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| 00:42 | corilynn | now that I have figured out how to right reports with SQL the world is my oyster! |
| 00:43 | muahahahahaha | |
| 00:44 | write... not right... ugh, it's been a long day | |
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| 03:22 | bag | corilynn++ |
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| 06:11 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:34 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 14669: (RM follow-up) Ensure updated include compiles <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ab5279d51264dce8a> |
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| 06:48 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #22: STILL FAILING in 13 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D10/22/ |
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| 06:53 | cait | Updated demo page for Bywater (19.05) and Calyx (18.11) on the website (https://koha-community.org/demo/) |
| 06:53 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:53 | wahanui | what's up, reiveune |
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| 06:56 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 06:56 | wahanui | salut, alex_a |
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| 07:05 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #912: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/912/ |
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| 07:15 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 07:15 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 07:15 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #391: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/391/ |
| 07:25 | ashimema | mornin' #koha |
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| 07:30 | fridolin | yolo |
| 07:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #454: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/454/ |
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| 07:52 | ashimema | @seen drojf |
| 07:52 | huginn | ashimema: drojf was last seen in #koha 45 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <drojf> -s |
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| 07:53 | ashimema | yowsers |
| 07:53 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 08:09 | * ashimema | thinks it could be a challenge to find someone with the expertise he thinks is needed to get the tests passing... Elastic + Zebra + Packaging + Docker.. lol |
| 08:13 | andreashm | difficult combo, yes |
| 08:29 | ashimema | I'm thinking tcohen + kidclamp will be the winning combo :) |
| 08:29 | just need to wait for them to wake up in their timezones | |
| 08:30 | cait | : |
| 08:30 | :) | |
| 08:33 | nlegrand | hey |
| 08:35 | cait | hi nlegrand! |
| 08:35 | does someone remember the bug adding languages to xslt? | |
| 08:42 | paxed | bug 23783? |
| 08:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23783 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show languages from MARC21 field 041 in OPAC |
| 08:42 | cait | oh! |
| 08:42 | i just filed that one :) | |
| 08:42 | i found your old one for staff - bug 20364 | |
| 08:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20364 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, RESOLVED FIXED, Show languages from MARC21 field 041 in intranet |
| 08:43 | paxed | we don't use koha opac in finland, so haven't touched that side |
| 08:43 | cait | that's ok, that's why I filed a new bug |
| 08:43 | i hope to get to it - but probably not anytime soon | |
| 08:43 | you already did the 'hard' part | |
| 08:44 | I just remembered sometthing was already done and was looking for it - we are behind in the version | |
| 08:44 | paxed | (the national library of finland provides unified opac front-end to all finnish libraries: finna.fi) |
| 08:44 | cait | Finna - I've heard about it :) |
| 08:44 | ashimema | cool |
| 08:45 | cait | paxed: as you are here - is there a project summary or similar maybe? |
| 08:45 | paxed | cait: ...for? |
| 08:45 | cait | working on slides (again... *sigh) and woudl like to highlight that project |
| 08:45 | paxed | oh, for finna |
| 08:45 | cait | mor efor the koha project |
| 08:45 | sorry, i was not clear | |
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| 08:47 | paxed | eeh... not really, no. https://github.com/KohaSuomi/ and https://koha-suomi.fi/ is all the public-facing stuff we have. (plus https://tiketti.koha-suomi.fi/ but that's mostly for internal use) |
| 08:51 | the national library is actually organizing a small hackathon on the 22nd in Helsinki, and a seminar on the 23rd-24th (not just about Koha, but other stuff too) | |
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| 08:53 | cait | thank you for the links, maybe I can use some of the twitter announcements |
| 08:55 | Nemo_bis | paxed: nice :) |
| 08:56 | paxed | https://www.kiwi.fi/display/ki[…]hon+ti+22.10.2019 |
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| 08:57 | paxed | and kohaputti could probably answer questions about the national library side of things, as he's working there |
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| 09:10 | nlegrand | cait: hiya! |
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| 10:15 | kidclamp | ashimema: looks like its all the paths/config stuff |
| 10:16 | ashimema | yup |
| 10:16 | kidclamp | can we use 'adjust_paths_dev_install" in the tests? |
| 10:17 | I will wait for tcohen tpo :-) | |
| 10:17 | ashimema | er... |
| 10:19 | hehe | |
| 10:20 | i get the feeling it's probably not hard to fix.. I just don't know how ;) | |
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| 11:03 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:28 | vfernandes | hi #koha |
