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | I DO it's true |
| 17:48 | ashimema | Lololol |
| 17:48 | tcohen | thank g*d we have logs |
| 17:49 | ashimema I added something to the agenda... | |
| 17:49 | because I did an unconsulted thing on jenkins | |
| 17:49 | that we need to discuss | |
| 17:49 | ashimema | Joubu's the man now. 🙂 |
| 17:49 | Naughty tcohen.. hahaha | |
| 17:50 | tcohen | hehe |
| 17:50 | its a team thing | |
| 17:50 | we could say it is the rmaints | |
| 17:51 | ashimema | Hehe |
| 17:51 | lukeG1 | hey now ;) |
| 17:52 | Joubu | wizzy* you forgot the list ;) |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | did I?! |
| 17:52 | blarg | |
| 17:52 | Joubu | yes! :) |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | i even found the right message >.< |
| 17:52 | tcohen | hm? |
| 17:53 | wizzyrea | there I think I got it |
| 17:53 | email is haaaarddddd | |
| 17:53 | Joubu | depends on the number of drinks usually |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | clearly I haven't had enough |
| 17:54 | of course it was daylight time but whatever. | |
| 17:54 | * wizzyrea | waves hands magically "time is relative" |
| 17:54 | tuxayo | ashimema: «tuxayo, If a test fails on a particular date that is a bug» |
| 17:54 | Indeed, hence the creation of Bug 25665, I needed clean way to reproduce. | |
| 17:54 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25665 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , test t/db_dependent/Circulation.t fails on a specific date |
| 17:54 | tuxayo | Now I learned about Time::Fake so I will try that. |
| 17:55 | oleonard | Ah, so it's not relative, it's fake |
| 17:55 | wizzyrea | omg the dog is crying cos not enough patting |
| 17:55 | spoilt pooch | |
| 17:55 | Joubu | see you tomorrow #koha |
| 17:55 | tcohen | Joubu |
| 17:55 | * Joubu | sends hugs to everybody around |
| 17:55 | tcohen | a couple more hours so you dont miss the meeting? |
| 17:55 | Joubu | Tomas!? |
| 17:55 | wahanui | tomas is probably working on some fixes for kohadevbox |
| 17:56 | Joubu | I am agreeing with everything, if you guys agree |
| 17:57 | tcohen | good night Joubu |
| 17:59 | tuxayo | o/ Joubu |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | i have a rule: no su after two :P |
| 18:00 | tuxayo | «when the cat's away the mice will play» |
| 18:00 | lukeG1 | oleonard++ |
| 18:00 | ashimema | 😂 |
| 18:00 | Good rule wizzyrea | |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | that and I don't type the proper version of arr emm arr eff slash into any textbox anywhere |
| 18:02 | tcohen | :-D |
| 18:02 | oleonard | tuxayo I think the Koha version would be <<when cait's away the bugs will play>> ?? |
| 18:02 | tcohen | oleonard++ |
| 18:02 | tuxayo | Perfect |
| 18:04 | * ashimema | translates wizzyrea's comment in a terminal.. oh noo.. f.... |
| 18:05 | oleonard | I hope y'all can read and comment on my message to koha-devel about my OPAC Bootstrap 4 work. |
| 18:05 | wizzyrea | ctrl-c! ctrl-c! |
| 18:06 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NJkWbM1xk | |
| 18:06 | ashimema | 😂 |
| 18:11 | tuxayo | oleonard: When was it sent? I find nothing related to bootstrap in my koha-devel directory. |
| 18:11 | oleonard | Whoops, when I said I sent it to koha-devel I guess I meant I sent it to myself. |
| 18:11 | I'm glad I asked or I would have suffered in silence | |
| 18:12 | wizzyrea | i told you, email is hard |
| 18:12 | * oleonard | tries again |
| 18:13 | tcohen | has anyone proposed to use discourse for our lists yet? |
| 18:14 | oleonard | Not that I can recall. What would be the advantage? |
| 18:14 | tcohen | people could interact with it outside their email LOL |
| 18:18 | ashimema | Has anyone proposed we use X instead of Y yet... |
| 18:19 | oleonard | ashimema if you mean PHP instead of Perl, yes someone proposed that once... |
| 18:20 | tcohen | https://www.discourse.org/features |
| 18:20 | its an interesting FLOSS tool for communicating | |
| 18:23 | tuxayo | It's a great forum software from a user POV. |
| 18:23 | wizzyrea | it would be nice to make the email lists more accessible for people |
| 18:24 | tuxayo | The main point is mailing list vs forum. |
| 18:24 | tcohen | there has to be a bridge between email and discourse |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 18:24 | ls | |
| 18:24 | oops | |
| 18:24 | tuxayo | > it would be nice to make the email lists more accessible for people |
| 18:24 | Is Nabble successful about that? | |
| 18:24 | tcohen | like we can keep interacting with it from our email |
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| 18:24 | * tcohen | ducks out |
| 18:26 | tuxayo | oleonard: |
| 18:26 | > I'm glad I asked or I would have suffered in silence | |
| 18:26 | Going futher: did it already happen in the past? :o | |
| 18:26 | We might never know. | |
| 18:27 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu I don't like the Koha_19.11_D9 failures |
| 18:27 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:30 | tuxayo | tcohen: Interesting, people at in the Mozilla community had the same interest. |
| 18:30 | https://discourse.mozilla.org/[…]discourse/27938/3 | |
| 18:30 | tcohen | the koha-es group has historically been in Yahoo |
| 18:30 | and when I created the mailman one in list.koha-community.org | |
| 18:31 | there was some argument on why not rethink it all | |
| 18:31 | as we lost all the historical conversations whne Yahoo made groups private | |
| 18:31 | I rushed to create the mailman one | |
| 18:31 | but it still itches | |
| 18:32 | tuxayo | :o |
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| 18:47 | tuxayo | tcohen: «I don't like the Koha_19.11_D9 failures» |
| 18:47 | I don't like all the failures on 19.11 and 19.05 :P | |
| 18:47 | It's like a subset of the tests get 400 error codes. (on the commit of the release notes XD) But that only affects 19.05 and 19.11 | |
| 18:52 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 19:00 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 19:08 | tcohen | tuxayo many of the failures are about Mojolicious versions and all |
| 19:10 | tuxayo | Ok! Strange that the tests pass locally. I though using an up to date koha-testing-docker would lead to the same results as the CI |
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| 19:11 | tuxayo | (Except flaky tests that depend on precise timing of suboperations) |
| 19:14 | tcohen | The task named Koha_19.11_D9 is running on a special KTD: it is a koha-common install of 19.11 packages |
| 19:15 | so the dependencies are ONLY those from the 19.11 packages | |
