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| 07:36 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:57 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 08:19 | andreashm | Salut! |
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| 08:30 | andreashm | hi pizza-magnuse! |
| 08:35 | magnuse | tjänare andreashm |
| 08:38 | * andreashm | waves a miniature Norwegian flag |
| 08:40 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:40 | 🇸🇪 | |
| 08:48 | ashimema | mornin' |
| 08:50 | magnuse | kia ora ashimema |
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| 09:55 | sev_q | Bonjour Koha ! |
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| 10:54 | lilipute1h_asu | sev_q: salut :) |
| 10:54 | sev_q | salut liliputech_asu ! |
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| 11:15 | liliputech_asu | bon appétit! |
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| 12:35 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:37 | calire | hi oleonard |
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| 13:21 | magnuse | hm, if plack is running and you restart the server, plack should start up again automatically, shouldn't it? |
| 13:22 | ashimema | anyone on QA fancy picking up bug 23765 |
| 13:22 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23765 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , After TranslateNotices is set to 'Don't allow', email settings still show multiple languages |
| 13:23 | oleonard | Complaining: Why can't we add to a patron list or do batch patron modification by borrowernumber? |
| 13:35 | magnuse | because no one implemented it yet? |
| 13:36 | Joubu | IIRC "borrowernumber is an internal id, librarians do not use it and do not need it" |
| 13:37 | but, well, yes, same for biblionumber and itemnumber ;) | |
| 13:37 | oleonard | Librarians might find themselves needing to batch update patron records without card numbers |
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| 13:52 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: One more occurrence of datecancellationprinted <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ce4859b9035d5c558> |
| 13:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '' in C4/Acquisition.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d39211ab4de8e19dd> | |
| 13:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '0000-00-00' in C4/Acquisition.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a32ca5711ae8127dd> | |
| 13:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '00-00-0000' in C4/Serials.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5ebf9567cf48e1709> | |
| 13:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '0000-00-00' in C4/Serials.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]71ff4a1ac9a3eaa38> | |
| 13:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '' in C4/Bookseller.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1e3acf569596db228> | |
| 13:52 | News from kohagit: Bug 24002: Incorrect DATE value: '00-00-0000' in NewsChannels.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]103781f2a44bdbee8> | |
| 13:58 | caroline_catlady | good morning! |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Hi caroline_catlady |
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| 14:22 | oleonard | - |
| 14:24 | ^ oleonard cleaning his keyboard with some reckless cursor focus | |
| 14:24 | caroline_catlady | oleonard: still trying hypens? |
| 14:24 | hehe! | |
| 14:24 | oleonard | I like your explanation better caroline_catlady |
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| 14:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #468: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/468/ |
| 14:35 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #999: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/999/ | |
| 14:37 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #531: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/531/ | |
| 14:38 | Joubu | we should teach wahanui to insult koha-jenkins |
| 14:39 | oleonard | Joubu: It's not koha-jenkins' fault! |
| 14:40 | Joubu | it's failing randomly, it's its fault |
| 14:42 | ashimema | grr.. I really don't understand why those fail on jenkins |
| 14:42 | I can't replicate them at all here | |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | timezone, race condition, incorrect time, tests run in different order |
| 14:49 | ashimema | ruled timezone and incorrect time out.. |
| 14:50 | Joubu | nope it looks like a network issue |
| 14:53 | sev_q | Bye Koha ! |
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| 15:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #11: NOW UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D9_My8/11/ |
