IRC log for #koha, 2019-01-17

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00:00 caroline1 good night all!
00:34 aleisha_ hello! does anyone know if bug 15110 is still valid? there is no decreaseHighHolds syspref but there are a few that look similar and we're wondering if the issue still exists.
00:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15110 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jke0429, NEW , decreaseHighHolds unclear
00:36 oleonard Looks like it's  decreaseLoanHighHolds aleisha_
00:37 aleisha_ thanks oleonard, we know what to do now ;)
00:37 :)
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00:39 oleonard Hi helene
00:40 helene, I hope my comment on Bug 19818 makes sense
00:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hickeyhe, Patch doesn't apply , Add id into tag html from moremember.tt
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01:53 indradg hi is the mothership (k-c.org) down? Been getting HTTP 500 all day
02:04 rangi hmm seems ok at the moment?
02:07 hmm no its doing some weird stuff, might need to contact wizzyrea (liz) as she looks after the site
02:07 indradg rangi: thanks :-) the sub pages are doing it (e.g. https://koha-community.org/en/[…]-05-07-released/)
02:08 rangi yep
02:12 can you try now?
02:17 i think the server has crashed
02:26 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7143: Update about page for new devs (Academy)wq <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b95c4b85bc3422b22>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 22095: Replaced dead links with working links <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c7d5ef7c953db283c>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 20865: Removed space before : on order receive filters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]226f746fd597362b0>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 21866: Changed "report" to "plugins" for the warning "This report was written... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e331388e56658db84>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 22054: Updated the error message for attempting to renew an onsite checkout <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]78584073354cb43e5>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 22036: Indented code where '^I' was written rather than an indent. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e29e37f5db29d0c7b>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 20165: Changed uppercase letter to a lowercase letter in the patron search search... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5dc724e45964707e1>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 21637: Fixed upercase letter in EasyAnalyticalRecords syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f3aa09bfb10cd9f23>
02:26 News from kohagit: Bug 22011: Fixed Typo on batchMod-edit.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2745c6168979359ca>
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02:30 kidclamp Academy++
02:31 have a good night all
02:39 aleisha_ hi gmcharlt_ are you around? we have a question about bug 11996
02:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11996 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , default active currencies for ru-RU and uk-UA are probably wrong
02:40 aleisha_ we're just not sure what to do for the Ukraine currency because the currency isn't already in there like for the Russia currencies, and we aren't sure of the data ourselve
02:40 s
02:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #127: FAILURE in 13 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/127/
03:00 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #640: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/640/
03:02 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #150: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/150/
03:03 rangi aleisha_: did you see http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b95c4b85bc3422b22
03:14 aleisha_ yay!
03:14 oh no helene's name is spelled wrong!
03:15 rangi ahh easy patch for someone there then :)
03:16 aleisha_ true :-)
03:47 kidclamp Ah, sorry
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07:02 magnuse @later tell rangi finally got to see "hunt for the wilderpeople" last week - really enjoyed it!
07:02 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
07:02 magnuse \o/
07:11 sooo, patches from academy students: should we rush to sign them off, or should we leave them for other academy students to tackle?
07:12 davidnind there is a lot!
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07:44 reiveune hello
07:44 wahanui what's up, reiveune
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08:02 fridolin hi there
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08:41 ashimema mornin'
08:42 I bet lots of the academy bugs are string changes aren't they
08:42 * ashimema was hoping to perhaps push a few today
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10:24 cait some are, but not all
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10:35 tcohen hi
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11:02 eythian hi
11:02 wahanui niihau, eythian
12:21 * kidclamp waves
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12:35 oleonard_ Hi all
12:35 Oh no there's another one.
12:36 calire imposter!
12:36 oleonard_ It's me from the past. It's a ghost.
12:37 * calire hides
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14:03 caroline bonjour!
14:04 * oleonard_ waves
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14:40 caroline I'm looking for the index "l-format" in the zebra index files (biblio-zebra.indexdefs.xsl, biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml) but I can't find it anywhere. Where should I look?
14:42 cait hm
14:42 wher did you get the name?
