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| 02:37 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
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| 05:57 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:22 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:38 | paxed | is there a way to skip one day so that no late payments are accrued? |
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| 07:00 | ashimema | For all users ? |
| 07:01 | Stick a holiday in the calendar I think | |
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| 11:12 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 11:19 | fridolin | hi there |
| 11:20 | back in my home office ;) | |
| 11:23 | hi magnuse we missed you a lot | |
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| 11:43 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 11:44 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 11:44 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
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| 11:58 | * oleonard | waves to waking-up people |
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| 12:01 | * kidclamp | waves |
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| 12:26 | * ashimema | waves back to kidclamp and oleonard |
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| 13:03 | tcohen | hola! |
| 13:06 | fridolin: pleae pick the select2 patch for 17.11 | |
| 13:07 | fridolin | tcohen: yoooo |
| 13:07 | which BZ ? | |
| 13:07 | tcohen | 21285 |
| 13:07 | hi BTW | |
| 13:08 | its an invisible patch LOL | |
| 13:08 | and is only reproducible in hidpi screens | |
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| 13:18 | caroline_ | Good morning! |
| 13:32 | magnuse | hmmm, is it possible to keep e.g. reference items (items only avaiable on one day loan) from showing up on the "holds to pull" report? so that only books with a normal/long loan period shows up on "holds to pull"? |
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| 13:33 | magnuse | feels like i'm missing something obvious |
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| 13:57 | oleonard | magnuse: Can't that be done in the circulation rule for the item type? Zero holds allowed? |
| 13:59 | kidclamp | meeting soon |
| 13:59 | tcohen | next meetings? |
| 13:59 | kidclamp | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]19_September_2018 |
| 14:00 | tcohen | (Y) |
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| 14:03 | kidclamp | #startmeeting https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]19_September_2018 |
| 14:03 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Sep 19 14:03:54 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]9_September_2018) | |
| 14:03 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'https___wiki_koha_community_org_wiki_development_irc_meeting_19_september_2018' |
| 14:04 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 14:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]9_September_2018) | |
| 14:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 14:04 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 14:04 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 14:04 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:04 | cc_ | #info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe |
| 14:04 | * ashimema | won't be around for long.. school run in a few minutes |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 14:05 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]9_September_2018) | |
| 14:06 | kidclamp | #info Kohacon was awesome! many patches moved, new developer added (shortly) and much fun |
| 14:06 | any other announcements? | |
| 14:07 | #meetingtopic Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018 | |
| 14:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:07 | kidclamp | #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11) |
| 14:07 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:08 | kidclamp | Pushing things, it is September will announce freeze dates soon |
| 14:08 | tcohen | kidclamp++ |
| 14:08 | kidclamp | Jonathan reminded me to generate pre-release notes, so those have been update |
| 14:08 | there are still many things I want for 18.11 - please hit ES patches asw much as possible, plus stock rotation and mana | |
| 14:09 | if anyone has anything else they are keen on please let me know | |
| 14:09 | ashimema | stock rotation++ |
| 14:09 | tcohen | mana++ |
| 14:09 | kidclamp | I will mention we discussed ES at Kohacon - there are indexing patches which move away from Catmandu for indexing and we have agreed to move forwward with these |
| 14:10 | ashimema | be nice to get the staff shibboleth off the table.. it's been around for a while |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 14:10 | ashimema | +1 |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | bug 12027 |