| 19:15 | we've bee nrunning the test suite on the stable branches, | |
| 19:15 | on environments that are for master | |
| 19:15 | (20.05) | |
| 19:15 | and that's *wrong* | |
| 19:16 | and the fact that many tests dissapeared by using 19.11 dependencies instead of master's | |
| 19:16 | is good | |
| 19:16 | but the fact there are some unexpected failures | |
| 19:16 | is bad | |
| 19:16 | how long have the stable branches had that? | |
| 19:18 | tuxayo | > we've bee nrunning the test suite on the stable branches, |
| 19:18 | > on environments that are for master | |
| 19:18 | Ho I see, thanks for enhancing this :D | |
| 19:19 | * cait | waves |
| 19:19 | magnuse | anyone else getting "Row size too large" errors when upgrading to 19.11? bug 24986 |
| 19:19 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24986 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Maximum row size reached soon for borrowers and deletedborrowers |
| 19:20 | tuxayo | «many tests dissapeared by using 19.11 dependencies» What do you mean tcohen ? |
| 19:20 | «how long have the stable branches had that?» What are you asking about? | |
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| 19:43 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_D11 build #13: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.05_D11/13/ |
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| 19:56 | ashimema | confused |
| 19:56 | both by tcohens jenkins comments | |
| 19:56 | though i have a feeling i sort of follow that | |
| 19:57 | but also by when the dev meeting is... | |
| 19:57 | tuxayo | 3min I think |
| 19:57 | tcohen | in three minutes? |
| 19:57 | ashimema | thought id got my timezones wrong |
| 19:57 | cool | |
| 19:57 | whose running it if Joubu isn't here? | |
| 19:57 | tcohen | that's you, ashimema |
| 19:57 | hahaha | |
| 19:58 | I can | |
| 19:58 | * ashimema | was hoping to concentrate on contributing rather than stressing about chairing.. haha |
| 19:59 | ashimema | happy to help honestly |
| 19:59 | just also don't want to get into the habit of just carrying on.. | |
| 19:59 | tcohen | if you can chair, please do |
| 20:00 | otherwise, I'll happily do it | |
| 20:00 | I'm just tiding some patches I need to submit | |
| 20:02 | ashimema | okies |
| 20:02 | * ashimema | opens the meeting chairing page |
| 20:02 | tcohen | is there such a thing? |
| 20:02 | I'm always stressed looking at previous meetings logs when it is my turn LOL | |
| 20:03 | ashimema | #startmeetng Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020 |
| 20:03 | khall joined #koha | |
| 20:03 | ashimema | #chair tcohen |
| 20:04 | #chair cait | |
| 20:04 | enkidu | ashimema: it didn't work I think. startmeeting ? |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #chair tuxayo |
| 20:04 | lol | |
| 20:04 | tuxayo | nooo |
| 20:04 | cait | hey... i was all quiet :) |
| 20:04 | tuxayo | "meetng" |
| 20:04 | tcohen | yup, typo |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020 |
| 20:04 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 20:04:36 2020 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:04 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_3_june_2020' |
| 20:04 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #chair cait |
| 20:04 | huginn | Current chairs: ashimema cait |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #chair tcohen |
| 20:04 | huginn | Current chairs: ashimema cait tcohen |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #chair tuxayo |
| 20:04 | huginn | Current chairs: ashimema cait tcohen tuxayo |
| 20:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 20:04 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 20:04 | enkidu | #info Mengü Yazıcıoğlu, Devinim, Turkey |
| 20:05 | tuxayo | XD |
| 20:05 | ashimema | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_3_June_2020 Agenda |
| 20:05 | #topic Introductions | |
| 20:05 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:05 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 20:05 | ashimema | Please use #info to introduce yourselves |
| 20:05 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 20:05 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst iT |
| 20:05 | * magnuse | relizes who enkidu is and waves in his direction |
| 20:05 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe, UK |
| 20:05 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea |
| 20:05 | ashimema | ooh.. hi enkidu, nice to see you here :) |
| 20:06 | enkidu | magnuse :) |
| 20:06 | Hi all | |
| 20:06 | tuxayo-read-only joined #koha | |
| 20:06 | tcohen | hi enkidu |
| 20:06 | * magnuse | watches nz crimes on television - "brokenwood mysteries" or something like that |
| 20:07 | ashimema | #topic Announcements |
| 20:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:07 | tcohen | I have an announcement on behalf of Joubu |
| 20:07 | ashimema | #info The 20.05 release happened, just in time to get into May.. delays were caused by some hurdles to get over with packaging. |
| 20:08 | lisettelatah joined #koha | |
| 20:08 | tuxayo | (announcement about the IPA stocks?) |
| 20:08 | ashimema | #info Packages should be available very soon, transfering them from the staging repository to live is in progress. |
| 20:08 | cait | mtj++ :) |
| 20:08 | tcohen | mtj++ |
| 20:08 | enkidu | Oh no, Joubu without a beer ? |
| 20:09 | tuxayo | mtj++ |
| 20:09 | magnuse | mtj++ |
| 20:09 | ashimema | anyone else got any announcements.. |
| 20:09 | tcohen | yes |
| 20:09 | enkidu | mtj++ |
| 20:09 | cait | enkidu: just rumours |
| 20:09 | ashimema | mtj++ |
| 20:09 | enkidu | cait: Oh nice ! I miss the Kohacon days. |
| 20:09 | tcohen | We forked koha-gitify into the community Gitlan |
| 20:09 | Gitlab | |
| 20:10 | khall joined #koha | |
| 20:10 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:10 | tcohen | and KTD now points there |
| 20:10 | ashimema | #info koha-gitify has been forked into the koha-community gitlab organisation |
| 20:10 | tuxayo | tcohen: it was another in koha's git server before? |
| 20:10 | tcohen | community++ |
| 20:10 | it was in a personal github repo | |
| 20:11 | tuxayo | *was it in koha's git server |
| 20:11 | ok | |
| 20:11 | ashimema | #info koha-testing-docker now utilises the community maintained version hosted on gitlab |
| 20:11 | tcohen | it was the only stack piece we didn't, as community, control |
| 20:11 | tuxayo | Nice! |
| 20:11 | ashimema | it was on githbub if i recall correctly tuxayo |
| 20:11 | khall joined #koha | |
| 20:11 | tuxayo | anyone else got any announcements, or rumours? |