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| 11:35 | fridolin | hi |
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| 11:36 | oleonard | Hey |
| 11:37 | ashimema | bug 15260 |
| 11:37 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Option for extended loan with useDaysMode |
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| 11:40 | vfernandes | it's possible to set the hold pickup library to always be the library where the item is? |
| 11:42 | oleonard | vfernandes: There's a preference for the OPAC, OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch |
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| 11:43 | oleonard | vfernandes: And there's a setting in Circulation and fine rules, "Default holds policy by item type" |
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| 11:45 | vfernandes | oleonard: in "Default holds policy by item type" what is the best configuration? |
| 11:46 | Hold policy -> From any library | |
| 11:46 | Hold pickup library match -> Item's home library | |
| 11:46 | oleonard | That sounds right to me |
| 11:47 | vfernandes | Return policy -> Item floats (it can be returned in any library) |
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| 11:48 | vfernandes | Hold pickup library match -> Item's home library ..... this forces the pickup library to always be the item's home library? |
| 11:49 | oleonard | I believe so vfernandes, though I don't know that I've tested it myself |
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| 12:05 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #392: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/392/ |
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| 12:09 | ashimema | very interesting.. Ubuntu ships with Yaz5, so the tests pass there |
| 12:10 | oleonard | As a Windows user file name case changes in git are the bane of my existence. |
| 12:11 | eythian | I feel this is a pain you bring upon yourself |
| 12:12 | ashimema | lol |
| 12:12 | eythian | oleonard: also, https://www.howtogeek.com/3542[…]rs-on-windows-10/ |
| 12:12 | oleonard | Complaining here about using Windows is a pain I bring upon myself |
| 12:13 | But thank you for the link eythian | |
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| 12:22 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #913: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/913/ |
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| 12:55 | ashimema | man I'm bad with timezones at the moment |
| 12:57 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Anyone know what this error message means?" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2730 |
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| 12:58 | ashimema | just realised I've scheduled the development meeting during my school run |
| 12:58 | fun times | |
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| 13:04 | tcohen | hi all |
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| 13:14 | tcohen | am I the only one with a weird problem with t/Koha/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch/QueryBuilder.t on his repository? |
| 13:15 | ashimema | hi tcohen |
| 13:15 | I think that one is running fine for me | |
| 13:15 | oleonard | I was just complaining about the file name case change tcohen, but I'm a Windows-using peasant |
| 13:16 | ashimema | it's Z2950Responder that's failing for me.. I know why but need help fixing it.. |
| 13:16 | passes in Ubuntu though.. as that has Yaz5.. | |
| 13:16 | but out debs dont and as such are more picky about config file paths | |
| 13:17 | tcohen | https://snipboard.io/fjSB4J.jpg |
| 13:21 | * tcohen | is about to remove the whole clone |
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| 13:27 | caroline_catlady | good morning! |
| 13:29 | oleonard | tcohen: Any idea what might be going on here? http://paste.koha-community.org/2730 |
| 13:30 | Hi caroline_catlady | |
| 13:32 | tcohen | maybe something in .env that isn't quoted? |
| 13:33 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 23626: Add missing TT failure <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]50edfa070c42cafce> |
| 13:33 | News from kohagit: Bug 23778: Regression: Guarantor entry section no longer has a unique id <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a6d0888f1dcf871cf> | |
| 13:33 | News from kohagit: Bug 23626: [alternate] Default to including all rows <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]00ac793d7078a2686> | |
| 13:33 | News from kohagit: Bug 23626: Only fetch full chart data if requested <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]89ff8c291f07f6716> | |
| 13:33 | News from kohagit: Bug 22997: Unit test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]59110ce01d8e70afd> | |
| 13:33 | News from kohagit: Bug 22927: Do not check an already lost item when marked as withdrawn or damaged <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f3cf7525961666ef> | |
| 13:33 | News from kohagit: Bug 22997: Searching gives no results in auth_finder.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]284616791fd5cd380> | |
| 13:43 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #23: STILL FAILING in 7 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D10/23/ |
| 13:44 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 17179: DBRev 19.06.00.039 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e66d665857f8b8db0> |
| 13:44 | News from kohagit: Bug 17179: (follow-up) Add to keyboard_shortcuts.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b1fe4489ec51cea8b> | |
| 13:44 | News from kohagit: Bug 17179: (follow-up) Correct typos, add default select. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]16bdfaa85374d19c4> | |
