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| 07:28 | magnuse | talljoy++ for volunteering! |
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| 07:36 | magnuse | woohoo, all the build statuses on the dashboard are green! |
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| 07:56 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:06 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 08:07 | magnuse | bonjour france |
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| 08:23 | liliputech_asu | bonjour magnuse :) |
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| 09:09 | ashimema | wow.. even MySQL8 is clean! |
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| 09:17 | Joubu | ashimema: we should screenshot the "build statuses" on thedashboard right now and replace the badges with it |
| 09:17 | * Joubu | is already writing the pull request |
| 09:19 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:19 | hiya lilipute1h_asu | |
| 09:37 | ashimema | haha |
| 09:38 | I'm so pleased with MySQL8 passing.. thanks for your work there Joubu | |
| 09:40 | Joubu | D10 is still failing however |
| 09:41 | ashimema | mmm, I am waiting on Mirko for an update on packaging.. |
| 09:41 | it's a dependancy mess I believe | |
| 09:59 | Joubu | @later tell rangi the translated versions of the manual are still not there. I was expecting a `git pull` on the server this night that would have triggered the gitlab-ci make_html, rsync commands. Am I missing something or just need to wait a bit more? |
| 09:59 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:18 | magnuse | ashimema: i have you ever seen something like bug 24043? |
| 10:18 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24043 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ILL module can't show requests from more than one backend |
| 10:19 | ashimema | hmm, I haven't.. I'll ask andrew |
| 10:19 | magnuse | awesome! |
| 10:25 | * magnuse | launches himself into lunch |
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| 10:28 | ashimema | Andrew Isherwood 10:26 |
| 10:28 | Sounds like the request status doesn't align with those defined in the backend, perhaps. Very hard to say without seeing it in action. I'd put some JS breakpoints in to see what meta.settings.oInit.originalData looks like for each row | |
| 10:43 | Joubu | @later tell rangi bugzilla 5.0.6 patch for the graph colors attached on bug 23672. They had the wonderful idea to perltidy all their files and switch from 4 spaces to 2 spaces indentation... (gonna add that idea to our next dev meeting agenda ;)) |
| 10:43 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:05 | ashimema | @seen lari |
| 11:05 | huginn | ashimema: lari was last seen in #koha 5 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <lari> Bug 23998 |
| 11:16 | paxed | the Koha_Plugin_Hooks wiki page doesn't seem to be up to date |
| 11:18 | inlibro joined #koha | |
| 11:30 | * ashimema | wonders if we should have a 'Plugin' section in bugzilla.. to track bugs in hooks, new and enhanced hooks |
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| 11:36 | Joubu | ashimema: there is "plugin architecture", not sure what is is |
| 11:36 | "Bugs associated with adding, updating, removing and fixing code related to plugin infrastructure with core Koha." | |
| 11:36 | ashimema | I literally just added it ;) |
| 11:37 | * ashimema | is going through release notes and spots lots of plugin related enhancements and things lost amonght the 'architecture' category |
| 11:37 | Joubu | ha :) |
| 11:37 | ashimema | I'm just going to label up all plugin hooks and enhancements with that component now.. should make tracking a little easier as it's a fast moving area of koha.. much like REST api is now. |
| 11:39 | I added 'architecture' into the name to try and make it clear it's not that we're supporting the plugins themselves.. but that this only concerns stuff in core pertaining to allowing plugins to be built | |
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| 11:56 | cait | hm is bug email working? |
| 11:57 | * ashimema | hasn't check his email today |
| 11:57 | * cait | waves |
| 11:58 | cait | https://lists.koha-community.o[…]/mailman/listinfo |
| 11:59 | ashimema | wierd |
| 11:59 | cait | yes |
| 11:59 | caroline_catlady joined #koha | |
| 11:59 | cait | it looks like a mailserver problem |
| 11:59 | the email you sent came through on koha - but that's the katipo server | |
| 11:59 | not biblibre's | |
| 11:59 | jajm: around? | |
| 11:59 | or lilipute1h_asu maybe? | |
| 12:02 | ashimema | did you see talljoy has stepped up for 19.11 rmaint :) |
| 12:02 | cait | no i didn't |
| 12:02 | had a bit of a slow start, i think i am getting a cold :( | |
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| 12:04 | cait | does someoen know who cares for the mail server at biblibre? laurent? |
| 12:05 | ashimema | pass |
| 12:07 | cait | hm |
| 12:10 | fridolin: ? | |
| 12:10 | matts: around? | |
| 12:10 | paul_p: ? | |
| 12:11 | reiveune: ? :) | |
| 12:11 | reiveune | ? |
| 12:11 | * cait | makes a lot of IRC clients light up |
| 12:11 | cait | hey :) |
| 12:11 | ashimema | Joubu might still have access? |
| 12:11 | reiveune | hi :) |
| 12:11 | cait | we noticed that thre is a problem with the mail server: https://lists.koha-community.o[…]istinfo/koha-bugs |
| 12:12 | it seems mails are not coming through from the biblibre mail server - can you ping the person responsible? | |