14:43 tcohen ccl.properties
14:43 cait i'd look for mappings at ccl.properties
14:43 yep
14:43 it might have been shortcut
14:43 caroline I search for Subtypes Braille
14:43 cait hm
14:43 caroline It says l-format:fk
14:43 cait actually it hasn't l-format ff7-01-02
14:43 or
14:43 yep
14:44 ff1-01-02
14:44 that's it
14:44 tcohen but if it isn't in biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml, then Zebra will not be creating it
14:44 caroline I found the other ones look in 007/00-01, but braille is not fk, so I'm wondering why it's looking for fk
14:45 cait hm it looks at 007
14:45 position 2?
14:46 39   <index_control_field tag="007" offset="0" length="2">
14:46 40     <target_index>ff7-01-02:w</target_index>
14:46 41   </index_control_field>
14:46 caroline 007/00-001 = fb is "Tactile material/Braille", which makes sense (but not fk
14:47 and 007/00-01 = tc is "Text/Braille"
14:47 cait it says 0, 2
14:47 i am never sure if that's 2 or 1
14:47 let's say it's one, becuse 0 1
14:48 caroline ok, so it looks in 007/00 and 007/02?
14:48 argh...
14:48 cait shoudl be 007 pos 1 = b.... i guess?
14:49 hm or 007, pos 0 = f
14:49 caroline I'm looking at the codes here http://www.marc21.ca/M21/COD/Z[…]/BIB/BCZ-007.html
14:49 cait http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007f.html
14:49 i am here
14:49 caroline there are no "k" that mean anything close to Braille"
14:49 cait let me check our opac
14:50 atually we always hide those because they don't work
14:50 with the union catalog data
14:50 caroline Could it be possible that it was changed from k to b since ?
14:50 cait or it was just neve right
14:51 hm
14:51 it should be fb
14:51 it indexes the first 2
14:51 that's it
14:51 007pos 0+1
14:53 caroline ok, that makes more sense :)
14:53 I'll file a bug
14:53 thx cait!
14:53 does it say fk in your catalog too?
14:53 cait indexes. *grump*
14:53 yep - 18.11
14:54 i see nor format change notes on the loc page
14:54 caroline ok, at least it's not just mine
14:54 cait and no fk in the standard
15:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #128: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/128/
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16:04 cait oleonard_: which photo did you like better? hands up or down?
16:05 oleonard_ I vote up. An up vote, if you will.
16:05 cait same
16:05 trying to add it now
16:06 right now still trying to find the start page
16:10 ashimema: around?
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16:11 oleonard_ Oh no I didn't notice my ghost had left and now he's back
16:11 cait oh no
16:12 * oleonard_ wonders if that means the cat woke up my computer at home
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16:27 talljoy morning
16:27 oleonard_ Hi talljoy
16:28 talljoy i know how to clear a room.  heh
16:29 oleonard_ It's my ghost, he's gone!
16:29 talljoy or just owen's twins
16:29 cait as long as it#s not an evil twin that would be awesome
16:30 oleonard talljoy: That'll teach me to get on IRC after hours. Ghosts.
16:31 cait caroline: do you have a master db at hand maybe for a quick check? or oleonard?
16:31 i just need to know the default sort for subscriptions
16:31 because it look slike it's issn
16:31 and i think it shoudl be title
16:31 hm
16:33 oleonard What do you mean by default sort cait?
16:33 cait default sor tfor the subscription result list
16:34 oleonard In my system it's very helpfully sorting by checkboxes
16:34 cait oh nice heh
16:34 so maybe it was issn before, because that's the first column on 17.11
16:34 i'll file a bug :)
16:35 i think title would be nice
16:36 bug 22156
16:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22156 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Subscription result list sorty by "checkbox"
16:37 cait bug 22156
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16:39 cait i fixed the title
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17:06 reiveune bye
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17:19 * oleonard waves to wizzyrea
17:26 wizzyrea hi :)
17:26 fyi apropos the meeting
17:26 the website is updated
17:26 @later tell cait website should be happier now
17:26 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
17:27 wizzyrea fixed a bunch of things akshully
17:27 oleonard wizzyrea++
17:28 wizzyrea now I've forgotten why I got out my computer
17:28 maybe it was to do that stuff lol
17:28 cait hi, amhere :)
17:28 hi wizzyrea
17:28 wizzyrea hi
17:29 oleonard, do we have a newer theme for the opac than what we've got in the screens on the home page?