| 20:11 | ashimema | not sure how well maintained if has been.. I vaguely recollect the original maintainers have moved on to other pastures? |
| 20:12 | tcohen | ashimema that's correct, but have to say anytime we needed anything, our PR were always accepted promptly |
| 20:12 | ashimema | good to know |
| 20:13 | tcohen | chris hall? |
| 20:13 | https://github.com/chrisosaurus/koha-gitify | |
| 20:13 | ashimema | #info Many thanks should be passed to the original maintainers of koha-gitify and their diligent eforts keeping it up to date when pull requests were submitted :) |
| 20:13 | rangi | yeah he works for google now |
| 20:13 | ashimema | nice |
| 20:14 | cait | chris_hall++ :) |
| 20:14 | tcohen | chris_hall++ |
| 20:14 | enkidu | chris_hall++ |
| 20:14 | tuxayo | chris_hall++ |
| 20:14 | & ++ to other maints | |
| 20:15 | cait | as someoen who started out with a classic git installation... things are so much better these days i can tell you :) |
| 20:15 | tcohen | community++ |
| 20:15 | oleonard | Definitely |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | gitify was a fantastic evolution |
| 20:16 | tcohen | it was the trampolin |
| 20:16 | cait | :) |
| 20:16 | tcohen | filling the gap between deb installs and our dev environments |
| 20:16 | then kohadevbox, then KTD | |
| 20:16 | all relying on koha-gitify | |
| 20:17 | * ashimema | actually still uses a classic git install allot for dev |
| 20:17 | magnuse | chris_hall++ |
| 20:17 | ashimema | but also leans on k-t-d |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | (same person, not to get off track, also facilitated the change from the old templating system to template toolkit) |
| 20:17 | * magnuse | needs to get into ktd |
| 20:17 | cait | I'll wait with ktd until tomas can show me in person again ;) |
| 20:18 | tcohen | I'll buy the tickets as soon as they allow me to, cait |
| 20:18 | magnuse | ooh, good plan, cait |
| 20:18 | cait | :) |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | ktd has really improved |
| 20:18 | docker itself, has really improved. | |
| 20:18 | ashimema | right.. shall we move on |
| 20:18 | tcohen | speaking of which |
| 20:18 | exaclty | |
| 20:18 | ashimema | #topic Update from the Release manager |
| 20:18 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:19 | ashimema | er.. RM is MIA ;) |
| 20:19 | tcohen | #info Joubu brewed 20L of IPA, don't count on him for the rest of the week |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | he said he agreed with whatever you decided |
| 20:19 | tuxayo | Yes, we can do whatever we want! :D |
| 20:19 | ashimema | #info Jonthan is missing this evening, but expressed he has great trust in the team around him |
| 20:20 | lol | |
| 20:20 | tcohen | LOL |
| 20:20 | I like british formality | |
| 20:20 | ashimema | hehe |
| 20:20 | cait | hm we could discuss the koha release naming again :P |
| 20:20 | enkidu | :) |
| 20:20 | ashimema | I like minutes to look half professional |
| 20:20 | tcohen | montypython++ |
| 20:21 | ashimema | I as very dissapointed to see the first commit this cycle |
| 20:21 | sooo boring | |
| 20:21 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 20:21 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:21 | ashimema | rmaints? |
| 20:21 | wahanui | rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley |
| 20:22 | tuxayo | Not anymore! |
| 20:22 | ashimema | no, rmaints is lukeG, aleisha, tuxayo |
| 20:22 | tuxayo | > the first commit this cycle |
| 20:22 | The one who says «All our codebase are belong to everybody» ? | |
| 20:22 | * oleonard | liked that one |
| 20:22 | ashimema | rmaints is lukeG, aleisha and tuxayo |
| 20:22 | * tuxayo | too |
| 20:23 | magnuse | rmaints? |
| 20:23 | wahanui | rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | forget rmaints |
| 20:23 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot rmaints |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | rmaints is <reply> lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo |
| 20:23 | rmaints? | |
| 20:23 | wahanui | lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo |
| 20:23 | magnuse | yay! |
| 20:23 | enkidu | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:24 | ashimema | hmm.. maybe i missed a commit |
| 20:24 | I only see | |
| 20:24 | oleonard | No, make it say "lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!!" |
| 20:24 | ashimema | `Koha 20.06 - start of a new dev cycle` |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | forget rmaints |
| 20:24 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot rmaints |
| 20:24 | ashimema | lol |
| 20:24 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo (for 19.05) is learning the RMaint workflow and how to interpret CI results |
| 20:24 | magnuse | + NewVersion( $DBversion, undef, 'All our codebase are belong to everybody' ); |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | rmaints is <reply> lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!! |
| 20:25 | ashimema | haha |
| 20:25 | tcohen | tuxayo we'll talk about it shortly |
| 20:25 | ashimema | ah.. nice |
| 20:25 | :) | |
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| 20:25 | ashimema | #info rmaints are all setup and ready to go.. handover complete :) |
| 20:26 | * magnuse | needs to catch some sleep, even if the sun is high in the sky - have fun #koha! |
| 20:26 | ashimema | doubt there's much more to say |
| 20:26 | tcohen | enjoy magnuse |
| 20:26 | enkidu | bye magnuse |
| 20:26 | ashimema | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 20:26 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:26 | ashimema | cait |
| 20:26 | tuxayo | found one test bug, also moved 1 step in the RMaint queue :D |
| 20:26 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:27 | well done tuxayo | |
| 20:27 | cait | oops |
| 20:27 | tcohen | I'm worried about 24986 |
| 20:27 | cait | Joubu said when asked: QA ALL THE THINGS! |
| 20:28 | * ashimema | is getting temped by his bed.. |
| 20:28 | cait | I'd like to forward this message of our RM |
| 20:28 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:28 | cait | otherwise, we are stlil focusing on bugs right now |
| 20:28 | ashimema | #info QA ALL THE THINGS :) |
| 20:28 | cait | I was told tests had to be fixed... but I am not up to date if they have been already |
| 20:28 | it's been a little busy, will try to catch up soon | |
| 20:29 | i still see a lot of yellow so i guess.. FIX ALL THE TESTS! is stlil on as well | |
| 20:29 | thx | |
| 20:29 | tcohen | understood |