| 14:10 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12027 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Shibboleth authentication for staff client |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | @later tell matts please look at bug 12027 |
| 14:10 | huginn` | kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 14:11 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:11 | ashimema | :) |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | ashimema, fridolin |
| 14:11 | * ashimema | that would make me very happy |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | we have been using it in production for ages |
| 14:12 | ashimema | #info Next 18.05.x stable release scheduled for 24th |
| 14:12 | us too ;) | |
| 14:12 | just needs that final qa stamp | |
| 14:12 | been pushed steadily keeping up with bugfixes in master. | |
| 14:12 | that's all from me | |
| 14:13 | kidclamp | okay, moving on |
| 14:13 | ashimema | didn't see Fridolin join.. so.. |
| 14:13 | kidclamp | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 14:13 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:13 | ashimema | #info Next 17.11.x release scheduled for 26th |
| 14:13 | done his too ;) | |
| 14:13 | * ashimema | has to run off on school pickup.. will watch from phone |
| 14:14 | kidclamp | no cait - she says she loves all your patches, get them signed off and she will pass qa :-b |
| 14:14 | jk | |
| 14:14 | they have been working hard, she will get her emails out again next week i believe - anyone else form QA have something to add? | |
| 14:15 | oleonard | QA++ |
| 14:16 | kidclamp | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 14:16 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:17 | kidclamp | anyone have something? |
| 14:17 | ashimema | fix all the things |
| 14:17 | * ashimema | runs away |
| 14:18 | kidclamp | kyle has been working on the new sandbox system suing docker - it was battle tested at kohacon and has omproved |
| 14:18 | tomas is working on some fixes for kohadevbox | |
| 14:18 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:18 | kidclamp | our tools are getting better and easier :-) |
| 14:18 | tcohen | #info koha-testing-docker https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ha-testing-docker |
| 14:18 | khall | #info koha-sandboxes-docker https://github.com/bywatersolu[…]-sandboxes-docker |
| 14:18 | thd | "suing docker" is best ;) |
| 14:19 | kidclamp | checkout the repo and submit issues-fixes |
| 14:19 | heh | |
| 14:19 | cc_ | I was wondering - Koha.pm's normalize_isbn subroutine normalizes to 10 chars should we be looking at moving that to 13-digits in future? |
| 14:19 | tcohen | #info live new sandboxes: http://sb1.sandboxes.bywatersolutions.com/ |
| 14:20 | kidclamp | cc_ makes sense, I think there are valid 13 digit that don't convert now? also I think we use Business::ISBN for all of that - has it been updated> |
| 14:20 | i don't know if there are external sites we use that require 10 though | |
| 14:21 | thd | ISBN 10 should not be "converted" to ISBN 13. |
| 14:21 | We need both ISBN 10 and ISBN 13. | |
| 14:22 | ISBN is no longer a single value it is a multiplicity of values. | |
| 14:22 | kidclamp | yes thd, not converting in record, but we 'normalize' to have a standard version to use when coding |
| 14:22 | cc_ | I'm certainly finding more and more using ISBN-13 we can generate 10 versions from it |
| 14:23 | and for record matching | |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | bug 14287 |
| 14:23 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Preserve valid ISBN-13 identifiers if they start with something else than 978 |
| 14:24 | kidclamp | bug 15772 |
| 14:24 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15772 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetNormalizedISBN returns a 10 digit ISBN - should return 13 |
| 14:24 | kidclamp | bug 9500 |
| 14:24 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9500 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , GetNormalizedISBN only ever checks the first populated ISBN field |
| 14:25 | kidclamp | moving on |
| 14:25 | thd | I have not looked at the record matching code in a long time. Matching values precisely with or without ISBN is a fundamental mistake for record matching. |
| 14:25 | ashimema | Business::ISBN doesn't try to keep up with all valid isbns btw.. would could be shipping out own up to date XML config map file with koha to get it right more |
| 14:25 | But that's a side issue | |
| 14:26 | thd | We should use the combination of ISBN 10 and 13 but with a low weight for ISBN. |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | thd - that's why everyone can make their own rules :-) |