| 12:12 | reiveune | ok |
| 12:12 | cait | thank you |
| 12:13 | Joubu | I don't |
| 12:17 | cait: what about bug 24027, last 2 comments? | |
| 12:17 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24027 normal, P5 - low, ---, nugged, ASSIGNED , Adding multiple items is slow |
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| 12:18 | cait | Joubu: sorry, not sure i understand the issue yet and lacking time to test right now |
| 12:19 | Joubu | page is too heavy when thousands of items are displayed on the add items form |
| 12:22 | kidclamp maybe? ^ | |
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| 12:28 | kidclamp | There is a pref on the details page to show or not if there are many |
| 12:28 | Maybe similar? | |
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| 12:31 | Joubu | kidclamp: do we? Do you remember the name of the pref? |
| 12:31 | kidclamp | opac only, sorry |
| 12:31 | OpacMaxItemsToDisplay | |
| 12:31 | Joubu | we have for the batch item mod/del |
| 12:32 | kidclamp | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13680 |
| 12:32 | huginn | Bug 13680: minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Items list on edit items page separates add items form from header and sidebar |
| 12:32 | kidclamp | relatedish |
| 12:33 | the problem though is that we do want to see the items so we can choose which to edit | |
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| 12:34 | Joubu | yes but not similar, 24027 is about perf issues |
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| 12:37 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:37 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 12:37 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 12:40 | * oleonard | is happy to have a working devbox again after two weeks without |
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| 12:48 | * magnuse | prepares for a deluge of patches from oleonard |
| 12:48 | oleonard | :D Lots of other work to do, so if you do see them you know I'm procrastinating, magnuse |
| 12:49 | * oleonard | should never have fixed his devbox |
| 12:56 | tcohen | hola |
| 12:56 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 12:58 | tcohen | hehe, hope I can see you procrastinate a bit |
| 12:58 | fridolin | cait: indeed its Laurent, please mail me I'll forward |
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| 12:58 | caroline_ | hiyee! |
| 12:59 | ashimema | ooh.. docs meeting soon.. |
| 12:59 | I'd forgotten about that :) | |
| 13:00 | * caroline_ | is fending off cats from eating her breakfast |
| 13:01 | Marie-Luce joined #koha | |
| 13:01 | cait | fridolin: i think reiveune emailed him |
| 13:02 | reiveune | yes i do |
| 13:02 | fridolin | oki super |
| 13:02 | cait | fridolin: no mails comin in from the mailing lists today |
| 13:02 | fridolin | it happens ;) mailling is more and more difficult these days |
| 13:02 | cait | maybe the server just needs a reboot |
| 13:03 | * caroline_ | apologizes for any weird messages sent by her cats stepping on the keyboard |
| 13:03 | caroline_ | ;) |
| 13:03 | * thd | needs a reboot. |
| 13:03 | caroline_ | since davidnind doesn't seem to be around, should we start the meeting anyway? |
| 13:03 | Marie-Luce | Hi everyone |
| 13:04 | caroline_ | it's been a while since I've chaired... hopefully it goes well... |
| 13:05 | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019 | |
| 13:05 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 13:05:03 2019 UTC. The chair is caroline_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:05 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019) | |
| 13:05 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_14_november_2019' |
| 13:05 | caroline_ | #topic Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) |
| 13:05 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019) | |
| 13:05 | caroline_ | #Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montréal, Québec |
| 13:06 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 13:08 | Marie-Luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro, Montréal, Québec |
| 13:08 | caroline_ | ashimema, cait ? |
| 13:10 | #topic Review of action points | |
| 13:10 | Topic for #koha is now Review of action points (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019) | |
| 13:11 | caroline_ | First is review of Manager role |
| 13:11 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]tation_management | |
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| 13:12 | ashimema_ | |
| 13:12 | caroline_ | ashimema and I started documenting the role |
| 13:12 | if you have anything to add, please do :) | |
| 13:13 | Yesterday at the general meeting, we voted on the new team | |
| 13:13 | However, anybody who wants to join the team mid-cycle is welcome!! | |
| 13:13 | Send me an email or a @later if you're not sure how to contribute | |
| 13:14 | ashimema_ | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 13:14 | caroline_ | davidnind and I will be sharing the docs manager role |
| 13:14 | ashimema_ | If people do join caroline_, let me know and I can add them into the release notes that get generated |
| 13:14 | caroline_ | davidnind will continue the stellar job he has been doing for orienting the docs strategy |
| 13:15 | davidnind++ | |