| 15:23 | ashimema | Nearly there on m8 😀 |
| 15:23 | Thanks for all your hard work on that Joubu | |
| 15:24 | Joubu | Joonas around? |
| 15:25 | ashimema | kohaputti |
| 15:25 | kohaputti | Joubu, yup |
| 15:25 | ashimema | 😀 |
| 15:27 | kohaputti | Joubu, your last comment on squashing that you just sent: I disagree since RM or QA can make a mistake so no one is reviewing that step then |
| 15:28 | Joubu | mistake a squash? |
| 15:28 | kohaputti: I am the author of this guideline, so I am aware of it | |
| 15:29 | When I fail QA a patch I prefer to see the diff of the requested changes instead of a new patch. So I think others prefer as well | |
| 15:29 | kohaputti | Joubu, sure, the QA/RM person can squash to non-related commits accidentally |
| 15:29 | Joubu | review is much easier as it |
| 15:29 | kohaputti | two non-related* |
| 15:30 | okay, I prefer to have one patch fully working that I can review so I don't have to keep up like "oh but this is fixed in the later follow-up". | |
| 15:30 | ashimema | I tend to agree.. I like to see followups so I can see the individual bits are done |
| 15:30 | Joubu | unless you reviewed it maybe? |
| 15:31 | kohaputti | Joubu, my brain can't process too many follow-ups |
| 15:31 | Joubu | when I was RM I used to squash follow-up when history was not needed |
| 15:31 | ashimema | I must admit, I don't often squash as RM.. I probably should more but I actually find it good to have the commits to see the thought process |
| 15:31 | Joubu | and I am confident with QA and RM to squash when needed |
| 15:32 | ashimema | I nearly always check out such a branch and look at the set as a whole in other tools |
| 15:33 | Joubu | kohaputti: also, if you need a squashed view, you can still squash and git log, when squashed you cannot undo |
| 15:33 | basically what ashimema just said... too slow... | |
| 15:35 | kohaputti | okay, if you want to proceed with this then I think those commits that the author wants to squash should be marked explicitly so |
| 15:35 | like adding (squashme) (the same way we use (follow-up)).. Or maybe the RM/QA can check if the (follow-up) commits are from the same author | |
| 15:36 | * ashimema | is in school run, brb |
| 15:38 | kohaputti | In other projects I have worked we also submit a v2, v3, etc. and it has worked really well. In the v2, v3 etc. of the patch set we attach a cover letter describing the changes since last revision |
| 15:38 | e.g. linux kernel | |
| 15:45 | ashimema | For larger sets in also more than happy for people to just link to a GitHub/gitlab URL.. I find those very helpful for such cases.. a quick bug comment in bugzilla when there's a change is all that's needed. |
| 15:45 | * ashimema | is generally pretty pragmatic about these things... |
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| 15:49 | Joubu | tcohen: docker-compose.mariadb9.yml means default MariaDB version for D9? |
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| 15:52 | ashimema | correct |
| 15:52 | we could change the names to reflect the actual db server version instead.. | |
| 15:53 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #469: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/469/ |
| 15:53 | qalbaqali | Hi guys :) I am setting up koha on an ubuntu server. Looking at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ial_Configuration I want to have the URL to the library on 'library.com' and the admin panel to be on 'admin.library.com' for example. How would I set my koha-sites.conf variables to make this happen? |
| 15:53 | ashimema | I wasn't sure which way to jump on that one.. at the time I was thinking we'd try to support the default db server versions for each os version we supported.. but I think we're better off looking ahead and at more db versions in general now.. |
| 15:59 | Joubu | wizzyrea++ # race condition |
| 16:00 | ashimema | ? |
| 16:00 | eythian | itym "wiz+zyre+a" |
| 16:01 | Joubu | ashimema: bug 24022 |
| 16:01 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24022 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Z3950Responder tests are failing on D8 and U18 |
| 16:02 | ashimema | oh nice.. well spotted |
| 16:02 | Joubu | ha, no |
| 16:02 | it's actually the order | |
| 16:03 | or both :) | |
| 16:09 | well, maybe a cache issue actually | |
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| 16:16 | vfernandes | it's possible to get a Koha systempreferences in some custom Javascript? |
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| 16:17 | oleonard | vfernandes: I proposed something like that for the OPAC but it is still undeveloped |