| 14:26 | cc_ if you find more relevant bugs or file one let me know | |
| 14:26 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 14:26 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | I don't think we have anything for today |
| 14:27 | cc_ | Looks like 15772 may need prodding |
| 14:27 | ashimema | Agrre |
| 14:27 | thd | Last time I looked matching values for record matching was an all or nothing with no provision for weighting but maybe that has changed. |
| 14:28 | kidclamp | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 14:28 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018) | |
| 14:28 | kidclamp | You can set threshhold and scores for matching thd, I think they work correctly |
| 14:29 | thd | Thanks for updating me. |
| 14:29 | kidclamp | October 10th, 20 UTC? (one extra week to not overlap with general) |
| 14:30 | thd | +1 |
| 14:30 | oleonard | +1 |
| 14:31 | kidclamp | #info Next meeting: 10 October 2018, 20 UTC |
| 14:31 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:31 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 14:31 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Sep 19 14:31:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:31 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-19-14.03.html | |
| 14:31 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-09-19-14.03.txt | |
| 14:31 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]19-14.03.log.html | |
| 14:31 | kidclamp | thanks all! |
| 14:31 | oleonard | kidclamp++ |
| 14:32 | tcohen | kidclamp |
| 14:32 | wahanui | kidclamp is probably getting the queue as clean as possible before Kohacon |
| 14:32 | tcohen | kidclamp++ |
| 14:32 | oleonard | wahanui: kidclamp has plenty of time for that now |
| 14:32 | wahanui | oleonard: i'm not following you... |
| 14:33 | tcohen | kidclamp: you can also set normalization rules for matching, right? |
| 14:33 | kidclamp | that sounds right |
| 14:37 | fridolin | kidclamp: sorry I was too buzy, see my email septembre release |
| 14:37 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 13406: (RM follow-up) Add missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]52c5347eb5091ba23> |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Jane Sandberg <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0a581f731b6d28cc7> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 13406: (follow-up) Add styling classes to authority MARC detail display <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]841826b7a70dac3c9> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 13406: Add styling classes to authority MARC detail display <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fef95e7e95ac0224e> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Bibliographic Record => Bibliographic record <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fd9f23484f1c71f7a> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 7143: Update history to reflect recent point releases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1c36f9f3d881117ab> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 20564: Don't use system to unzip files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]da61520447c60671d> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: (follow-up) Minor corrections <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6e888d9ff79939ae5> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Changing the "biblios" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8f6dcea8aad987bc4> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Changing the "biblios" acqui <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dc2280b6c51a74745> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Changing the "biblios" - most of reports <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4a686ff7b1ce50b12> | |
| 14:38 | kidclamp | np fridolin |
| 14:38 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Changing the "biblios" - most of admin <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a0b2c8e24a39f1a11> |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Kill all the "bibilos" - final couple <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0a9afa4e92d065416> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 19833: Kill the "biblios" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]57119ee209825ef70> | |
| 14:42 | oleonard | josef_moravec: I hope you can come to a KohaCon or hackfest sometime |
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| 14:57 | Ekrama | Hi,i am facing some difficulties to web installation of koha. Command with xml is showing reply that no directories. |
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| 15:00 | oleonard | Ekrama: At what stage of installation are you encountering the problem? |