| 13:15 | ashimema_ | I'm excited by the two of you working it between you.. we benefit from both your strengths :) |
| 13:15 | caroline_ | and I will do the nitty gritty, like populate Taiga and merging requests |
| 13:16 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 13:16 | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe | |
| 13:16 | caroline_ | lol ashimema I think you have a problem with your IRC client again XD |
| 13:17 | branching off for a second | |
| 13:17 | thd | changing identity should give a problem |
| 13:17 | caroline_ | thd has taken the role of wiki curator |
| 13:17 | and will continue his hard work of updating the wiki | |
| 13:17 | thd++ | |
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| 13:18 | * thd | has long been secret curator except for a long bout of spending all his time helping elderly neighbours and friends with serious problems. |
| 13:18 | caroline_ | I'm not very technical, but if there is anything I can do to help, I'm happy to (I can test) |
| 13:19 | thd | Testing should be very soon. |
| 13:19 | caroline_ | :( I hope your neighbours are better... |
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| 13:19 | Marie-Luce | I've some spare time, but I'm not too sure how can I help |
| 13:19 | thd | Sadly my neighbour passed on which gives me time for Koha again. |
| 13:20 | caroline_ | :( |
| 13:20 | Marie-Luce | sorry to hear this |
| 13:20 | thd | I kept her going eight years when her diagnosis was six months. |
| 13:21 | caroline_ | back to DM role, ashimema_ has also been documenting the DM transition workflow |
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| 13:22 | sev_q | Hello #oha ! |
| 13:23 | caroline_ | davidnind and I have both been dm before, so I'm not sure this applies for this cycle, but we will have to test it eventually |
| 13:24 | #topic Project updates | |
| 13:24 | Topic for #koha is now Project updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019) | |
| 13:25 | caroline_ | current ongoing projects are : content development guide |
| 13:25 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Development_Guide | |
| 13:25 | thd | I hope that many tests for wiki migration and then updating will be automated with diffs etc. |
| 13:27 | caroline_ | Wiki update and curator role is also an ongoing project |
| 13:27 | :) | |
| 13:27 | also Git guide for non-developers (Marie-Luce, maybe you could help with this as you are new to git) | |
| 13:28 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]for_documentation | |
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| 13:28 | * ashimema_ | will read that one and see if anything stands out.. not looked at it in a while |
| 13:28 | caroline_ | also Automated screenshots, Joubu and davidnind were both working on this independently I think |
| 13:29 | Not sure there's been any progress | |
| 13:29 | And finally, three other of davidnind's babies, Installation guide, Getting started guide and Reorganising manual contents | |
| 13:30 | Marie-Luce | I can work on git guide for documentation. It will be a good way to learn |
| 13:31 | caroline_ | It was not mentionned in the agenda, but davidnind also worked on a documentation strategy plan, which I'm in love with |
| 13:31 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]umentation_-_Plan | |
| 13:31 | It's a complete rethinking of the documentation for Koha | |
| 13:32 | ashimema_ | Interesting.. I'll have a read of that shortly |
| 13:32 | caroline_ | He talked a bit about it in his talk at KohaCon19 |
| 13:33 | ashimema_ | I was leading an alternate talk I think during that one :( |
| 13:33 | so missed it. | |
| 13:33 | caroline_ | aw... :( |
| 13:34 | Wasn't it during the conference part? | |
| 13:34 | ashimema_ | Translation workflow is slowly starting to come together too |
| 13:34 | I think it was one of the workshops | |
| 13:34 | I might be wrong | |
| 13:34 | caroline_ | he did a workshop too, but he did a talk |
| 13:35 | anyway, I'm conscious of the time... Translation workflow was a subtopic in What's been done so far | |
| 13:35 | which we're getting to | |
| 13:36 | #topic What's been done so far | |
| 13:36 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019) | |
| 13:36 | caroline_ | lucyvh, myself and cait have been submitting merge requests for the manual |
| 13:37 | keep up the good work team!! | |
| 13:37 | Now we'll embark on the changes for 19.11 and I hope we can do 20.05 at the same time | |
| 13:37 | we're a bit behind | |
| 13:37 | ashimema_ | have you guys got a process worked out for maintaining the different versions? |
| 13:38 | I'm still a little out of touch on the docs flow front. | |
| 13:38 | caroline_ | I wanted to ask, from now on, since we'll be working in several versions at the same time, make sure to write which version(s) your change applies to so I can merge it on the right manual |
| 13:38 | #action caroline_catlady will work on a system for managing several manual branches at the same time | |
| 13:39 | ashimema_ | I 'think' gitlab will let you do that at the merge request end.. i.e. ask to merge into branch x instead of merge into master |
| 13:39 | caroline_ | #info when submitting merge requests, please indicate which koha version it applies to |
| 13:39 | It does | |
| 13:39 | And I can also cherry pick on to another branch | |
| 13:39 | technically, everything should go on master | |
