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| 00:38 | mjkerpan | something weird happened. |
| 00:40 | after running an "apt upgrade" command on my koha server, it forgot how it work and when i try to get into the admin interface, it wants to run the web installer | |
| 00:59 | aleisha | mjkerpan it sounds like your koha has upgraded. if you run through the installer again it will complete the upgrade for you |
| 01:00 | mjkerpan | but neither my old password nor the one in koha-conf.xml seem to work |
| 01:01 | aleisha | the username is koha_instance |
| 01:01 | for the installer | |
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| 01:06 | mjkerpan | thanks. it's all fixed |
| 01:06 | aleisha | cool :) |
| 01:07 | mjkerpan | this stuff used to happen as part of the apckage upgrade process... |
| 01:09 | anyhow, i'll be moving my koha instance to a raspberry pi 4 this week. cutting power usage from 90-100 watts constant to about 2... | |
| 01:25 | i would have done it today, but none of the machines at my sf club's library/clubhouse was actually able to flash an image over to a 64 gb micosd card... | |
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| 07:33 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 09:05 | Joubu | @later tell rangi Can you have a look at bug 23672 please? |
| 09:05 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:42 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 23986: Pass strings to Catmandu for deletion <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]71a8dc319593a7780> |
| 10:42 | News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Recalculate ammount due for selected accountlines <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ed5852601f1283ece> | |
| 10:42 | News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Rename $select_lines to $selected_lines <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1e765599aea566d09> | |
| 10:42 | News from kohagit: Bug 23788: Rename $select to $selected_accts <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e3d3dc5034d08e642> | |
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| 11:15 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #529: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/529/ |
| 11:23 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #998: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/998/ | |
| 11:28 | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #467: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/467/ | |
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| 11:54 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #530: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/530/ |
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| 12:09 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #10: FAILURE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D9_My8/10/ |
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| 12:35 | oleonard | HI #koha |
| 12:36 | ashimema | hi oleonard |
| 12:36 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 12:46 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 14:17 | oleonard | Since everyone is so quiet, I shall entertain you with a dialog from my work place: |
| 14:17 | Librarian: Hey Owen I hate it when Koha searching doesn't work the way I want it to | |
| 14:17 | Me: Okay, can you give me examples? | |
| 14:17 | Me: ... | |
| 14:18 | Me: ... | |
| 14:18 | Me: ... <dead> | |
| 14:18 | And scene. | |
| 14:18 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:18 | andreashm | *applause* |
| 14:18 | ashimema | sounds pretty normal that. |
| 14:22 | andreashm | yup |
| 14:23 | * andreashm | loves when staff report errors after upgrades. "this is new, and wrong." Me: *looks at the server with the previous version* this is the exact same behaviour as before. |
| 14:26 | oleonard | But actually they did come to me with a valid query: Why would the inclusion of an en dash cause a keyword search to fail |
| 14:27 | is the en dash interpreted as a search operator? | |
| 14:31 | Joubu | 7 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food -'. |
| 14:31 | is that what you mean? | |
| 14:31 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:32 | Joubu | so it looks ok here |
| 14:32 | are you using elastic? | |
| 14:33 | oleonard | Zebra. The specific query was: 'kw,wrdl: I Am C-3PO – The Inside Story' which returns no results |
| 14:33 | As opposed to 'kw,wrdl: I Am C-3PO The Inside Story' which returns the correct record | |
| 14:35 | * Joubu | passes |
