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| 00:51 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 00:51 | huginn` | tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 00:53 | tcohen | huginn`: I swear it exists |
| 00:53 | huginn` | tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | the weather bot is kinda broken I think |
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| 05:29 | jenkins | Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #11: FAILURE in 11 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/11/ |
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| 06:11 | Jsasse | bag: online? |
| 06:11 | wahanui | well, online is a big place :) |
| 06:17 | cait | @later tell Joubu can you add 17.11 to bugzilla plz? |
| 06:17 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:23 | jmsasse | htop |
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| 06:50 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 07:08 | jmsasse | Can anyone help me with plack? It's eating up all my cpu resources on my koha server. |
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| 07:27 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:40 | rosie | Hi, I am hoping someone can help me.. I have added titles to KOHA but they are not showing up in the cataloge..What have I done wrong? |
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| 07:49 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:49 | wahanui | bidet, alex_a |
| 07:49 | fridolin | hieeeee |
| 07:55 | clrh | hello |
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| 08:17 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:21 | magnuse | ~~~ |
| 08:23 | josef_moravec | morning #koha |
| 08:27 | mtj | hi folks, anyone seen this error before...? |
| 08:27 | ==> ./plack-error.log <== | |
| 08:27 | Error while loading /etc/koha/plack.psgi: Can't load application from file "/usr/share/koha/api/v1/app.pl": Can't locate object method "cache_dir" via package "Swagger2::SchemaValidator" at /usr/share/perl5/Swagger2.pm line 41. | |
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| 08:33 | cait | good morning #koha! |
| 08:34 | josef_moravec | mtj: what is the version of Swagger and JSON::Validator |
| 08:34 | hi cait | |
| 08:34 | cait: just writing reply to your questions ;) | |
| 08:35 | mtj | libswagger2-perl 0.77-1~koha1 |
| 08:35 | hiya josef_moravec, cait :) | |
| 08:35 | libjson-validator-perl 0.97-1~kohadev1 | |
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| 08:36 | mtj | i seem to have pulled some newer koha deps, during a koha 16.11 debian 8.9 -> 8.10 upgrade |
| 08:37 | ..plack seems unhappy now :'( | |
| 08:39 | cait | josef_moravec: thx a lot :) |
| 08:40 | josef_moravec | mtj: cache_dir was removed in JSON::Validator 0.93 |
| 08:40 | see https://github.com/jhthorsen/j[…]ob/master/Changes | |
| 08:40 | so, downgrading it could help | |
| 08:40 | newer Koha uses openapi plugin for mojolicious | |
| 08:41 | mtj | awesome info josef_moravec++ |
| 08:45 | magnuse | benjamin++ for signing off on rest api stuff |
| 08:47 | josef_moravec | benjamin++ |
| 08:54 | cait | benjamin++ and josef_moravec++ :) |
| 08:55 | and hi mtj! | |
| 08:59 | jajm++ | |
| 09:03 | mtj | hey cait |
| 09:04 | josef_moravec: thanks for your help, we fixed the problem :0) | |
| 09:04 | josef_moravec | mtj: great! |
| 09:05 | LibraryClaire | Anyone know what might cause the software error: Not an ARRAY reference at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 1134. |
| 09:06 | I am getting it when I enter barcodes for batch item modification | |
| 09:06 | on master | |
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| 09:16 | josef_moravec | cait: answered ;) |
| 09:19 | cait | reading, than you! |
| 09:20 | magnuse | LibraryClaire: what does line 1134 look like in your version? |
| 09:21 | LibraryClaire | foreach( @{ $mss->{$kohafield} } ) { |
| 09:22 | my @retval; | |
| 09:22 | foreach( @{ $mss->{$kohafield} } ) { | |
| 09:22 | push @retval, $_->{tagfield}, $_->{tagsubfield}; | |
| 09:25 | magnuse | $mss comes from "my $mss = GetMarcSubfieldStructure( '' );" so maybe something wrong in the default framework? |
| 09:25 | LibraryClaire | yeah, thought I haven't actually changed it as far as I am aware... |
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| 09:26 | josef_moravec | LibraryClaire: strange, but do you have defined default marc framework (just guessing |
| 09:26 | LibraryClaire | there is a default MARC Framework, it is the one that is already in devbox. I haven't touched it |