| 20:29 | ashimema | #info bugs are priority for the first month, but there's also a few 20_11_target bugs in the queue I believe which didn't make it end of last cycle and would be nice to do early this cycle. |
| 20:29 | #info We need to get the test suits passing again... | |
| 20:29 | cait | we've also discussed makeing the items, biblio, biblioitems merge soon |
| 20:30 | tuxayo | > We need to get the test suits passing again... |
| 20:30 | At least they pass locally | |
| 20:30 | cait | as this blocks progress in functionality like showing info about deleted items and such in variou splaces |
| 20:30 | ashimema | indeed.. I think that's badged up.. if it isn't already we should do so |
| 20:30 | cait | cancelled records in acq |
| 20:30 | tuxayo | It's not that centralized even if it's harder without CI |
| 20:30 | tcohen | I'm working on jenkings |
| 20:30 | jenkins | |
| 20:30 | wanted to talk about it next | |
| 20:31 | ashimema | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 20:31 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 20:31 | ashimema | all your tochen :) |
| 20:31 | #info Test suite, proper environment to test stable branches | |
| 20:31 | lets do your first tcohen.. I think it's more important | |
| 20:31 | tcohen | The last couple weeks, we've been fighting packaging, and the OSs we support |
| 20:32 | some problematic libraries involve the API (i.e. Mojolicious, OpenAPI, YAML, etc) | |
| 20:32 | making things work on all the supported Debian/Ubuntu versions | |
| 20:32 | has been a pain | |
| 20:32 | mtj++ | |
| 20:32 | tuxayo | (CI for tests is like an addiction, we see the signs of lack of it quickly ^^) |
| 20:32 | ashimema | mtj++ |
| 20:33 | tcohen | There are nasty problems with DBD::mysql (regressions) |
| 20:33 | tuxayo | mtj++ |
| 20:33 | tcohen++ | |
| 20:33 | The new matrix of test envs is great! | |
| 20:33 | ashimema | So.. is the jenkins change that we're now avoiding cpan for installing any deps |
| 20:33 | tcohen | that cause some tests to fail. I consider those failures minor, as they are mostly problems with representation of floats |
| 20:34 | ashimema | i.e. relying more strictly on the koha-common package pulling in all the right things? |
| 20:34 | tcohen | BUT |
| 20:34 | rigt | |
| 20:34 | this morning I branched KTD for 19.11 | |
| 20:34 | and cleaned all the things it installs | |
| 20:34 | tuxayo | > the jenkins change |
| 20:34 | Only in Jenkins or in koha-testing-docker in general? | |
| 20:34 | ashimema | excellent |
| 20:34 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 20:34 | tcohen | it will now *only* install koha-common and dependencies |
| 20:34 | and just a few cpan things required for tests | |
| 20:34 | this way we can be sure about things | |
| 20:35 | Joubu considered we should discuss this somehow as it is an overhead | |
| 20:35 | I belive it is fairly 'light' | |
| 20:35 | specially if we finish building the .deb building pipeline | |
| 20:35 | ashimema | i must admit I still find the control file syntax weird.. surely test-depends should be what it sounds like |
| 20:35 | tcohen | and all gets automated |
| 20:35 | ashimema | but that's a topic for another day.. |
| 20:36 | tcohen | right |
| 20:36 | ashimema | I agree the .deb building pipeline is key to this.. and has been the missing element for the whole 12 months of my time as RM |
| 20:36 | well.. | |
| 20:36 | tcohen | So, my plan is to make all the stable branches tests |
| 20:37 | run on version-spcific KTD | |
| 20:37 | tuxayo | great! |
| 20:37 | enkidu | tcohen++ |
| 20:37 | tcohen | so 19.11 will be run against koha/koha-testing:19.11-stretch |
| 20:37 | ashimema | the full pipeline has always been missing.. but during my tenure with the loss of mirko we lost an important part of it which was working |
| 20:37 | tcohen | and I'd say rmaints should do their job probably on that images as well |
| 20:37 | ashimema | tcohen++ |
| 20:38 | what do you mean by rmaints do their job properly on those images? | |
| 20:38 | tcohen | once the packages for 20.05 arrive I'll branch KTD for that as well |
| 20:38 | tuxayo | > and I'd say rmaints should do their job probably on that images as well |
| 20:38 | Good, that's how I understood it. | |
| 20:38 | ashimema | watch the debian.control bugs and ensure they test and push patches that land there |
| 20:38 | tcohen | rmaints: ask me whatever you need about jenkins or the pipelines we are setting |
| 20:38 | and ask me the changes you want | |
| 20:38 | (for example, if you want to test on another OS) | |
| 20:39 | tuxayo | > (for example, if you want to test on another OS) |
| 20:39 | are there missing OSes that we support? | |
| 20:39 | enkidu | another OS? Do we have so much people to work on? |
| 20:40 | tuxayo | Or maybe you mean like OS+the DBMS |
| 20:40 | * ashimema | thinks we're now well covered for combinations really |
| 20:41 | tcohen | I'm talking about debianderivative like Ubuntu |
| 20:41 | or newer Debian | |
| 20:41 | but if you want to set another OS | |
| 20:41 | I could guide or help if needed | |
| 20:41 | ashimema | we could in theory test a few more combinations.. but I'm not entirely sure we need to |
| 20:41 | having said that.. we do know the DBD versions can make a difference.. so perhaps we should be. | |
| 20:42 | tcohen | we should |
| 20:42 | tuxayo | I was thinking the stable branches might need MariaDB testing. |
| 20:42 | But maybe the angle should be: should MySQL remain the default DBMS? | |
| 20:42 | > we do know the DBD versions can make a difference | |
| 20:42 | What do you mean? | |
| 20:42 | tcohen | https://github.com/perl5-dbi/DBD-mysql/issues/212 |
| 20:42 | * ashimema | opened a bug asking for DB versions in HEA to help asses this |
| 20:42 | ashimema | it got mostly shot down |
| 20:43 | rangi | i think if it was just major version number |
| 20:43 | thats ok | |
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| 20:43 | rangi | 5.5 not 5.5.10~dsfg etc |
| 20:43 | tcohen | I found a bug on DBD::mysql, that got fixed in v4.042 |
| 20:43 | tuxayo | I wanted to try to move this bug forward. It didn't seemed blocked. |
| 20:43 | (bug about HEA & DBMS) | |
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| 20:44 | tcohen | and people find the fix got reverted in a few newer versions |
| 20:44 | (Buster's, for example) | |
| 20:44 | ashimema | lets ove it forward tuxayo.. I have more time for things like that now |
| 20:44 | only so many battles I could fight as RM | |
| 20:45 | sounds sane to me rangi.. and all we really need I think | |
| 20:45 | rangi | yep |