| 15:03 | Ekrama | Step 5.web installation. (gedit /etc/koha/sites/instancename/koha-conf.xml) |
| 15:05 | oleonard | Ekrama: What instructions are you following? Is it a page on the Koha wiki? |
| 15:06 | Ekrama | I am following a tutorial on youtube. |
| 15:06 | oleonard | Can you share the link? |
| 15:09 | Guest752 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #558: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/558/ |
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| 15:10 | Guest752 | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #46: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/46/ |
| 15:11 | Ekrama | Sorry i am unable to share the link at once. But it was on 'spoken bombay iit tutorials' on koha installation. |
| 15:12 | Guest752 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #52: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/52/ |
| 15:13 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:13 | caroline_ | Hello mtompset! |
| 15:13 | mtompset | @seen kidclamp |
| 15:13 | huginn` | mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 35 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <kidclamp> np fridolin |
| 15:14 | mtompset | Greetings, caroline_ :) |
| 15:14 | @seen bag | |
| 15:14 | huginn` | mtompset: bag was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <bag> good morning |
| 15:14 | bag | hi |
| 15:15 | mtompset | Thought you might have an idea about who to bug about the ByWater Sandboxes not signing off properly. :) |
| 15:15 | bag | I sure do - it’s khall |
| 15:15 | mtompset | I just "rescued" some bugs from lack of sign off. :) |
| 15:15 | bag | or you can put something on the github for it mtompset |
| 15:15 | mtompset | url? |
| 15:16 | khall | mtompset: can you paste the output if there is any? |
| 15:17 | mtompset | I wasn't doing signoffs with it. |
| 15:17 | I was hunting bugzilla for "ByWater Sandboxes" Needs Signoff, and found some. :) | |
| 15:17 | As a bug I had looked at hit that problem, so I expanded my search to that. :) | |
| 15:18 | bug 15139 was one of them... | |
| 15:18 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15139 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Show non-public item note in overdues report |
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| 15:18 | khall | ah right, so the patches get signed off, but the status doesn't change |
| 15:19 | right? | |
| 15:19 | mtompset | bug 21340 was probably another. |
| 15:19 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21340 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add spans with classes around callnumbers in OPAC for additional styling |
| 15:19 | mtompset | Yes. That seems to be the problem. |
| 15:19 | khall | I'll add a note at the very least, should be fixeable though! |
| 15:19 | mtompset | Thanks, bag khall :) |
| 15:19 | khall | np! |
| 15:19 | bag | khall++ |
| 15:20 | ajackslib | can i get help with a few question about my Koha system from this channel |
| 15:21 | caroline_ | ajackslib: yes, you're at the right place |
| 15:21 | mtompset | Help with questions, yes. Guaranteed answers, nope. :) |
| 15:21 | ajackslib | great, I am having major issues. |
| 15:21 | * mtompset | refuses to promise fixes. :) |
| 15:21 | mtompset | How did you install? |
| 15:22 | ajackslib | i was wondering if anyone else is a mac user? i am and my questions stem from that |
| 15:22 | mtompset | What did you install on? |
| 15:22 | Oh... and that's another reason I said no guaranteed answers. :) | |
| 15:22 | ajackslib | was not here when the install was done |
| 15:23 | mtompset | Let's hypothetically ignore the mac part... describe the issue. :) |
| 15:23 | Okay... they installed koha on the mac, or accessible to the mac? | |
| 15:24 | ajackslib | okay, first issue is my system says he needs updating but it will not download. I was wondering if uninstall and reinstall the new version if that would be the best way around the issue? |
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| 15:25 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:25 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 15:25 | mtompset | which system? koha or your mac? |
| 15:25 | ajackslib | koha |
| 15:25 | mtompset | what url are you using? |
| 15:26 | the OPAC or staff client? | |
| 15:26 | ajackslib | 172.16.51.205:8080/cgi-bin/koha |
| 15:27 | where would I find out if it is OPAC or staff client | |
| 15:27 | mtompset | OPAC has a pretty search bar. |
| 15:27 | Staff client has a login screen. | |
| 15:27 | ajackslib | staff client |
| 15:27 | mtompset | If you only see a login screen, you are in the correct place. |
| 15:28 | okay... do you know the system username and password? | |
| 15:28 | ajackslib | yes |
| 15:29 | mtompset | Okay, so log in... it will upgrade. |
| 15:30 | ajackslib | done that and it still doesnt work right like the update is incomplete or something |