| 13:40 | ashimema_ | do you tend to do all your work in gitlab, or do you have a local copy of git which you use for managing ? |
| 13:40 | caroline_ | unless something was removed |
| 13:40 | ashimema_ | brill |
| 13:40 | caroline_ | I work on the manual from a local repo, but the managing stuff I do on gitlab |
| 13:41 | ashimema_ | I'm happy to give some lessons on cherry-picking and things if you like |
| 13:41 | caroline_ | gitlab makes it very easy (there's litterally a button that says cherry pick and you choose which branch) |
| 13:41 | but I'm open to learning how to do it command line to :) | |
| 13:42 | ashimema_ | great :) |
| 13:42 | * ashimema_ | isn't so familiar with gitlab ui.. :) |
| 13:42 | caroline_ | ok, about the translation workflow! |
| 13:42 | what did we decide? | |
| 13:42 | cait | oops, missing hte meeting? |
| 13:43 | caroline_ | hi cait! |
| 13:43 | cait | hi |
| 13:43 | too late? | |
| 13:43 | caroline_ | we're getting to the translation workflow for the manual |
| 13:43 | I saw the discussions, but I don't know if we decided anything yet | |
| 13:44 | cait | I didn't get any feedback on the paper Martin and I wrote - ashimema, have you touched base with bernardo since? |
| 13:45 | ashimema_ | well, initially I just wanted to try and make sure the regular rebuilds of the manual were working for the various branches.. at the moment I think the only 'living document' is the master branch.. but it's been getting pushed regularly to the 19.05 manual |
| 13:45 | cait | one thig maybe to discuss is when to branch out the manuals |
| 13:45 | * cait | has to keep an eye on her lunch cooking |
| 13:45 | ashimema_ | once I've got that side of it sorted I wanted to look at automating pulling in translations from translate.koha-community.org |
| 13:47 | I'm currently reading the scripts on the translate server to get a better understanding of how it all fits together before proposing next steps ;) | |
| 13:47 | caroline_ | for the manual branches, I suggested that we create one as soon as the cycle begins so we can work on it as the developpers add things |
| 13:47 | ashimema_ | I think 19.11 should be branched off on the day of the release (same time as I branch the koha code branch off) |
| 13:48 | caroline_ | but it means more work on managing branches for the dm |
| 13:48 | ashimema_ | then the 'master' manual branch effectively follows 20.05 |
| 13:48 | that's how we work in koha code development | |
| 13:49 | so 'master' == 20.05 before it's released.. then 20.11 once 20.05 is released.. then 21.05 etc etc. | |
| 13:49 | caroline_ | ok makes sense |
| 13:50 | ashimema_ | so master is the living document.. then things that aught to be backported (i.e are 'fixes' and not 'additions/enhancements/new features') get cherry-picked into the 'stable' docs branches |
| 13:50 | the issue I see here is that if I'm not mistaken you guys generally are a few months behind on documentation? | |
| 13:50 | caroline_ | ok so right now, we should have master and 19.11 and before |
| 13:51 | yes -_- | |
| 13:51 | ashimema_ | so in effect you're rapidly playing catch up for the first few months of each cycle |
| 13:51 | caroline_ | I'd like us to be more up to date... |
| 13:51 | ashimema_ | that would be great |
| 13:51 | caroline_ | That's why I want to work on getting the release notes in taiga for everyone to work on |
| 13:51 | asap | |
| 13:52 | ashimema_ | is there's anything we can do with bugzilla or whatever to help track what 'bugs' get backported into the stable branches.. so you know better what manual changes also need corresponding backports? |
| 13:52 | what do you mean 'getting the release notes in taiga'? | |
| 13:53 | caroline_ | oh I hadn't thought of that part... but the bugs that usually get backported don't need documentation since theyre fixing things that should already work |
| 13:53 | ashimema_ | well.. usually ;) |
| 13:53 | but sometimes a fix clarifies some usage or changes wording | |
| 13:53 | caroline_ | I read through the release notes diffs and add tasks in taiga for bugs that mean changes in the manual |
| 13:53 | ashimema_ | cait , any comments on there.. |
| 13:54 | once a release is done should the manual be pretty much static? | |
| 13:54 | caroline_ | I think so, unless were behind like right now |
| 13:54 | ashimema_ | oh cool.. I'm still working on tidying up the release notes btw ;) |
| 13:54 | cait | i think we are not quite there yet |
| 13:55 | but in the future maybe - we could have a 'docs' freeze :) | |
| 13:55 | ashimema_ | trying to go through every bug and traige it to make sure it's labelled correctly in terms of component, severity, enhancement/new feature or bug etc and then add small summaries for enhancements and new features. |
| 13:55 | cait | howhard is it to cherry-pick with the gitlab giu? |
| 13:55 | caroline_ | not hard at all |
| 13:55 | cait | cool |
| 13:55 | caroline_ | I can do it :) |
| 13:56 | cait | i think there are some 'pros' to branching |
| 13:56 | ashimema_ | agreed |
| 13:56 | cait | - help links from Koha go to the manual - so if there is no 19.11 manual... do they work? |
| 13:56 | - we could publish a link to the 19.11 manual in the release notes | |
| 13:57 | - we will have a 19.11 manual on the website... | |
| 13:57 | so a lot of pros to branching out i think | |
| 13:57 | thd | On many large projects documentation is somewhat behind the code which is almost inevitable. A docs freeze if it could work would not realistically work at the same time as a code freeze. |