| 13:44 | News from kohagit: Bug 17179: Add keyboard shortcuts to repeat (duplicate) a field, and cut text <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]775748a6cb8dc94b2> | |
| 13:47 | ashimema | we should make huggin more intelligent.. he should really only list bugs once.. not once per commit |
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| 13:52 | khall | is anyone having issues with the Koha git repo? I tried to check out a fresh clone and got this: |
| 13:52 | warning: the following paths have collided (e.g. case-sensitive paths | |
| 13:52 | on a case-insensitive filesystem) and only one from the same | |
| 13:52 | colliding group is in the working tree: | |
| 13:52 | 't/Koha/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch/QueryBuilder.t' | |
| 13:52 | 't/Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.t' | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | Yup |
| 13:53 | khall | :\ |
| 13:54 | ashimema | tcohen had that too |
| 13:54 | I is confused | |
| 13:54 | all if fine for me.. | |
| 13:54 | khall | did tcohen find a solution? |
| 13:54 | I know tcohen and I are using Macs | |
| 13:54 | tcohen | I didn't |
| 13:54 | yet | |
| 13:55 | ashimema | interesting |
| 13:55 | I have t/Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch and t/Koha/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch dirs here | |
| 13:55 | oleonard | khall: I thought Macs didn't have case sensitivity problems |
| 13:56 | ashimema | looks like it's 20334 that caused the issue |
| 13:57 | khall | oleonard You can choose case sensitive or insensitive when creating the filesystem |
| 13:57 | cait | irc meetings |
| 13:57 | khall | I must have chosen insensitive |
| 13:57 | ashimema | hmm, maybe not |
| 13:57 | cait | next meetings |
| 13:57 | wahanui | next meetings is, like, https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 13:57 | ashimema | the two files are rather more different that I thought |
| 13:58 | cait | khall: bag had this problem yesterday |
| 13:59 | i don't have it - running Debian | |
| 13:59 | * tcohen | feels relieved is not the only one |
| 13:59 | oleonard | After enabling case sensitivity on the kohaclone directory(Windows 10) I'm getting new problems, so I dunno... |
| 13:59 | cait | well Ubuntu, sorry (other computer) |
| 13:59 | meeting in a minute? | |
| 13:59 | ashimema | not sure if it will help or not but I'm happy to merge ElasticSearch/QueryBuilder.t and Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.t here and push |
| 14:00 | tcohen | thanks ashimema |
| 14:01 | ashimema | ok.. lets postpone the dev meeting for an hour.. that'll give me time to push this and collect kids from school ;) |
| 14:01 | khall | ashimema please do! |
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| 14:02 | cait | i'll miss it then - but just... QA! |
| 14:02 | oh and FIX BUGS! | |
| 14:02 | (dentist) | |
| 14:02 | ashimema | oh.. sorry cait |
| 14:02 | cait | taht's alright |
| 14:02 | actually happy to havean hour more at my desk for tickets | |
| 14:04 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 20334: (RM follow-up) Fix test for case insensative filesystems <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a4b221d018311a6cd> |
| 14:04 | ashimema | OK, a quick merge and push done |
| 14:05 | ack.. | |
| 14:05 | hold that.. | |
| 14:05 | there's a second file he added in there.. I need to sort that one too | |
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| 14:06 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #914: STILL UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/914/ |
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| 14:08 | ashimema | right.. |
| 14:08 | should be better now | |
| 14:08 | care to try it tcohen, oleonard ? | |
| 14:09 | * oleonard | cares to |
| 14:10 | ashimema | for anyone who may have just arrived.. we're posponing the dev meeting by an hour whilst we fixup a git issue on master |
| 14:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #24: STILL FAILING in 4 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D10/24/ |
| 14:12 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #455: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/455/ | |
| 14:14 | tcohen | ashimema: YAY! THanks |
| 14:14 | it is fixed | |
| 14:14 | git fetch; git reset —hard origin/master | |
| 14:14 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 20334: (RM follow-up) Fix test for case insensative filesystems 2 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e62c2651954beb428> |
| 14:15 | * oleonard | is tracking https://repo.or.cz/koha.git/ and doesn't have the update yet |
| 14:15 | cait | :) |
| 14:15 | * oleonard | doesn't know if that's still the preferred repo |
| 14:18 | tcohen | hahaha |
| 14:18 | oleonard | :| |
| 14:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #25: STILL FAILING in 6 min 37 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D10/25/ |
| 14:21 | ashimema | Not sure how we can easily avoid that in the future.. it's super easy to miss |
| 14:22 | Repo.or.cz should update pretty quick | |
| 14:30 | * oleonard | performs a hard reset by dousing his PC with gasoline and setting it alight |
| 14:31 | tcohen | hahahahaha |
| 14:31 | the gitlab mirror should update regularly, right? | |
| 14:32 | eythian | oleonard: http://www.bash.org/?416857 |
| 14:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #393: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/393/ |
| 14:33 | oleonard | You're right eythian I should check whether the floppy is really in there |
| 14:37 | Oh wait this is just an old copy of Zork 1 | |