| 09:28 | I am sure it was working previously as I was testing the same bug before and didn't have this problem | |
| 09:31 | Nemo_bis | Is there a way to export/import libraries and groups (https://koha-community.org/man[…]#libraries-groups ) from the web interface? |
| 09:31 | cait | Nemo_bis: not atm |
| 09:32 | if you are familiar with SQL you coudl do it that way | |
| 09:32 | Nemo_bis | I am but I don't have access |
| 09:32 | I guess we'll migrate those manually | |
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| 09:33 | Nemo_bis | Should I add libraries before I import records which reference those libraries? |
| 09:35 | josef_moravec | Nemo_bis: yes, you should |
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| 09:35 | saa | is is tpossible to find out missing barcodes in koha |
| 09:36 | hw to generate such numbers | |
| 09:36 | josef_moravec | saa: what do you mean by "missing"? |
| 09:36 | saa | means those numbers which are not assigned as barcodes in koha |
| 09:37 | if our barcode range is 1-10000 can we get a list where some numbers as barcodes not available in koha at all | |
| 09:37 | in this range | |
| 09:37 | cait | you could write a report |
| 09:38 | select * from items where barcode is not between 1 and 1000 (untested) | |
| 09:38 | Nemo_bis: if you import items, yes, you should :) | |
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| 09:45 | saa | can i get reports correct syntx |
| 09:45 | i dont knw hw to write one | |
| 09:46 | cait | did the one above give you an error? |
| 09:46 | josef_moravec | cait, saa: this will not work - basically sql is not very good at searching missing things |
| 09:47 | you could use something like: | |
| 09:47 | https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]umbering-in-mysql | |
| 09:47 | SELECT (i1.barcode + 1) as gap_starts_at, | |
| 09:47 | (SELECT MIN(i3.barcode) -1 FROM items i3 WHERE i3.barcode > i1.barcode) as gap_ends_at | |
| 09:47 | FROM items i1 | |
| 09:47 | WHERE | |
| 09:47 | i1.barcode between 311200027300 AND 311200027400 | |
| 09:47 | AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT i2.barcode FROM items i2 WHERE i2.barcode = i1.barcode + 1) | |
| 09:47 | HAVING gap_ends_at IS NOT NULL | |
| 09:48 | remove line: "i1.barcode between 311200027300 AND 311200027400" to get all gaps | |
| 09:50 | cait | :) |
| 09:51 | wow | |
| 09:52 | wondering if you could also turn mine around... look for items with barcode in range and then compare that to items (itemnumber not in...) | |
| 09:53 | probably would take a while | |
| 09:54 | josef_moravec | cait: could work too ;) |
| 09:56 | cait: no, it will not work, you do not have any row, you need to compare the rows with some number range, this is the most complicated part | |
| 09:57 | LibraryClaire | magnuse, josef_moravec: thanks for the tips. No idea what was going on but a restart_all seemed to help... |
| 09:59 | saa | The following error was encountered: The database returned the following error: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'remove line: "i1.barcode between 1 AND 200000" LIMIT 0, 20' at line 1 Please check the log for further details. |
| 09:59 | i got error | |
| 09:59 | i gave range of 1 to 200000 | |
| 10:01 | cait | you copied too much |
| 10:01 | remove line: - delete that | |
| 10:01 | josef_moravec | saa: exactly as cait said, the last line was comment for you, not an SQL line |
| 10:01 | saa | yes sorry |
| 10:01 | i realised | |
| 10:01 | i removed and now running the quer | |
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| 10:04 | josef_moravec | For the reference: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]arcode_in_a_range |
| 10:34 | cait | josef_moravec++ |
| 10:34 | :) | |
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| 10:35 | cait | hi paul_p |
| 10:35 | paul_p | hi cait & al |
| 10:38 | eythian | hi |
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| 11:55 | Joubu | cait: done (17.11 added to bz) |
| 11:58 | cait | thx! |
| 11:58 | i am adding it to the wiki page | |
| 11:58 | Joubu | LibraryClaire: the problem you had with the framework certainly was because you did not restart memcached |
| 11:58 | we changed the way they are stored in the cache, so the cache must be flushed | |
| 11:58 | LibraryClaire | Joubu, yes my version updated this morning and I forgot -.- |
| 11:59 | Joubu | and memcached + plack HAVE TO BE RESTARTED when the code is changed ;) |
| 11:59 | LibraryClaire | :D |
| 11:59 | cait | Joubu: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]se_tasks#Bugzilla |