| 15:30 | the Koha system will not allow me to things that as the admin i should be able to do | |
| 15:31 | mtompset | that isn't a descriptive enough solution. |
| 15:31 | AH! | |
| 15:31 | Okay... it upgraded, and then you discovered you don't have the permissions you thought. :) | |
| 15:31 | ajackslib | right |
| 15:32 | mtompset | So is the koha ON the mac? |
| 15:32 | ajackslib | yes |
| 15:32 | mtompset | or is it in a virtualized environment on the mac? |
| 15:32 | or is it on a separate server accessible by the mac? | |
| 15:32 | ajackslib | how would i tell if it is in a virtualized environment? |
| 15:33 | it is not a seperate server | |
| 15:33 | mtompset | Do you have to run virtualbox, or some other software first before clicking your koha link? |
| 15:33 | ajackslib | i have to open vbox |
| 15:33 | mtompset | virtualized. |
| 15:34 | do you have shell command access to vbox? | |
| 15:34 | ajackslib | not sure the tech guy that helps out at the school has never given me access to the vbox info but also refuses to help me figure out the problems |
| 15:35 | he claims he has done all he could do | |
| 15:35 | mtompset | is there any meaningful data in your koha? |
| 15:36 | ajackslib | staff,student and teacher names and a catolog of my inventory |
| 15:36 | *catalog | |
| 15:37 | mtompset | *sigh* |
| 15:38 | If you can't get shell access, you can't find or fix the problem. | |
| 15:39 | And I don't have time to walk you through setting up a VM all on your own. | |
| 15:39 | caroline_ | could you export all the users and biblio records, reinstall, and import back the data? |
| 15:40 | mtompset | caroline_, Yes, that is what I would recommend, but if ajackslib is unfamiliar with vbox, then they will need help walking through the installation process. |
| 15:40 | caroline_ | and you can't access the interface, is that what I understand? |
| 15:40 | the regular koha staff interface | |
| 15:41 | mtompset | caroline_, my understanding is that because ajackslib's user is not a superlibrarian, only certain portions of the staff client are accessible. |
| 15:41 | Shell access to create a superlibrarian would be the easiest method, but ajackslib doesn't have shell access. | |
| 15:41 | caroline_ | right... and with no access to the shell, you can't do much |
| 15:42 | mtompset | hence the painful, try to save all the data and create from scratch. |
| 15:42 | also... | |
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| 15:42 | mtompset | the tech guy may have linked the MAC address to the IP address, so DHCP always gives it that IP address. |
| 15:43 | A new VM will need to use that MAC address, but you can't have both VM's running at the same time, or network hell opens up and swallows you. | |
| 15:44 | * mtompset | sighs, "And this is why I made no promises." |
| 15:45 | mtompset | 80's musical flashback.... |
| 15:45 | https://youtu.be/HKdj_olSKhU | |
| 15:45 | ajackslib | sorry got called away for a minute |
| 15:45 | oleonard | AndrewIsh around? |
| 15:46 | AndrewIsh | Hi oleonard |
| 15:46 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 15:46 | caroline_ | ajackslib: you'll have to buy your tech guy a nice bottle of wine and ask him to run the script to create a superlibrarian |
| 15:47 | oleonard | AndrewIsh: I've added some test data to my system to try to test ILL stuff but the list of ILL requests is coming up empty. The developer console says that the call to the ILl requests API isn't found |
| 15:47 | Any idea what's going on? | |
| 15:47 | mtompset | caroline_, as the instance he created. |
| 15:47 | ajackslib | caroline_ what is the shell you are talking about? |
| 15:48 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: That's a new one on me, so it's making the API call but it's returning a 404? |
| 15:48 | mtompset | on the VM: login: {username} password: {password} $ sudo koha-shell {name of instance} |
| 15:48 | oleonard | AndrewIsh: That is, the call to /api/v1/illrequests?embed=metadata,patron,capabilities,library returns a 404 |
| 15:48 | caroline_ | ajackslib: I'm trying to fing the name of the script, pretty sure there is one that does it |
| 15:49 | ajackslib | because the tech guy and I are the only two people who have admin access. And my access is suppose to be able to do anything with the system |
| 15:49 | it is very frustrating | |
| 15:49 | Dyrcona | ajackslib: You should probably get the tech guy in here. |
| 15:49 | mtompset | wait... |
| 15:50 | sudo koha-shell instance -c | |
| 15:50 | "/usr/share/koha/bin/devel/create_superlibrarian.pl --userid | |
| 15:50 | my_desired_username --password somethinglongandcomplicated" | |
| 15:50 | caroline_ | yes that's the one I was looking for |