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| 20:45 | ashimema | ooh.. rangi.. did you see I added a followup pull request on dashboard.. |
| 20:45 | tuxayo | > 5.5 not 5.5.10~dsfg etc |
| 20:45 | That was the next step for me. Try to find a reliable way to parse at least MySQL and MariaDB version strings. | |
| 20:45 | rangi | ashimema: yep merged and deployed |
| 20:46 | ashimema | awesome, thanks |
| 20:46 | apologies for messing up :( | |
| 20:47 | rangi | no worries |
| 20:47 | tcohen | #info rmaints contact tcohen about jenkins and environments their branches should be tested against |
| 20:48 | * ashimema | is really happy to see Jenkins growing so much... it really improved last couple of cycle and the trend is only getting better :) |
| 20:49 | ashimema | shall we move on tcohen? |
| 20:49 | tcohen | yes |
| 20:49 | ashimema | #info Can we/Should we deprecate MySQL 5.5 support? |
| 20:49 | tcohen | yes please |
| 20:49 | haha | |
| 20:50 | ashimema | we have a few challenges to overcome if we want to continue to support it |
| 20:50 | tcohen | dcook could argue if he has some old RHEL |
| 20:50 | ashimema | bug 10517 for instance |
| 20:50 | tuxayo | Which OS has it by default? |
| 20:50 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10517 normal, P5 - low, ---, rudolfbyker, Needs Signoff , koha-restore fails to create mysqlusermysql_hostname so zebra update fails |
| 20:50 | ashimema | but I'm sure there are some others |
| 20:50 | D8 did, D9 does if you upgraded from D8 I believe | |
| 20:51 | enkidu | do we have some statistics about OS and DB versions around the world? |
| 20:51 | tuxayo | Is D8 deprecated? For 20.11 |
| 20:51 | ashimema | I found some case where you could certainly end up with it on D9 without really trying to.. when upset me. |
| 20:51 | tcohen | it is EOL |
| 20:51 | ashimema | D8 is deprecated already |
| 20:52 | crap.. I forgot to add specific mention of that in the release notes | |
| 20:52 | 20.05 supports it, but not deliberately.. | |
| 20:52 | tcohen | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 20:52 | it seems stretch is EOL soon LOL | |
| 20:52 | everybody should switch to Ubuntu 20.04 hahaha | |
| 20:53 | ashimema | the idea is to formally drop D8 support ith 20.05.00, 19.05.12, 18.11.06 (i.e. the set of releases that just happened) |
| 20:53 | but.. we could do it with the next set of point releases.. which will actually correspond to when D8 is officially dropped by Debian themselves | |
| 20:53 | tuxayo | > I found some case where you could certainly end up with it on D9 without really trying to |
| 20:53 | Sound reasonable to ask for a migration to MariaDB or a latter MySQL version. | |
| 20:54 | tcohen | what is the mysql 5.5 correspondent mariadb version? |
| 20:54 | ashimema | 5.5 I think |
| 20:55 | enkidu | 5.5, Mysql5.6 is MariaDB 10.0 I remember |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | ^ that's right |
| 20:55 | tcohen | stretch ships 10.1 |
| 20:55 | ashimema | personally.. I think we should bump to minimum of MariaDB 10.1 |
| 20:56 | that's the default if you install from fresh in D9.. | |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | it is |
| 20:56 | tcohen | and MySQL 5.7 |
| 20:56 | ashimema | pretty sure you only get mysql5.5 if you upgraded from D8 or explicitly ask for MySQL instead of MariaDB |
| 20:56 | indeed | |
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| 20:57 | tcohen | lets vote for deprecation |
| 20:57 | tuxayo | Is MariaDB 10.1 == MySQL 5.7 ? |
| 20:57 | Are there know limitations that the MySQL side would cause? | |
| 20:57 | ashimema | ++ |
| 20:57 | enkidu | 5.7 -> 10.2 |
| 20:57 | tuxayo | great! |
| 20:58 | Anyone has an info or argument before voting? | |
| 20:59 | ashimema | these days you have to jump through some hoops to install MySQL if you really want it.. all distros I've worked with of late use MariaDB even if you install the mysql-server package it's just a symlink |
| 21:00 | tuxayo | Thanks, I had this impression also |
| 21:00 | ashimema | #startvote Should we officially deprecate MySQL5.5 support (upping minimum SQL versions to MariaDB 10.1/MySQL 5.7? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 21:00 | huginn | Begin voting on: Should we officially deprecate MySQL5.5 support (upping minimum SQL versions to MariaDB 10.1/MySQL 5.7? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 21:00 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 21:01 | tcohen | #vote Yes |
| 21:01 | enkidu | #vote Yes |
| 21:01 | ashimema | #vote Yes |
| 21:01 | tuxayo | #vote yes |
| 21:01 | For with Koha version BTW? | |
| 21:01 | *Which | |
| 21:02 | davidnind | #vote Yes |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | #vote Yes |
| 21:02 | tcohen | onwards |
| 21:02 | 20.11 | |
| 21:02 | tuxayo | Like for Debian ("retroactive drop") or less strict |
| 21:02 | Thanks tcohen | |
| 21:03 | ashimema | I would say probably retroactive (to keep your tasks as rmaints simple) |
| 21:03 | people should really be upgrading debian at this point and as part of that expecting/requirement them to upgrade mysql doesn't seem terrible to me.. | |
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| 21:03 | tcohen | We are not taking advantage of Joubu's absense laissez-faire message |
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| 21:04 | ashimema | but.. Im happy to be overruled on that one.. i's not a process I've had to do much of.. |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | jessie goes out of support Very Soon Now |
| 21:04 | ashimema | we could do with a sysops view on that |
| 21:04 | tuxayo | > as part of that expecting/requirement them to upgrade mysql doesn't seem terrible to me.. |
| 21:04 | ++ | |
| 21:04 | ashimema | any more for any more.. |
| 21:04 | 3 | |
| 21:04 | 2 | |
| 21:04 | 1 | |
| 21:04 | tcohen | deprecating Debian 8 |
| 21:04 | ashimema | . |
| 21:04 | tcohen | implies somehow |
| 21:04 | ashimema | #endvote |
| 21:04 | huginn | Voted on "Should we officially deprecate MySQL5.5 support (upping minimum SQL versions to MariaDB 10.1/MySQL 5.7?" Results are |
| 21:04 | Yes (6): davidnind, wizzyrea, ashimema, tuxayo, tcohen, enkidu | |
| 21:05 | ashimema | excellent |
| 21:05 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 21:05 | ashimema | any more general topics chaps? |
| 21:05 | or shall we move on | |
| 21:05 | tuxayo | Where should/are these things (Debian, DBMS support) documented? |
| 21:06 | > any more general topics chaps? | |
| 21:06 | Can we have MariaDB by default in dev&test environment then? | |
| 21:06 | ashimema | wiki pages somewhere.. the website on the install details page and in every release note |