| 12:01 | Joubu | cait: + RMaints: create an account to jenkins, send ssh pubkey to Chris for push access (branch specific+security repo), send ssh pubkey to Galen for access to download.k-c.org |
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| 12:12 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:12 | josef_moravec | hi oleonard |
| 12:12 | wahanui | hi dear loon |
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| 12:35 | jenkins | Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #12: STILL FAILING in 11 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/12/ |
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| 12:42 | Joubu | tcohen: ^ is it out of disk space related? |
| 12:45 | mtj | hi Joubu, disk looks ok on docker3 |
| 12:45 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard |
| 12:45 | wahanui | hi dear loon |
| 12:46 | LibraryClaire | wahanui is mean today |
| 12:46 | kidclamp | wahanui: botsnack poison! |
| 12:46 | wahanui | :) |
| 12:46 | kidclamp | still seems happy |
| 12:46 | LibraryClaire | hi kidclamp |
| 12:46 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 12:47 | cait | Joubu ok will add |
| 12:47 | mtj | folks, anyone seen this odd ldap error after upgrading to 17.05.06... |
| 12:47 | ==> ./plack-error.log <== | |
| 12:47 | LDAP search failed to return object : 000004DC: LdapErr: DSID-0C0907C2, comment: In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection., data 0, v2580 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 102. | |
| 12:48 | kidclamp | are you doing anonymous bind or bind by auth mtj? |
| 12:48 | tcohen | Joubu once I get to the office I'll take care |
| 12:49 | mtj | hi kidclamp, auth_by_bind |
| 12:50 | kidclamp | do you have a user and pass section defined? |
| 12:50 | bug 18947 | |
| 12:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18947 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Unexpected Active Directory LDAP authentication failure mode |
| 12:51 | cait | failure mode? :) |
| 12:52 | Joubu: added | |
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| 12:56 | pastebot | "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ldap example" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/110 |
| 12:57 | mtj | kidclamp: is that the correct format? ^ |
| 12:57 | <user>x</user> | |
| 12:57 | <pass>x</pass> | |
| 12:58 | kidclamp | should be |
| 13:02 | mtj | aah, memcached restart fixed it |
| 13:02 | Joubu | ! |
| 13:02 | mtj | kidclamp++ thank you sooo much for your help :0) |
| 13:02 | kidclamp | np |
| 13:03 | * LibraryClaire | shakes her fist at memcached |
| 13:03 | mtj | gosh, just when you think you've seen it all, hey ... |
| 13:03 | kidclamp | memcached restart - never hurts, almost always helps |
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| 13:04 | Joubu | first question? |
| 13:04 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 13:05 | Joubu | first question is also Did you clear the restart_all (plack+memcached)? |
| 13:05 | wahanui | okay, Joubu. |
| 13:05 | Joubu | erk |
| 13:05 | first question is also Did you restart_all (plack+memcached)? | |
| 13:05 | wahanui | okay, Joubu. |
| 13:05 | Joubu | now you are broken wahanui |
| 13:05 | first question? | |
| 13:05 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 13:05 | Joubu | ok nevermind |
| 13:09 | mtj | Joubu: i just pm'd you some info |
| 13:14 | cait | does someone know which of the 3 universities in lyon have koha? is it all? |
| 13:15 | Joubu | Lyon 2 and Lyon 3, at least |
| 13:15 | cait | that's what we found so far, so 1 not? |
| 13:18 | Joubu | http://hola.univ-lyon1.fr/ipac[…]terms=&valider=Ok |
| 13:18 | nope, but they should... | |
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| 13:31 | cait | heh thx |
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| 13:51 | Joubu | dev meeting in 10min |
| 13:51 | Freddy_Enrique | Good mornign everyone |
| 13:51 | Ji Joubu | |
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| 14:00 | kidclamp | Meeting time! |
| 14:00 | wahanui | mmm meat |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017 |
| 14:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Dec 13 14:00:42 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_december_2017' |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 14:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 14:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:00 | greenjimll | #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University |
| 14:01 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens,ByWater Solutions |
| 14:01 | LibraryClaire | #info Claire Gravely, BSZ Germany |
