IRC log for #koha, 2019-02-14

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06:37 cait AndrewIsh: around already?
06:37 AndrewIsh_: maybe just you and your evil clone? :)
06:42 y
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06:43 cait hi fridolin
06:43 josef_moravec morning cait ;)
06:43 cait morning josef_moravec :)
06:43 thx for posting the notice templates
06:43 really helpful
06:43 josef_moravec Ah, you have seen it ;)
06:43 cait sure have :)
06:44 bug 20581 - 22 patches... pqa.
06:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20581 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Passed QA , Allow manual selection of custom ILL request statuses
06:44 josef_moravec I like them, they look nice on our printers, we designed it with my collegue just few days ago ;)
06:44 fridolin hello
06:44 cait it shows some of the stuff you can do with TT
06:44 we still sorely lack documentation
06:45 like what are the loop variables and such
06:46 josef_moravec true, I found them in C4::Letters code, but that's not the way how it should be done ;)
06:47 cait: would you like to see it in manual, or in wiki?
06:50 cait hm, at the moment i am happy ot just have something, but ultimately it shoudl be i manual
06:50 sometimes for moving a bit faster starting in the wiki might be an option?
06:51 i had started a page after kohacon in portland
06:51 josef_moravec link?
06:51 wahanui link is, like, strange, add / at the end
06:51 cait https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Template_Toolkit
06:51 kyle gave us some help with syntax, but we didn't get much about hte variables
06:51 like their actual names :)
06:51 josef_moravec i could add them ;)
06:52 cait it would help a lot i tihnk
06:52 also to see if what i wrote made sense
06:52 i already spotted a typo at least
07:00 josef_moravec Am I only one who thinks there is missing something on https://perldoc.koha-community.org/
07:05 ashimema <_oftc_josef_ "Am I only one who thinks there i"> Erm..  any hints to what?
07:11 We could use a newer podrenderer.. the one we use doesn't appear to be maintained any longer by the looks
07:11 cait hm it seems to go up unti 18.11.02
07:11 josef_moravec ashimema: it should refer to POD of whole codebase, but there are many modules missing: Koha::Patrons, Koha::Libraries, ...
07:11 cait seems recent
07:12 maybe file a bug with infrastructure on bugzllla
07:12 josef_moravec I'll do
07:12 cait I think it might be gmcharlt for perldoc, butnot sure
07:16 magnuse \o/
07:18 cait++ for https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Template_Toolkit
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07:25 magnuse josef_moravec for the same :-)
07:26 josef_moravec magnuse: still working on it ;)
07:34 cait josef_moravec: could you take a look at bug 19821 for qa maybe?
07:34 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Run tests on a separate database
07:34 cait it's one of the older ones
07:35 ashimema signed off and jajm wrote it - so 2 down :)
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07:37 cait so many andrews
07:37 marcelr hi #koha
07:37 cait hi marcelr :)
07:37 gotta run off, bbiab
07:37 marcelr hi cait
07:38 josef_moravec cait: I'll look into it
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07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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07:47 alex_a bonjour
07:53 magnuse cait++ a thousand times over for qa'ing ill-stuffs
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08:04 ashimema Good luck on bug 19821, I remember it being one of the more challenging ones to wrap my head around.. it's kind enough ago that is SO'd it that I've entirely forgotten how it works
08:04 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Run tests on a separate database
08:07 ashimema Ah, cait is catching up fast on the way leaderboard
08:08 dashboard.koha-community.org
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08:19 magnuse ashimema, AndrewIsh: To use the FreeForm backend on 18.11.x, should I use the master branch or the 18.05 branch?
08:26 AndrewIsh magnuse: master should do it :)
08:26 magnuse thanks!
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08:36 ashimema master
08:37 magnuse master!
08:37 wahanui master is the WIP version. in November, whatever is in the master will become version 18.11 and we'll continue to work on it for the 19,05 version
08:41 ashimema wahanui forget master!
08:41 wahanui ashimema: I forgot master
08:42 magnuse master is Master of puppets, pulling your strings!
08:42 ashimema wahanui master is the WIP version. In May, whatever is in the master will become version 19.05 and we'll continue to work on it for the 19.11 version
08:42 wahanui ...but master is Master of puppets, pulling wahanui's strings!...
