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| 05:33 | RudyW | Update on my Plack: it is actually working and it makes a big difference. Just not where I was testing on the OPAC. It works on INTRANET. |
| 05:34 | Now checking whether Plack can be setup for OPAC as well. Can it? | |
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| 05:40 | archie | Hi people |
| 05:41 | can someone explain to me what i'm doing wrong regarding Home › Administration › System preferences | |
| 05:41 | ? | |
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| 06:13 | fridolin | hi there |
| 06:18 | archie | hi fridolin |
| 06:18 | has anyone had any experiance with JQuery modifications:via administration screen? | |
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| 06:29 | fridolin | archie: hi, you mean using IntranetUserJS preference ? |
| 06:30 | archie | yeah and OPACUserJS |
| 06:30 | calire | archie, what do you want to change? |
| 06:31 | morning #koha | |
| 06:32 | archie | well, anything would be fine, i just wanna see it this actually works. for instance i'm trying to change the text of the OPAC login link using $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING123"); but this does not work for some reason |
| 06:32 | or maybe i'm doing something wrong. | |
| 06:34 | so what i'm doing is: I'm going to the Home › Administration › System preferences, typing in OPACUserJS, and typing in $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TEST"); pressing save all opac preferences But when i go into OPAC nothing is changed | |
| 06:34 | should i restart apache server or something | |
| 06:37 | calire | no you don't need to restart anything |
| 06:38 | ashimema | If your using plack you may need to restart that.. that's a bug that you do though.. |
| 06:39 | If something like that isn't taking effect immediately I restart plack.. then memcached.. then Apache.. checking between each restart whether it's taken effect | |
| 06:39 | Feel free to report it as a bug.. not sure if it's in bugzilla already or not.. it is/was well known.. annoy me but I've never got around to properly investigating | |
| 06:40 | calire | then I'll rephrase: you *shouldn't* need to restart anything |
| 06:40 | I was playing with intranetuserjs all day yesterday and didn't need to restart | |
| 06:41 | on an older version though admittedly | |
| 06:42 | ashimema | Using plack calibre? |
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| 06:42 | ashimema | Grr, silly autocomplete |
| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:42 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
| 06:43 | calire | ashimema yes |
| 06:43 | josef_moravec | hello #koha |
| 06:43 | ashimema | Oh, cool. Maybe they fixed system preference cache invalidation and u just didn't notice. 😀 |
| 06:43 | I | |
| 06:44 | S/u/i | |
| 06:44 | calire | like I say, it'snot the newest version so I dunno, but I've not had that issue before |
| 06:51 | archie | well if i installed koha using packages |
| 06:51 | shouldnt it be up to date | |
| 06:51 | ? | |
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| 06:57 | ashimema | indeed it should |
| 06:58 | archie is your js inside an onload event? | |
| 06:58 | archie | ok, so i'm farily new to this. Can you rephrase that question a little bit? :D |
| 07:00 | ashimema: where can i check that? | |
| 07:00 | ashimema | so the OPACUserJS and IntranetUserJS both just accept javascript.. they don't automatically tirgger it's application |
| 07:00 | so.. | |
| 07:00 | you need to have | |
| 07:00 | `$(document).ready(function () {` your things here `});` | |
| 07:01 | it's the document ready function that says 'once the page has fully loaded, run this stuff' | |
| 07:01 | calire | I jsut tried out archie 's JS on my devbox and it doesn't seem to be taking |
| 07:01 | ashimema | without it your JS will be there but won't actualy trigger |
| 07:01 | odd | |
| 07:02 | archie | so $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); turns into $(document).ready(function () {` $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); `}); |
| 07:02 | right? | |
| 07:03 | ashimema | that's right archie |
| 07:03 | though I imagine calire did that bit.. so if it's still not working it would seem to be an issue in the js you've written | |
| 07:03 | archie | ok i'll check ;) |
| 07:03 | ashimema | I'm just reading it to try and understand where the selector might be going wrong |
| 07:04 | calire | yeah I was just trying to troubleshoot the selector |
| 07:04 | I'm no pro ;) | |
| 07:06 | ashimema | oh.. in that paste above you have backticks |
| 07:06 | $(document).ready(function () { $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); }); | |
| 07:06 | $(document).ready(function () { $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); }); | |
| 07:07 | $("#members > ul > li > a").text("TESTING"); | |
| 07:07 | $("#members > ul > li > a").text("TESTING"); | |
| 07:07 | that works | |
| 07:08 | so it's a selector issue.. | |
| 07:08 | my selector is a bit broad.. but yours appears to be too narrow and doesn't catch the right element for some reason | |
| 07:08 | archie | oh wow it works |
| 07:08 | thanks gang you are the best ;D | |
| 07:09 | calire | maybe this if you just want to change one link |
| 07:09 | $("#members > ul > li > a.login-link").text("TESTING"); | |
| 07:09 | that works for me | |
| 07:09 | ashimema | calire++ |
| 07:09 | it takes a bit of practice.. but once you've mastered it there's a heck of allot you can do with those system preferences.. you can completely change the page if you want :) | |
| 07:10 | right.. i need to go do a school run now.. back in half an hour :) | |
| 07:11 | as a random hint.. if your using chrome (and probably there's a way in firefox too).. you can literally type your JS in the 'console' in dev tool.. hit enter and it'll run immediately.. it's a great way to quickly test selectors and js code | |
| 07:12 | calire | probably, you can for css in firefox |
| 07:12 | I haven't tried with JS | |
| 07:12 | ashimema | :) |
| 07:12 | calire | but I'm now going to... |
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| 07:19 | archie | right, another question. has anyone used any type of ETL's to migrate any library to koha |
| 07:19 | andreashm | mornng |
| 07:19 | morning | |
| 07:19 | archie | morning andreashm |
| 07:20 | andreashm | hi archie |
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| 07:42 | ashimema | ETL ? |
| 07:54 | archie | ashimema: extract transform load. It is a method used to migrate one database to another |
| 07:54 | ashimema | I've done plenty of migrations over the years.. yet I've never heard that tla |
| 07:56 | * cait | waves from her desk |
| 07:56 | ashimema | cait's back :) |
| 07:58 | cait | let's say 80% back :) |
| 08:08 | andreashm | oh, 80% cait! (what happened to the other 20% I wonder?) |
| 08:09 | cait | it still got the cold |
| 08:09 | archie | ashimema: have you ever migrated data from other libraries to koha? |
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| 08:11 | andreashm | matts++ |
| 08:11 | cait | archie: i think most of us have done that |
| 08:11 | but i am not aware of the expression either | |
| 08:12 | archie | right, in that case i have a concern. let's say i have a Library A and Library B and i want to merge them into koha. How will the book merging be done so there are no duplicates in system? |
| 08:18 | ashimema | well you need to find a way to identify duplicate first and then work with that assumption to code your migration |
| 08:18 | all the support companies are doing such a task i imagine on a very regular basis | |
| 08:19 | there is no magic bullet | |
| 08:20 | josef_moravec++ #pragmatic and constructive responses to bug feedback :) | |
| 08:23 | josef_moravec | ashimema: ;) |
| 08:23 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:30 | cait | archie: koha has the matching rules for importing data, i would assume people are using that |
| 08:31 | ashimema | we sometimes use that, we sometimes match before we load ;) |
| 08:31 | depends on the circumstances of the import and stuff | |
| 08:31 | but yeah.. those mathcing rules are pretty powerful and good | |
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| 08:54 | archie | does koha support some sort of front end portal (like opec) that could provide E-books for customers ? |
| 08:57 | cait | Koha has an OPAC, you can load records for e-resources |
| 08:57 | you can also use Koha in combination with open source or proprietory RDS systems | |
| 08:57 | it depends on your use cases and what you want to do | |
| 08:57 | the question is a bit general | |
| 08:58 | archie | well. perfectly we would have a place for a publisher to load e-books directly and students could "lend" these ebooks for 14 days or so |
| 08:58 | cait | it depends on the publisher |
| 08:59 | koha has direct support for overdrive and another with 18.11 (not used here, so i forget) | |
| 08:59 | but it really depends on what kind of service and API the publisher offers in the first place | |
| 08:59 | where are you from, archie? | |
| 09:00 | archie | Latvia |
| 09:00 | * ashimema | would like to add.. Koha is open source.. if there's something it doesn't do yet that you want it to do, you can always add it ;) |
| 09:04 | cait | archie: there is no standard for this, so that's a problem created by the publishers that makes it hard on every ILS to support those workflows |
| 09:05 | archie | yes i understand that but right now we are in the middle of a project and i need to understand how many developers/analysts/testers to hire. so weather there is some sort of existing solution or should we build from ground up ;) that's why i'm asking |
| 09:05 | cait | interesting :) |
| 09:07 | archie | something like openlibrary.org |
| 09:07 | theoverdrive does not work in Latvia AFAK | |
| 09:07 | cait | i am not sure that openlibrary has a loan model |
| 09:07 | haven't heard of it at least | |
| 09:09 | davidnind | With Open Library you can loan any ebooks for a set period |
| 09:09 | cait | cool, someone has a link? |
| 09:10 | i think i see it, didn't know that | |
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| 09:10 | cait | we had some open library integration for covers, never seen a bug for the loans |
| 09:12 | someone aware of problems searching for extended patron attributes with multiple words? | |
| 09:13 | andreashm | we don't have extended attributes with multiple words, sorry, no help here |
| 09:13 | cait | i have one with names |
| 09:13 | and you can find it searching for the first or second part... but not together | |
| 09:14 | i am a bit puzzled | |