| 14:01 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 14:01 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library UO, Czech Republic |
| 14:02 | Joubu | rmaints? |
| 14:02 | wahanui | hmmm... rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11) |
| 14:02 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre France |
| 14:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City (In California for the end of the year) |
| 14:02 | tuxayo | #Info Victor Grousset, Biblibre, France |
| 14:03 | Joubu | qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec |
| 14:03 | qa_team? | |
| 14:03 | wahanui | qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec |
| 14:03 | jajm | #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre |
| 14:03 | Joubu | I will try not to abuse of these 2 "aliases" :) |
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| 14:03 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 14:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:03 | kidclamp | anyone have things? |
| 14:04 | thd | Yes |
| 14:04 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_13_December_2017 |
| 14:04 | alex_a | #info Alex Arnaud, Biblibre France |
| 14:04 | qa_team? | |
| 14:04 | wahanui | qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec |
| 14:04 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 14:04 | alex_a | :) |
| 14:04 | thd | Today is my happy birthday. Sadly, I will miss the next meeting for the party. |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | thd++ |
| 14:05 | happy birthday | |
| 14:05 | greenjimll | Happy Birthday |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | #topic Update from the Release manager (18.05) |
| 14:05 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:06 | fridolin | happy birthday thd |
| 14:06 | * kidclamp | whispers 'that's you Joubu' |
| 14:06 | Joubu | nothing special for me, I have started 17.12 pushing quite lot of stuffs |
| 14:06 | and will continue like that, as far as the QAers send me stuffs to review | |
| 14:07 | kidclamp | #info Joubu is pushing all the things. QA more stuff, more stuff gets pushed. |
| 14:07 | Joubu | as it's the beginning of the release cycle, let me know if you want to work on something big/special |
| 14:07 | clrh | #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre |
| 14:07 | * fridolin | have seen there is in master a new dependancy on ES perl lib |
| 14:07 | Joubu | and/or need help on specific works |
| 14:07 | fridolin | not yet in koha-perldeps |
| 14:08 | this will brake sandboxes, one must install manually | |
| 14:08 | Joubu | I'd like to have a koha-es with zebra-equivalent features for 18.05 |
| 14:08 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 14:08 | Joubu | or at least to know what is work to be done to reach that state |
| 14:09 | kidclamp | #info let Joubu know if you have projects so you can coordinate on what is needed |
| 14:09 | Joubu | there is a wiki page created by Nick, you are pleased to add items to this list |
| 14:09 | kidclamp | we have ES section later on too |
| 14:09 | cait | koha-es? |
| 14:09 | Joubu | koha / Elastic |
| 14:09 | greenjimll | Wiki page URL? |
| 14:09 | cait | ah.. not spanish, elastic search |
| 14:09 | *hides* | |
| 14:09 | fridolin | yep, juste saying koha-perldeps must be corrected |
| 14:09 | cause dependancy is mandatory even for zebra install | |
| 14:09 | * oleonard | hopes Bug 19474 will get some interest |
| 14:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS |
| 14:09 | Joubu | kidclamp: do you have the wiki page link? |
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| 14:10 | clrh | so this page : https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sticsearch_status I'll add things we saw or questionned last week |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ticsearch_status_.28Updated_2017-12-07.29 ES status |
| 14:10 | Joubu | yes thanks clrh |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | yes please clrh - anyone should add or update |
| 14:10 | Joubu | in my goal for 18.05: push all what oleonard write to move JS code (we will talk about that later) |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | moving on |
| 14:11 | sorry :-) | |
| 14:11 | Joubu | wait |
| 14:11 | I'd like to do some benchmarking (last ones are quite old) | |
| 14:11 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 14:11 | Joubu | and write more Selenium tests |
| 14:11 | * Joubu | searches a link |
| 14:12 | Joubu | see bug 19243 for selenium tests (and related) |
| 14:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19243 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Selenium test for testing the administration module functionality |