08:43 ashimema Lol
08:44 wahanui master is also the WIP version. In May, whatever is in the master will become version 19.05 and we'll continue to work on it for the 19.11 version
08:44 wahanui okay, ashimema.
08:44 ashimema master
08:44 magnuse master?
08:44 wahanui it has been said that master is Master of puppets, pulling my strings!
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08:47 ashimema what is master?
08:47 wahanui i heard master was Master of puppets, pulling my strings!
08:47 ashimema is that really master?
08:47 hmm
08:47 odd
08:47 oh well
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10:34 josef_moravec cait: I just went through code and tried to document variables in notices, this could definitely be improved, but it's at least something ;)
10:34 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Template_Toolkit
10:37 cait you are awesome, thank you
10:38 this will be so helpful
10:38 josef_moravec++
10:39 paxed why is the wiki left-side bar all the way down in that article?
10:40 mismatched tag?
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10:42 cait missing category
10:42 but category has been deactivated
10:42 i think you can enter them using {{ somehow but my mediawiki fu is weak
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10:42 cait i just know adding a category fixes display
10:43 paxed [[Category:foo]] is the mediawiki way
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10:48 eythian hi
10:48 wahanui bidet, eythian
10:50 ashimema anyone fancy testing some presently untested code which should add a nice little enhancemt to the actionlogs details for member updates?
10:50 bug Koha/Patron.pm
10:50 bug 3820
10:50 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3820 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Members in Log Viewer Showing ?? in UPDATE
10:51 ashimema I threw the code together quick as a proof of concept
10:51 * ashimema will add tests and polish it up a bit, but it looking for early feedback at this point
10:54 paxed ashimema: are the fields always in the same order?
10:55 ashimema not yet.. nice suggestion.
10:55 that's easy enough to do
10:55 think it needs a few tweaks for setting/unsetting nul fields too
10:55 paxed (we've got similar change, but it just uses Data::Dumper)
10:56 ashimema feel free to throw it up as an alternative :)
10:56 this was to try and get a conversation going :)
10:57 paxed nah, i think json is better for this
10:57 cait would lovve to see this one fixed
10:57 better logs would have already helped me so muchtoday
10:57 ashimema++
10:58 ashimema patch inbound adding 'canonicalisation' to the to_json call :)
10:58 thanks for that hint :)
10:58 cait lunch time bbiab
11:00 ashimema lol
11:00 it's exposed to me that the shift to Koha::Patron means that when we do any form of modification for the first time since the change we actually also do a 'fixup' on null fields.. setting defaults
11:01 I changed just 'othername' as a test but the log showed me that it also updated 'lost' and 'gonenoaddress' from 'null' to '0';
11:01 fun aye
11:08 * ashimema fires up koha-testing-docker to see how many tests he broke with that
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12:00 magnuse talking of logs, i just saw bug 20750
12:00 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Allow timestamped auditing of ILL request events
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12:03 ashimema poor andrew
12:18 AndrewIsh magnuse: Working on it now! :-D
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12:24 * kidclamp waves
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12:51 oleonard Hi all
12:57 cait hi oleonard :)
12:58 AndrewIsh: it's ok if you solve more than one issue in a patch :)
12:59 added the numbers more for referene and discussion
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13:01 Bora currently i have configure for self check in and out
13:01 how can we set for check in and out withouhgt user login
13:02 i mean we allow user to do self check in and out withough login
13:02 ?
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13:08 oleonard cait: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view[…]?p=15501496577045
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13:17 matts Hey #koha! Anyone knows why we used datatables.inc to translate DataTable messages and not directly the i18n plug-ins for datatable ?
13:17 Is there a good reason ?
13:19 oleonard matts: My guess is it was more consistent with the way we handle translations in general. We don't really have an established procedure for using JavaScript plugin translations
13:20 It's definitely something which is worth re-evaluating
13:20 matts Actually I'm implementing DataTables for Coral ERM and was considering both options.
13:21 Thank you for your feedback oleonard
13:22 oleonard matts: I'll be interested to hear what you decide to do with Coral and whether you think we should change the way we do it in Koha
13:23 matts oleonard, well, the first thing that with i18n plugins, the translations are provided by Datatable, you cannot change them if you wanted to.