| 09:14 | davidnind | Here as link - borrowing books from the Open Library https://openlibrary.org/help/faq/borrow |
| 09:15 | as s/be is! | |
| 09:16 | cait | thx davidnind! |
| 09:16 | wonder if that also can work without an openlibrary account? | |
| 09:17 | seems like you'd need that for it to integrate with Koha | |
| 09:18 | davidnind | You need an account for borrowing |
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| 09:19 | davidnind | Don't think it is needed for any out of copyright books/other materials |
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| 09:20 | andreashm | https://openlibrary.org/developers/api |
| 09:21 | davidnind | You can also embed documents using their book reader https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/bookreader which is pretty cool |
| 09:21 | cait | don't see something about borrowing |
| 09:23 | andreashm | It's mentioned in the Read API section |
| 09:23 | "The results may offer links to borrowable books" | |
| 09:23 | cait | sorry might just be my 'cold' brain |
| 09:23 | andreashm | whatever that means |
| 09:23 | cait | i think you can display |
| 09:24 | but still have to go through to the openlibrary website | |
| 09:24 | for the actual process | |
| 09:24 | andreashm | probably |
| 09:24 | wahanui | i think probably is too hard. |
| 09:25 | andreashm | Seems to work pretty well though, looking at the demo site: http://internetarchive.github.[…]readapi_demo.html |
| 09:28 | davidnind | Nice! You can download PDFs/ePubs/Plain Text/Daisy/Kindle versions where these are freely available - quality of text will depend on how good the OCR is though |
| 09:29 | cait | :) |
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| 09:40 | cait | for the extended pattributes - i think the problem is not multiple words, it doesn't like commas |
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| 09:51 | archie | yeah from the looks of it everything will just redirect to open library |
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| 10:04 | fridolin | cait: coucou |
| 10:05 | cait: Bug 21396 | |
| 10:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21396 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Missing use statements in Koha::Account |
| 10:05 | fridolin | whould you say for 17.11.x too ? |
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| 11:15 | * ashimema | is back |
| 11:19 | archie | cait: you said you've done DB migration |
| 11:20 | how excatly did you do that? did you extract CSV's from 1 DB and uploaded it to Koha? | |
| 11:20 | or you used some soft for that ? | |
| 11:21 | Like pentaho or something | |
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| 11:33 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 11:34 | archie | hi oleonard |
| 11:34 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
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| 11:36 | andreashm | hi ere |
| 11:38 | calire | hi oleonard |
| 11:38 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 11:38 | andreashm | ere: I did start looking at your holdings record patch, but never got very far. one thing that looked strange to me was the new holdings tab - since the old one is also called that there was now two holdings tabs. it looked strange and can create a lot of confusion... |
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| 11:39 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:40 | andreashm | hi marcelr |
| 11:40 | ere | andreashm: Hi! Sorry about that. The updated version I just attached a couple of hours ago fixes that, among others. |
| 11:40 | There had been some changes to the tabs code and I had made a mistake while rebasing.. | |
| 11:42 | ashimema: Hi! Yes, bug 19365 is blocked by bug 19893. Strange thing is that "git bz apply 19365" doesn't offer to follow the dependency.. | |
| 11:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19365 major, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, BLOCKED , link_bibs_to_authorities.pl doesn't work with Elasticsearch |
| 11:42 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Failed QA , Alternative optimized indexing for Elasticsearch | |
| 11:43 | ashimema | Oh.. but it is already based upon it.. cool |
| 11:43 | cait | archie: sorry, was on lunch break |
| 11:43 | ashimema | so testable |
| 11:43 | just not especially worth testing until the other one is moving again | |
| 11:43 | cait | usually you extract the data from the system if you are lucky, you can get marc21 for bibliographic data, most of the tiem you are not |
| 11:43 | * ashimema | needs to check whether it is |
| 11:43 | cait | bibiographic data has to be converted to marc21 |
| 11:44 | for everythign else it#s usually csv,mapping to the koha database and migration script | |
| 11:44 | s | |
| 11:44 | archie | so no actual soft is used? |
| 11:44 | cait | bibliogrpahic records, authorities, items = MARC21 |
| 11:44 | it might vary | |
| 11:45 | ashimema | you can use whatever you like archie |
| 11:45 | cait | we write our own, i think this is common |
| 11:45 | ashimema | but there is no magic bullet |
| 11:45 | you will need to understand the schema of the two systems to some extent whatever tool you use | |
| 11:46 | cait | exactly |
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| 11:46 | ere | ashimema: Yes, testable, but you need to make sure to apply 19893 first.. |
| 11:46 | cait | and most of the time there is a lot that is not 1:1 in the mappings |
| 11:46 | archie | ashimema: i mean i'm looking at pentaho since everyone praise it for migrating the databases |
| 11:46 | ashimema | there are plenty of examples out there going from system x to system y of course.. bug there really isn't a magic "Go from ANY sytem to ANY system button on any thing" |
| 11:46 | andreashm | ere: oh, I had noticed you added a nw patch. Must have missed to cc me on the bug |
| 11:47 | ere | andreashm: oh, ok :) |
| 11:47 | ashimema | people often come here and say 'Anyone done a migration from X to Koha' and at that point we can offer assistance if we've done one.. |
| 11:48 | even then though.. you often find people migrating from the same system have their own special way of using that system that means it's not a 100% duplicate of migration work | |
| 11:48 | archie^ | |
| 11:48 | archie | right probably going to have million of questions when migration actually starts. hopefully next monday |
| 11:48 | ere | ashimema: "own special way" is a very nice way to put it :) |
| 11:48 | ashimema | hehe |
| 11:49 | I don't interface with customers as much as I used to ;) | |
| 11:49 | I do few enough migrations now that it's a fun break from feature coding ;) | |
| 11:50 | ere | Often the truth is that the old system had a bug or "feature" that allowed a very creative solution... The worst case I've worked with had 5 freetext fields for subject terms with automatic wrapping to the next line. Slightly painful to convert.. |
| 11:51 | ashimema | lol |
| 11:51 | cait | archie: what are you migrating from? |
| 11:52 | archie | it's a platform that's been specifically written for some libraries in my country |
| 11:52 | cait | there is also the generation thing |
| 11:52 | with every new staff member things slightly change | |
| 11:52 | like ... different fields get used over time etc. | |
| 11:52 | archie | around 15 years old and not being supported anymore |
| 11:52 | cait | so you have... layers |
| 11:53 | archie | also probably going to migrate from Aleph but i've found a thread on koha community on how that been done |
| 11:53 | ashimema | so.. you will really need a migration project to get that data out and put in another system whatever that system may be |
| 11:53 | the process will pretty much be the same whatever system you go to in my opinion | |
| 11:53 | archie | well yeah as far as i understad. Extract - > modify -> load to koha |
| 11:53 | ashimema | get data out -> massage data into a new format suitable for the injest of the other system -> injest it |
| 11:54 | whether you use scripts or a software package or a support company to do the middle step is really up to you | |
| 11:55 | archie | yeah that's what ETL stands for Extract/transform/load |
| 11:55 | ok good, so i'm on a right track then | |
| 11:56 | ashimema | yup |
| 11:58 | I think my point there really was that you shouldn't take "I support ETL" as a deciding factor when choosing an ILS.. everything out there has a way of getting data in and out.. it's about finding someone who can do it.. whether they use a tool you've heard of or not doesn't really matter | |
| 11:59 | there are loads of migration specialists in here and out there in the world.. ;) | |
| 11:59 | or of course.. you can try to do it yourself.. in which case first thing to try and understand is you own data in your existing system.. | |
| 12:00 | then see if any other systems map more easily to that | |
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| 12:13 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:13 | Joubu: we fixed jenkins emails, yes | |
| 12:13 | ashimema | :) |
| 12:14 | * ashimema | got swamped overnight |
| 12:14 | tcohen | hola ashimema! |
| 12:14 | yes, sorry for that | |
| 12:14 | ashimema | no worries |
| 12:14 | tcohen | we can make it only notify patch authors |
| 12:14 | actually, whatever the rmaints prefer | |
| 12:15 | ashimema | mwah.. I'll let you know once I do ;) |
| 12:15 | tcohen | @later tell mtompset I think we should make LOCAL_ANSIBLE=1 the default, I haven't proposed it yet until we get feedback on the stretch move |
| 12:15 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:27 | oleonard | tcohen: My first attempt to bring up a stretch box was not successful :( 404 error on Koha |
| 12:30 | Oh wait there it is. | |
| 12:30 | ere | Anyone else encountered a problem with the database update when fetching latest master? It's asking for the user name and password between every step for me.. |
| 12:30 | oleonard | I just have my virtual hosts configured wrong (or not the way I expect it I guess) |
| 12:31 | cait | ere: i have seen that lately when i gave myself accidentally the web self check permission |
| 12:32 | ere | cait: I haven't touched the permissions, I think, but I'll check that, thanks. |
| 12:33 | cait: err... but it's the database user name, so no permissions in play, no? | |
| 12:34 | cait | is it kicking you out of the installer? |
| 12:34 | or the normal gui? | |
| 12:34 | hm | |
| 12:35 | i'd also try restarting all the things and maybe deleting your cookies | |
| 12:35 | ere | cait: it stays in the installer but every other screen is the credentials screen |
| 12:36 | it also completed successfully after going through the steps | |
| 12:36 | too bad I can't really recreate the situation | |