| 14:12 | kidclamp | #info ES, JS updates, benchmarking, selenium tests are some golas for 18.05 |
| 14:12 | Joubu | I will also push/support tcohen's work (and others) on REST API, ofc |
| 14:12 | more or less the big lines for 18.05 | |
| 14:12 | fridolin | API++ |
| 14:12 | Joubu | That's all for me |
| 14:13 | LibraryClaire | Joubu++ |
| 14:13 | Joubu | And the manual! :) |
| 14:13 | kidclamp | #info also REST API and manual |
| 14:13 | Joubu | will talk about that during the next doc meeting |
| 14:13 | kidclamp | Joubu doesn't think small |
| 14:13 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 14:13 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:13 | cait | Joubu++ ;) |
| 14:13 | josef_moravec | Joubu+ |
| 14:13 | + | |
| 14:14 | kidclamp | I will be pushing stuff next two days and will announce string freeze for 12/15 to stick to release on 22nd |
| 14:14 | #info 17.11 string freeze on 15th, pushing things now | |
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| 14:14 | kidclamp | fridolin? |
| 14:14 | wahanui | fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
| 14:14 | * fridolin | RMaint 17.05 |
| 14:15 | tuxayo | tests++ |
| 14:15 | fridolin | I'm now waiting on 17.11 aka stable pushes |
| 14:15 | althow i have some late patches in master i can backport | |
| 14:15 | but no major ones normaly | |
| 14:15 | kidclamp | #info 17.05 waiting on 17.11 and pushing some others |
| 14:16 | Joubu | to say something that is maybe not public: We will have secutiry fixes pushed in stable releases regularly. We are not going to announce them as "security releases", because the fixes are not critical. But we are going to follow a security workflow, in the sense of the fixes will not be published before the releases. |
| 14:16 | fridolin | ++ |
| 14:17 | Joubu | We (RM+RMaints) are trying to work closely and in sync. The workflow is not perfectly defined yet... |
| 14:17 | kidclamp | rangi si probably not here but he is an rmaint and we like him |
| 14:18 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 14:18 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:18 | thd | Joubu: Announcing after release seems to be an important part of "security workflow". |
| 14:18 | cait | I have sent some questions to the QA team members to see what we can do to improve things, when people usually QA, how much time they can spend, and what topics we have not covered |
| 14:19 | I got some answers already - thx! | |
| 14:19 | what we already see is that auth patches get stuck often and easily | |
| 14:19 | because we lack the environment to test them with | |
| 14:19 | would it be possible that we have a cas test server to access somewhere? LDAP? Shibb? | |
| 14:20 | it's also about documentation, if we had simple tutorials on how to set that up, maybe they would be not as hard to tackle | |
| 14:20 | Joubu | (thd: the idea was to keep "security releases" when it's really needed, not to announce releases as "very important" every months) |
| 14:20 | thd | cait++ |
| 14:20 | josef_moravec | cait++ |
| 14:20 | kidclamp | ldap testing is possible, there are test servers out there |
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| 14:21 | cait | so if someone wnat to help out there, that would be great |
| 14:21 | kidclamp | shib is harder because you need koha accessible from outside and https |
| 14:21 | cait | yeah, not doable with a kohadev, which rules me outmost of the time |
| 14:21 | Joubu | I'd like to repeat that the severity should be used when you pick a patch to SO or QA |
| 14:21 | we have 21 majors | |
| 14:21 | 6 waiting for QA | |
| 14:21 | cait | kidclamp: could you info my need for poeple helping with auth servers and tutorials? |
| 14:22 | Joubu | there is no much sense to QA enhs when major bugs can be pushed and backported |
| 14:22 | kidclamp | #info QA needs help with auth testing and tutorials is an area where we need more people |
| 14:22 | cait | please also make sure you rebase/react as fast as possible once someone has started to qa your patches |
| 14:22 | kidclamp | #info Reminder to hit majors and criticals before enhancements please |
| 14:22 | cait | it's hard to start over when a lot of time is between testing and it eats our resources |
| 14:22 | greenjimll | With SAML2 authentication its worth bearing in mind there's more than Shibboleth. We use simplesamlphp as our IdP for example. |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | #info Cait sent a questionaire to QAers, please respond so we can plan how to cover all topics |