| 14:38 | eythian | poor oleonard, he's been eaten by a grue. |
| 14:40 | oleonard | I don't understand what's going on... Still getting this " invalid config file .git/config" error from docker... |
| 14:41 | ashimema | the gitlab mirror is dead tcohen |
| 14:42 | the repo is too big for gitlab | |
| 14:42 | tcohen | maybe we could only sync master? |
| 14:43 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #915: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/915/ |
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| 14:48 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #456: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/456/ |
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| 14:59 | ashimema | right |
| 14:59 | now where were we | |
| 15:00 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019 | |
| 15:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 15:00:51 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_october_2019' |
| 15:01 | ashimema | #topic Introductions |
| 15:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:01 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:01 | Sorry for the delay all.. the git repo is happy again at least :) | |
| 15:01 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:02 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio |
| 15:03 | ashimema | Quiet today |
| 15:04 | khall | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:04 | ashimema | well.. people will join us when they're ready.. so lets move on to busines |
| 15:04 | #topic Announcements | |
| 15:04 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:04 | bag | tcohen and khall I had the same thing yesterday |
| 15:04 | corilynn | #info Cori Lynn Arnold, DGI (lurking) |
| 15:04 | bag | never found a fix (still reading through the scrollback) |
| 15:04 | ahh meeting time (sorry) | |
| 15:04 | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater | |
| 15:04 | ashimema | haha, no worries baf |
| 15:05 | bag, even | |
| 15:05 | bag | baf - lol |
| 15:05 | ashimema | I fixed git btw.. so you shoudn't have that issue any more |
| 15:05 | bag | oh sweet :) |
| 15:05 | ashimema | #info Freeze dates email will be going out tonight, provisional dates are already in the calendar |
| 15:06 | #link https://koha-community.org/calendar/ Calendar | |
| 15:06 | oleonard | Got the link to today's agenda handy ashimema? |
| 15:06 | ashimema | #info If you noticed an issue with the git repositories over the last 24 hours, please be aware the issue should now be resolved. |
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| 15:06 | ashimema | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_9_October_2019 Agenda |
| 15:07 | oops.. I always forget to do that :S | |
| 15:07 | it's a very sparse one.. I looked back at the past coupe of agenda's and couldn't see anything that really needed bringing forward.. but please add anything if you want to | |
| 15:08 | thd | There is an issue which tcohen would like us to resolve but is he absent again? |
| 15:08 | ashimema | anyone else have any anouncements they'd like to minute? |
| 15:08 | thd | He was here at the original meeting time. |
| 15:09 | ashimema | I've poked him in slack, with any luck he'll magically appear |
| 15:09 | but for now | |
| 15:10 | #info Update from the Release manager | |
| 15:10 | #info The release is starting to take shape and provisional dates are now set | |
| 15:10 | #info Feature slush is scheduled for the 30th November - Thats three weeks today | |
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| 15:11 | ashimema | #info Feature freeze is scheduled for the 6th November - One week later |
| 15:11 | #info String freeze is scheduled for the 13th November - One week later again | |
| 15:11 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France |
| 15:12 | ashimema | #info Release all being well will be the 27th November - Giving two weeks for translations. |
| 15:13 | It's been a slow cycle, I did some statistics at the Hackfest and we've pushed less than half the bugs compared to the last three releases. | |
| 15:13 | I'm hopeing it's a blip and we'll be back up to speed for the 20.05 cycle. | |
| 15:14 | Having asked around I believe all the big contributors have simply been run off their feet with deployments and customers this cycle. | |
| 15:14 | Jonathan D being away has also not helped on the numbers front. | |
| 15:15 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 15:15 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:15 | ashimema | fridolin: Over to you.. |
| 15:15 | fridolin | yop |
| 15:15 | 19.05.x is at v19.05.05 | |
| 15:15 | i think everything is fine | |
| 15:16 | we prepare for a release before next cyrcle | |
| 15:16 | maybe embed security fixes in it | |
| 15:17 | bag | joubu should be back soon :) |
| 15:17 | oleonard | We have a lot of bugs which I think should be 'resolved fixed' but I'm not sure |
| 15:17 | ashimema | #info 19.05.x is at 19.05.05 presently and is feeling reliable and stable |
| 15:17 | oleonard | I think some cleanup needs to be done |
| 15:18 | ashimema | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 15:18 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:18 | ashimema | #info Pace seems to have picked up the last week, keep it up :) |
| 15:18 | #topic General development discussion | |
| 15:18 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:19 | ashimema | #info oleonard notes that there is a large number of bugs that appear to need updating to 'RESOLVED FIXED' |
| 15:19 | #action ashimema will look into this prior to the next cycle starting | |
| 15:20 | fridolin | yep |
| 15:20 | ashimema | #info We should have Joubu back for the next cycle, which should get the numbers back on track |