| 14:35 | Joubu | but it seems to work in some cases.. |
| 14:35 | 6 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food - rome'. | |
| 14:35 | 6 result(s) found for 'kw,wrdl: food rome'. | |
| 14:35 | it's ignored for me | |
| 14:37 | oleonard | Joubu: Are you sure you're testing with an en dash and not a hyphen? |
| 14:37 | A hyphen is ignored for me | |
| 14:38 | Joubu | no idea what an en dash is, so I guess I am testing with a hyphen :) |
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| 14:41 | caroline_catlady | hello everyone! |
| 14:42 | oleonard | en dash: — hyphen: - |
| 14:43 | Wait, no: em dash: — en dash: – | |
| 14:49 | eythian | don't forget the swung dash: ⁓ |
| 14:49 | or the two-em for that matter: ⸺ | |
| 14:53 | oleonard | ~ ˜ ∼ 〜 ～ |
| 14:54 | ⎯ ⏤ ─ ➖ ⸺ ⸻ | |
| 14:55 | Everyone remembers the first time they accidentally used a wave dash 〜 when they should have used a fullwidth tilde ～. So embarassing. | |
| 15:03 | caroline_catlady | oh god, yes, I remember it was april 25 1998, I was in school and the teacher told me in front of the whole class... so embarassing... |
| 15:05 | oleonard | Anyone know if it's possible to add a facet for language as defined in 008? |
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| 15:06 | caroline_catlady | oleonard: with zebra or es? |
| 15:06 | oleonard | zebra |
| 15:06 | I guess I'd like to know if it's possible either way. Using zebra now. | |
| 15:07 | caroline_catlady | I think with es you can customize facets much easier |
| 15:08 | with zebra, I know it's possible, because my colleague has done it before, but you have to go into zebra configuration files and things | |
| 15:09 | oleonard | caroline_catlady: I guess I was assuming Koha's advanced search language limiter uses 008... Do you know if that is correct? |
| 15:09 | caroline_catlady | yes that's what is used |
| 15:09 | I think the index is called ln (LN) | |
| 15:10 | oleonard | 'ln,rtrn:spa' is what I see on the search results page |
| 15:11 | Do you know what the "rtrn" means? | |
| 15:12 | caroline_catlady | right truncation |
| 15:13 | in the biblio-koha-indexdefs : | |
| 15:13 | <index_control_field tag="008" offset="35" length="3"> | |
| 15:13 | <target_index>ln:w</target_index> | |
| 15:13 | </index_control_field> | |
| 15:15 | oleonard | Thank you caroline_catlady |
| 15:16 | caroline_catlady | sorry I can't help more... the knowledge is in the brain of someone else |
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| 16:54 | caroline_catlady | oleonard: would it make more sense to display "Locked" in red rather than green? https://snipboard.io/Gmqegl.jpg |
| 16:54 | oleonard | I think so |
| 16:55 | caroline_catlady | should I open a bz for that do you think? |
| 16:55 | oleonard | Yes |
| 17:02 | caroline_catlady | I put it in "Templates" so it was automatically assigned to you, bug 24012 |
| 17:02 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Display 'Locked' budget in red |
| 17:04 | * oleonard | felt a disturbance in the Force |
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| 17:28 | * ashimema | send subliminal message to remember colour blind users |
| 17:31 | caroline_catlady | ashimema: what would be the best for colour-blind users? |
| 17:31 | oleonard | Add a "lock" icon? |
| 17:31 | caroline_catlady | I would like an icon even if I'm not colour blind :) |
| 17:33 | ashimema | Great idea. |
| 17:34 | Red is good too for the not colour blind.. but I generally like to ask the question when someone adds something colour based to the UI | |
| 17:34 | Icon in addition to red would be great | |
| 17:40 | caroline_catlady | I added a comment to the bz so we don't forget |
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| 17:58 | ashimema | 😀 |
| 18:05 | oleonard | Still without a dev environment here. Still getting this from kohadevbox: https://gitlab.com/snippets/1912170 |
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| 18:12 | ashimema | Looks weirdly network related |
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| 18:50 | tcohen | hi |
| 18:50 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
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| 19:06 | cait | hi #koha |
| 19:06 | caroline_catlady | hi cait! |
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| 19:07 | cait | hi caroline_catlady :) |
| 19:10 | oleonard | Hi cait, are you back from vacation? |
| 19:16 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 19:16 | cait | oleonard: nope, 2 more weeks |