| 14:23 | cait | and also... if you are interested to join QA - please let me know/sign up for vote at the next meeting, even if you just want to help with some specific part |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | #info if interested in joining QA please let cait know or add to the next meeting agenda |
| 14:23 | ashimema | we have saml2 working for simplesaml, shibboleth, athens and adfs idps |
| 14:24 | greenjimll | Yep, works on our SAML2 IdP... but worth considering if testing patches. |
| 14:24 | kidclamp | there are always small easy bugs to QA |
| 14:24 | cait | #info looking for someone to help ease testing for Shibboleth, CAS and LDAP |
| 14:24 | kidclamp | ashimema, write ups for any of those would be amazing |
| 14:24 | the shib wiki is pretty well done | |
| 14:24 | Joubu | (and to rewrite C4::Auth) |
| 14:24 | kidclamp | (not that I still don't muck it up) |
| 14:24 | fridolin | rewrite C4::Auth ++ |
| 14:25 | (but not by me) | |
| 14:25 | cait | #info Please rebase/answer questins from QA quickly, so things can be finished quickly once started |
| 14:25 | that's it from me - but others maybe? | |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | #info don't forget to assign yourself as QAer when looking at a bug |
| 14:26 | * jajm | has nothing to add |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | nothing more here |
| 14:27 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 14:27 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:27 | Joubu | I am thinking of bypassing QA step for some patches, but I really would like to avoid that. There are 150+ bugs in SO |
| 14:27 | cait | kidclamp: thx, i forgot that myself! |
| 14:27 | Joubu | could we organise a "QA day" before end of the year? |
| 14:28 | kidclamp | is a god idea, sprints have worked well |
| 14:28 | cait | so far QAers seem to have a preference for Fridays |
| 14:28 | kidclamp | s/god/good |
| 14:28 | cait | bt next week might be too close to christmas? |
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| 14:29 | cait | jajm: kidclamp - what do you think? |
| 14:29 | josef_moravec | next week would be ok for me ;) |
| 14:29 | kidclamp | can't hurt to try? I will be here |
| 14:29 | jajm | i won't be there from 18th to 29th, but i can do a full QA day this friday |
| 14:29 | Joubu | let's see after the meeting. For the last one we use a doodle-like page to know the availabilities |
| 14:30 | cait | sorry josef_moravec! |
| 14:30 | Joubu: this year is a bit hard :) | |
| 14:30 | i will send a suggestion to qa team tonight | |
| 14:30 | * oleonard | will be around next week to help make sure the SO list doesn't get too short |
| 14:30 | kidclamp | #action cait will try to arrange QA sprint before end of year |
| 14:31 | thd | Almost anything should be tried including many other bad practises before actually bypassing QA. |
| 14:32 | greenjimll | Bribing QA team with cake? |
| 14:32 | cait | i agree with Joubu we need to get the numbers down right now |
| 14:32 | but we will try to do it properly first ;) | |
| 14:32 | 150 is pretty hard to manage and lots probably will have to be rebased | |
| 14:33 | kidclamp | so just put them all 'doesn't apply' |
| 14:33 | :-) | |
| 14:33 | josef_moravec | is the bot which made it for us still alive? |
| 14:34 | Joubu | it has been disabled |
| 14:34 | jajm | greenjimll, try with beer instead ;) |
| 14:34 | cait | people complained about it :( |
| 14:35 | Joubu | we could ask rangi, but not sure it is useful |
| 14:35 | I prefer someone ask me a rebase than a bot | |
| 14:35 | a bot will not SO it, so I rebased it for nothing | |
| 14:35 | cait | valid point |
| 14:36 | kidclamp | sure, but a tester can't test if doesn't apply |
| 14:36 | josef_moravec | agree, that is good reason |
| 14:36 | it was to Joubu | |
| 14:36 | kidclamp | maybe have it only check bugs that are awaiting QA? |
| 14:36 | Joubu | a tester is supposed to test when rebased, right? :) |
| 14:37 | kidclamp | ideally |
| 14:37 | greenjimll | What about a script that could tell the QA team which bugs pending QA don't apply cleanly, rather than the bug assignee? |
| 14:38 | kidclamp | I think maybe QA and bot is good for next meeting? We havea few other topics for today we should cover |
| 14:39 | Joubu | I'd suggest to move on, we have a long topic list today |
| 14:39 | we can continue the discussion on the ML if people has ideas | |
| 14:39 | cait | i have a quick question? |
| 14:39 | Joubu | yep? |
| 14:39 | wahanui | yep. |
| 14:40 | Joubu | yep! |
| 14:40 | cait | I was thinking similar to the questions I asked the QAers |