| 15:20 | fridolin | its usually for Rmmait of oldoldstable |
| 15:20 | ashimema | tcohen.. did you appear again yet? |
| 15:21 | * fridolin | was wondering about versions in pottle |
| 15:21 | fridolin | shoud we close versions < 18.05 ? |
| 15:21 | ashimema | I believe there's a process in place which cait and rangi usually do to mark bugs as RESOLVED FIXED in bulk.. it relies on them disabling email notifications behind the scenes so we don't spam everyone. |
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| 15:21 | * ashimema | has a script to do the change, but won't run it for fear of spamming everyone on bugzilla |
| 15:22 | oleonard | Speaking of rmaints, hi wizzyrea |
| 15:22 | ashimema | #info Fridolin raises that pootle still contains a number of officially unsupported koha versions.. perhaps we should tidy up there too. |
| 15:23 | fridolin | on 20.05 start |
| 15:23 | thd | Go ahead and spam me. The whole multiverse does :) |
| 15:23 | fridolin | ^^ |
| 15:24 | french translation group did a great job during hackfest but was not sure on which version to work | |
| 15:25 | ashimema | #info I'm contemplating a 'fail fast' attitude early next cycle.. still to be fleshed out and discussed.. but the initial thoughts are that I will push some more experimental bugs (on developer request and my own judgement) early in the release with the expectation of getting quick followups for any breakage. Idea being it helps alleviate some of the QA backlog of the most technical bugs where we don't have so many people capable of |
| 15:25 | understanding the code to qa it. | |
| 15:25 | thd | People should at least be satisfied in the knowledge that their work on translation will actually be used. |
| 15:26 | ashimema | any other general discussion points from anyone? |
| 15:27 | ok.. moving on then | |
| 15:27 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 15:27 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | kia ora |
| 15:28 | ashimema | tcohen raises the question of whether we should start officially deprecating the /svc api namespace. |
| 15:29 | #info tcohen raises the question of whether we should start officially deprecating the /svc api namespace. | |
| 15:29 | bag | perhaps adding to that - who is using it? |
| 15:29 | ashimema | generally I feel this is a direction we should be moving, but we need to be somewhat pragmatic about it.. |
| 15:29 | thd | Is anyone known to currently use svc? |
| 15:30 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #394: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/394/ |
| 15:30 | ashimema | a few area's of the front end use it.. I think it's mostly used internally though a small number of things are more publically documented. |
| 15:30 | oleonard | We have our hold slips set up to use svc/barcode |
| 15:30 | ashimema | one example is the reports apis.. I believe catalyst customers use those reasonably frequently |
| 15:31 | I would certainly back a move to stop adding to/enhanceing existing /svc and block all new /svc | |
| 15:32 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:32 | ashimema | one area I see needing attention would be the few datatables that use /svc for their ajax implimentation.. |
| 15:32 | our rest api's don't lend themselves to 'the datatables way'.. but I'm sure there are work arounds available to us | |
| 15:32 | thd | Deprecation should be a long process where there is any reasonable belief that there are users who have not converted to the replacement and the replacement should be certain to satisfy all the needs of existing users. |
| 15:33 | bag | I think the oclc connexion client uses /svc |
| 15:33 | and maybe marcedit? | |
| 15:33 | ashimema | perhaps one to bring in for the next cycle with a new coding guideline and qa scripts to capture |
| 15:34 | good points bag.. I'd forgotten about marcedit support entirely | |
| 15:34 | I (or tcohen) will draft something to vote on for the next meeting. | |
| 15:34 | did anyone have anything else they wanted to raise? | |
| 15:35 | oleonard | Did we ever vote on my ESLint proposal? |
| 15:36 | thd | Those present at least approved of ESLint in principle. |
| 15:36 | ashimema | I think we all agreed to it.. |
| 15:36 | did I not minute that back when.. I bet I forgot | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | I dunno... I shall proceed as if I have approval :D |
| 15:37 | * oleonard | loves cleanup patches |
| 15:37 | thd | It is possible we did not vote without the presence of oleonard. |
| 15:37 | ashimema | ah, perhaps. |
| 15:38 | I'm happy to proceed with it anyway.. another one to really push for in the next cycle :) | |
| 15:38 | ok.. last topic then | |
| 15:38 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 15:38 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019) | |
| 15:39 | * oleonard | found a record of the vote... thank you for your support |
| 15:40 | 's opponents were all in the pocket of Big JsHint | |
| 15:40 | ashimema | I'm thinking stick to the same two weeks.. that gives us a week before feature slush to discus anything important and start planning the next cycle (we should also have started talking about the next team by then after the next general meeting) |
| 15:41 | 23 OctoberSeptember 2019, 21:00 UTC | |
| 15:41 | * 23 October 2019, 21:00 UTC | |
| 15:42 | does that suit the majority.. lets NZ join again I believe | |
| 15:42 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:43 | thd | +1 |
| 15:43 | ashimema | #info Next meeting: 23 October 2019, 21:00 UTC |
| 15:43 | brill | |
| 15:43 | thanks all for your attendance, my appologies for the last minute delay to proceedings | |