| 21:06 | tcohen | #info Joubu volunteers to announce MySQL 5.5 deprecation |
| 21:06 | ashimema | perhaps the coding guidelines too |
| 21:06 | nice touch tochen | |
| 21:06 | tcohen.. even | |
| 21:07 | tuxayo | > Joubu volunteers |
| 21:07 | he he | |
| 21:07 | davidnind | I will update the section in the manual |
| 21:07 | ashimema | thanks davidnind |
| 21:07 | tcohen | Joubu is quietly preparing to FQA my patches, for sure |
| 21:07 | ashimema | #action davidnind will update the manual with new minimum requirements updates |
| 21:07 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 21:07 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 21:08 | ashimema | i don't believe there's anything to review |
| 21:08 | so... | |
| 21:08 | tcohen | right |
| 21:08 | ashimema | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 21:08 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2020) | |
| 21:08 | tcohen | should we file a bug for KTD to default to other DB version then? |
| 21:08 | tuxayo | davidnind: great, there is a section in the manual :D |
| 21:08 | tcohen | nevermind |
| 21:08 | tuxayo | > should we file a bug for KTD to default to other DB version then? |
| 21:08 | Ok, I can do that | |
| 21:09 | ashimema | deffo tcohen |
| 21:09 | tcohen | I'd say each OS it's shipped version |
| 21:09 | and MySQL 8 | |
| 21:09 | * ashimema | is bowing out.. brain is fading fast now |
| 21:09 | tcohen | as we do already |
| 21:09 | go to bed! | |
| 21:09 | ashimema | agreed tcohen |
| 21:09 | tuxayo | > I'd say each OS it's shipped version |
| 21:09 | Yes, I was thinking about that. | |
| 21:11 | > and MySQL 8 | |
| 21:11 | So every matching MariaDB by default + an optional way to have MySQL 8 to offer a cutting edge option. | |
| 21:11 | tcohen | right |
| 21:11 | ashimema | |
| 21:11 | wahanui | it has been said that ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;) |
| 21:11 | tuxayo | Like with ES 7 |
| 21:11 | Good | |
| 21:11 | tcohen | yup |
| 21:11 | time for next meeting | |
| 21:12 | tuxayo | June 17th? |
| 21:12 | ashimema | general meeting is on 17th too |
| 21:13 | how did we end up conflicting again | |
| 21:13 | mwah | |
| 21:13 | it's a 3pm.. we could do 2 and force ourselves to finish on time | |
| 21:13 | or follow the general meeting | |
| 21:13 | or change day | |
| 21:13 | wahanui | ashimema: that doesn't look right |
| 21:13 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 21:14 | tuxayo | > how did we end up conflicting again |
| 21:14 | Months are a bit more than 4.0 weeks | |
| 21:14 | ashimema | indeed |
| 21:14 | tcohen | same day, another time? |
| 21:15 | tuxayo | Do people usually manage to have 2 meeting in the same day? |
| 21:15 | without having trouble fitting them with the rest. | |
| 21:16 | tcohen | 3 or 4 |
| 21:16 | I'd say same day another time | |
| 21:16 | and make them fit | |
| 21:17 | tuxayo | ok, so one hour before the general meeting? |
| 21:19 | ashimema | 13 or 15 UTC.. which is 14 or 16 UK, 10 or 12 BA, |
| 21:19 | 13 works for me.. | |
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| 21:20 | ashimema | I think that fit more timezones (except Wellington.. sorry rangi, davidnind) |
| 21:21 | #info Next meeting: 17 June 2020, 13 UTC | |
| 21:21 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:21 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 21:21 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 21:21:18 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:21 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-03-20.04.html | |
| 21:21 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]0-06-03-20.04.txt | |
| 21:21 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-20.04.log.html | |
| 21:21 | ashimema | nighty night chaps |
| 21:21 | thanks for coming :) | |
| 21:21 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 21:22 | davidnind | no problems! |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | tcohen | night ashimema |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:25 | tuxayo | davidnind: Which is the part of the manual that should have the system requirements for running Koha? |
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| 21:32 | davidnind | It isn't currently, I think I was supposed to add! |
| 21:34 | cait | i think we also have something on the website - I can help updating that if needed |
| 21:35 | davidnind | it is in the Debian package install instructions |
| 21:38 | tuxayo | Should we have a canonical place and the others point to it? |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | a thing I'd really like to do is a community question2answer |
| 21:39 | i probably have capacity for that on the community webserver I run | |
| 21:39 | it's like stack overflow but without all of the nonsense associated with actual stack overflow | |
| 21:40 | there is a place on the website for requirements | |
| 21:40 | davidnind left #koha | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | it's on the download page |
| 21:40 | and I think in the readme that's shipped with Koha | |
| 21:42 | tuxayo | > a thing I'd really like to do is a community question2answer |
| 21:42 | That sound's great for part of what is done in the mailing lists. | |
| 21:42 | Wouldn't the manual or wiki or website work better to present system requierements? | |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | i wasn't suggesting that it replace that |
| 21:42 | tuxayo | Only a part I meant |
| 21:43 | (part of the ML traffic) | |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | sorry that was kind of a non-sequitur |
| 21:43 | mine, not yours :) | |
| 21:43 | anyway, there's a place on the website for requirements | |
| 21:43 | it's the download pae | |
| 21:44 | it's the download page* | |
| 21:44 | tuxayo | ? |
| 21:44 | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind[…]_sequitur_(logic) | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | https://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 21:44 | tcohen | rmaints? |
| 21:44 | wahanui | lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!! |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | "my statement didn't logically follow yours, it's more of an aside" |
| 21:44 | tuxayo | XD |
| 21:45 | tcohen | aleisha around? |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]n_everyday_speech |
| 21:46 | my statement about q2a was unrelated to yours about a place to put the requirements | |
| 21:46 | tuxayo | oh I get it! |
| 21:47 | lukeG1 | I am here now, sorry |