17:29 cait might be cache, but can you take a look at try it now?
17:29 ah... itw orks, never mind
17:29 yesterday it didn't work with demo only with demo/... seems good now
17:30 oleonard wizzyrea: Yes we do
17:30 wizzyrea like I said, I fixed several things
17:30 ;)
17:30 cait :)
17:30 wizzyrea++
17:30 wizzyrea could I impose upon you oleonard to make me a new little graphic like that?
17:30 with the new opac?
17:30 i'm rubbish at gimp and you probably have heaps better tools than I do
17:30 cait oleonard: wizzyrea: we also wanted to add the version to the demo page - where shoudl the new column go? beginning or end?
17:31 oleonard Sure. I was just looking at it and wondering who made it originally
17:31 wizzyrea me :P
17:31 it took me ages
17:31 cait wizzyrea: he optimized the picture for the front page too ;)
17:31 oleonard++
17:31 wizzyrea yaaay
17:31 oleonard++
17:31 cait the new editor is a bit strange
17:31 wizzyrea and I've just updated it again
17:31 heh
17:32 hm
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17:33 wizzyrea sorry cait i'm thinking about your query
17:33 i think we had it on there for a while
17:34 and it proved to be a maintenance nightmare
17:34 cait i am volunteering to try it out
17:34 i was thinking maybe we could have a website mail thing - so we can help out
17:34 the issue is we are advertising 18.11... but only very few offer that
17:34 wizzyrea I feel like, and this will be an unpopular opinion i reckon
17:34 that if you're not going to commit to running latest
17:35 you don't get your demo on that page.
17:35 cait yeah... i think maybe this is just a step to wake some up
17:35 dunno
17:35 it seemed bad for people wanting to see the newest
17:36 wizzyrea that or we run up one we control as a community
17:36 which might be better
17:36 and take the vendors out of it.
17:36 cait yeah that would be ideal i reckon
17:36 wizzyrea maybe point to a sandbox instead
17:36 cait also can ensure lots of langs installed
17:36 wizzyrea yeah
17:36 cait currently i think sandbox would not be ideal becuase of translations - the new system can't do them yet i thnk
17:36 but it might be nice
17:37 wizzyrea if we have to have the version on there, then I guess the 2nd column
17:37 company, version, opac, intranet
17:37 etc
17:38 but as mentioned it was a bit of a nightmare.
17:38 to maintain
17:39 cait i put it after marcflavor heh
17:39 i am almost done - we can chec it and move then
17:39 wizzyrea you log in as kfischer yeah/
17:39 ?
17:39 cait yep
17:39 wizzyrea k
17:40 cait software coop seems down
17:40 http://library.software.coop/c[…]ha/maintenance.pl
17:40 wizzyrea i've given you some new permissions
17:40 cait oooh shiny
17:40 should i comment them out?
17:40 wizzyrea gonna guess they've got some automation something that's broken, it happens occasionally
17:40 cait can't get the version
17:40 wizzyrea ^ maintenance nightmare lol
17:41 cait heh
17:41 wizzyrea could remove it
17:41 cait i will try it out - check on first every month or so
17:42 how would i go about changing front page?
17:42 wizzyrea see your dm's
17:43 cait https://koha-community.org/demo/
17:43 wizzyrea cait++
17:44 caroline good job cait! cait++
17:44 cait I'll add a reminder to my calendar
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18:07 wizzyrea right, running away for a little while email if anything looks stupid on the website (I don't anticipate it will but you never know after updates)
18:12 davidnind wizzyrea++
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18:55 rangi morning
18:55 cait morning!
18:55 caroline good morning!
18:55 oleonard Hi rangi
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19:39 cait oleonard: did you figure out why the other check didn't work from the template? bug 22134)
19:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Add account expiration information to patron details
19:39 oleonard I didn't really get a chance to look into it today
19:40 cait the patch doesn't look quite right
19:40 it looks like you keep is_expired but remove is_going_to_expire
19:40 https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=84147
19:40 is it me?