| 15:43 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:43 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 15:43 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 15:43:56 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:43 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-10-09-15.00.html | |
| 15:43 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]9-10-09-15.00.txt | |
| 15:43 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-15.00.log.html | |
| 15:44 | ashimema | thd, whilst your here are you joining the docs meeting tomorrow and giving an update on the wiki? |
| 15:44 | thd | That time will become less good after time changes. |
| 15:44 | ashimema | be interested to hear how it's going but I'm happy to wait until then |
| 15:45 | thd | Yes, but I could also tell you now too. |
| 15:45 | I have been updating the bug report. | |
| 15:45 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23073 | |
| 15:45 | huginn | Bug 23073: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmc, NEW , wiki.koha-community.org needs updating to a later version |
| 15:47 | ashimema | brill |
| 15:47 | will read the bug report | |
| 15:47 | caroline_catlady | Is it normal that the AUTO_RENEWALS notice is only in updatedatabase.pl and not in the installer sql files? |
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| 15:48 | ashimema | erm |
| 15:48 | no | |
| 15:48 | it should be in both | |
| 15:48 | bug | |
| 15:48 | bad rm ;P | |
| 15:48 | caroline_catlady | ok, I will create a bug report |
| 15:48 | (don't worry, it was added in 16.12 :) ) | |
| 15:50 | thd | I should have another update probably today or tomorrow explaining exactly what seems best for MySQL column size alteration and also what needs a little data truncation where we only have four bytes of real data lost to accommodate smaller MySQL defaults. |
| 15:51 | Basically, conversion from Postgres to MySQL works without warnings or errors. However, I did a little to much at one sitting a few weeks ago in a sprint of work without sleep. | |
| 15:53 | I noticed yesterday that I had earlier missed a data type when copying and pasting for a column which I had at least earlier I accommodated by simply increasing the size until all the data fit. | |
| 15:54 | s/size/column size/ | |
| 15:55 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:56 | oleonard | Ooo Bug 14620 looks fun |
| 15:56 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Needs Signoff , Contact information validations |
| 15:57 | corilynn | not |
| 15:57 | thd | We have some real world info from a few columns that the MySQL Mediawiki default column sizes are a little too small in a few cases. No constraints on size for the same columns in Postgres aloud real world use to emerge along with a few accidents of pasting a wiki page into the comment field. |
| 15:58 | s/aloud/allowed/ | |
| 16:00 | corilynn | so... i'm having a ball with reports... anyone know how I can style marcxml like it is all over the place but in a report? |
| 16:01 | I'm looking at "Syntax-highlighted MARC XML" from https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]hlighted_MARC_XML | |
| 16:03 | caroline_catlady | corilynn: not sure if it will answer your question, but know that marcxml doesn't exist anymore. it's not metadata in the biblio_metadata table |
| 16:04 | corilynn | yeah, sorry, metadata |
| 16:04 | caroline_catlady | ok! |
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| 16:05 | corilynn | there's like 1.5 million places that we are displaying the metadata in koha, just wondered if anyone had ever hacked the reports to do it |
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| 16:13 | thd | corilynn: The reports return SQL data. Some marcxml data has been extracted in a more or less primitive matter to populate some SQL values. The MARC frameworks determine the simple manner in which SQL data is populated by MARC subfileds. |
| 16:16 | corilynn: Except for what has been already extracted from MARCXML and populated in SQL tables, there is no provision in reports for parsing MARCXML. | |
| 16:23 | corilynn | thd, I don't want to parse it, I want to make it look pretty |
| 16:24 | apply css to it | |
| 16:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #51: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_U18/51/ |
| 16:26 | thd | corilynn: You might be able to alter the CSS for the reports results page to some modest benefit from MARCXML. |
| 16:28 | corilynn: If CSS could call XSLT to parse MARCXML you would have a better prospect. XSLT is doing the heavy lifting for MARCXL when presented in the OPAC. | |
| 16:28 | oleonard | CSS cannot call XSLT |
| 16:28 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #52: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.05_D9/52/ |
| 16:30 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 16:30 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 16:30 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #50: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.05_D8/50/ |
| 16:33 | oleonard | tcohen: If you have any other advice about my koha-testing-docker problem I'd be very grateful |
| 16:33 | I'm at an absolute loss | |
| 16:33 | thd | corilynn: oleonard has answered negatively for CSS calling XSLT. JavaScript should be able to call XSLT. However, I suspect that using XSLT would be making your task too difficult. I suggest using the SQL columns populated by the Koha MARC frameworks. The data in the SQL columns was used to populate the OPAC in the past. |
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| 16:38 | corilynn | thd, I'm not sure I understand... |
| 16:41 | thd | corilynn: There are SQL columns populated for title, author, etc. indexed by biblionumber which you should be able to access in a report. |