13:24 * matts is gonna try both
13:25 * oleonard did not know the  TranslateNotices preference existed
13:27 magnuse AndrewIsh++
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13:28 magnuse oleonard: so many preferences! :-)
13:29 matts oleonard, also, for example, there's only "English", and not en_US and en_GB.
13:29 * matts thinks he'll go the koha way
13:29 oleonard matts: Don't want the English speakers fighting!
13:29 matts :)
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13:39 AndrewIsh cait: Re: solving more than one issue in a patch. Feels wrong to me. A patch = a commit and modifying unrelated things in a single commit is something I always try and avoid. Sorry, it means there's lots of patches :-/
13:41 eythian AndrewIsh: it's a good approach as it makes a) analysing the commit that introduced a bug easier, and b) easier to revert without conflicts or impacting other parts of the application if needed.
13:42 oleonard Agreed (and do as I say not as I do!)
13:43 AndrewIsh eythian: Precisely, that's exactly why I do it. I've been caught out before when I've not done it and had huge pain tracking stuff down and reverting bits of it. Learnt the lesson the wrong way!
13:43 cait hehe
13:43 you 22 patches on the last bug is all I say :P
13:43 eythian yes, commit early, commit often
13:43 cait i had to count them 3 times to make sure i upload them all back up again
13:44 AndrewIsh cait: Yes, I'm not proud of the number of patches, but they are all nice discrete changes
13:45 oleonard Oh are we talking about multiple patches on a single bug? I change my vote :)
13:45 cait it's ok, not a serious complaint from my side
13:46 AndrewIsh oleonard: :-P
13:46 oleonard :D
13:47 cait is someone using runreport.pl?
13:47 i think the mail to the mailing list could be resolved putting that in cron
13:47 [Koha] How to receive reports to email
13:47 but we don't use it
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13:48 oleonard But still.... Bug 3935
13:48 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Schedule tasks periodically
13:48 cait yeah, ut i think it's a workaorund
13:48 oleonard Sure
13:48 cait obviously a bit tedious, because you have to hardcode it all into the report
13:48 into the cronjob sorry
13:49 AndrewIsh: i seem to remember ptfs-e was using it?
13:50 * AndrewIsh stares blankly
13:50 cait sorry :)
13:50 AndrewIsh I dunno, ashimema might know
13:53 cait 2) I felt there shoudl be another way with using an existting function doing this date math
13:53 should say that on the bug i guess :)
13:53 ashimema confused
13:53 I think my irc is going wonky
13:53 cait bug 20750
13:53 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Allow timestamped auditing of ILL request events
13:54 cait there is a function get_epoch
13:54 in logger
13:55 I was wondering if there is not a standard function doing that already
13:55 so we could do without the method
14:00 ashimema tight
14:00 I've caught back up
14:00 really odd
14:00 so.. yes we do use the runreport.pl stuff from the cron for a number of customer
14:01 yes it's a workaround, but every time I've dug into the UI stuff for scheduled tasks I've been met with "but that's a security issue" type responses so I gave up..
14:01 I think lots of people have tried to fix that one.
14:04 AndrewIsh cait: I did look to see if there was a get_epoch type function already available, but came up blank, I'll have another look
14:06 cait:  I'm sure (though I've not checked) it can be done using using DateTIme, but it feels a bit heavy handed to be instantiating two datetime objects per row just to be able to compare them, particularly given how slow DateTime is
14:08 kidclamp we use runreport a lot
14:08 also bug 16149 - eh? eh? interested?
14:08 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16149 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Generate and send custom notices based on report output
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14:10 Archie^ hey josef_moravec you here?