| 19:16 | but got back from my dad's tody | |
| 19:16 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 19:16 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 19:16 | tcohen | bug 23893 |
| 19:16 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
| 19:16 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add ->new_from_api and ->set_from_api methods to Koha::Object |
| 19:16 | cait | sorry, probably not on duty tonight, just unpacked the laptop |
| 19:18 | tcohen | just mentioning it for the broad audience |
| 19:18 | :-D | |
| 19:24 | cait | how is everyone? |
| 19:29 | oleonard | Leaving! See y'all later |
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| 20:36 | corilynn | cait, can you help me with your comment on bug 10047? |
| 20:36 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10047 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cataloguing search maybe useless? |
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| 20:37 | corilynn | specifically "You could add it to advanced search pull downs using jQuery" |
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| 21:07 | cait | ah sorry corilynn - was distracted |
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| 21:07 | corilynn | no worries |
| 21:07 | cait | are yo ustill around? |
| 21:07 | corilynn | I am |
| 21:07 | cait | so does it work for you when you search in keyword search like this: Control-number:xxx |
| 21:07 | corilynn | in the cataloging search? |
| 21:08 | cait | in the advanced search |
| 21:08 | corilynn | hold on |
| 21:08 | you mean the left hand search area in the "Advanced Cataloging Editor"? | |
| 21:09 | cait | oh |
| 21:09 | i think it might be a misunderstanding | |
| 21:09 | > We currently use the cataloging search because the Advanced Search doesn't > support searching by control number. | |
| 21:09 | is what you wrote - did you mean Advanced Editor? | |
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| 21:10 | corilynn | it doesn't work on the catalog search either |
| 21:10 | No results found | |
| 21:10 | No results match your search for 'Control-number:ghp0000001'. | |
| 21:10 | wait, i'm on the wrong koha instance. | |
| 21:10 | cait | can you give me the url? I think we might be in different spots, just to check |
| 21:10 | wlel the last bit of the url | |
| 21:11 | corilynn | ok, that works on this page: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=Control-number%3Aghp0000001 |
| 21:12 | I wrote a bug for this page: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl | |
| 21:12 | hold on and I'll find it | |
| 21:13 | Bug 23941 | |
| 21:13 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Searching by Control Number doesn't return bibs in the "reservoir" |
| 21:14 | cait | hm works for me... for addbooks - but nothing in reservoir int his installation, but I can find the record sin the normal catalog |
| 21:14 | using the Cataloging search | |
| 21:14 | i wonder if this is due to some ... tricks... we use | |
| 21:14 | corilynn | I can find it in the catalog |
| 21:14 | cait | we have mapped 001 to the biblio(items).ean column |
| 21:14 | corilynn | but not the reservoir |
| 21:14 | cait | ok, so we have the same result then |
| 21:14 | i misunderstood, thought you were talking about advanced search | |
| 21:15 | there it would have been easy to solve... the reservoir is an sql based search so probably harder | |
| 21:15 | corilynn | right, so in the "Advanced Editor" search it won't search by control number at all |
| 21:15 | cait | yep |
| 21:15 | well not good,... but it makes all sense now | |
| 21:16 | corilynn | even though it has a field for it |
| 21:16 | cait | hm not good |
| 21:16 | corilynn | https://paste.pics/4ad87384576[…]be4dba6bd13ba29e1 |
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| 21:16 | cait | probably something to do with the bib 1 attributes used |
| 21:17 | corilynn | well, if it's configurable, i'd love to configure it |
| 21:17 | (and, at the top of that page it says "Advanced Search" | |
| 21:17 | cait | not at the moment :( |
| 21:17 | yeah, so we have mulitple of those | |
| 21:17 | :) | |
| 21:17 | corilynn | so here's my point... if it works in search A, can we make it work in B, C, D, E etc? |
| 21:18 | the cataloging searches seem like such a hodge-podge | |
| 21:18 | cait | hodge-podge? |
| 21:18 | corilynn | "Confused mixture" |
| 21:19 | hotchpotch describes a confused or disorderly mass or collection of things; a "mess" or a "jumble" | |
| 21:19 | cait | aha! |
| 21:19 | a good word | |