| 15:50 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: That is exceedingly odd, I've never seen it do that. I'll have a ponder, one moment |
| 15:50 | ajackslib | he is a volunteer tech person and only comes around when it works for his schedule :( |
| 15:50 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: This is master? |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Yes |
| 15:51 | caroline_ | youtube is now playing only 80's music, I have to get out of the loop! :O |
| 15:53 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 15:53 | mtompset | It's "Under [My] Spell"... |
| 15:55 | * mtompset | liked Candi -- plus it's Canadian content. :) |
| 15:55 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: Do you have this? https://github.com/PTFS-Europe[…]aths.json#L35-L37 |
| 15:56 | oleonard: Given it's master, there's no reason why you wouldn't, but I'm clutching at straws | |
| 15:56 | oleonard | Yes I do. |
| 15:57 | * mtompset | grins evilly, "Turn off plack." |
| 15:57 | mtompset | But seriously, test with and without plack. :) |
| 15:59 | ajackslib | mtompset do you know of any where or one else that in Koha that couldbe of help to me? |
| 15:59 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: Are other REST API endpoints working? |
| 16:00 | ajackslib | if i can get the answer or get someone to help walk me through it, i might be able to figure it out |
| 16:00 | mtompset | ajackslib, Dyrcona is right, I seriously doubted the tech guy even came to the IRC channel. |
| 16:01 | ajackslib | he probally didn't- but I can't wait on him. |
| 16:01 | i need to become my own tech guy | |
| 16:02 | mtompset | -- at least for Koha, yes. :) |
| 16:02 | ajackslib | yes at least for koha :) |
| 16:03 | mtompset | Is this Koha going to be production? |
| 16:03 | caroline_ | ajackslib: I guess start by googling how to set up a vm |
| 16:04 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: A quick test would be going to /api/v1/cities in your browser |
| 16:06 | ajackslib | thank you- I have a class- you have all been helpful |
| 16:08 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: I've got to disappear now I'm afraid, sorry! I'm pretty sure it must be a local problem, I've not seen this anywhere else and we've got a number of customers using it. Drop any additional info in here though and I'll take a look tomorrow :) |
| 16:08 | oleonard | Thanks AndrewIsh! |
| 16:09 | AndrewIsh++ | |
| 16:09 | * oleonard | is sure he's done something stupid to mess up his test system |
| 16:19 | mtompset | Nah, oleonard. Blame caching, it's fun. Try it, "It's all the memcached, L1 cache, L2 cache, Plack and other caching messes fault." |
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| 16:27 | mtompset | Okay... I guess you didn't see my you should blame caching. :) |
| 16:28 | oleonard, unless you've messed your system up some other way. :) | |
| 16:28 | Don't you use a Mac, oleonard? | |
| 16:29 | oleonard | Only sometimes mtompset. Usually Windows. |
| 16:32 | * mtompset | is shocked. |
| 16:33 | mtompset | I thought you were a hardcore Apple user. |
| 16:35 | oleonard | No I'm a softcore Apple user. |
| 16:36 | mtompset | BTW, thanks for the current best practices comment on bug 13272 |
| 16:36 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13272 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Many inputs lack a type attribute |
| 16:38 | mtompset | @seen CrispyBran |
| 16:38 | huginn` | mtompset: CrispyBran was last seen in #koha 2 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: * CrispyBran is trying to look somewhat entelyjint next to kidclamp |
| 16:39 | mtompset | If I fix up 13272, will you sign it off, oleonard? |
| 16:40 | oleonard | I would be happy to test, mtompset |
| 16:50 | mtompset | bug 13272 is available for testing now. I hadn't more than eyeball skimmed it before. :) |
| 16:50 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13272 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Many inputs lack a type attribute |
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| 17:54 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
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| 18:27 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Anyone know what to do about this error?" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/76 |
| 18:31 | oleonard | Hm, caused by testing Bug 16881? I don't know. I seemed to have been able to roll it back. |
| 18:31 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16881 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Apply KohaTable and ColVis plugin on MARCdetail's items table |
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| 18:43 | oleonard | Hi cait! |
| 18:43 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen |
| 18:45 | oleonard, oh no! Is this the case sensitivity bug again? | |