| 16:42 | corilynn | thd, i think my user wants the marc view like in the advanced (cataloging) editor's search results |
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| 16:49 | thd | corilynn: If you really need more than what has been extracted from MARCXML to populate a few simple SQL fields in the database, then you would need to add some JavaScript to the report results page to parse MARCXML with XSLT or JavaScript directly, however, that would be a big programming task which may be more trouble than it is worth for the intended purpose in reports. |
| 16:50 | * cait | waves |
| 16:50 | thd | cait: Did you survive the dentist? |
| 16:51 | cait | I did :) |
| 16:52 | nothing scary | |
| 16:53 | thd | Dentistry is a weak point for me because no amount of good dental care will make up for growing up in city which did not have fluoride in the water when I was growing up. |
| 16:53 | cait | andreashm++ thx! |
| 16:59 | * oleonard | gives up |
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| 18:42 | ashimema | Evenin' |
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| 18:52 | davidnind[m] | Does anyone know if the Task scheduler tool still works, or if it is used? I'm getting an error 'Failed to add scheduled task'. (https://koha-community.org/man[…]ml#task-scheduler) |
| 18:53 | caroline_catlady | davidnind[m]: I've never been able to make it work |
| 18:53 | davidnind[m] | It's not just me then! |
| 18:54 | caroline_catlady | Anyway, it doesn't meet the needs of my clients, which is periodical scheduling not just one off scheduling |
| 18:54 | davidnind[m] | I assume cron jobs are used where libraries want regular reports generated and sent |
| 18:55 | caroline_catlady | yeah that's what we use |
| 18:55 | It's just that they can't do it themselves, they have to ask us | |
| 19:05 | davidnind[m] | There were some bugs about it, basically rewriting it - bug 1993 and bug 3935 |
| 19:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write |
| 19:05 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Schedule tasks periodically | |
| 19:14 | davidnind[m] | So if something doesn't work (like Task scheduler) then should it be removed? (I guess I should file a bug) |
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| 19:48 | caroline_catlady | any multilingual users around? |
| 19:48 | cait | yep |
| 19:48 | caroline_catlady | oh hi! |
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| 19:49 | caroline_catlady | I just installed a 19.05 version a couple of weeks ago and I noticed that when I switch languages, it takes me back to the main page |
| 19:49 | Before, I used to stay on the same page | |
| 19:49 | Does it do the same for you? | |
| 19:49 | cait | check your baseurls first |
| 19:49 | caroline_catlady | ah good idea! |
| 19:49 | cait | it certainly happens when the baseurls are not set right (sysprefs) |
| 19:49 | Joubu told me - had the same issue before | |
| 19:50 | caroline_catlady | I didn't have the http in my base urls |
| 19:51 | works! cait++ | |
| 19:51 | * caroline_catlady | hugs cait |
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| 19:52 | cait | yay :) |
| 19:52 | Joubu++ | |
| 19:52 | * cait | hugs caroline_catlady |
| 19:52 | kathryn | hello :) oh I arrived in time for a celebration! |
| 19:52 | cait | just needed that after dealing with sad paperwork |
| 19:53 | kathryn: do you also want a hug? :) | |
| 19:53 | kathryn | yes please cait :) |
| 19:53 | * cait | hugs kathryn :) |
| 19:53 | * caroline_catlady | hugs kathryn |
| 19:53 | caroline_catlady | group hug! |
| 19:53 | kathryn | aww the love! |
| 19:53 | * kathryn | hugs back! |
| 19:53 | cait | heh :) |
| 19:54 | kathryn | I hope we can catch up on long-lost hugs next year :) |
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| 19:56 | cait | I would like that :) |
| 19:59 | corilynn | cait, you are the "Katrin Fischer" right? |
| 20:00 | cait | yes? |
| 20:00 | * cait | wonders if that is a bad thing |
| 20:00 | corilynn | cool |
| 20:00 | I just wondered if there was a way to export the one I created, that's basically what I did for your suggestion | |
| 20:01 | caroline_catlady | THE Katrin Fischer |
| 20:01 | corilynn | just so I don't have to go through the merge process again with the 70 that were added accidentally |
| 20:01 | i figured it was easier to go back and forth here than in bugzilla | |
| 20:01 | cait | sorry, missing context right now |
| 20:01 | corilynn | but if I was chatting at the wrong person |
| 20:01 | cait | probably me - it's a little late here |
| 20:01 | corilynn | bug 23779 |
| 20:01 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Importing authority records should look for $1xx field matches |
| 20:02 | cait | I haven't used the staged tools for authorities a lot |
| 20:02 | just some very basic testing | |
| 20:02 | corilynn | I mean, I would attach the one I just made, if ya'll knew how to do that |
| 20:02 | cait | if the authorities are not used in records yet... could you just undo the import? then you can merge them with different rules |
| 20:02 | corilynn | otherwise, whatevs |
| 20:02 | cait | ah, matching rule? |
| 20:03 | corilynn | I did the import sometime last week |
| 20:03 | among several other ones | |
| 20:03 | cait | hm depends on your setup, if there is still an undo button or not |
| 20:03 | did you overlay the records with later ones? | |
| 20:03 | corilynn | I already fixed it, just didn't want it to happen again |
| 20:04 | so I made a matching rule | |
| 20:04 | cait | sorry, it's probably me, not fully grapsing the question yet |
| 20:04 | corilynn | Question: "Is there a way to export the rule I created to update the Bug with?" |