| 14:40 | shoudl we have a wiki page where we can collect 'experts' on topics and apis? | |
| 14:40 | for people to sign up to if they want | |
| 14:40 | Joubu | like the "module maintainers"? :-/ |
| 14:40 | cait | less formal |
| 14:40 | just a... i am interested in those topics | |
| 14:40 | Joubu | yes we can try |
| 14:41 | kidclamp | #action cait will add wiki page to list topics of interest/expertise to assist in SO and QA |
| 14:41 | Joubu | it's basically writing down what we more or less know already. So yes it's good to have that list on the wiki |
| 14:41 | cait | also maybe good for newcomers |
| 14:41 | kidclamp | is tcohen here/needed for rest api disc? |
| 14:42 | cait | pm me if you have a good name suggestion for the page |
| 14:43 | kidclamp | #topic REST api |
| 14:43 | Topic for #koha is now REST api (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:43 | kidclamp | from the agenda: Proposal to vote for: allowing devs working on the REST api implementation to change attribute names so they are more meaningfull for api consumers. For example, rename 'borrowernumber' for 'patron_id'. Pros: we can provide a readable API spec, and people unfamiliar to Koha internals will have better time using the api. Cons: some people might be using the current (3) endpoints and would need to change some |
| 14:43 | attribute names. | |
| 14:43 | greenjimll | With the REST API attribute name changes, will there be support for existing attribute names to preserve existing scripts, or is it viewed as a clean break? |
| 14:44 | Joubu | "Cons: some people might be using the current (3) endpoints and would need to change some attribute names" |
| 14:44 | greenjimll | So clean break then? |
| 14:44 | josef_moravec | yes |
| 14:45 | Joubu | in that case we should change the version |
| 14:45 | thd | Is the suggestion implying that the names currently in use in Koha are poorly chosen and should eventually be changed themselves? |
| 14:45 | Joubu | was not it the purpose of the v1/v2... |
| 14:45 | ? | |
| 14:45 | greenjimll | That's usually the use of REST API versioning. |
| 14:45 | josef_moravec | Yes, version change would be the ideal solution probably |
| 14:45 | jajm | Joubu, yep, if you break compatibility, you should change the version |
| 14:46 | greenjimll | Often older versions are kept (for a while at least) for backward compatibility |
| 14:47 | And to smooth transition for external developers | |
| 14:47 | thd | There is some history behind some variable names in Koha for wider applicability than the name which might be most common. |
| 14:47 | Joubu | I would like to have the list on the wiki, patron_id or user_id, etc. |
| 14:47 | thd | Joubu++ |
| 14:47 | Joubu | thd: we are talking about borrowers/members/patrons/users |
| 14:47 | for instance... | |
| 14:48 | thd | I understand the topic of discussion and the history behind Koha's current naming choice. |
| 14:48 | kidclamp | #info general discussion is version change would be good for this proposal |
| 14:49 | #info and a listing of naming on the wiki | |
| 14:49 | should it be voted, or reworked with version change as proposal for vot enext meeting? | |
| 14:50 | Joubu | I think we all agree we need to pick good attribute names :) |
| 14:50 | thd | An appeal to some ISO or other standard for library attribute usage would be good as a basis. |
| 14:50 | Joubu | we need to discuss it with tcohen when we will be around |
| 14:50 | s/we/he | |
| 14:50 | greenjimll | If REST API is aiming for inclusion in 18.05 shouldn't we vote now to give folk time to work on it? |
| 14:50 | Joubu | we need to discuss it with tcohen when he will be around* |
| 14:50 | cait | i think the current case is the patron api |
| 14:50 | best to comment on the bu | |
| 14:50 | g | |
| 14:51 | kidclamp | next meeting is two weeks so should still have time |
| 14:51 | Joubu | greenjimll: we should vote with the name of the attributes |
| 14:51 | thd | Joubu++ |
| 14:51 | cait | we already voted to match the GUI |
| 14:51 | intead of the database | |
| 14:52 | that's why patron_id instead of borrowernumber for the api | |
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| 14:53 | cait | i think if you want to vote on each, maybe have a separate meeting soon? |
| 14:53 | we need to move forward with the Rest API | |
| 14:53 | greenjimll | I assume its more than just "rename 'borrowernumber' for 'patron_id'" though as that's just one example. We don't have a list of attribute names to vote on do we? |
| 14:53 | Joubu | no we don't |