| 18:45 | oleonard | The schema error? It's working after a second try |
| 18:46 | mtompset | I vaguely recall and Accountoffset and AccountOffset issue that reared its ugly head on Windoze. |
| 18:54 | oleonard, sorry for failing to run the koha qa test tools. Patch submitted to bug 13272. :) | |
| 18:54 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13272 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Many inputs lack a type attribute |
| 18:56 | oleonard | I'll try to take another look tomorrow mtompset |
| 18:56 | bye #koha | |
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| 20:13 | Joubu | hi #koha |
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| 20:32 | tcohen | hola Joubu! |
| 20:32 | wb! | |
| 20:33 | bag | heya Joubu |
| 20:42 | Joubu | hola tcohen, bag! |
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| 20:45 | Infra_3600 | hello all. will koha migrate to perl6 in the future? |
| 20:58 | Joubu | nope |
| 20:58 | in a far future maybe :) | |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | cait about? |
| 21:11 | or anyone who has tried to get a prediction pattern to work for "year, month, day" | |
| 21:13 | caroline_ | wizzyrea: how do you mean? (examples?) |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | for example, a serial that has a text pattern of |
| 21:14 | 2018 January 7 | |
| 21:14 | we can get the year and month to go ok | |
| 21:14 | but the days are not going, the logic of "add 7 every 1 week when days less than 31" | |
| 21:14 | doesn't work | |
| 21:15 | caroline_ | I think you have to assume that all months have 31 days, and then check as "unpublished" the 31 of the months that don't have one |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | ok but |
| 21:16 | let's say that you're supposed to get an issue on 3 Oct | |
| 21:16 | Koha is going to start that issue with 1 Oct | |
| 21:16 | not for the pubdate, for the Number | |
| 21:16 | pubdates it gets right | |
| 21:17 | caroline_ | So they aren't regular? |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | they are regular, they come every monday, every 7 days |
| 21:17 | caroline_ | ooh |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | we are kiiiind of thinking that actually |
| 21:18 | what we want to do here isn't possible | |
| 21:18 | but we feel a bit weird that no one else has noticed it? | |
| 21:18 | caroline_ | yeah I don't think it's possible |
| 21:18 | I have a similar problem with a serial that comes only on the 1st and the 15th | |
| 21:19 | I can't say it's two weeks (14 days) or 15 days (doesn't work with months which don't have 30 days) | |
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| 21:20 | caroline_ | I think you'll have to correct it manually |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | yeah we have someone who doesn't want to do that ^.^ |
| 21:22 | caroline_ | I totally get it... |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | so we're trying to find out if it's just that their patterning is wrong, or if there's something to fix :D |
| 21:22 | it's seeming like theres something to fix | |
| 21:22 | caroline_ | Other option is coding something that takes into account month lengths and leap years |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | hehe yeah that's what we're talking about, how to present that as an option, how it would work, etc |
| 21:33 | caroline_ | I have trouble imagining it actually, maybe under "formatting" there could be another option for days of the month |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | yeah I was thinking something like |
| 21:34 | "weekly, on <specified day>" | |
| 21:34 | Starting on <date> | |
| 21:36 | caroline_ | It doesn't really fit in the current logic so it's hard to imagine something |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | Yeah we were thinking also possibly something like |
| 21:37 | the holiday calendar | |
| 21:37 | where it's like "this subscription repeats weekly on Monday" so you click monday, specify repeating | |
| 21:37 | and that sets the pattern | |
| 21:37 | for these weird day ones | |
| 21:37 | they're not weird actually | |
| 21:38 | it's like, Time. Newsweek. Entertainment Weekly | |
| 21:38 | you know | |
| 21:38 | stuff everybody has :P | |
| 21:38 | bit gobsmacked that librarians aren't complaining VERY LOUDLY about how annoying that is. | |
| 21:38 | maybe they think it just won't get fixed :P | |
| 21:39 | caroline_ | our calendar system is weird, ever heard of base 10 greg? |
| 21:40 | 10-day week (5 work days and 5 weekends), wouldn't that be great? | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | hehe yes |
| 21:41 | that would be nice | |
| 21:43 | Joubu | wizzyrea: not sure I understoof the need correctly, but I tried that: https://snag.gy/NoI21w.jpg |