| 12:39 | archie | i had a problem during koha instalation form packages. I got a fresh PC with a fresh ubuntu |
| 12:39 | and i couldn't install mariaDB | |
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| 12:40 | archie | it required me to remove all mysql from computer, then install mariaDB and then disable appknight |
| 12:41 | cait | ere: hm not seen that then, i hope it's a glitch (i like that better than a bug :) ) |
| 12:41 | ere | cait: I'll just pretend it didn't occur |
| 12:43 | cait | sometimes... I do that too :) |
| 12:43 | but don't tell anyone | |
| 12:43 | ere | cait: I won't |
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| 12:50 | ray_ | How can i integrate koha and amlib library systems |
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| 13:11 | caroline | good morning! |
| 13:12 | * ashimema | is really happy |
| 13:12 | ashimema | oops.. hit return too quick there |
| 13:13 | happy that he's finally removed the WIP flag on his gitlab merge request | |
| 13:13 | caroline | yay! ashimema++ |
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| 13:17 | Freddy_Enrique | Greeting everyone |
| 13:17 | cait | :) |
| 13:17 | good morning caroline :) | |
| 13:18 | caroline | Hi Freddy_Enrique, hi cait! |
| 13:18 | Freddy_Enrique | :) |
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| 13:31 | corilynn | kidclamp! thx for the signoff :) |
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| 13:38 | ashimema | caroline.. do you happen to know if there's any procedures for backporting manual fixes? |
| 13:39 | example in point.. the ILL chapter is getting added to current development manual.. i.e. 18.11.. | |
| 13:39 | but could probably do with being backported to 18.05 | |
| 13:39 | and perhaps even 17.11 | |
| 13:39 | * ashimema | can't remember when ILL was first pushed now |
| 13:40 | caroline | ashimema: uh... not sure... maybe ask LeeJ, cait or rangi |
| 13:40 | ashimema | hehe |
| 13:40 | no worries | |
| 13:50 | tuxayo | hi #koha o/ |
| 13:50 | caroline | salut tuxayo! |
| 13:51 | oleonard | Hi people I haven't said hi to yet |
| 13:52 | ashimema | hi all |
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| 13:55 | caroline | ashimema: do you think it has to do with "Switch branch/tag"? We always merge everything in master, but I see there are branches (or tags) called "manual18.05.x", "manual17.11.x", etc |
| 13:56 | (by "we" I mean other ppl, not me ;) ) | |
| 13:57 | tuxayo | Does anyone know if in a subcription, the Item type should be mandatory? Because it's not. Then the form default value is the empty string. Do we rely on the framework to make it madatory and maybe have a default value. |
| 13:57 | caroline | tuxayo: biblio-level you mean? |
| 13:58 | tuxayo | hi caroline , hi oleonard , hi ashimema ! |
| 13:58 | caroline: indeed, biblio-level | |
| 13:59 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha |
| 13:59 | * oleonard | never thought about why there is an item type selection on the subscription entry form |
| 13:59 | caroline | I thought the mandatory flag was set in the framework for 942$c (or something else in unimarc) |
| 13:59 | cait | i think no procedure, you could ask for backport - but we haven' tdoen so systematically |
| 13:59 | and the structure has changed quite a bit, so in some cases it might be not so easy because files are different | |
| 14:00 | tuxayo: i think that feature is onnly useful if you create items | |
| 14:00 | it doesn't affect the record | |
| 14:01 | it's the default itemtype for a new item for an issue, so it should not be mandatory i think | |
| 14:01 | not everyone wants to use defaults | |
| 14:01 | you can make it mandatory on the framework as you say if you want it mandatory in the item | |
| 14:01 | and i hope i understood the question | |
| 14:02 | caroline | but then if you create items, the item form appears upon receiving, why would there be an item type selection on the subscription creation form? |
| 14:02 | * ashimema | just noticed tuxayo has a tiny avatar of a cat next to name now |
| 14:02 | cait | to have a default |
| 14:02 | you can say for this subscription (there can be multiple per record) the item type is defaulted to 'reference' | |
| 14:02 | and for the second subscription it might be 'over night checkout' | |
| 14:02 | caroline | but the default is determined by the biblio record, no? |
| 14:03 | ah ok | |
| 14:03 | cait | i am not sure how this is supposed with biblio level itemtypes |
| 14:03 | we have never used those... | |
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| 14:03 | * cait | waves at drojf |
| 14:04 | oleonard | Is that a real drojf? |
| 14:04 | cait | maybe the field should be hidden if you are using biblio-level itemtypes |
| 14:04 | it probably makes no sense then | |
| 14:05 | eythian | oh, there a drojf here. |
| 14:05 | * drojf | waves |
| 14:05 | cait | it also has a second use with makePreviousSerialAvailable - then the itemtpye is the one the item gets moved to if it's no longer the newest |
| 14:10 | mtompset | Greetings, caroline tuxayo cait oleonard eythian drojf |
| 14:10 | tuxayo | caroline: «I thought the mandatory flag was set in the framework for 942$c (or something else in unimarc)» |
| 14:10 | It's a lot outdated :( But some colleagues are working on that :) | |
| 14:10 | mtompset | Wow. Busy today. :) |
| 14:11 | tuxayo | caroline: «that feature is onnly useful if you create items» It seems that most french libraries do that. To lend the item I guess. |
| 14:11 | *issues | |
| 14:11 | cait | but are they all using no item-level itypes? |
| 14:17 | caroline | tuxayo: So what is the workflow? They create a subscription (without specifying an item type), when they receive, they create an item (do they put in an item type here?) |
| 14:18 | marcelr | bug 21311 launched |
| 14:18 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21311 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Remove locked message from opac-auth.tt |
| 14:21 | tuxayo | «so it should not be mandatory i think» Indeed, I didn't know initially that the framework is used a thus the right place to prevent items to have invalid itypes |
| 14:23 | marcelr | hi mtompset what happened to your signoff rhythm? :) |
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| 14:24 | mtompset | marcelr, 4 month break. |
| 14:24 | Had to work on other projects too. | |
| 14:24 | marcelr | wow |
| 14:24 | yeah of course .. | |
| 14:24 | so bad these other projects | |
| 14:24 | mtompset | Exactly... |
| 14:25 | forcing me to use PHP too. :P | |
| 14:25 | marcelr | ono |
| 14:26 | bug 14385 | |
| 14:26 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Extend OpacHiddenItems to allow specifying exempt borrower categories |
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| 14:29 | tuxayo | cait: thanks, your examples 'reference' and 'over night checkout' are when using the Item type to description the "loan type" right? |
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| 14:30 | mtompset | Yes, that's the one bug I really, really want. |
| 14:30 | marcelr | so we triggered the whole audience now :) |
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| 14:31 | mtompset | And now I have Spice Girls in my head! |
| 14:32 | tuxayo | cait: «maybe the field should be hidden if you are using biblio-level itemtypes» In the subcription or the framework? |
| 14:32 | caroline | oh god... I didn't make the connection... now I too have Spice Girls.. -_- |
| 14:32 | cait | in the subscription |
| 14:32 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Sorry, Caroline. |
| 14:32 | cait | gah me too |
| 14:32 | caroline | I'm sure it's an evil laugh too ;) |
| 14:33 | tuxayo | cait: «but are they all using no item-level itypes?» Yes, we almost only have that |
| 14:33 | cait | it's strange :) |
| 14:33 | eythian | mtompset: here you go, that'll fix the earworm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3ZSx5ZGUs |
| 14:33 | cait | so all items have the same circulation conditions |
| 14:33 | never happens here heh | |
| 14:34 | * caroline | is not sure she wants to click on eythian's link |
| 14:34 | cait | yeah the field is useless then, as is the pref i mentioned |
| 14:34 | caroline: you learned fast | |
| 14:34 | eythian | oh ye of little faith |
| 14:35 | tuxayo | caroline: «So what is the workflow?» «do they put in an item type here?» Well, if the framework isn't well setup, then no itype :( |
| 14:36 | caroline | tuxayo: oohh... |
| 14:36 | cait | tuxayo: you can have mulitple subsciptions per record |
| 14:36 | it would not make sense to set it in the subscription | |
| 14:36 | i think the only option is to hide it from the form if that pref is set | |
| 14:37 | and the itemtype on biblio level shoudl be set on catalouging the record | |
| 14:37 | mtompset | eythian, I counter with Bill & Ted: https://youtu.be/Q8UGAbAPPkk?t=50 |
| 14:38 | It was a most excellent adventure. | |
| 14:39 | caroline | omg the haircuts... my eyes are bleeding |
| 14:43 | do we have a "label template library"? trying to troubleshoot printing on avery5160 | |
| 14:43 | * caroline | hates to troubleshoot label printing |
| 14:45 | cait | caroline: sadly not, what's not working? |
| 14:46 | eythian | mtompset: I guess my link does fit into a Bill & Ted movie, sortaish. |
| 14:47 | tuxayo | cait: «it's strange :)» Indeed, it's a cataloging habbit. Because in UNIMARC allows to have the same record for an audio book and a paper book. |
| 14:47 | That might not be used a lot so it's mostly habbits from what I understand. | |
| 14:47 | eythian | marcelr: hey, you're in Den Helder right? I was up that way in the weekend (Julianadorp specifically, mostly, but did a bike around Den Helder itself.) |
| 14:47 | caroline | cait: labels look like this right now https://snag.gy/PeAWs3.jpg |
| 14:47 | I'm changing the "top text margin" with trial and error | |
| 14:48 | tuxayo | caroline: oh deer |
| 14:48 | 🦌 | |
| 14:48 | caroline | but then, once the client tries to print, their printer will mess it up all over again |
| 14:49 | cait | hm looks a bit cruched |
| 14:49 | crushed | |
| 14:49 | there are some pictures in the manual i thnk | |
| 14:49 | about the margins | |
| 14:49 | caroline | getting there https://snag.gy/BP9KJ0.jpg but why isn't the barcode centered? |
| 14:50 | cait | actually there ar not |
| 14:50 | i am looking for them | |
| 14:51 | they are not... | |
| 14:52 | caroline | better https://snag.gy/CcI8P3.jpg now the printing test -_- |
| 14:53 | oh nvm the client asked for the numbers not to be so close to the barcode... | |
| 14:53 | cait | hm, i don't think you can adjust that |
| 14:53 | caroline: i found the pictures on our drive i was looking for - they show where which margin is etc, but not sure what the original source was | |