14:11 oleonard Bug 22337 and Bug 20935 won't apply cleanly on each other but I can handle it...if anyone wants to check 'em out :)
14:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Make it clearer that language preferences can be re-ordered
14:11 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Redesign system preferences interface
14:15 * oleonard craving signoffs: https://gifimage.net/wp-conten[…]onesing-gif-6.gif
14:16 ashimema allot of our syspref names are cryptic as heck
14:16 I'm not sure if you're new interface makes that even more obvious
14:17 I think as you've removed the ability to collapse sections too, then we need to float the left menu
14:18 example.. if the `Acquisitions` tab is selected you can quickly click to the `Printing` section.. but you can't quickly click back up.. that feels like a step backwards to me
14:18 oleonard: ^
14:19 I like the look of it but actually I feel it all reads a bit less clear to me I'm afraid :(
14:21 oleonard Thanks for looking at it ashimema, I appreciate the feedback
14:21 * ashimema is racking his brains for what might help him like it more
14:22 ashimema I really do like how it looks.. but I'm hung up on how much more scrolling I seem to have to do.. and although there's more space between things it actually feels harder to read..
14:22 really odd and counter intuitive gut feelings there
14:22 on the upside.. it all works so could easily be signed off
14:22 josef_moravec Hi Archie^, need something? ;)
14:22 cait while we are talking about things that would make my life easier... can we please implement loggin for circulation condition changes too?
14:22 ashimema as far as my quick testing goes so far at least
14:22 cait ok, we weren't actually talking about that, but we shoudl
14:23 Archie^ josef_moravec: yah so i had a question regarding the "lav" errors during mapping authorities to records
14:23 ashimema even the overriden prefs stuff get highlighted nicely.. which is something I thought would be easily overlooked
14:23 Archie^ josef_moravec:  so this is the errors i'm having https://prnt.sc/ml2b1h
14:23 ashimema cait.. is there a bug for it?
14:24 Archie^ josef_moravec:  BUT according to marc21 xml standrats everyting hsould be fine https://www.loc.gov/marc/langu[…]anguage_code.html    <-- search for " lav " and you will see Latvian
14:24 josef_moravec:  so im wondering maybe i've missed some sort of setting enabled in koha?
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14:25 josef_moravec Archie^: your "lav" is used as tag name, which is bad
14:26 cait ashimema: i know what you mean, i had a similar response
14:26 argh, scrolling broken = re new syspref intereface
14:26 ashimema also.. is there no way to collapse the html editor for such syspref blocks once it's been opened
14:27 josef_moravec Archie^: ah, that's different problem, but still not "lat" as latvian
14:27 cait bug 16544
14:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Changes to circ rules should be logged.
14:27 Archie^ josef_moravec:  so i've searched thein records and this is what it looks like https://prnt.sc/ml2l6a
14:27 josef_moravec Archie^: it is that you have authority code "lav" in biblio record
14:28 Archie^: subfield $9
14:29 Archie^: $9 is default, but you may change it in biblio frameworks...
14:29 Archie^ josef_moravec:  but this is in authority records, not sure what biblio records has to do with it ?
14:30 josef_moravec Archie^:  it could be in authority OR biblio record, I can't know it, so mayby field 001 in authorities?
14:32 have to go, by all
14:51 ashimema oleonard: I've SO'd the other one now though..
14:51 so I'm not all mean :
14:52 oleonard ashimema: I do not consider it mean to disagree with me :)
14:52 ashimema++
14:52 The only person you can't disagree with is kidclamp because he will cut you
14:53 ashimema hehe.. I've dissagreed with him plenty ;)
14:53 we like a good debae
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14:59 kidclamp I'm just a knife, knifin' around....cut cut cut cut cut cut cut
15:00 ashimema wow.. circ rules are actually directly hacked at in the pl script rather than going via any classes/modules! :(
15:00 * ashimema was wondering about adding logging
15:00 ashimema but wow.
15:01 oleonard ashimema: That's because no one can touch that page. Patches submitted for it are cursed to die
15:01 ashimema lol
15:01 * ashimema has never tried to date
15:02 now thinks he wont
15:03 quietly giggles at the conversation going on in WhatsApp
15:07 oleonard I could have sworn there was a failed patch for removing SQL from smart-rules.pl but now I can't find one.
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15:08 ashimema lol
15:25 kidclamp oleonard: I blame you that this is stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUykn7v5UXE
15:31 * oleonard will take that heat
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16:01 reiveune bye
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16:11 oleonard Hi CrispyBran
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16:14 Margaret happy valentines day koha
16:15 oleonard Hi Margaret
16:15 Margaret morning oleonard
16:20 eythian wahanui: saint valentine is the patron saint of bees, epilepsy, and the plague.