| 21:19 | corilynn | one of my favorites |
| 21:21 | * andreashm | waves |
| 21:22 | corilynn | cait, do you know how to do a "left justified" search? |
| 21:22 | cait | do you mean something like *something ? |
| 21:22 | corilynn | One of the catalogers wants to search titles that start with "Apple" not just have apple somewhere in the title |
| 21:23 | cait | i'd always turn of autoquerytruncate to be honest |
| 21:23 | and truncate manually | |
| 21:23 | it might work if they do ti,rtrn:Apple | |
| 21:24 | caroline_catlady | corilynn: startswithnt : subfield starts with |
| 21:24 | cait | ooh |
| 21:24 | corilynn | wait, what? |
| 21:24 | wahanui | hmmm... wait, is 4XX for subjects? |
| 21:24 | cait | is thatin the manual? |
| 21:24 | caroline_catlady | or ti,first-in-subfield=C (will show you all titles that start with the letter ‘C’) |
| 21:24 | https://koha-community.org/man[…]uide-to-searching | |
| 21:25 | never tried it first hand though | |
| 21:25 | corilynn | 4xx is for series |
| 21:25 | cait | wahanui is just trying to confuse us :) |
| 21:25 | corilynn | seriously |
| 21:25 | cait | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 21:25 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
| 21:26 | cait | forget wait, what |
| 21:26 | wahanui | wait, is 4XX for subjects? |
| 21:26 | cait | wahanui: forget 'wait, what' |
| 21:26 | wahanui | cait, I didn't have anything matching 'wait, what' |
| 21:26 | cait | hmpf |
| 21:26 | caroline_catlady | just wait maybe? |
| 21:26 | corilynn | oh, wahanui is the bot, I always forget |
| 21:26 | Where do I put startswithnt ? | |
| 21:27 | caroline_catlady | normally, you put it in the search bar, preceded by the index you want ti search in, so ti,startswithnt:Apple |
| 21:27 | wahanui: forget wait | |
| 21:27 | wahanui | caroline_catlady: I forgot wait |
| 21:27 | caroline_catlady | wait, what? |
| 21:27 | wahanui | wait, is 4XX for subjects? |
| 21:27 | caroline_catlady | -_- |
| 21:28 | corilynn | that doesn't seem to work, caroline_catlady |
| 21:28 | caroline_catlady | wahanui: forget 4XX |
| 21:28 | wahanui | caroline_catlady: I forgot 4xx |
| 21:28 | caroline_catlady | wait, what? |
| 21:28 | wahanui | rumour has it wait, is 4XX for subjects |
| 21:28 | caroline_catlady | lol... -_- |
| 21:28 | corilynn | I"m here: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl |
| 21:28 | caroline_catlady | wahanui: forget wait, |
| 21:28 | wahanui | caroline_catlady: I forgot wait, |
| 21:28 | corilynn | and I put that search string .. where? |
| 21:28 | caroline_catlady | wait, what? |
| 21:29 | excellent! | |
| 21:29 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 21:29 | caroline_catlady | corilynn: in any search bar |
| 21:29 | corilynn | it says "no patron" |
| 21:29 | caroline_catlady | ok, any search bar that searches for records |
| 21:30 | corilynn | not working :( |
| 21:30 | ok, i'm here: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl | |
| 21:30 | I type in "Oracle" | |
| 21:31 | there's a record with a title "The oracle" | |
| 21:32 | caroline_catlady | that makes sense |
| 21:32 | corilynn | I put "ti,startswithnt:Oracle" and no results |
| 21:32 | I also tried lower case | |
| 21:33 | does this work for you? | |
| 21:33 | do I need to search somewhere else? | |
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| 21:33 | caroline_catlady | just a second |
| 21:39 | corilynn | I figured it out, but Booo :( |
| 21:39 | I have to put "The oracle" | |
| 21:40 | nope, nevermind, doesn't work for "Dust" | |
| 21:54 | this works: ti,first-in-subfield=Cats | |
| 21:54 | but not if the title is "The Cats" | |
| 21:56 | caroline_catlady | just to make sure, what are the indicators in field 245 for !The Cats"? |
| 21:56 | Oh, wait | |
| 21:56 | I think indicators don't work with zebra | |
| 21:56 | corilynn | they do not |
| 21:56 | :( | |
| 21:57 | cait | notquite true |
| 21:57 | they work, bu tonly for sorting | |
| 21:57 | if you sort on title | |
| 21:58 | and use zebra | |
| 21:58 | corilynn | ah, but you can't sort by anything on /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl |
| 21:58 | so, Hodgepodge :( | |
| 21:58 | cait | ah ok, yep |
| 21:58 | catalouging search is... bit behind | |
| 21:58 | corilynn | no love for the catalogers |
| 22:01 | caroline_catlady | Personnaly, I always tell my clients not to use cataloguing search, unless they need to merge... |
| 22:01 | corilynn | caroline_catlady, we are a company of catalogers |
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