| 16:17 | qalbaqali | Getting this error on a fresh install on Ubuntu 16, Mysql v14.14 - [Tue Nov 12 08:16:23 2019] install.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: BLOB, TEXT, GEOMETRY or JSON column 'changed_fields' can't have a default value at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/RunSQL.pm line 273. |
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| 16:17 | oleonard | Bug 17498 |
| 16:17 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Expose system preference values to JavaScript in the OPAC |
| 16:18 | qalbaqali | Is this a known issue? |
| 16:18 | Joubu | qalbaqali: bug 23579 |
| 16:18 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23579 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , error during web install: 'changed_fields' can't have a default value |
| 16:18 | Joubu | Try with MariaDB instead of MySQL |
| 16:18 | ashimema | mysql14.. |
| 16:18 | vfernandes | thanks oleonard |
| 16:19 | oleonard | vfernandes: Is it the OPAC you're asking about? |
| 16:19 | qalbaqali | do I need to re install koha again? Or is there somewhere to change the db configs? |
| 16:19 | Joubu | install mariadb-server, then restart koha-common, and try again |
| 16:19 | qalbaqali | alright thanks :) |
| 16:19 | Joubu | install mariadb-server, then restart koha-common, cross fingers, and try again |
| 16:20 | qalbaqali | Joubu: is koha-common a process that I need to restart? |
| 16:21 | Joubu | `service koha-common restart` |
| 16:21 | vfernandes | oleanard any systempreference (opac or intranet related) |
| 16:22 | for example: get the value of CircControl | |
| 16:24 | qalbaqali | Joubu: Failed to restart koha-common.service: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files See system logs and 'systemctl status koha-common.service' for details. |
| 16:24 | vfernandes | something like KOHA.preferences.CircControl |
| 16:24 | qalbaqali | ● koha-common.service - LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/koha-common; bad; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (exited) since Tue 2019-11-12 07:54:31 PST; 30min ago Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8) Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance... Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: WARNING: koha-plack requires so |
| 16:25 | Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: You can install them with: Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: sudo a2enmod headers proxy_http Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu koha-common[61414]: Error: you must provide at least one instance name Nov 12 07:54:31 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started LSB: Start required services for each Koha instance. | |
| 16:25 | Joubu | vfernandes: define it in the .tt: var your_pref_value = '[% Koha.Preference('your_pref') %]'; then access it in the .js, using the JS variable |
| 16:27 | qalbaqali: follow this guide https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages at the end pick MariaDB instead of MySQL (section "MariaDB or MySQL") | |
| 16:28 | qalbaqali | alright thank you Joubu :) Ill give it a try tomorrow |
| 16:28 | appreciate the help | |
| 16:28 | vfernandes | I will go with that solution Joubu |
| 16:28 | qalbaqali | The mysql fix is on the unstable? |
| 16:29 | Joubu | the MySQL fix (from 23579) is not released yet |
| 16:37 | ashimema | @later tell sev_q any chance you could take another look at bug 23767, I've added a followup to hopefully deal with the total available column now |
| 16:37 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:45 | * oleonard | waves to talljoy |
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| 17:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:23 | caroline_crazycatlady | anyone from PTFS-E around? |
| 18:23 | it's a bit late... | |
| 18:51 | any non-english-speaking library is using the freeform ill backend right now? | |
| 18:51 | trying to figure out how to translate the interface... | |
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| 19:05 | * caroline_crazycatlady | jumps on cait |
| 19:05 | caroline_crazycatlady | ah! cait! do you use the ill module? |
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| 19:12 | cait | hehe |
| 19:12 | i hope one day we will | |
| 19:12 | but we still need to build our own backend | |
| 19:12 | i have tested a bit a while ago, if it's something generic... maybe i can help | |
| 19:12 | * cait | tries to get out from under caroline_crazycatlady |
| 19:13 | caroline_crazycatlady | I'm just trying to figure out how to translate the interface |
| 19:15 | ugh, also, when I create a request, it doesn't appear in the list | |
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| 19:22 | cait | hm |
| 19:22 | i think i have bad news about translation | |
| 19:22 | they didn't make that possible | |
| 19:23 | rangi | oh yeah i remember you pointing that out |