| 14:54 | marcelr | hi eythian saw the bolder ? |
| 14:54 | cait | i can email them if you want them? |
| 14:54 | eythian | marcelr: I don't think I did ... what bolder? |
| 14:54 | caroline | trying to remove the number from under the barcode and add the "barcode" field |
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| 14:54 | marcelr | ridiculous thing near the station |
| 14:55 | eythian | marcelr: oh, right by the station :( I would have biked within tens of metres of it. |
| 14:55 | just on the next street over | |
| 14:55 | caroline | cait: sure I'll look at them caroline.cyr-la-roseinlibro.com |
| 14:56 | Maybe I'll add a page to the wiki on configuring the labels once I get it right | |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | caroline: cait thanks for your answers and questions, now I understand better the messes around item types, loan types, subscriptions, framework, item level and record level ^o^ |
| 14:56 | cait | sent |
| 14:57 | tuxayo: i didn't feel like i was making sense, so that is good :) | |
| 14:57 | caroline | tuxayo, cait yeah, I feel more confused too XD |
| 14:57 | eythian | marcelr: Julianadorp was funny though, totally full of Germans. And they were actually digging holes in the sand, which I always thought was just a weird stereotype. |
| 14:58 | tuxayo | Well that made sense for me :P |
| 14:58 | cait | why is digging holes a german thing? |
| 14:58 | and why did holes... | |
| 14:58 | dig | |
| 14:59 | wind protection? | |
| 15:00 | caroline | when I went to Germany, my friend told me the lake near her place was man-made and actually hand-shovelled, maybe that's why? |
| 15:00 | * tuxayo | feels bad for stealing the understanding of cait and caroline , didn't know that was possible o_o |
| 15:00 | marcelr | yeah it is run by germans |
| 15:01 | caroline | tuxayo: lol!! |
| 15:02 | * caroline | is grateful y'all are here making jokes, makes her day better |
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| 15:05 | mtompset | Can't have you just laughing, caroline. https://youtu.be/XjK9FA1s-ro |
| 15:05 | This should add some groans. | |
| 15:05 | caroline | do I really want to click on that mtompset? |
| 15:06 | "that's funny. ok." LOL! | |
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| 15:07 | * CrispyBran | waves |
| 15:08 | eythian | cait: I don't know why Germans dig holes. You should explain it to us. |
| 15:10 | oleonard | I didn't know it was a stereotype that Germans dig holes. |
| 15:10 | CrispyBran | mtompset: I did go to vagrant 2.1.5. Discovered the release when I went to find an older copy. Works!. Now, I just have to work around the problem that the SMB share fails because one of the directories has a space in it. |
| 15:10 | eythian | On beaches, specifically. |
| 15:10 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:11 | eythian | https://www.google.com/search?[…]ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 <-- "Ongeveer 28.900.000 resultaten" |
| 15:11 | mtompset | Greetings, CrispyBran. |
| 15:11 | CrispyBran | hi mtompset |
| 15:12 | mtompset | Double quote the string? |
| 15:20 | oleonard | "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, and have 1 and 1010 different commits each, respectively." Dang, master. |
| 15:21 | CrispyBran | mtompset: That worked...shows the whole path. Now it just says vm: The host path of the shared folder is missing, and shows the path in quotes. |
| 15:21 | mtompset | oleonard, that's when you look up the RM team and plus them all. ;) |
| 15:22 | ashimema | Fast moving at the moment ain't it oleonard |
| 15:23 | mtompset | ashimema, so what are your thoughts on bug 15529 then? I gave up. |
| 15:23 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15529 normal, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Patch doesn't apply , Process Message Queue may send duplicate emails if process is launched twice |
| 15:24 | ashimema | Mmm, I'm stuck too.. Joubu's comment made me think maybe I've missed even more.. |
| 15:25 | mtompset | Do we have a Koha::Semaphore? or Koha::Lock? |
| 15:25 | ashimema | Though I think it still makes some sense to do this locking at the Cron script level . I'm not so sure about using table locks |
| 15:25 | mtompset | Sounds like we need one. |
| 15:25 | ashimema | Don't think we do |
| 15:36 | * cbrannon[A] | is now away - Reason : In meeting |
| 15:43 | mtompset | ashimema, no... I don't like table locks, but I'm not sure record locks are ANSI SQL. |
| 15:43 | And I really think record locks would be better. | |
| 15:44 | ashimema | Don't think I understand the current message queue code well enough yet to comment really |
| 15:45 | Think I'll comment that in the bug.. moving locks to the SQL layer just didn't even occur to me off the bat | |
| 15:45 | Not got the time to properly dig into another area of Koha at the minute 🙄 | |
| 15:59 | caroline | Weird question. We recently migrated a library from a super old version of Koha (like 2 something). Their cataloguing framework is really different from the ones I'm used to, namely the item subfields are 952 b (homebranch), 952d (holdingbranch), 952r (price), 952u (itemnumber), 952v (dateaccessionned) and 952y (notforloan) |
| 15:59 | The Koha to MARC mapping matches these fields | |
| 15:59 | but the search breaks because Koha is looking for a date in 952d | |
| 16:00 | Here's my question : should I adapt their framework to match the "normal" one | |
| 16:00 | therefore changing the mappings and their records | |
| 16:01 | or should I try to fix their records and the rest of Koha so they match their weird framework? | |
| 16:05 | cait | i would change the data |
| 16:05 | to match standard koha | |
| 16:05 | because you'd have to change all the indexing and that will follow you forever | |
| 16:05 | if you fix the data once... you don't have to maintain the different/changed indexes | |
| 16:05 | caroline | hum I didn't check the indexes |
| 16:06 | cait | i tried to match my very first koha installation on the data i got... I never tried that again :) |
| 16:06 | mostly because of Zebra indexes | |
| 16:07 | for example the labels search for adding items to a batch uses dateaccessioned i think | |
| 16:07 | to find the newest items | |
| 16:08 | caroline | you're right, the indexes didn't change even though the mappings did. so that's what break the search... |
| 16:10 | ok I'll go with koha standard subfields, hopefully, I don't break everything when I batch edit (in august, I tried to change the call number from 952k to 952o and it literally broke everything in production, very stressful!!) | |
| 16:10 | I just put everything back and never touched their environment again >_< | |
| 16:10 | cait | ouch |
| 16:11 | hm | |
| 16:11 | but do you need to batch edit? | |
| 16:11 | thinking | |
| 16:11 | wahanui | thinking is, like, so much easier |
| 16:11 | cait | the items are not stored in the marc record |
| 16:11 | caroline | well, I'll need to move for example holdingbranch from 952d to 952b |
| 16:11 | no? | |
| 16:11 | cait | if you change the mappings... and restart all the things... and reindex... |
| 16:12 | i'd definitely test it somewhere not production tho | |
| 16:12 | caroline | In anycase, I'll try it locally first! |
| 16:12 | cait | they only get put there for indexing and for export |
| 16:12 | * caroline | learned her lesson |
| 16:12 | cait | the metadata should have no 952 |
| 16:12 | it's kinda... virtual | |
| 16:12 | mtompset | quick inquiry, given that it is ugly perl. |
| 16:13 | @$indicator[$j] is functionally identical to $indicator->[$j], correct? | |
| 16:13 | huginn | mtompset: I suck |
| 16:13 | cait | someone else might want to weigh in... but i think you don't need the batch edit |
| 16:14 | caroline | maybe that's why it broke last time |
| 16:14 | cait | have to change frameworks... and mappings |
| 16:14 | and definiteyl reinde | |
| 16:14 | x | |
| 16:14 | and not have them touch anything while it's happening | |
| 16:15 | it might be because it created a 952 and it was not complete orsomething | |
| 16:15 | mtompset | scrolling back and reading: I'm with cait. Remap the data to good format, rather than trying to make bad one work. |
| 16:15 | * caroline | closes the tab where their production environment is just in case |
| 16:18 | Freddy_Enrique | wahanui, are you a man or woman? |
| 16:18 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, freddy_enrique |
| 16:19 | Freddy_Enrique | .... |
| 16:20 | mtompset | Freddy_Enrique, wahanui is a bot. |
| 16:20 | cait | it's a conch :) |
| 16:20 | wahanui? | |
| 16:20 | wahanui | cait? |
| 16:20 | cait | wahanui? |
| 16:20 | wahanui | cait? |
| 16:20 | cait | hm ok. |
| 16:20 | caroline | wahanui what are you? |
| 16:20 | wahanui | i heard i was a conch |
| 16:21 | caroline | good bot wahanui |
| 16:22 | mtompset | Is AnnaBoten a bot referencing: https://youtu.be/RYQUsp-jxDQ? |
| 16:24 | cait | bye all |
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| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i am probably a political leader |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i am a political leader |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i am a conch |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i am a conch |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | rumour has it i am back |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i am back??!!! |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | well, i am a political leader |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | rumour has it i am a conch |
| 16:27 | mtompset | wahanui, what are you? |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i am probably back??!!! |
| 16:28 | mtompset | wahanui is awesome. |
| 16:28 | wahanui? | |
| 16:28 | wahanui | yes, mtompset? |
| 16:28 | mtompset | What are you, wahanui? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | i heard i was back??!!! |
| 16:28 | mtompset | What are you, wahanui? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | i am back??!!! |
| 16:28 | mtompset | What are you, wahanui? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | i heard i was a political leader |
| 16:28 | mtompset | What are you, wahanui? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | i am a political leader |
| 16:28 | mtompset | What are you, wahanui? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | i am a political leader |
| 16:28 | mtompset | What are you, wahanui? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | it has been said that i am a political leader |
| 16:28 | * mtompset | shrugs. |
| 16:28 | mtompset | I should take lunch. |