| 21:44 | caroline_ | Joubu, the "Monday" needs to be the date of the monday |
| 21:44 | so like 24 sept, 1 october, etc. | |
| 21:44 | But since sept doesn't have 31 days, the count is all messed up | |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | yeah it's not about the day name so much, but the date |
| 21:45 | Joubu | ha :-/ |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | so we have people wanting 4 Oct 2018 and it calculates the 1st |
| 21:46 | because "set back to 1 every 31 days" | |
| 21:46 | I don't see a way to math our way out of that | |
| 21:46 | caroline_ | I like your expression "math our way out" :D |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:47 | caroline_ | I'll ask my colleagues who have more math brains than I do to think about it |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | we've kind of decided that it needs fixing |
| 21:47 | haha | |
| 21:47 | but just, how to express it in the interface | |
| 21:47 | because it's almost too flexible | |
| 21:47 | (the interface) | |
| 21:47 | caroline_ | yes how to present it so it makes sense in the logic |
| 21:52 | Joubu | we could have patterns in the "Numbering formula", like the ones used by strftime, "%d/%m" would display 19/10 |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | we were thinking maybe a tickbox when you choose 1/week |
| 21:54 | [] on a specific day | |
| 21:54 | and then show a calendar picker for "starting on day" so they can see it | |
| 21:55 | and put those values into the relevant boxen | |
| 21:55 | and a tick box on the column that will be the day, so like, if you wanted to use x column for day | |
| 21:55 | there's a tickbox "use for day" | |
| 21:55 | and you don't get the options | |
| 21:55 | for rotating | |
| 21:55 | caroline_ | I don't know about the checkbox, but I like the calendar idea. It would also solve my problem with 1st and 15th of the month |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | it's just gonna do the biz |
| 21:56 | i'd like more "i'm just gonna handle it" from Koha serial predictions, actually :P | |
| 21:57 | caroline_ | just making it more visual would help a lot |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | the other option is to ditch this weird ass system altogether, and make it work like the holidays do :P |
| 21:58 | or um, aside this system, like the advanced cataloguing interface | |
| 21:58 | "Simple prediction patterns" | |
| 22:08 | Joubu, I think we're coming around to your way of adding a numbering pattern | |
| 22:08 | but making it so that when you pick it | |
| 22:08 | you don't get the advanced option for day/date | |
| 22:08 | if we use that one | |
| 22:08 | it just adds 7 days, always | |
| 22:08 | and no setting back | |
| 22:08 | ever. | |
| 22:09 | (and irregularities are dealt to of course, if necessary) | |
| 22:09 | thoughts? | |
| 22:10 | the default patterns in Koha are pretty sparse | |
| 22:11 | caroline_ | bye all! |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | bye thanks for engaging our questions :) |
| 22:24 | Joubu | wizzyrea: yep, sounds good |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | allrighty |
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| 23:14 | mtompset | what is a base 10 greg? |
| 23:14 | Can someone give me a URL to information on that? | |
| 23:25 | Joubu | https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Decimal_calendar ? |
| 23:26 | barton: people who raised the problem should share the file they staged | |
| 23:42 | alexbuckley | hi all, Just checking, I have been unable to find evidence of this. When a sms message is sent from Koha do we know when it fails at the sms gateway. i.e. Koha hands the message off if we have a valid sms number but if that fails to send outside of Koha do we know? |
| 23:52 | i.e. we have a client who had approx. 300 sms messages sent a month to users because their number is no longerin use or they have given a false number | |
| 23:54 | i.e. the patrons don't recieve the sms messages. the client would like to be able to edit 'borrower restrictions' in the batch borrower mod tool, but we were thinking that being able to automatically place a restriction on a borrower if their sms fails sending outside of Koha would also be useful | |
| 23:54 | any thoughts? | |
| 23:56 | mtompset | According the the CPAN page of Send::SMS (which is what I think we use).... |
| 23:56 | If the drive just returns true on success, there is no way for Koha to know. | |
| 23:57 | ^drive^driver^ | |
| 23:57 | "The send_sms returns true if the message was sent, or the driver is fire-and-forget and unable to determine success, or false if the message was not sent." | |
| 23:57 | In the case of Email to SMS... that would most definitely be the case. |
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