| 19:23 | cait | a lot of strings come from the perl code of the module even... |
| 19:23 | caroline_crazycatlady | hm, that sucks |
| 19:23 | cait | and so all you can do is change your backend |
| 19:23 | yep | |
| 19:23 | and I will be happy to have other people point that out for a change | |
| 19:23 | because usually it's me | |
| 19:23 | caroline_crazycatlady | oh hi rangi! |
| 19:23 | rangi | thanks for the submissions caroline_crazycatlady ! |
| 19:23 | cait | and I am getting very tired of being the bad guy |
| 19:23 | let's be a team of bad guys... maybe get motorcycles | |
| 19:23 | rangi | :0 |
| 19:24 | caroline_crazycatlady | rangi: hopefully, it will get me a trip to nz hehe!! |
| 19:24 | if I give a talk, Eric will have to send me ;) | |
| 19:24 | rangi | :-) |
| 19:24 | caroline_crazycatlady | we could have badass librarian jackets |
| 19:25 | cait | oh yep |
| 19:26 | rangi | you could just have translation is important, and then translate it into tons of languages on your jacket :) |
| 19:29 | cait | :) |
| 19:30 | caroline_crazycatlady | blou is telling me we are going to change the backend so that it is translatable and submit it on the git... hopefully PTFS-E will accept the change |
| 19:30 | cait | caroline_crazycatlady: that sounds great |
| 19:30 | rangi | yay :) |
| 19:30 | cait | i have been wondering if we could put at least what tcohen figured out on the wiki for the plugins *coughs* |
| 19:31 | because it hink they found a way to do ti for the planned paypal plugin | |
| 19:31 | (moving it out of core code) | |
| 19:31 | so other plugin writers could adopt it | |
| 19:33 | caroline_crazycatlady | I think the freeform ILL should be core to Koha and then the other more specific ones as plugins |
| 19:33 | it makes no sense to me that I have to do all kinds of technical stuff in the conf file to get a basic feature | |
| 19:33 | oleonard | cait: What do you mean, "what tcohen figured out on the wiki for the plugins" ? |
| 19:36 | caroline_crazycatlady | I think she meant to write on the wiki what he figured out about the plugins |
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| 19:38 | cait | yep |
| 19:38 | i hoped his ears (or irc client) would be ringing :) | |
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| 19:38 | * cait | waves at kathryn |
| 19:38 | kathryn | hi cait :) |
| 19:44 | oleonard | See y'all later |
| 19:45 | magnuse | cait++ for being the bad guy |
| 19:46 | cait | magnuse: join our gang an dyou might get a cool jacket ;) |
| 19:47 | rangi | has magnuse submitted a talk yet? I dont think so! |
| 19:48 | * magnuse | needs a warm jacket |
| 19:48 | rangi | its warm in nz |
| 19:48 | hint hint | |
| 19:48 | :) | |
| 19:49 | magnuse | no talk submitted, but i might go anyway |
| 19:49 | hehe | |
| 19:50 | rangi | :) |
| 19:52 | we are thinking for sponsorhip ideas for this year, companies who send someone get an automatic listing as sponsored, so it could be librotech+2 if you and petter, bywater solutions+3 etc .. we'd rather have people come than spend money on sponsoring (both is cool too though hehe) | |
| 19:52 | magnuse | nice |
| 19:52 | anyone tried unattended-upgrades on a koha server? | |
| 19:53 | rangi | yep |
| 19:53 | but koha-common is blacklisted | |
| 19:53 | on our production machines that is | |
| 19:53 | magnuse | yeah, that was what i was thinking of |
| 19:53 | rangi | it works well |
| 19:54 | magnuse | kewl! |
| 19:54 | on debian, right? | |
| 19:54 | rangi | yup |
| 19:54 | next thing is bring our servers up to buster | |
| 19:54 | over the next few months | |
| 19:55 | magnuse | and buster is... 10? |
| 19:55 | rangi | yup |
| 19:56 | we have most on 9 (stretch) but still a couple of jessie ones too | |
| 19:56 | magnuse | sometimes there is a package that updates a configfile that has been edited manually, and when you run apt-get update you get a question to display the diff, keep the old or replace with the new. how does unattended-upgrades handle that? |
| 19:57 | * magnuse | has some servers on jessie too |
| 19:58 | rangi | you can specify it's behaviour |
| 19:58 | with Dpkg::Options | |
| 19:58 | https://raphaelhertzog.com/201[…]-managed-by-dpkg/ | |
| 19:58 | you can put these in your 50-unattended-upgrades file | |
| 19:59 | like | |
| 19:59 | Dpkg::Options { "--force-confdef"; "--force-confold"; | |
| 19:59 | } | |
| 19:59 | we have our config under puppet | |
| 19:59 | so we let unattend-upgrades change and puppet puts it back | |
| 20:00 | magnuse | cool |
| 20:00 | i use ansible | |
| 20:00 | are you then notified about the changes to the configile? so you can adjust what puppet puts in place? | |
| 20:01 | i'll read the article :-) | |
| 20:01 | rangi | :) |
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| 20:27 | ashimema | Hi |