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| 16:34 | cbrannon[A] | mtompset, what are you? |
| 16:34 | * CrispyBran | is no longer away : Gone for 58 minutes 31 seconds |
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| 16:36 | CrispyBran | caroline, what are you? |
| 16:36 | caroline | I haven't a clue, CrispyBran |
| 16:36 | CrispyBran | :) |
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| 16:52 | CrispyBran | Has anyone here had any success getting kohadevbox up on a Windows host with the SYNC_REPO working? |
| 16:53 | oleonard | It works for me with jessie, CrispyBran. I've tried the new default, stretch, but it wasn't working for me. |
| 16:54 | However, I didn't try to troubleshoot | |
| 16:54 | CrispyBran | Is that JesseM |
| 16:54 | oleonard | jessie the Debian distribution |
| 16:54 | CrispyBran | oh. duh |
| 16:54 | oleonard | So I have to say "vagrant up jessie" now that stretch is the default. |
| 16:55 | I have found JesseM to also be very stable ;) | |
| 16:55 | CrispyBran | It's still defaulting to jessie for me. I'm having problems with the path though. |
| 16:55 | I wish I were stable. :) | |
| 16:56 | oleonard | You must not have updated kohadevbox recently, which I think is probably fine |
| 16:56 | CrispyBran: Do you have "export SYNC_REPO=..." in ~/.bashrc? | |
| 16:58 | CrispyBran | So, in my .bashrc, I have export SYNC_REPO='"C:\Program Files\Git\koha"'. Had to use the double quotes to get the full path with space to show, but I still get a message that the path doesn't exist. |
| 16:58 | mtompset | Dude! Progra~1 ;) |
| 16:58 | oleonard | I have "export SYNC_REPO="c:\\Users\\oleonard\\Documents\\htdocs\\koha-git\\kohaclone\\" |
| 16:58 | ...so maybe try the double backslash? | |
| 16:58 | mtompset | And what oleonard said. :) |
| 16:59 | corilynn | qq on kohadevbox, where I can find the logs? |
| 16:59 | mtompset | Let me boot up my windoze box. |
| 17:00 | oleonard | corilynn: There are shortcut commands for it https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox |
| 17:00 | corilynn | thx |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Check the section called "Aliases" |
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| 17:01 | * mtompset | puts on some background music for drojf |
| 17:01 | mtompset | https://youtu.be/4TYv2PhG89A |
| 17:01 | CrispyBran | vm: the host path of the shared floder is missing: "C://Program Files//Git//koha" |
| 17:02 | mtompset | No... the other slashes. |
| 17:02 | CrispyBran | I used the other slashes. It shows it this way though. |
| 17:02 | folder, not floder | |
| 17:02 | :P | |
| 17:03 | mtompset | Change "Program Files" to "Progra~1" |
| 17:03 | wahanui | mtompset: that doesn't look right |
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| 17:03 | tcohen | @seen jenkins |
| 17:03 | huginn | tcohen: jenkins was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <jenkins> Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #92: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/92/ |
| 17:04 | tcohen | CrispyBran: did you git pull |
| 17:04 | on kohadevbox? | |
| 17:04 | it should be defaulting to stretch | |
| 17:04 | oleonard | tcohen: He has an older version of kohadevbox |
| 17:04 | CrispyBran | vm: the host path of the shared folder is missing: "C://Progra~1//Git//koha" |
| 17:05 | Did a git pull yesterday with tcohen helping | |
| 17:05 | oleonard | Of kohadevbox? |
| 17:06 | CrispyBran | I thought we did. |
| 17:06 | mtompset | Hmm.... |
| 17:09 | tcohen | CrispyBran: can you check the README.md file? |
| 17:09 | or just | |
| 17:09 | git remote origin set-url https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox.git | |
| 17:09 | then git pull :-D | |
| 17:10 | CrispyBran | Says this repository should not be used. Obviously I need to point it to the new one. :/ |
| 17:12 | :/ It doesn't like me. | |
| 17:12 | what is origin? | |
| 17:13 | tcohen | the default 'remote' |
| 17:13 | remember we added 'github' to yours | |
| 17:13 | CrispyBran | error: Unknown subcommand: origin |
| 17:14 | I'm confused. | |
| 17:14 | tcohen | sorry |
| 17:14 | git remote set-url origin https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox.git | |
| 17:14 | * tcohen | is not in a good day evidently |
| 17:15 | CrispyBran | I need to be in the kohadevbox folder when I git pull, correct? |
| 17:20 | tcohen CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in README.md | |
| 17:22 | mtompset | Okay... I'm actually trying to get my windoze up with SYNC_REPO. We'll see how that goes. |
| 17:23 | tcohen | CrispyBran: instead of pull |
| 17:23 | do git fetch | |
| 17:23 | and the git reset —hard origin/master | |
| 17:23 | well, you already fetched it | |
| 17:23 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Have you seen these warnings tcohen?" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/113 |
| 17:24 | tcohen | oleonard: yes, we will get rid of them once we move into making LOCAL_ANSIBLE the default |
| 17:24 | (thus we control the ansible version) | |
| 17:24 | oleonard | Okay |
| 17:24 | tcohen | they keep changing the syntax on minor versions |
| 17:24 | oleonard | Bad ansible. |
| 17:25 | mtompset | oleonard, I also have a patch for that. ;) |
| 17:26 | CrispyBran | okay, works, but forgot to specify jessie. It is downloading stretch. |
| 17:28 | * CrispyBran | wishes he was a coding rockstar |
| 17:29 | * oleonard | plays coding air-guitar |
| 17:29 | CrispyBran | that needs to be an animated gif |
| 17:34 | Back to the original issue with the missing path. :/ | |
| 17:35 | mtompset | I envy your fast internet connection. |
| 17:35 | CrispyBran | Any luck mtompset? |
| 17:35 | oleonard | I tried bringing up a stretch devbox just now and it doesn't appear to have looked at ~/.bashrc |
| 17:35 | mtompset | I'm still starting up, because I don't have your fast internet. |
| 17:35 | For only $100/month more, I could probably get something better. ;) | |
| 17:36 | CrispyBran | That is the first time anyone has called our public wifi fast. |
| 17:36 | mtompset | And you're running a desktop, aren't you? |
| 17:37 | Faster machine, faster internet. :P | |
| 17:37 | CrispyBran | No, laptop. |
| 17:37 | mtompset | I'm still in the midst of recompiled the guest tools |
| 17:37 | recompiling... | |
| 17:39 | CrispyBran, another thought... | |
| 17:39 | * CrispyBran | comtemplates his meaning in life while waiting |
| 17:39 | CrispyBran | I can't type |
| 17:39 | mtompset | Windoze has some strange user id directory protections on certain directories. |
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| 17:40 | mtompset | So, for example, C:\Program Files\AwesomeGame\Subdir1 might actually exist for one user, but not another. |
| 17:40 | CrispyBran | Yes. It prompts for authentication, when it works. |
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| 17:42 | mtompset | You don't get that same problem in other directories. |
| 17:42 | This is why I put all my cloned stuff in Documents. | |
| 17:43 | I'm at pip install step for a stretch install on Windoze right now. | |
| 17:43 | CrispyBran | I'm not sure how to do that. My git bash root is the c:\Program Files\Git directory. I don't know how to drill back any further. |
| 17:44 | mtompset | CrispyBran, there is right-click "Git Bash here" |
| 17:44 | oleonard | CrispyBran: Is that where your checkout of the Koha repo is? You could try putting it somewhere else. |
| 17:45 | mtompset | Don't put your cloned directories in your git bash program file install directory. |
| 17:45 | That's bad form, and asking to lose data if you accidentally uninstall and reinstall git bash. | |
| 17:46 | CrispyBran | I wasn't given a choice or instructions to do anything else. |
| 17:46 | * cait | waves |
| 17:46 | CrispyBran | cait is sleep waving |
| 17:46 | cait | hm why sleep? |
| 17:47 | CrispyBran | Thought you went to sleep |
| 17:47 | mtompset | I so hate the 'Update apt cache' step. It takes forever! |
| 17:47 | oleonard | She just went home |
| 17:48 | CrispyBran | Okay, so I can git bash here, but how do I do it as administrator? |
| 17:50 | cait | oleonard: you know me too well :) |
| 17:50 | mtompset | You don't need to, if your directory isn't in Program Files, but Documents. |
| 17:51 | oleonard | CrispyBran: I have my git bash program shortcut set up to run as administrator by default |
| 17:51 | CrispyBran | can I move my kohadevbox and koha folders there or do I have to pull them into the new location? |
| 17:52 | oleonard | I would think you could move them |
| 17:53 | caroline | anybody have consignments at their library? Like when a bookseller sends you boxes of books to look through and you send back the ones you don't want |
| 17:53 | If so do you track them in acquisitions? | |
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| 17:57 | CrispyBran | this is looking promising |
| 17:58 | cait | caroline: not in our libraries yet |
| 17:59 | corilynn | tcohen, do you have a minute to talk about getting the remote debugger working? |
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| 18:01 | tcohen | hi corilynn |
| 18:01 | tell me | |
| 18:01 | I only used it with Komodo IDE | |
| 18:02 | corilynn | i made the changes to the user.yml file |
| 18:02 | tcohen | but it is known to work with Vim+VDebug |
| 18:02 | corilynn | and I did the sudo koha-plack --stop kohadev |
| 18:02 | tcohen | what changes? |
| 18:02 | remote_debugger: true | |
| 18:02 | corilynn | I uncommented out the remote debugger lines |
| 18:03 | tcohen | remote_debugger_location: "192.168.50.1:9000" |
| 18:03 | that one is important | |
| 18:03 | it defaults to localhost | |
| 18:03 | corilynn | I put my IP in there |
| 18:03 | but I'm getting an error | |
| 18:03 | tcohen | if it is the host machine, put that |
| 18:03 | 192.168.50.1 | |
| 18:03 | corilynn | OHHHHHHH |
| 18:03 | tcohen | and the port number you configured on your tool |
| 18:04 | corilynn | mm k |
| 18:04 | tcohen | what are you using? |
| 18:04 | * cbrannon[A] | is now away - Reason : Webinar |
| 18:04 | corilynn | komodo |
| 18:04 | tcohen | excellent |
| 18:04 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 18:04 | corilynn | but I don't know what I"m doing |
| 18:04 | tcohen | I can help then :-D |
| 18:04 | cbrannon[A] | Thanks everyone for the help. The path was the key! |
| 18:05 | tcohen | so in user.yml, you tell it the remote debugging tool is on your host machine (192.168.50.1 on the internal network Vbox creates) |
| 18:05 | the port is usually 9000, but you should double check on Komodo | |
| 18:05 | corilynn | so... here's my problem... I'm on a windows box, but I'm ssh'ing to a ubuntu box running the kohadevbox |
| 18:06 | tcohen | ok |