| 21:48 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #11: FAILURE in 7 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D10/11/ |
| 21:52 | tcohen | ^^ see? 19.11 tests passed on D10 only because we cheated on the Mojolicious version |
| 21:57 | ok 32 tabs on the browser is too much | |
| 21:57 | aleisha | hi im here! |
| 21:58 | sorry | |
| 21:58 | tcohen | hola aleisha |
| 21:58 | :-D | |
| 21:58 | aleisha | kia ora! |
| 21:58 | tcohen | kia ora! |
| 21:58 | tuxayo | The invocation worked, all 3 are here! :D |
| 21:58 | tcohen | lukeG1 |
| 21:58 | as mentioned on the dev meeting | |
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| 21:58 | tcohen | we've been using KTD in jenkins to run all the tests |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | ah hey tosca |
| 21:59 | tcohen | BUT with a caveat: we've been using the same KTD we use for development |
| 21:59 | which is basically the 'master' branch of KTD | |
| 21:59 | it is osually ok-ish | |
| 21:59 | but | |
| 21:59 | dependencies can trick us | |
| 22:00 | tuxayo | aleisha, lukeG1 I think it's due to oleonard that now they have this magic thing to summon us. |
| 22:00 | tcohen | I've branched KTD so it only installs koha-common |
| 22:00 | for the stable releases | |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | no, that was me :P |
| 22:00 | tcohen | so, in jenkins, tests are now run in a production-ish environment, more realistic |
| 22:00 | tuxayo | > dependencies can trick us |
| 22:00 | On the other hand, dependencies will be less able to trick us in production :D | |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | i mean, the I SUMMON THEE were his words, but I taught it to do that :) |
| 22:01 | tcohen | right |
| 22:01 | so, if you are using KTD for rmaint tasks | |
| 22:01 | beware to export KOHA_IMAGE=20.05 | |
| 22:01 | instead of the default 'master' | |
| 22:01 | you can run whatever you want of course | |
| 22:02 | but if you want a more realistic environment | |
| 22:02 | as now jenkins runs | |
| 22:02 | lukeG1 | OK, thanks tcohen! |
| 22:02 | tcohen | check the version-specific docker image |
| 22:02 | you will see new rude failures | |
| 22:02 | that's because we were cheating before | |
| 22:02 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 22:03 | tcohen | https://jenkins.koha-community[…]b/Koha_19.11_D10/ |
| 22:03 | or it might be a packaging issue | |
| 22:03 | hidden by the fact we ran things on a different environment | |
| 22:03 | for packaging issues, call mtj | |
| 22:03 | *summon* | |
| 22:04 | aleisha | thanks tcohen ! |
| 22:04 | tuxayo | > KOHA_IMAGE=20.05 |
| 22:04 | This is great, thanks! So it would be like KOHA_IMAGE=master-stretch, with the rest of the deps matching right? | |
| 22:04 | tcohen | ho |
| 22:04 | I said 20.05 | |
| 22:04 | but you can add -stretch, -bionic, -focal, etc | |
| 22:05 | tuxayo | ok so it's two parts. |
| 22:05 | tcohen | in all cases |
| 22:05 | if you don't add -OS | |
| 22:05 | it means stretch | |
| 22:05 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]pelines/152609562 | |
| 22:05 | there you see it is building the images for 19.05 | |
| 22:06 | tuxayo | So the two parts is how you do the matrix of OS+Koha deps IIUC |
| 22:06 | tcohen | yeah |
| 22:06 | you will notice there are more names on that list than tasks in jenkins | |
| 22:06 | that's because maybe some OS is not set to be tested against on jenkins | |
| 22:07 | but I built the image anyways (it is free he) | |
| 22:07 | so, if you want to test in more combinations (OS, DB version, etc) | |
| 22:07 | just ping me and I'll teach you, or do it for you | |
| 22:07 | ashimema and Joubu can do it as well | |
| 22:08 | the master and 20.05 tasks in Jenkins cover lots of use cases | |
| 22:08 | tuxayo | > you will notice there are more names on that list than tasks in jenkins |
| 22:08 | really? they all seem there | |
| 22:08 | lukeG1 | tcohen++ |
| 22:08 | tcohen | 19.05 is tested in less OS, 19.11 is not tested against a variety of DB versions |
| 22:08 | I'm not saying they should, justmentioning that if you consider that as required, I'm here to serve | |
| 22:09 | And my internet interrupted my favourite song from this record | |
| 22:09 | tuxayo | :o |
| 22:10 | * tcohen | bought an external DVD to rip all his CDs |
| 22:14 | tuxayo | > so, if you want to test in more combinations (OS, DB version, etc) |
| 22:14 | It seems everything is possible from the starting command line now :D | |
| 22:14 | - OS from the KOHA_IMAGE variable | |
| 22:14 | - Koha perl deps for each supported Koha version (is perl deps the right term for that part?) Also from the KOHA_IMAGE variable | |
| 22:14 | - DBMS: for example `-f docker-compose.mysql8.0.yml` | |
| 22:14 | - ES: same idea as DB | |
| 22:15 | tcohen++ | |
| 22:17 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #159: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/159/ |
| 22:18 | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #226: FAILURE in 1 min 4 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.05_U18/226/ | |
| 22:19 | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #224: FAILURE in 1 min 2 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D9/224/ | |
| 22:20 | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #230: FAILURE in 1 min 5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D8/230/ | |
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| 22:30 | tuxayo | tcohen: All those new things are a lot of work for the 3 runners. I hope they will keep up. |
| 22:30 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #158: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/158/ |
| 22:30 | tcohen | I'm working on making them run more things in paralell |
| 22:30 | but yeah | |
| 22:30 | we need more runneres | |
| 22:31 | we need two VPS | |
| 22:31 | ES is the problem, as is needs some RAM | |
| 22:32 | so 4GB is what we need | |
| 22:36 | tuxayo | tcohen: should a 6 GiB RAM VPS should be able to run two tests suites in parallel? I don't know if only one machine would facilitate the maintenance. |
| 22:38 | tcohen | yup |
| 22:38 | that'd be great | |
| 22:47 | we only need root SSH access | |
| 22:47 | to set things | |
| 22:47 | install docker, plant the SSH keys for jenkins, etc | |
| 22:48 | tuxayo | tcohen: 3GiB of RAM shouldn't be enough. compared to before starting KTD and running UI tests, I'm getting 2.9 additional RAM usage. |
| 22:49 | On a real scenario, one would have to add some RAM for the CI software and the host OS. | |
| 22:51 | tcohen | true |
| 22:51 | gotta run | |
| 22:51 | well, eat | |