| 20:27 | wahanui | bidet, ashimema |
| 20:28 | cait | hello |
| 20:28 | wahanui | bidet, cait |
| 20:29 | ashimema | Freeform should certainly be a core thing.. it goes t split out way bad during the original QA cycle if I remember correctly |
| 20:29 | Yes, translations are high on the agenda but no-one has stepped forward to fund them and the code was significantly more complex to add at the time of original submission | |
| 20:29 | cait | we shouldn't do that anymore |
| 20:29 | ashimema | More than happy for people to jump on board though.. would love to see ILL flourish |
| 20:29 | cait | it has always been a great pain to add translation afterwards for people |
| 20:30 | for new devs... let's not accept stuff without being translatable anymore please | |
| 20:30 | magnuse | +1 |
| 20:30 | ashimema | Generic send and freeform backend should be merged and put in core |
| 20:30 | cait | i guess we are hurt more than ohters |
| 20:30 | ashimema | Well.. we simply wouldn't have been able to submit the code with translation code in it |
| 20:30 | cait | i can cheat someties for German/English... but with the many languages we use now for the Goethe Institute libraires I stand no chance |
| 20:30 | ashimema | We already self funding 90% of the development |
| 20:31 | cait | too late for ILL - just for the future |
| 20:32 | ashimema | Anywho.. let's not argue that.. it's been in core for a long time now and we're happy to work on adding translatability |
| 20:32 | As for plugins and backends.. | |
| 20:34 | I'm working with tcohen to help move those forward.. we've already added the koha2koha backend into the gitlab repo and he's done some work to port it to working as a plugin. I intend to write a mail soon to promote that we were going to 'donate' our code as the foundation for a community supported effort for that and the freeform backends as they seem to fit well.. we will of course continue to contribute to them.. included translations | |
| 20:34 | Still working out how to do that right now | |
| 20:36 | So.. yes, we will certainly accept merge requests | |
| 20:38 | * ashimema | can only fight battles on so many fronts at a time I'm afraid.. |
| 20:53 | magnuse | ashimema++ |
| 20:56 | * ashimema | hopes he didn't sound too grumpy there.. a tad tired |
| 20:59 | caroline_crazycatlady | you did sound grumpy, but it's understandable |
| 20:59 | :) | |
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| 22:13 | alexbuckley | hi everyone! |
| 22:13 | caroline_crazycatlady | hi alexbuckley! |
| 22:14 | alexbuckley | how are you going caroline_crazycatlady ? |
| 22:14 | caroline_crazycatlady | not too bad, and you? |
| 22:14 | alexbuckley | yeah I am good thanks, looking forward to summer :) |
| 22:15 | caroline_crazycatlady | heh! just got our first snowstorm here :) |
| 22:16 | alexbuckley | ooo hopefully it carries on so you get a lovely white christmas :) |
| 22:17 | I have a question you know in the 'Manage numbering patterns' page in the Serials module, you have three different 'columns' x,y, and z does that mean you are restricted to only 3 different peices of data in a numbering pattern? e.g. I can add issue number, vol number, year but what if I wanted to add another value | |
| 22:18 | if you're not sure all good, just interested if you can add to the number of data values in a numbering pattern | |
| 22:18 | caroline_crazycatlady | you have to add it manually when you receive the item |
| 22:18 | I've had some serials like Vol. 31, No 4 March 2019 | |
| 22:19 | Volume is X, No is Y, month is Z and I tell librarians to add 2019 manually upon receipt | |
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| 22:20 | alexbuckley | ahh very interesting, thank you so much for that Caroline that's very helpful! :) |
| 22:24 | caroline_crazycatlady | numbering patterns are already so complicated, when I tell them they have to add something manually, they're like "oh ok! that's easy" |
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| 22:33 | cait | caroline_crazycatlady++ |
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| 22:47 | alexbuckley | caroline_crazycatlady++ yes they sure are complicated :) |
| 22:47 | hi cait :) | |
| 22:48 | cait | hi alexbuckley :) |
| 22:59 | caroline_crazycatlady | anyone care to test or qa bug 23983? *grins* |
| 22:59 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23983 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Contextualization of "Order" (verb) vs "Order" (noun) |
| 23:05 | caroline_crazycatlady | I should probably ask when it's daytime in France... anyway, too late now with the String freeze starting tomorrow |
| 23:05 | on that note, good night everyone! | |
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