| 18:06 | if kohadevbox is able to reach your windows machine on the port you're fine | |
| 18:07 | corilynn | ok, let me see what I can do for a bit |
| 18:07 | tcohen | corilynn: can't you run virtualbox on your windows machine instead? |
| 18:07 | corilynn | I've had nothing but issues with the windows kohadevbox, b/c when I'm not developing I have to do cataloging through a virtual machine |
| 18:08 | It's better if I keep development and cataloging on different machines | |
| 18:08 | tcohen | I mention this because the way remote debugging works is by mapping the code on the box, and the one you are actually touching with your tool |
| 18:08 | so you run komodo on linux, right? | |
| 18:09 | corilynn | not... yet... |
| 18:09 | tcohen | windows -> linux (komodo + vbox) -> kohadevbox |
| 18:09 | ? | |
| 18:09 | ok, so | |
| 18:09 | corilynn | so I need to figure out how to Komodo on the linx |
| 18:10 | that's going to take me a bit | |
| 18:10 | tcohen | you should really launch kohadevbox on the windows OS |
| 18:11 | mtompset, CrispyBran and oleonard do it | |
| 18:11 | you need: | |
| 18:11 | - VirtualBox | |
| 18:11 | corilynn | I know what I need |
| 18:11 | tcohen | - Git bash |
| 18:11 | - Vagrant | |
| 18:11 | corilynn | I was doing it that way for a while |
| 18:11 | s/a while/last week | |
| 18:12 | BUT I can't do my other job then too | |
| 18:12 | mtompset | Me less so, but I have done it, and am attempting it again. :) |
| 18:12 | corilynn | b/c virtual PC and VirtualBox don't like each other |
| 18:13 | mtompset | Ooooo..... |
| 18:13 | Hyper V vs VirtualBox. | |
| 18:13 | tcohen | maybe time to try vagrant + hyper+v? |
| 18:13 | mtompset | Nah... switch to Ubuntu. ;) |
| 18:14 | corilynn | I'm happy to Ubuntu, makes me feel like I'm back in my 20's writing socket programs in a cubical |
| 18:15 | eating free snacks from the kitchen cabinets | |
| 18:16 | oleonard | I think you should switch to whichever OS *I'm* most comfortable with. |
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| 18:16 | corilynn | oleonard, solaris? |
| 18:16 | tcohen | that was a nice OS |
| 18:16 | :-D | |
| 18:17 | once I discovered how to compile apache for it | |
| 18:17 | hehe | |
| 18:17 | corilynn | 'twas I wrote a patch for freetds to work on solaris |
| 18:17 | they rejected it because they wanted it to be broken | |
| 18:18 | my company, however, needed it to work | |
| 18:18 | mtompset | The nice thing about Ubuntu is I can run my docker AND virtualbox stuff at the same time. :) |
| 18:18 | corilynn | what's docker? |
| 18:19 | mtompset | docker required hyper-v on Windows. :) |
| 18:19 | corilynn | ah, so you were having the virtual machine fight club too? |
| 18:20 | mtompset | Yes. Now I don't know if Virtual PC runs under Ubuntu, but if it does, then you may be able to get the best of both things on an Ubuntu box. |
| 18:42 | davidnind | :-( |
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| 18:49 | cait | hi davidnind and josef_moravec |
| 18:49 | josef_moravec | hi cait |
| 18:49 | davidnind | hi cait! |
| 18:51 | kidclamp | bye koha! see you next week! (find tcohen in my absence) |
| 18:54 | cait | oh... who is going to push all the things? |
| 18:54 | was hoping on some progress for ILL | |
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| 18:55 | oleonard | I feel so slackly integrated now. |
| 18:56 | davidnind | put cait in charge :) |
| 18:57 | josef_moravec | cait: are you going to use ILL module in production? |
| 18:57 | cait | not yet, we still need to write a backend |
| 18:57 | but i'd like to see it all fixed up and stable before we do that | |
| 18:57 | so interested in integrating the ill patches | |
| 18:58 | oleonard | ...and there are a ton of them at the moment! |
| 18:59 | ashimema | ILL should get a bit easier to work with soon.. there are plans afoot |
| 18:59 | cait | yeah and it's a big tree |
| 18:59 | oleonard | Bye all |
| 18:59 | cait | was really hoping to have it pushed this week to be able to continue |
| 18:59 | josef_moravec | cait: we just set the freeform backend and will try to use it form articles now... but in the future we would like to have backend for czech national ill service - when it will be avialable (now in development) |
| 18:59 | all working on ILL ++ :D | |
| 18:59 | ashimema | the czech service is in development |
| 19:00 | or you're already trying to develop a backend | |
| 19:00 | wow.. | |
| 19:00 | dev meeting soon aint it.. | |
| 19:00 | cait | freeform would not work here, we need one for ILL with our union catalog (which allows for national ILL, but there are several ILL servers) |
| 19:00 | josef_moravec | ashimema: the service is in development |
| 19:00 | ashimema | brain bad.. it's late already |
| 19:00 | cool | |
| 19:01 | we're hoping to shift ILL backends into the plugins architecture.. which should make installing and testing them much easier.. | |
| 19:01 | and heopfully developing them too | |
| 19:01 | josef_moravec | this new service should have rest api, co we are hoping the backend development would not take ages then ;) |
| 19:01 | ashimema | brill :) |
| 19:02 | josef_moravec | ashimema: yes it would be cool ;) |
| 19:02 | ashimema | the BLDSS one (British Library) is a good example |
| 19:03 | josef_moravec | i like the koha2koha backend too, it could be solution for many libraries in countries without any ILL service |
| 19:03 | ashimema | better than FreeForm.. the freeform one is a bit odd as it's only really half a backend (the other half is in koha core).. I'm not really sure how that happened.. likely during the massive amount of rebasing that happened at the last minute when trying to get the initial core functionality in koha |
| 19:03 | the Koha2Koha one is nice.. could do with some polishing here and there though. | |
| 19:03 | but it's a great proof of concept | |
| 19:03 | we have all three in use in a number of customers no | |
| 19:03 | w | |
| 19:04 | josef_moravec | ashimema: in production? |
| 19:04 | ashimema | yup |
| 19:04 | josef_moravec | nice ;) |
| 19:05 | ashimema | for years ;) |
| 19:06 | we developed the original version as a large core feature.. then realised we'd need to split it into a driver model to allow for all the different implimentations of ILL services out there | |
| 19:06 | the community got version 2 in effect | |
| 19:06 | cait | similar to edifact almost |
| 19:06 | ashimema | and all the patches going in now are refinements to that.. almost a version 3.. with a version 4 and 5 planned if we can get funding |
| 19:06 | cait | i think the first one was not as flexible either? |
| 19:07 | ashimema | all tweaks to ease workflows and development at this point |
| 19:07 | EDI? | |
| 19:07 | or first version of ILL | |
| 19:07 | first version of ILL was all in core koha.. and fairly hard code to the BLDSS workflows and ARTemail models | |
| 19:07 | cait | we got hte second version of edi too :) |
| 19:07 | ashimema | (both british library things) |
| 19:08 | indeed | |
| 19:08 | and SIP ;) | |
| 19:08 | I think SIP was developed in a similar fashion in koha | |
| 19:11 | Mesfin joined #koha | |
| 19:11 | Mesfin | Hi everyone |
| 19:12 | I need help | |
| 19:12 | caroline | Hi Mesfin! |
| 19:12 | Mesfin | I upgraded Koha 17.05 to 18.05.04 |
| 19:13 | and that broke active directory authentication | |
| 19:13 | Now patrons are unable to login with their AD password | |
| 19:14 | This is the error I am getting | |
| 19:14 | LDAP search failed to return object : 000004DC: LdapErr: DSID-0C0907C2, comment: In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection., data 0, v2580 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 101. | |
| 19:14 | cait | ashimema: wasn't there another ldap related thing a few days ago? |
| 19:14 | Mesfin | Hi Caroline |
| 19:14 | mtompset | Saw the error message in the mailing list. Sorry, no clue Mesfin. |
| 19:15 | Mesfin | I am desperate |
| 19:15 | ashimema | see the last comment on just trying to find the bug number |
| 19:15 | davidnind | There was some discussion the other day on IRC first link: http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]8-10-08#i_2078906 |
| 19:16 | cait | searching too, not finding it yet |
| 19:16 | ashimema | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=18947 |
| 19:16 | huginn | Bug 18947: major, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Unexpected Active Directory LDAP authentication failure mode |
| 19:17 | ashimema | tl:dr try setting <anonymous_bind>0</anonymous_bind> |
| 19:17 | basically the bug was incorrect bahaviour and allot of configurations appear to have worked around it.. | |
| 19:17 | but now there is 'correct' behaviour the workaround leads to a broken configuration | |
| 19:18 | I hadn't anticipated that :( | |
| 19:18 | Mesfin.. let us know if setting <anonymous_bind>0</anonymous_bind> works please | |
| 19:18 | davidnind | second link http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]8-10-05#i_2077943 |
| 19:19 | Mesfin | I am going to try that now |
| 19:23 | Where should I insert the anonymous bind? Any order in the config file? | |
| 19:23 | ashimema | inside the <ldapserver> block in your koha.conf xml file |
| 19:24 | which if your running packages will be in /etc/koha/sites/ | |
| 19:25 | Mesfin | I inserted it after the authbybind and threw an error |
| 19:25 | commented it out | |
| 19:25 | rangi | ashimema: naw you just have to cherry-pick and merge request |
| 19:25 | Mesfin | should it be before the authbybind? |
| 19:25 | rangi | ashimema: re the manual to older branches |
| 19:26 | mtompset | Mesfin, order shouldn't matter. |
| 19:26 | ashimema | okies.. thanks rangi |
| 19:26 | caroline | rangi that was so random hehe! |
| 19:27 | ashimema | erm.. Mesfin.. 'threw an error'.. any more detail on that.. same error as before.. xml parsing error.. new error? |
| 19:27 | mtompset | But make sure you don't have TWO anonymous_bind tags, and you do have ONE. |
| 19:27 | * ashimema | likes the random rangi |
| 19:27 | Mesfin | let me paste the error |
| 19:27 | mtompset | Have to run. |
| 19:27 | ashimema | and I knew what he was talking about :) |
| 19:27 | rangi | caroline: i always read back irc :) |
| 19:27 | caroline | rangi: I like what you did with the "last updated on .." Is it normal that all the pages are set to yesterday? |
| 19:27 | rangi | yep its last time the manual was built |
| 19:28 | so the next time i merge something | |
| 19:28 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha ashimema caroline cait rangi Mesfin. |
| 19:28 | rangi | they will all get rebuilt |
| 19:28 | ashimema | really rangi.. I try to but sometimes there's just huge amounts to go through and I struggle to catch up. |