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| 13:57 | ashimema_ | For a cycle a few cycles back we did have a development version of the manual running.. that was cool as, as a developer you could look at the manual for new features to see if they existed or not (and links worked I believe) |
| 13:57 | caroline_ | Can we branch out on the day of feature freeze? |
| 13:58 | ashimema_ | branching at feature freeze would be fine by me.. though I'm not sure if it would win you much... |
| 13:58 | cait | it would win some time maybe |
| 13:58 | for bernardo to set up the manual po projects etc | |
| 13:59 | ashimema_ | if you're still expecting the workflow to be 'merge to master -> backport to branches' then you'd just be making that 'backport to branches' step a requirement a few weeks earlier in the process |
| 13:59 | that is certainly true cait.. | |
| 13:59 | that makes allot of sense actually.. | |
| 13:59 | we could branch 19.11 manual now so that translation can start now..even if the manual isn't complete yet? | |
| 14:00 | thd | If only all code patches required complete documentation for the manual. |
| 14:00 | cait | usually, when the strings don't change, you don't have to retranslate, only changes |
| 14:00 | so you can start translating and most of it will stay the same | |
| 14:01 | caroline_ | we do do a lot of de-capitalization and review (anyway, I do) |
| 14:01 | ashimema_ | I do think that a monthly string freeze anouncement for the manual would be good... I imagine the first 2 maybe 3 months of a new stable the manual for that version gets updated a lot (doing catch up).. having translators know they need to go and translate the updates once a month is likely going to yield better results that expecting they'll be watching the repo and translating as you go. |
| 14:01 | cait | i think ideally a change to a stable branch should trigger a po file update |
| 14:01 | ashimema_ | haha.. funny you should say that thd.. that's been on my list for a while. |
| 14:01 | I've actually added some bugzilla searches to try and encourage the big commiters to keep up with documenting their new features. | |
| 14:03 | caroline_ | I don't want to interrupt this conversation, but I'm aware that we are over our hour |
| 14:03 | cait | whatever we do, let's write up the process :) |
| 14:03 | caroline_diplomatic! :) | |
| 14:03 | ashimema_ | +1 |
| 14:03 | caroline_ | I was going to suggest to write it up and discuss next meeting? |
| 14:03 | cait | ok, do we have something to #info or #agreed? |
| 14:04 | caroline_ | I don't feel like we've agreed on anything |
| 14:04 | ashimema_ | indeed |
| 14:04 | caroline_ | cait, can you write the pros to branching and ashimema_ can you write the cons? |
| 14:04 | cait | so .. next step? |
| 14:05 | hm | |
| 14:05 | I can try to writ eup something and Martin can add to it | |
| 14:05 | but I will take a bit - i have some errands to run first | |
| 14:05 | where shoudl we put it? | |
| 14:05 | caroline_ | During this cycle, I will see how hard it is to manage several branches, and I will be better able to make a decision |
| 14:05 | ashimema_ | Joubu is around now.. I think he's also got allot to input in that area.. we can get his input a bit too |
| 14:06 | caroline_ | yes, much expertise stored in Joubu :) |
| 14:06 | cait | wiki? |
| 14:06 | ashimema_ | +1 |
| 14:06 | caroline_ | wiki or google docs, whatever is fine |
| 14:06 | cait | ok |
| 14:06 | caroline_ | it's just a working document |
| 14:06 | cait | ashimema: can oyu set up a page and send me the link maybe? |
| 14:07 | thd | google docs is non-free software eating your soul. |
| 14:07 | Joubu | about the translation, we are dealing with it on the issue. Bernardo, Chris and me. We will write down how it works, when we will remember :D |
| 14:07 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]-manual/issues/13 | |
| 14:07 | caroline_ | thd framapad then? :) |
| 14:07 | thd | :) |
| 14:08 | cait | start something please :) I am willing to add to whatever |
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| 14:08 | Joubu | Something else, I am certainly off topic, sorry: |
| 14:08 | caroline_ | #action ashimema_ will create a wiki page to discuss branching out the manual |
| 14:08 | ashimema_ | stick it on the wiki |
| 14:09 | caroline_ | #action cait will discuss branching out on the wiki |
| 14:09 | ashimema_ | I'll catch you up in PM Joubu |
| 14:09 | Joubu | k |
| 14:09 | caroline_ | I will skip the next steps as that is pretty much what we just did and go to final topic |
| 14:09 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 14:09 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019) | |
| 14:10 | caroline_ | 11 december is already taken up by general meeting I think |
| 14:10 | do we want 12 december? | |
| 14:11 | could we do it later so david can join? | |
| 14:11 | ashimema_ | sounds good to me. |
| 14:11 | thd | I may miss a mid December meeting while travelling to California for a couple of weeks. |
| 14:11 | ashimema_ | December meetings are always challenging.. that time of year and all |
| 14:12 | I'd just schedule it and hope people can attend ;) | |
| 14:12 | caroline_ | yeah parties and stuff :) |
| 14:12 | ashimema_ | yup |
| 14:13 | thd | I will definitely attend if the electricity is working and I can otherwise. |
| 14:13 | caroline_ | #info Next meeting: 12 December 2019, 19 UTC |