| 22:51 | prepare dinner | |
| 22:51 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 22:51 | tcohen | he |
| 22:51 | bye \o | |
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| 22:58 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:58 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 22:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #158: FIXED in 1 hr 16 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/158/ |
| 23:25 | dcook | @later tell tcohen At this point, I have Koha running on Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, and RHEL heh. But I think requiring OS and DB upgrades is fair when it comes to servers. From what I've seen, it seems like the servers with MariaDB 10.0 are EOL, and in desperate need of upgrades anyway. I'll keep harassing their sysadmins... |
| 23:25 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:25 | inlibro joined #koha | |
| 23:36 | tuxayo | dcook: I guess if servers are in desperate need of upgrades, that's also the case for Koha. So dropping MariaDB 10.0 or MySQL 5.5 shouldn't be an issue right? |
| 23:37 | dcook | tuxayo: Pretty much. |
| 23:37 | While I've often had to support old versions of IE, that's a client-side issue. When it comes to the server-side, I don't think we should help people to hang on to EOL software. | |
| 23:37 | Dropping support helps build a case for doing upgrades | |
| 23:37 | And upgrades are good heh | |
| 23:41 | tuxayo | It's great that you have experience in such diverse cases. That can compensate part of our lack of statistics ^^" |
| 23:43 | > I don't think we should help people to hang on to EOL software. | |
| 23:43 | That also take resources that could be used to have strong support for things like OpenSuse, RHEL/CentOS, Elasticsearch 7 and becoming for DB agnostic. | |
| 23:44 | dcook: is there much to do install Koha on OpenSuse or RHEL? Compared to Debian or Ubuntu. | |
| 23:45 | dcook | Mmm yes and no |
| 23:45 | Actually yes yes yes | |
| 23:45 | lol | |
| 23:45 | tuxayo | Have you heard about someone using another DBMS than MariaDB or MySQL? |
| 23:45 | dcook | Not lately |
| 23:45 | It would be impossible with Koha these days I think without massive customization | |
| 23:46 | Honestly, we're starting to switch away from OpenSuse towards Ubuntu. | |
| 23:46 | The Koha Debian tools are too useful not to. Plus, issues with dependency versions can be quite annoying. | |
| 23:47 | Better to have something that is tried and true with the community. | |
| 23:47 | RHEL... will probably have to keep doing that for certain environments | |
| 23:47 | That being said, it wouldn't necessarily be that hard to support other OSes | |
| 23:47 | Building RPM packages is super easy | |
| 23:47 | tuxayo | > Actually yes yes yes |
| 23:47 | Is that about the perl deps or something else? | |
| 23:47 | dcook | I'd say way easier than Debian packages |
| 23:47 | Mostly the perl deps | |
| 23:48 | Apache, MySQL, and Zebra aren't too bad to install | |
| 23:48 | Although you have to write your own Zebra service | |
| 23:48 | tuxayo | noob question: Isn't it possible to "just get everything from CPAN" |
| 23:48 | dcook | It is and the introduction of the cpanfile makes that much easier |
| 23:49 | Historically, the dependencies were stored in debian/control and C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm or something | |
| 23:49 | So you had to write your own script for downloading deps from CPAN | |
| 23:49 | By default, CPAN will give yout he latest version though and you don't always want that | |
| 23:49 | tuxayo | We have cpanfile? |
| 23:49 | *a | |
| 23:49 | dcook | In master we do |
| 23:50 | It's an interesting philosophical question | |
| 23:50 | tuxayo | > By default, CPAN will give yout he latest version though and you don't always want that |
| 23:50 | Maybe something like that could help? https://metacpan.org/pod/Carton | |
| 23:50 | > In master we do | |
| 23:50 | how is it named? | |
| 23:50 | dcook | Heh I was just about to mention that |
| 23:50 | It's just called "cpanfile" at the root of the git repo | |
| 23:50 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 23:51 | dcook | There are advantages to the Perl deps being Debian packages provided by Apt repos |
| 23:51 | And there are advantages to using CPAN and Carton to build a virtual environment | |
| 23:51 | Using CPAN and Carton could make cross-OS support much easier | |
| 23:51 | And with Plack it becomes quite easy | |
| 23:51 | tuxayo | huh, I wasn't on master. Indeed we have a cpanfile :D |
| 23:52 | dcook | Using a virtual environment with Carton is less easy when using CGI with Apache |
| 23:52 | Since it's using the shebang at the start of the files to determine the Perl executable to use | |
| 23:53 | But regardless of their relative merits, I figure inertia will carry us forward on the same path that we've been on for a long time | |
| 23:53 | Which means it's really best to use the latest Debian/Ubuntu supported by the community | |
| 23:53 | * dcook | hasn't used other OSes by choice but rather necessity |
| 23:54 | dcook | Since making a more recent move to Ubuntu, I've started contributing much more to Koha as well, because I'm running into the same issues as other people |
| 23:54 | On OpenSuse, many of my issues aren't faced by others, and vice versa | |
| 23:55 | tuxayo | > There are advantages to the Perl deps being Debian packages provided by Apt repos |
| 23:55 | I know having a package maintainer that isn't the developer give more trust. Are there other advantages? | |
| 23:55 | dcook | There are more people using Debian than there are people using Koha |
| 23:56 | So Perl packages in Debian repos will get more scrutiny and more aid from a security team | |
| 23:56 | from the Debian security team* | |
| 23:56 | CPAN is a bit of the wild west | |
| 23:56 | There's no QA | |
| 23:57 | Whereas it takes effort to get something into Debian | |
| 23:57 | It goes through testing and QA, etc | |
| 23:57 | So Debian Apt repo will be more stable than CPAN | |
| 23:57 | HTTP::OAI is a good example of that. The latest version on CPAN is broken. | |
| 23:57 | tuxayo | is our cpanfile requiring it? (the latest) |
| 23:57 | dcook | So Debian uses an older version, and I think even that version they've patched |
| 23:58 | I hope not. I'll look | |
| 23:58 | tuxayo | requires 'HTTP::OAI', '3.2'; |
| 23:58 | dcook | Yeah I think 3.28 is a good version |
| 23:58 | 4.x is terrible | |
| 23:58 | I've thought about taking over HTTP::OAI on CPAN, but I'm not *that* interested ;) |
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