| 19:28 | caroline | oh so it's not specific to that page? |
| 19:28 | rangi | so its easy to see the last time the manual was rebuilt |
| 19:28 | nope, we can only tell that from git, its the last time the manual was generated | |
| 19:28 | Mesfin | Stupid fingers!!!! |
| 19:29 | I had a typo in the anonymous | |
| 19:29 | ashimema | hehe |
| 19:29 | Mesfin | and that's what threw the error |
| 19:29 | * ashimema | has stupid fingers often too |
| 19:29 | Mesfin | Working now |
| 19:29 | You guys are awesome | |
| 19:29 | ashimema | thanks Mesfin |
| 19:29 | caroline | ah ok. Is it possible though to have that on the page? |
| 19:29 | the last time that particular page was updated i mean? | |
| 19:30 | rangi | nope |
| 19:30 | Mesfin | you have saved my day and my night |
| 19:30 | rangi | not unless you do it manually |
| 19:30 | ashimema | would you mind pm'ing me a copy of your ldap config block per chance (with private stuff like the password hashed out).. I'm trying ot see if there's a bigger issue at play here |
| 19:30 | I'm really glad the anonymous thing worked for you | |
| 19:30 | Mesfin | Thanks ashimema... |
| 19:31 | are you asking me to pm you copy of my ldap config? | |
| 19:31 | * ashimema | feels bad.. it was me who both qa'd the patch that caused it and then pushed it into the stable branch. |
| 19:31 | ashimema | if you are comfortable doing so.. if not don't worry at all |
| 19:32 | Mesfin | Do not feel bad that happens when you work |
| 19:32 | I am very much comfortable | |
| 19:32 | ashimema | you're just the third person in a week to report the issue and I'm trying to understand the link ;) |
| 19:32 | rangi | caroline: well i think nope, ill check some build options, if i can get it to only rebuild changed pages then maybe |
| 19:32 | ashimema | cheers |
| 19:33 | that would be cool rangi | |
| 19:33 | though I already like the change to show the last rebuild as it is :) | |
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| 19:33 | tcohen | rangi: I always overlooked the work on the manual. I have to say I'm so impressed by caroline's and everyone work on that, and the results! |
| 19:33 | koha++ | |
| 19:33 | caroline | yes! Or if it's not possible, could we add an auto datetime to each page when it is saved? |
| 19:34 | rangi | caroline: you could maybe do that with a git-hook |
| 19:34 | tcohen | later #koha |
| 19:34 | cait | caroline: hm, what is the use case? |
| 19:34 | caroline | thx tcohen! :) trying to stay on top of all the pushed things ;) |
| 19:34 | rangi | caroline: do you want to research that, and ill research the build thing ;) |
| 19:34 | cait | it might just be a typo change, so not sure you could tell much about actuality from it |
| 19:34 | * ashimema | was about to say that sounds like a great use of a git hook |
| 19:34 | caroline | cait: I think it would be interesting to know when a particular page was last updated |
| 19:35 | we could look through and reread them to see if everything is still up to date | |
| 19:35 | Mesfin | my first time here |
| 19:36 | How do I pm you, ashimema? | |
| 19:36 | cait | Mesfin: you are welcome to be here anytime :) |
| 19:36 | Mesfin | Thank you, cait. I feel welcomed already |
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| 19:37 | ashimema | er.. double click my name.. sorta depends on how you are connected to irc |
| 19:37 | rangi | caroline: ahhh it does work that way, except using gitlab ci it wipes the files after each build so it thinks its a new full build everytime I will see if I can change that |
| 19:37 | Mesfin | connected via a browser |
| 19:37 | cait | hm maybe try right click if the doube doesn't work |
| 19:38 | or /msg ashimema | |
| 19:38 | caroline | rangi: will do (check for the auto datetime or whatever it would be called) |
| 19:38 | ashimema | Mesfin: I just pm'd you |
| 19:38 | so you should see me somewhere now :) | |
| 19:38 | * ashimema | is impressed cait knows her irc commands.. I'm such a UI guy when it comes to IRC |
| 19:39 | Mesfin | Thanks cait |
| 19:39 | * ashimema | quickly dashes for a charger |
| 19:40 | Mesfin | He pmed me |
| 19:40 | caroline | cait: you're right, but if the page hasn't been updated in 2 years lets say, it would be good to just have à look to make sure |
| 19:40 | cait | ashimema: :) |
| 19:41 | caroline: makes sense | |
| 19:41 | caroline | but if it's not possible, it's not the end of the world. It's just that I thought that was what rangi had added yesterday so my mind kinda went in that direction |
| 19:42 | * ashimema | is back |
| 19:44 | Mesfin | Welcome back, Karibu, Bien venue |
| 19:44 | 10:44 PM here | |
| 19:45 | cait | Mesfin: where are you from? |
| 19:46 | an hour later than here... so has to be alittle distance at least :) | |
| 19:46 | Mesfin | Kenya :) |
| 19:46 | an hour flight maybe? | |
| 19:46 | or two hours? | |
| 19:47 | cait | longer flight, i am in germany :) |
| 19:48 | Mesfin | Yeah, that's a longer flight |
| 19:50 | cait | hm, brb for the meeting |
| 19:53 | * ashimema | is feeling rather sleepy.. not the best way to join a meeting |
| 19:53 | Mesfin | Good night or good day, depending on where you are good people! Thanks for the help. I can go now and sleep peacefully knowing I won't have calls from users tomorrow |
| 19:54 | ashimema | Night Mesfin, sleep peacefully |
| 19:54 | Mesfin | Thanks ashimema |
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| 19:59 | * corilynn | does a victory lap |
| 19:59 | cait | back |
| 19:59 | corilynn | i forgot how awesome it is to fix a thing that was previously broken :) |
| 19:59 | cait | it is! :) |
| 20:00 | ashimema | indeed |
| 20:00 | * ashimema | agrees |
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| 20:03 | cait | i'll chair with ashimema |
| 20:03 | just give me another minute | |
| 20:03 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:03 | cheers | |
| 20:03 | cait | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018 |
| 20:03 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Oct 10 20:03:58 2018 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:03 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_10_october_2018' |
| 20:04 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 20:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 20:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, [even two ISPs does not protect against power failure] |
| 20:04 | cait | please introduce yourself using #info! |
| 20:04 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_10_October_2018 today's agenda | |
| 20:04 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany | |
| 20:05 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic |
| 20:05 | blou joined #koha | |
| 20:05 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ |
| 20:06 | cait | ah |
| 20:06 | #chair ashimema | |
| 20:06 | huginn | Current chairs: ashimema cait |
| 20:06 | cait | moving on! |
| 20:06 | #topic Announcements | |
| 20:06 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:06 | cait | anyone anything? :) |
| 20:06 | ah i got something | |
| 20:06 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:07 | Lots of good pushes the last couple of weeks :).. but then I'm somewhat biases on that front | |
| 20:07 | cait | hm can't find the link, but next week is the swedish user group meeting and hack day |
| 20:08 | #info Next week is the Swedish user group meeting and hack day | |
| 20:08 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 20:08 | cait | so you might see some activity from there :) |
| 20:08 | ... and please keep the sandboxes alive! | |
| 20:09 | ashimema | #info KohaCon19 dates are finalized: Monday 20 May to Sunday 26 May 2019 |
| 20:09 | :) | |
| 20:09 | I can't think of any others.. anyone else? | |
| 20:10 | cait | moving on then :) |
| 20:10 | #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11) | |
| 20:10 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:10 | ashimema | Nick sends his apologies |
| 20:10 | cait | #info Nick Clemens : Travelling, pushing things to master, dates have been sent to list, keep Qaing :-) |
| 20:10 | from his apologies for today | |
| 20:11 | moving on? | |
| 20:11 | ashimema | yup.. that's pretty much it |
| 20:11 | cait | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 20:11 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:11 | cait | Rmaints? |
| 20:11 | RMaints? | |
| 20:11 | Release Maintainers? | |
| 20:11 | ashimema | oh.. that's me |
| 20:11 | cait | wahanui never does his trick when I try it |
| 20:11 | wahanui | cait: excuse me? |
| 20:12 | ashimema | Just continueing to plod along :) |
| 20:12 | rmaints? | |
| 20:12 | Fridolin also sends his apologies.. | |
| 20:13 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA, late |
| 20:13 | cait | moving on then :) |
| 20:13 | ashimema | also, I've proposed to take on rmaint for 18.11 next cycle |
| 20:13 | cait | ah |
| 20:13 | ashimema | Fridolin Somers : Last release of 17.05.x is ready will be out in a few days. Proposed to continue on RMaint 17.11. |
| 20:13 | onwards | |
| 20:14 | cait | #info ashimema has proposed to be Rmaint for 18.11 for next cycle (19.05) |
| 20:14 | #info Fridolin Somers : Last release of 17.05.x is ready will be out in a few days. Proposed to continue on RMaint 17.11. | |
| 20:14 | ashimema | that leaves us with a gap for 18.05 rmaint for the next cycle at the moment |
| 20:14 | cait | #info Still looking for a 18.05 Release maintainer for the next cycle |
| 20:15 | hm maybe something for announcements, but we shoudl send the roles page to ml i tihnk | |
| 20:15 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_19.05 Please sign up for the 19.05 release team | |
| 20:15 | and schedule election for next general meeting? | |
| 20:16 | ashimema | good plan |
| 20:16 | cait | #action cait to add elections to next general meeting |
| 20:16 | josef_moravec | +1 |
| 20:16 | cait | someone volunteering to send the email? |
| 20:17 | ashimema | I can send an email |
| 20:17 | #action ashimema to send an email reminding people to look at and add their names to 19.05 roles page | |
| 20:18 | cait | #action ashimema to send call for release team to mailing list |
| 20:18 | heh | |
| 20:18 | ashimema | haha |
| 20:18 | cait | moving on? |
| 20:18 | ashimema | go for it.. |
| 20:19 | cait | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 20:19 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:19 | cait | I'm still catching on things from the last few weeks but there has been quite a flurry of activity on bugzilla |
| 20:19 | numbers on the dashboard are slowly coming down - nso was under 200 this morning... no more | |
| 20:20 | some long standing shibboleth patches have been pushed, also stock rotation | |