| 14:13 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:13 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 14:13 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 14:13:48 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:13 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-14-13.05.html | |
| 14:13 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]9-11-14-13.05.txt | |
| 14:13 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]14-13.05.log.html | |
| 14:14 | caroline_ | phew! |
| 14:14 | I saw the translation rate has gone down for my language :) | |
| 14:14 | ashimema_ | caroline_++ |
| 14:14 | thanks :) | |
| 14:14 | oleonard | caroline_++ |
| 14:14 | caroline_ | 95% translated |
| 14:15 | thank you all for your time, sorry it was longer that usual | |
| 14:16 | ok I'm off to the office, bbl | |
| 14:17 | cait | caroline_catlady++ |
| 14:17 | * oleonard | brb |
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| 14:28 | cait | there are too many caroline_catlady today |
| 14:28 | oleonard | No such thing |
| 14:29 | cait | true |
| 14:32 | * thd | has to go to work today and needs more sleep |
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| 14:34 | ashimema_ | @later tell rangi Any chance you could look at the apache config on www.koha-community.org.. a few of the translated manuals, like https://koha-community.org/man[…]e/html/index.html are giving a 403 permissions error |
| 14:34 | huginn | ashimema_: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:50 | Joubu | @later tell rangi found that error: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Stemmer'" from gitlab, I guess that would explain something went wrong during the generation of the manual translations |
| 14:50 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:54 | Joubu | @later tell rangi, ok added to the .gitlab-ci for 19.05 and see what's happening next, I am stopping molesting you now. |
| 14:54 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:00 | Joubu | @later tell rangi (maybe not *right now*) We need gitlab-ci for stable branch actually, Martin and me are on it. So basically you clean your window with all what I told you today ;) |
| 15:00 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:09 | caroline_catlady | hello again! |
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| 15:16 | tcohen | later |
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| 15:30 | oleonard | Oh no kohadevbox working but sync_repo not :( |
| 15:31 | Somehow my work from yesterday is in the VM but changes from today don't show up there | |
| 15:33 | cait | :( |
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| 16:06 | * ashimema_ | prays |
| 16:07 | cait joined #koha | |
| 16:08 | cait | argh, laptop ran out of battery |
| 16:08 | mailing list server is still dead? | |
| 16:09 | oleonard | Oh is that why there's no bugzilla traffic? |
| 16:10 | * oleonard | is accustomed to a steady trickle at least |
| 16:10 | ashimema_ | yup |
| 16:10 | * talljoy | goes to find more bugs to assign to oleonard |
| 16:11 | ashimema_ | well.. that and I've not looked at bugzilla today.. been working on other things that were put off before string freeze |
| 16:11 | today has been my catch up on other things day | |
| 16:11 | ooh talljoy is here :) | |
| 16:11 | * oleonard | couldn't work on a bug even if he wanted to, which he does |
| 16:11 | ashimema_ | thanks for stepping up to fill the gap in our rmaints talljoy :) |
| 16:11 | talljoy | sorry about your devbox |
| 16:11 | my pleasure ashimema | |
| 16:12 | ashimema_ | tcohen had an issue earlier with sync_repo oleonard.. |
| 16:12 | not sure what it was. | |
| 16:12 | talljoy | i look forward to it, if the community doesn't object to throwing my name in |
| 16:12 | oleonard | Oh I didn't see that news, talljoy! Thank you very much |
| 16:12 | ashimema_ | certainly not, welcome aboard, the more he merrier. |
| 16:13 | if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.. I'll be dropping an email around to the rmaints some time in the next week or so to 'onboard' everyone.. basically reminding people where documentation for the role is, offering any assistance, asking for public keys so I can get you all setup for pushing etc.. | |
| 16:13 | I'm trying to be organised this time around :) | |
| 16:14 | talljoy | organized is a good thing! |
| 16:16 | ashimema_ | cait I think between Joubu and I we may have got translations building properly for the manual.. |
| 16:16 | I'm just watching the job running now | |
| 16:17 | building the manual is a very long job it seems | |
| 16:17 | cait | oleonard: yeah i miss the emails too ... lots of my workflow depends ont he mails |
| 16:17 | I sent an email to lds from Biblibre, ashimema - cc | |
| 16:18 | and thx talljoy! | |
| 16:18 | let me know if I can help | |
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| 16:19 | talljoy | i will cait! |
| 16:19 | cait | ashimema sounds good |
| 16:20 | ashimema: working on the po file transfer already too or just building the manuals for now? | |
| 16:20 | ashimema_ | a little of both |
| 16:20 | right now half the manuals on the website go to a 403 dead end page | |
| 16:20 | I'm fixing that at the minute | |
| 16:21 | If that works, next job is to get each of the branches building and pushing to the right branch.. i.e at the moment the development version of the manual gets pushed to the 19.05 links on the website | |