16:20 wahanui OK, eythian.
16:20 eythian (it's true, look it up.)
16:21 oleonard I think I will!
16:21 saint valentine?
16:21 wahanui i guess saint valentine is the patron saint of bees, epilepsy, and the plague.
16:21 oleonard Wow... verified!
16:21 eythian see
16:34 kidclamp ashimema++
16:34 david_gustafson++
16:35 I don't know his IRC name
16:35 ashimema :)
16:35 oleonard In that case they obviously don't really exist
16:58 Bug 22318 is ready for a look.
16:58 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Extend Koha news feature to include other content areas
17:14 tcohen hi
17:14 wahanui bidet, tcohen
17:16 oleonard Hi tcohen
17:16 tcohen hi oleonard
17:16 wahanui hi oleopard
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18:20 cait Joubu?
18:20 wahanui Joubu is, like, kidding, right ;)
18:30 tcohen hola Joubu
18:30 ashimema Joubu we've missed you....
18:35 cait i still do... i thought i saw him on bugzilla
18:39 ashimema You did.. it surprised me too
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20:16 * andreashm waves
20:17 alexbuckley hi all
20:17 andreashm hi alexbuckley
20:17 cait alexbuckley: wasn't it you having a patch for removing sql from issuingrules? :)
20:18 someone asked about it earlier, ashimema i think
20:18 alexbuckley yes that's right cait :)
20:19 cait can you remind me of the bug number?
20:25 alexbuckley sure
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21:09 alexbuckley hi cait, I trawled through bugzilla but can't seem to find it. I remember I had an series of bug reports for removing the SQL from a number of places. I had to set the assignee back to 'Bug Lists' due to a lack of time recently. I wonder if it has been removed
21:11 cait h not deleted
21:11 maybe a status not included in your search?
21:11 using ALL in front of the search queries makes sure everything turns up
21:11 deleting bugs is realy hard, so we don't do that, aprat from spam sometimes
21:12 alexbuckley ah right yup
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21:41 caroline1 ashimema around?
21:42 cait caroline1: late - almost 10pm in uk i think
21:43 caroline1 I know, but sometimes he's there anyway
21:43 cait: maybe you know
21:43 didn't he write a wiki page on the development process?
21:44 like patch is submitted, then reviewed and signed off, then qa'd etc..
21:45 I'm trying to find the page on the wiki, but I can only find the one where he explains the versionning
21:45 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Koha_Versioning
21:46 cait there are some pages about that
21:47 andreashm cait's ppt about the qa process should be on the wiki! very easy to follow
21:47 cait https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]elopment_workflow
21:47 oh thank you
21:47 i think this is still published via bywater
21:47 caroline1 oh cool! thanks!
21:48 andreashm is this the ppt from last kohacon?
21:48 cait and here too: https://swop.bsz-bw.de/frontdo[…]/index/docId/1322
21:48 andreashm caroline1: that's the one
21:49 cait just remembered we put it in our repo too
21:49 caroline1 cool!
21:50 Some random person is asking Pierre-Marc if his patch will be in the next version of Koha... I'm like "eehh... probably not"
21:50 But she is new to Koha, so we wanted to give her more info on how it works
22:00 * andreashm looks at the most recent document at the bsz repo
22:01 andreashm why? no idea
22:01 cait heh
22:01 no idea what it is
22:02 not  a lot in english there
22:12 andreashm yeah, I noticed. and my german is poor. but a little interesting
22:15 trying to read a document about the gbv-bsz cooperation. =)
22:16 cait ah
22:16 let me know if i can help
22:17 alexbuckley hi cait, found the bug report: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17954 , reopening it
22:17 huginn` Bug 17954: minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Remove the sql code from the smart-rules.pl administrative script
22:18 cait ashimema: see bug 17954 - i thnk you were looking for it earlier
22:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17954 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove the sql code from the smart-rules.pl administrative script
22:18 alexbuckley using the ALL helped thanks
22:20 cait :)
22:23 good night all
22:23 caroline1 bye!
22:23 alexbuckley bye
22:27 andreashm night
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