| 20:20 | lots to do :) keep QA'ing! | |
| 20:20 | ashimema | feature slush is fast aproaching.. |
| 20:20 | cait | yes |
| 20:20 | #info November 2 - Feature slush - no enhancement/new features that have not passed QA will be considered for release | |
| 20:20 | was just looking it up | |
| 20:20 | so we are ona deadline | |
| 20:21 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:21 | cait | but great stuff happening, keep pushing :) |
| 20:22 | i'd love to see some omre progress on the ES patches | |
| 20:22 | #info ES patches are a bit behind, would be great to see some work on those | |
| 20:22 | moving on? | |
| 20:22 | josef_moravec | I like to start with testing ES more, hope I'll be able to make QA on them soon |
| 20:22 | ashimema | i'm just getting myself up to speed on ES workings for qa |
| 20:23 | cait | i tihnk we got some great stuff waiting there - but also not understanding it well enough right now |
| 20:23 | ashimema | lacking in confidence for the bigger ES ones so far though.. |
| 20:23 | cait | we might have to just jump in :) |
| 20:23 | moving on? some more good topics ont he agenda tonight | |
| 20:23 | josef_moravec | move on |
| 20:24 | cait | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas,...) |
| 20:24 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas,...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:24 | cait | ashimema: do you want to take over? |
| 20:24 | ashimema | just trying to remember who suggested using git trailers |
| 20:25 | oleonard | jajm? |
| 20:25 | josef_moravec | juian? |
| 20:25 | ashimema | ah yes.. |
| 20:25 | loose agreement was reached on the mailing lists and the wiki has been updated with some examples: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]es#Other_trailers | |
| 20:26 | I wondered if we wanted to go any further next cycle and encourage their use any more formally then | |
| 20:26 | happy to save that one for a more corrate audience? | |
| 20:27 | cait | corrate? |
| 20:27 | ashimema | more interested parties being around ;) |
| 20:28 | given the quietness lets save that one | |
| 20:28 | so.. the second idea/suggestion was my own | |
| 20:28 | the bugzilla status's | |
| 20:29 | I've been in rmaint role for a few months now and feel I've managed to get the idea.. but one thing had been bugging me.. it always felt wrong that our process marked a bug as 'RESOLVED FIXED' the moment it was pushed into the lowest supported branch it was going to be ported to.. | |
| 20:30 | feels like that status should be saved for actual release of the fix to the wider public | |
| 20:30 | as such.. | |
| 20:30 | I wanted to suggest a bit og bugzilla status tidy up | |
| 20:31 | * ashimema | sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]GeeZfzgOpwIXgNZBe > |
| 20:31 | ashimema | any objections by anyone |
| 20:31 | rangi perhaps as I'd be coming to you to ask for actual implimentation most likely? | |
| 20:32 | cait | ashimema: i didn't get your last |
| 20:32 | sent a long message it says (client problem maybe) | |
| 20:32 | tidy up... | |
| 20:32 | rangi | https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]GeeZfzgOpwIXgNZBe cait |
| 20:32 | thats the message | |
| 20:32 | from ashimema | |
| 20:32 | cait | i get an error there |
| 20:33 | M_NOT_FOUND | |
| 20:33 | ashimema | ooh.. sorry |
| 20:33 | it was just a copy/paste from https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_10_October_2018 | |
| 20:33 | the proposal details | |
| 20:33 | cait | hm odd, the first works |
| 20:34 | #idea Add Pushed to oldstable and Pushed to oldoldstable to get us in line with Debian package codenames and reserve RESOLVED FIXED for applying upon release | |
| 20:34 | #idea Script for RMaints to mark all Pushed to branch as RESOLVED FIXED upon release. | |
| 20:34 | #idea Remove Pushed for QA and Pushed by Module Maintainer as they aren't in active use. | |
| 20:34 | ashimema | thanks cait |
| 20:34 | cait | i support all 3 |
| 20:34 | i think Joubu might have something for 2 | |
| 20:34 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:35 | cait | or something similar, I think there was a script around to mark recently pushed for RM |
| 20:35 | ashimema | I'm happy to write the release script side to automate changeing to RESOLVED FIXED (if joubu hasn't already done so) |
| 20:35 | indeed.. | |
| 20:36 | cait | anyone else? :) |
| 20:36 | ashimema | i chose codenames instead of version numbers so we're not stuck updating status's i bz every cycle |
| 20:36 | but am open to suggestions.. | |
| 20:36 | oleonard | I am also happy for ashimema to write the release script |
| 20:36 | wahanui | okay, oleonard. |
| 20:36 | josef_moravec | i like this idea |
| 20:36 | ashimema | lol |
| 20:37 | just feels like it brings us closer to the norm ;) | |
| 20:37 | josef_moravec | there was some discussion about code names in Koha some time before... |
| 20:37 | cait | i vetoed cheese names i think |
| 20:37 | * oleonard | does not care for code names |
| 20:38 | cait | should we have a vote on all 3 points together? |
| 20:38 | or just 1 + 2 as those are the bugzilla changes? | |
| 20:38 | rangi: are you ok with making the changes if we vote yes? | |
| 20:38 | ashimema | +1 |
| 20:38 | oleonard | I think code names are exclusionary because they obscure information from people who are new. |
| 20:39 | ashimema | do you count stable, oldstable tc as codenames oleonard? |
| 20:39 | rangi | yep |
| 20:39 | josef_moravec | we could vote on all I think |
| 20:39 | cait | #startvote Shall we add 2 new status: pushed to oldstable, pushed to oldoldstable and remove 2: pushed for qa, pushed by module maintainer? (yes,no,abstain) |
| 20:39 | huginn | Begin voting on: Shall we add 2 new status: pushed to oldstable, pushed to oldoldstable and remove 2: pushed for qa, pushed by module maintainer? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . |
| 20:39 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:39 | ashimema | they track the debian scheme.. and wiki documentation for the repo |
| 20:39 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:39 | oleonard | #vote yes |
| 20:39 | ashimema | and seemed the clearest to me |
| 20:40 | #vote yes | |
| 20:40 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | ashimema | frido and kidclamp were both happy with the idea too |
| 20:40 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | cait | giving it another moment |
| 20:41 | #endvote | |
| 20:41 | huginn | Voted on "Shall we add 2 new status: pushed to oldstable, pushed to oldoldstable and remove 2: pushed for qa, pushed by module maintainer?" Results are |
| 20:41 | yes (5): oleonard, ashimema, cait, josef_moravec, thd | |
| 20:41 | cait | #agreed we will make the suggested changes to bugzilla status (yes (5): oleonard, ashimema, cait, josef_moravec, thd) |
| 20:41 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:41 | cait | #action rangi to change bugzilla (plz) |
| 20:42 | ashimema | #action ashimema to update release maintanence page to reflect the change |
| 20:42 | cait | good :) |
| 20:42 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 20:42 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:42 | cait | nothing on agenda - anyone anything here? |
| 20:43 | ashimema | nothing from me |
| 20:43 | cait | moving on |
| 20:43 | oleonard | everyone should code good |
| 20:43 | cait | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 20:43 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018) | |
| 20:43 | cait | i think rhythm is still biweekly? |
| 20:43 | so 24th | |
| 20:43 | ? | |
| 20:44 | doest hat clash with another? | |
| 20:44 | * ashimema | checks diary |
| 20:44 | oleonard | No |
| 20:44 | josef_moravec | nothing in koha calendar so should be ok |
| 20:44 | ashimema | 24th seems good |
| 20:44 | cait | is biweekly right? |
| 20:45 | ashimema | I think so |
| 20:45 | josef_moravec | I think so |
| 20:45 | cait | ok |
| 20:45 | looking up syntax, sec | |
| 20:45 | which time? | |
| 20:46 | ashimema | today felt a tad late to me.. but.. we got rangi :) |
| 20:46 | cait | 14utc? |
| 20:46 | oleonard | rangi is a pretty big get |
| 20:47 | cait | #info Next meeting: 24 October 2018, 14 UTC |
| 20:47 | so quiet | |
| 20:47 | ending meeting :) | |
| 20:47 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:47 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:47 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Oct 10 20:47:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:47 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-10-10-20.03.html | |
| 20:47 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-10-10-20.03.txt | |
| 20:47 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]10-20.03.log.html | |
| 20:48 | ashimema | thanks cait for chairing |
| 20:48 | cait++ | |
| 20:48 | night all | |
| 20:48 | josef_moravec | cait++ |
| 20:48 | cait | ashimema++ |
| 20:48 | josef_moravec | ashimema++ |
| 20:49 | ashimema | koha++ :) |
| 20:49 | and on that note.. time for me to switch off and to to sleep | |
| 20:50 | oleonard | cait++ |
| 20:52 | Freddy_Enrique | cait++ |
| 20:52 | Veronica joined #koha | |
| 20:56 | Veronica | Thanks, I want to add barcode, itemcallnumber and copynumber in the summary-print.pl template,in this code |
| 20:56 | sub build_reserve_data { my $reserves = shift; my $return = []; my $today = DateTime->now( time_zone => C4::Context->tz ); $today->truncate( to => 'day' ); while ( my $reserve = $reserves->next() ) { my $row = { title => $reserve->biblio()->title(), author => $reserve->biblio()->author(), reservedate => $reserve->reservedate(), expirationdate => | |
| 20:56 | Thanks | |
| 20:58 | cait | good night all :) |
| 20:59 | Veronica | Thanks, I want to add barcode, itemcallnumber and copynumber in the summary-print.pl template,in this code |
| 21:05 | * CrispyBran | is no longer away : Gone for 3 hours 45 seconds |
| 21:13 | waves | |
| 21:13 | caroline | hi CrispyBran! |
| 21:13 | CrispyBran | hi |
| 21:57 | @seen tcohen | |
| 21:57 | huginn | CrispyBran: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <tcohen> later #koha |
| 21:58 | CrispyBran | @seen kidclamp |
| 21:58 | huginn | CrispyBran: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <kidclamp> bye koha! see you next week! (find tcohen in my absence) |
| 21:59 | Freddy_Enrique left #koha | |
| 22:02 | faviola joined #koha | |
| 22:02 | faviola | The method Koha::Biblio->barcode is not covered by tests! , HELP |
| 22:02 | PLIS | |
| 22:53 | davidnind left #koha | |
| 22:56 | CrispyBran | anyone know if there is a way to retrieve a private convo from irc? |
| 23:02 | caroline | good night #koha! |
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