| 16:21 | I'm fixing that | |
| 16:21 | then.. it'll be automating pulling in translations | |
| 16:23 | cait | keeping fingers crossed |
| 16:23 | and a big thanks to everyone owrking on this | |
| 16:24 | ashimema++ Joubu++ | |
| 16:25 | caroline_catlady | yes thank you! ashimema_++ Joubu++ |
| 16:27 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #55: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_U18/55/ |
| 16:27 | ashimema_ | interesting.. |
| 16:27 | who prompted a Jenkins build | |
| 16:28 | oh.. 19.05.. not me :) | |
| 16:29 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #56: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.05_D9/56/ |
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| 16:30 | bag | !bang |
| 16:30 | AnnaBoten | There is no hunt right now! You can start a hunt with the 'start' command |
| 16:31 | cait | hi bag |
| 16:31 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #54: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.05_D8/54/ |
| 16:40 | * caroline_catlady | will forever imagine bag as yosemite sam entering the salloon guns ablazin' |
| 16:40 | bag | hehe |
| 16:41 | I don’t have the correct mustache | |
| 16:41 | talljoy | or hat |
| 16:41 | caroline_catlady | or ginger hair |
| 16:41 | oleonard | https://media.giphy.com/media/[…]rf0pgty/giphy.gif |
| 16:42 | caroline_catlady | oleonard: exactly! lol! |
| 16:42 | yosemite bag | |
| 16:42 | bag | :D |
| 16:44 | cait | :) |
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| 16:59 | * cait | translates and sighs |
| 16:59 | sends cookies to caroline_catlady | |
| 16:59 | caroline_catlady | ooh free cookies! |
| 17:00 | why are you sighing? | |
| 17:00 | too much work? | |
| 17:06 | cait | ... and boring! |
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| 17:07 | caroline_catlady | I find it's a good mindless activity when I need to switch off |
| 17:08 | speaking of translating, what is the difference between a "key map" and a "keyboard shortcut"? | |
| 17:12 | cait | caroline_catlady not sure... |
| 17:12 | maybe the shortcut is what you create by the key map? | |
| 17:12 | caroline_catlady | ok... I think I will just use the translation for keyboard shortcut... |
| 17:13 | trying to translate "More documentation on defining key maps" | |
| 17:13 | I don't feel like the documentation is very useful to the end user but whatevs | |
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| 18:06 | tcohen | ashimema: it would be great if 19.11 had the OAuth2 dependencies issue solved :-D |
| 18:08 | @later tell fridolin please consider 22280 for 19.05.x | |
| 18:08 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:45 | reiveune | bye |
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| 19:13 | * cait | waves |
| 19:18 | kidclamp | @later tell fridolin I don't think 23484 belongs in 19.05 |
| 19:18 | huginn | kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:19 | oleonard | Hi kidclamp |
| 19:19 | kidclamp | hi oleopard |
| 19:31 | cait | bug 23484 |
| 19:31 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23484 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to stable , Holds to pull (pendingreserves.pl) uses removed default_branch_item_rules table |
| 19:31 | cait | hm ouch |
| 19:31 | kidclamp: you should email him, he asked me to email him if there is something like that last meeting | |
| 19:37 | kidclamp | kk |
| 19:40 | oleonard | I'd like to announce that my devbox is NOT fixed (it's fixed) because SAYING it's fixed (it is) might jinx the whole thing |
| 19:40 | cait | understood |
| 19:40 | unfixed, totally | |
| 19:41 | caroline_catlady | still not fixed, got it |
| 19:47 | oleonard | HAHAHA IT'S NOT ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨ |
| 19:48 | rsync doesn't recognize new changes to the host files after the devbox starts | |
| 19:51 | ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | is that you putting the table back down |
| 19:52 | or getting ready to flip it | |
| 19:53 | oleonard | Putting it back down... but nobody saw me flip the table so I can see the confusion |
| 19:55 | Codemirror's documentation is making me want to flip that table again | |
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| 19:59 | * oleonard | will exercise the furniture more tomorrow |
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| 20:23 | wizzyrea | hazard warning, I'm going to be breaking the manuals on the website for a short time |
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| 20:33 | wizzyrea | should be back now |
| 20:40 | do please sing out if anything seems wrong there - we just needed a bit more space on the server! | |
| 20:40 | so I gave it some! | |
| 20:43 | ashimema | wizzyrea. What did you do to the manuals? |
| 20:47 | * ashimema_ | just wonders as he's been trying to get the translations working a fair chunk of this afternoon |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | added disk space so that the website would continue working :) |
| 21:02 | afk kiddo pickup time | |
| 21:05 | ashimema_ | Aha, I see.. |
| 21:05 | Did my last build cause full disks.. if it did.. sorry about that. | |
| 21:19 | caroline_catlady | cait still around? |
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| 21:20 | caroline_catlady | or I think wizzyrea could answer my question |