| 20:04 | to make it easier for the developer to come along? | |
| 20:04 | cait | ah |
| 20:04 | sadly not | |
| 20:05 | corilynn | kewl, moot point then |
| 20:05 | cait | I think the best you can do is probably a screenshot |
| 20:05 | corilynn | AH! the magic tool |
| 20:05 | cait | but that woudl be helpful if you found a setting that worked well for you |
| 20:05 | if nothing else helps... screenshot it :) | |
| 20:05 | corilynn | indeed, rule #78 of development / human interactions |
| 20:07 | cait | there is a bug report for koha not importing patrons with diacritics correctly in 19.05 |
| 20:07 | caroline_catlady: do you happen to have done that recently? | |
| 20:07 | caroline_catlady | no, I'm just starting to use 19.05 |
| 20:08 | But I can try? | |
| 20:08 | which bug? | |
| 20:08 | wahanui | which bug is that please ? |
| 20:08 | cait | bug 17359 |
| 20:08 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17359 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Patron import results use wrong encoding |
| 20:10 | caroline_catlady | The first comment says that the patrons are correctly imported, it's just the display that is wrong |
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| 20:11 | cait | she later said the summary was right but the patrons were wrong |
| 20:11 | like it shows in the 3rd screenshot | |
| 20:11 | it should be Müller | |
| 20:11 | caroline_catlady | oh ok, I'm trying right now I conveniently have a patron file |
| 20:11 | cait | cool thx |
| 20:11 | my brain capacity is somewhat limited tonight - first day back at work today after Marseille... so many ticket | |
| 20:11 | s | |
| 20:13 | caroline_catlady | Ok so summary doesn't display correctly |
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| 20:16 | cait | but patron record is ok in your test? |
| 20:16 | caroline_catlady | not sure, I hadn't imported the correct branches/categorycodes |
| 20:16 | still testing :) | |
| 20:17 | cait | hm i am looking at the uploaded file |
| 20:17 | when i open in libre office, the umlauts are borked wit utf-8 selected | |
| 20:21 | i'd say her sample file on the bug is iso-8859-1 | |
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| 20:21 | cait | that can't work... |
| 20:21 | caroline_catlady | mine is still importing and it's UTF8 |
| 20:23 | cait | oh big? |
| 20:23 | or just all good? | |
| 20:23 | i tihnk their encoding on the file is messed up | |
| 20:24 | caroline_catlady | it's a file of an entire school... maybe should have trimmed it first, hehe |
| 20:24 | cait | they are using notepad++... but of course that's only in windows... trying to see what the right option is named they need to use (i do it all the time, but of course can't remember when on this computer :) ) |
| 20:25 | will wait for your results tho | |
| 20:26 | caroline_catlady | I don't remember it being so long when I did it for real for that school.... Maybe because I am running bulkmarcimport at the same time.... >_< |
| 20:27 | cait | heh |
| 20:27 | ambitious | |
| 20:28 | thx for helping to test :) | |
| 20:28 | caroline_catlady | :( timed out... |
| 20:28 | I will still go check some files | |
| 20:28 | cait | it probably still keeps loading in the background |
| 20:28 | caroline_catlady | The patron file appears correctly |
| 20:29 | So I won't have the summary for the import, but in the summary with errors, the encoding was funky | |
| 20:29 | But the patron file is fine | |
| 20:30 | cait | that's good to know |
| 20:30 | maybe you could comment that it works for you? | |
| 20:30 | and then i commen ton the sample file... | |
| 20:30 | caroline_catlady | yup |
| 20:30 | cait | i guess they got a bit frustrated with this |
| 20:39 | caroline_catlady | I added an attachment with one line from my file (name changed), if you want to try it |
| 20:39 | cait | i think it's really their file |
| 20:39 | i just want to help - she is from Gemrany | |
| 20:41 | caroline_catlady++ | |
| 20:42 | caroline_catlady | I will try with her users copy-pasted in TextEditor |
| 20:44 | cait | I really think the file is not quite right encoding wise |
| 20:44 | i compared to yours - yours opens in libreoffice, geany etc. as UTF-8, theirs doesn't | |
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| 20:49 | caroline_catlady | I'm sure you're right. |
| 20:49 | By copying their data in Text Editor, I was able to import it no problem | |
| 20:50 | https://snipboard.io/SUgwdy.jpg | |
| 20:50 | https://snipboard.io/Bb4396.jpg | |
| 20:50 | https://snipboard.io/mzMvxu.jpg | |
| 20:51 | cait | can you open theirs as utf-8 in libreoffice? (or similar) |
| 20:52 | caroline_catlady | How do you download it? When I click on it, it opens in the browser |
| 20:52 | oh I think I got it | |
| 20:53 | cait | i did a ctrl+s |
| 20:53 | caroline_catlady | It opens fin if I choose Latin 3 (8859-1) |
| 20:53 | *fine | |
| 20:54 | cait | yep |
| 20:54 | same for me | |
| 20:57 | caroline_catlady | It doesn't say anywhere that it has to be UTF8 though? |
| 21:05 | cait | it has to be |
| 21:06 | I tink for languages without problematic characters this doesn't pop up as a problem | |
| 21:06 | hm we should definitey add something about encoding | |
| 21:06 | i thought we used to have this | |
| 21:06 | looking at the patron tool start page | |
| 21:07 | can't spot anything in the manual either | |
| 21:08 | caroline_catlady | Anke says she saw it in the documentation |
| 21:12 | cait | hm |
| 21:12 | not spotting it in the manual either | |
| 21:12 | probably should go to sleep | |
| 21:13 | caroline_catlady | can't see it either |
| 21:13 | I'll add it, go to sleep :) | |
| 21:13 | cait | you are a hero :) |
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