19:41 oleonard is_going_to_expire isn't actually used in the template
19:41 unless I messed up
19:44 Has anyone converted  ISSUEQSLIP to template tookit?
19:44 cait haven't dabbled with TT yet, sorry
19:45 why not remove both template variables then?
19:45 first patch added them
19:45 i might have to take another look
19:46 i think it appears as warndeparture
19:46 oleonard The "flagged" variable is set so that display of the messages block can controlled
19:59 cait: I might be completely wrong about is_going_to_expire. It's working differently than it did last night when I tested.
19:59 * oleonard will come back to it
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20:03 caroline cait re: bug 18723
20:03 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator on receive
20:04 caroline in your comment, I don't understand if the patch is too complicated or if you reject the patch completely?
20:04 cait no
20:04 i was grumpy because it's 'in discussion' again
20:05 caroline ah ok... yeah that made me grumpy too
20:05 cait and it might be the wrong fix
20:05 caroline but tuxayo signed in off, I don't understand
20:05 cait making only this one form behave like the currencyformat selected would be wrong
20:05 reading the full test plan now
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20:06 caroline I agree, but we needed to correct this for our clients, that is the only place I noticed that the price is multiplied
20:06 cait yeah i tihnk it's ont what we want right now
20:06 just bring back the dot
20:06 figure out a general solution
20:06 next
20:06 caroline it's a band-aid patch, but at least it works and nobody will have a heart attack while we develop the bigger patch
20:07 (we = me not included :) )
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20:11 cait i am just grumpy because libraries complain to me about it
20:11 and for a long time
20:11 reported in 2017!
20:12 caroline "it" being the general problem of . vs , or this form in particular?
20:13 cait this form
20:13 this form is the only one out of line that i know of
20:13 it#s a little crazy
20:13 we currently have turned currencyformat back to US
20:13 because that 'fixes' it
20:14 caroline do you usually use 0 000,00 or the one with th apostrophe?
20:14 cait , and space
20:14 german actually would be a thousands dot
20:14 but both are understaood
20:15 the apostrophe is swiss  :)
20:16 caroline So do you think we could use this patch for this form while we wait for the bigger, all-emcompassing patch?
20:17 cait it reads like it keeps the wrong behavior but puts a textual wraning on it?
20:17 or an alert
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20:17 cait it's like those street signs that say 'beare the road is broken'
20:17 caroline hehe!
20:17 rangi bears always break roads
20:18 cait bears? :)
20:18 caroline I think it's the right behavior because it uses the decimal punctuation from CurrencyFormat
20:18 beers?
20:18 cait i think it#s what we should do in the future everywhere
20:18 but at once
20:18 this only fixes one form
20:18 so for master... not sure about the code, but the behaviour seems ok
20:19 caroline It will be too big to correct all the forms in one patch, no?
20:19 cait yep, that's why i htink do it lie we did with the new date format
20:19 do one form after the other during a 6 month period - for a major release
20:19 caroline ok
20:19 cait i am a big fan of having the display format expect the expected input
20:20 but some people wanted the forms to accept all and everything and I don't believe that's a good idea
20:20 caroline so should I create a bug that is for only this form?
20:20 cait the bug is for this form :)
20:21 caroline ah ok! I though it was for another in acquisitions and I had just hijacked it :)
20:21 cait on receive = but people keep derailing it
20:21 oh lol
20:21 trying to knit a thumb here... and I totally messed it up
20:22 i knitted it closed...
20:22 caroline oops! lol!
20:22 cait closed it... whatever
20:22 probably should concentrate on that for a little bit
20:22 :)
20:23 tuxayo cait caroline bug 18723 if you feel it can move forward then swich it to sign off 🙂
20:23 I wasn't sure "in discussion" was appropriate. It was because of the feedback I had on the payments/fines bugzilla
20:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator on receive
20:24 caroline hi tuxayo! :)
20:24 I'm not sure of all the comments... @_@
20:26 What I understand is : 1) fix one form at a time, but quickly, 2) decimal based on CurrencyFormat, 3) make display mirror the decimal that is expected in input
20:26 tuxayo (I did't read much of the chat here and the new comments in bugzilla, I'm on mobile)
20:26 caroline is that what you had too tuxayo?
20:26 in your new specs?