| 21:21 | I trying to document what bug 7088 does, and there are a lot of comments and the test plan is a bit confusing... | |
| 21:21 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7088 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, RESOLVED FIXED, Cannot renew items on hold even with override |
| 21:21 | caroline_catlady | I don't have the checkbox to renew my item, is that normal? |
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| 21:22 | caroline_catlady | https://snipboard.io/JuYvUh.jpg |
| 21:23 | and before you ask, yes, AllowRenewalOnHoldOverride is on Allow | |
| 21:24 | and I have superibrarian permissions | |
| 21:31 | lisettelatah | caroline_catlady I think you have to click the "Override renewal restrictions:" checkbox below the table. |
| 21:31 | cait | kind fo around, reading back |
| 21:31 | lisettelatah: was missing your name on the release team list! ;) | |
| 21:32 | lisettelatah | cait, I forgot to go add it until he'd called for the vote. I was thinking the meeting was next week for some reason and just happened to be in chat when it started. |
| 21:32 | caroline_catlady | aaahh! Thanks lisettelatah! I hadn't noticed the checkbox |
| 21:32 | thanks so much! | |
| 21:32 | cait | lisettelatah: i think noone would complain if you added it now :) |
| 21:33 | lisettelatah | cait: if you're sure, I'd be happy to be a bug wrangler again. |
| 21:33 | cait | rangi: caroline_catlady: are we sure? :) |
| 21:33 | caroline_catlady | we are sure |
| 21:33 | (that was a royal we btw, I'm not speaking for rangi) | |
| 21:34 | cait | lol |
| 21:34 | rangi | yep, just add it |
| 21:34 | cait | for a second I thought this wouldn't work :) |
| 21:34 | lisettelatah | thanks! I'll do it right now! |
| 21:36 | cait: Thanks for reporting that capitalization bug yesterday. It came right when I was looking for a first patch to write. | |
| 21:38 | cait | :) |
| 21:38 | i was just looking for your tweet | |
| 21:38 | can you give me the number? | |
| 21:39 | bug 24033 might be another not too hard one | |
| 21:39 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24033 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fix column labelling on basket summary page (ecost) |
| 21:40 | cait | never mind, i found it :) |
| 21:43 | lisettelatah | thanks for another one, I'm looking at the code for that page now. |
| 21:48 | cait | lisettelatah: it might take a bit until it can go in - we just got into "String freeze" |
| 21:48 | but it will go in for sure | |
| 21:48 | ashimema_ | More than happy to have lisettelatah on team.. |
| 21:49 | cait | passing qa on your patch now - so it will be ready to go after release |
| 21:51 | lisettelatah | cait thanks for letting me know. I knew the string freeze was coming when I wrote it yesterday, I so I knew it wouldn't likely be done before that. |
| 21:51 | thanks ashimema_ | |
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| 22:09 | ashimema_ | Yay, wizzyrea fixed the last step that was failing for us in the manual translations |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 22:10 | caroline_catlady | wizzyrea++ ashimema++ |
| 22:10 | isn't it late for you ashimema_ ? | |
| 22:10 | ashimema_ | It is.. but I couldn't help myself but look |
| 22:11 | So.. see more have both 19.11 and 19.05 building in all languages woop woop. 😀 | |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | wait what |
| 22:11 | lol | |
| 22:11 | what'd I do? | |
| 22:11 | ashimema_ | Your adding disk space |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | oh made space. |
| 22:11 | :D | |
| 22:12 | well jeez kids | |
| 22:12 | you shoulda told me sooner. | |
| 22:12 | i mean all you gotta do is ask :P | |
| 22:12 | ashimema_ | It meant that when I triggered a rebuild safety that it passed instead of failing.. |
| 22:12 | Missy have been the rsync that was dieing | |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | wait wait your builds were failing bc of the server out of space? |
| 22:13 | ashimema_ | I had no idea that was the issue.. well, I had a hunch this afternoon but you asked if before I managed to ask you . |
| 22:13 | 😀 | |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | oh, ha it was just coincidence that I logged in today |
| 22:14 | WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS OUT OF SPACE WTAF | |
| 22:14 | ashimema_ | The build had a final step of rsyncing to the server |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 22:14 | ashimema_ | Butmm gitlab runners don't give us the full build log so we could uldnt actually read the relevant error |
| 22:14 | Fun | |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | hm not fun well I am glad to have been helpful :) |
| 22:15 | the problem helped me through a rather long and tedious meeting. >.> | |
| 22:16 | ashimema_ | It's made me happy.. but hopefully made lots of other people more happy.. I can't read Spanish anyways myself.. lol |
| 22:16 | Hehe, | |
| 22:16 | Right cloxking off now. Bed time | |
| 22:16 | See ya | |
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| 22:28 | wizzyrea | a question you can answer later, is how many more translations we should expect - because the new disk I put in is already 64% full ^.^ |
| 22:28 | another 10G is $1 more a month. | |
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| 23:53 | corilynn | anyboo around for a process question? |
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