20:26 cait that's what i would prefer
20:27 with a 0) make this one form behave as it did before - always expecting a dot
20:27 then start fixing it globally
20:27 we always derail the fix with discussion about how to move forward make it all nice... but koha is not all nice now
20:27 it works with dots.
20:30 caroline couldn't this form be the first of the new generation?
20:30 cait yep - but not for backporting
20:30 caroline right
20:30 cait that's my point
20:30 libraries in 17.11 still have one form to remember to enter different than all others
20:30 because we haven't fixed that in 1.5 year
20:30 s
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20:32 caroline So there would be one patch extra to backport the fix in the older version
20:32 cait i'd really love that as a first step
20:35 ah but beware... not sure about the warning
20:35 but you can't just check for dot or comma
20:35 because we use dot as thousand separators and US use ,
20:35 so both might appear.
20:35 caroline It has to be the same as CurrencyFormat
20:36 cait thousand opeartors should not be mandatory
20:36 caroline do you have a CurrencyFormet for the german writing?
20:36 I don't have it in my koha, but I don't have German installed
20:36 cait and it should accept full values
20:36 12
20:36 instead of 12,00
20:36 you don't need
20:36 i mean the translation is indepentent
20:36 independent
20:36 just switching the pref around is all you need
20:37 caroline Yes, that I gathered. But I only have three options in my Koha, US, FR and CH. I was wondering if you had a German one
20:37 cait ah no
20:37 we use fr
20:38 i guess we couls add it :)
20:39 totally lost track of my rounds on the thumb, but it's still open
21:00 caroline: maybe you were irght- make a separate bug
21:00 for changing the behaviour (enh) and we keep this for bugfix?
21:06 tuxayo <_oftc_caroli "is that what you had too tuxayo?"> caroline "what you had" The content of my last comment on bug 18723?
21:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator on receive
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21:07 caroline tuxayo: I meant in your revised specs for the system-wide decimal fix
21:07 they're in another bug I think
21:09 bug 21507
21:09 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21507 major, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines, simplified
21:09 caroline I see that this is only for patron payment/fines
21:09 not acq
21:10 * cait goes away to wash her owl mittens
21:10 cait maybe that will make me less grumpy :)
21:10 tuxayo <_oftc_caroli "What I understand is : 1) fix on"> Oh I missed that, sorry for the confusion
21:10 caroline cait this bug ^ says not to handle thousand separator
21:10 cait i am ok with thta
21:10 caroline ok
21:10 cait i think people usually don't type them
21:11 tuxayo 3: no, the direction is to not parse thousand separators
21:11 caroline So it's basically the same as we said except for "display should mirror expected entry"
21:11 tuxayo 😃
21:12 caroline I asked José-Mario to review his patch for bug 18723 to allow only the dot
21:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator on receive
21:13 caroline (I told him to keep his current patch on the side)
21:13 I will talk to blou about José-Mario working on the forms one by one, but I'm not sure he will accept
21:15 He is grumpy because bug 17015 is not moving...
21:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , New Koha Calendar
21:27 cait it's big
21:28 caroline i know... -_-
21:28 I asked, and apparently, it's the smallest they were able to make it
21:28 cait and it's a very central part
21:29 both make it hard :(
21:29 caroline What do you think they would need to change to make it easier to pass?
21:30 I thought about separating it, but like I said, I asked and they said no
21:35 cait I haven't looked at it closely, so can't really tell
21:36 caroline I would really like to find a way to make this pass... I've been racking by brain to find a solution that would make it easier
21:44 cait is there an rfc?
21:45 caroline I don't know, would that make it easier?
21:45 I don't think so
21:45 (I don't think so that there is an rfc)
21:47 cait having an up to date description of how it works might help
21:47 no guarantee tho
21:47 caroline hehe!
21:47 cait but with lots of bug comments an dsuch it's hard to get through
21:47 caroline but it's an idea!
21:47 I will let them know
21:47 cait having a reference document might give it a push
21:47 might also start discussion, but it's movement
21:48 caroline I could maybe even write about a couple of the functionalities, since it's the one we use in production with our clients
21:55 cait good night all :)
21:55 caroline good night!
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22:39 caroline My turn to take off, good night!
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