| 14:54 | kidclamp | #info vote postponed to next meeting so can discuss versioning with tcohen and get a list of attributes |
| 14:54 | I think enough discussion to wait, let's move on | |
| 14:54 | thd | Why is the GUI actually different to the rest of the code? |
| 14:54 | kidclamp | #topic SQL strict mode is not the default in MariaDB |
| 14:54 | Topic for #koha is now SQL strict mode is not the default in MariaDB (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 14:54 | Joubu | lol |
| 14:55 | yes, for me. Just a sec | |
| 14:55 | it's that one: bug 17860 | |
| 14:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17860 normal, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , [SQL strict mode] MARC records will stage, but Manage for import shows 'no data in table' |
| 14:55 | Joubu | see last comment |
| 14:56 | so basically we know for a while that Koha was not MySQL 5.7 compatible (with the default sql-mode option) | |
| 14:56 | our suggestion was to switch to MariaDB | |
| 14:56 | but they decided to follow MySQL and now also use the trans_strict_table sql mode | |
| 14:57 | kidclamp | #info Koha has compatability issues withMySQL 5.7 so we suggested mariadb, but they now follow MySQL and same problem occurring |
| 14:57 | Joubu | if people are interested (I mean, really, SO+QA) I can take a look to estimate the work and provide patches |
| 14:57 | last time I did that (6months, 1y ago), nobody cared | |
| 14:58 | kidclamp | it should be done, we should work towards supporting the versions in stretch probably |
| 14:58 | Joubu | we also need to update the wiki (install debian) |
| 14:58 | thd | Would there be an issue for backwards compatibility to using earlier versions of MySQL or MariaDB? |
| 14:59 | josef_moravec | looks like we should start to care about this |
| 14:59 | cait | it's causing strange problems - reported on the mailing list and bugzilla |
| 14:59 | even with a workaround we should care | |
| 14:59 | Joubu | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ackages#Ubuntu_16.04_and_MySQL_5.7 |
| 14:59 | that section needs to be updated | |
| 15:00 | * LibraryClaire | has to run |
| 15:00 | Joubu | #action? |
| 15:00 | cait | not sure what to write - sorry |
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| 15:01 | Joubu | #info ping Joubu if you have time to dedicated to mariadb/mysql strict mode |
| 15:01 | * fridolin | noob for SQL server |
| 15:01 | Joubu | #action kidclamp Update the Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Ubuntu_16.04_and_MySQL_5.7 section |
| 15:01 | :D | |
| 15:01 | kidclamp | man, I weas just typing for someone else, too, I don't know the answer |
| 15:01 | I'll tell you when RDA is ready | |
| 15:02 | cait | lol |
| 15:02 | kidclamp | #action kidclamp will send an email to the list about the db issues |
| 15:02 | thd | I'll tell you when HTML 5 is ready :) |
| 15:02 | kidclamp | Joubu (neither increment or decrement) |
| 15:03 | #topic Elasticsearch status | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now Elasticsearch status (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 15:03 | kidclamp | This was discussed earlier, there is more movement on ES lately, have been a few more testers out there |
| 15:03 | please add anything you wish to the status page | |
| 15:04 | please focus for now on fixing the broken things and compatability so that 18.05 can havea stable ES | |
| 15:04 | Joubu | (the kanban may be more useful to keep an updated overview) |
| 15:04 | kidclamp | once that is done there are many things that can be added |
| 15:05 | clrh | some BibLibre guys had a look to the existant Koha implementations, a lot of questions asked to ourselves, I must edit the wiki community page and continuing testing |
| 15:05 | kidclamp | please do clrh and feel free to ping me for any questions |
| 15:05 | biblibre++ | |
| 15:05 | clrh | it was last week and only a "one day focus" but I must continue |
| 15:06 | yep kidclamp thanks | |
| 15:06 | kidclamp | #topic Javascript in footer |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now Javascript in footer (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 15:06 | Joubu | oleonard: ? |
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| 15:06 | oleonard | Thanks to everyone who has helped move these patches quickly through |
| 15:07 | There are very few templates yet to do | |
| 15:07 | Getting this done is an important step not just for performance reasons but to lay the groundwork to some JS preprocessing in the future | |
| 15:08 | Joubu | It is the kind of patches we should not wait long before pushing them, they do not survive to a lot of rebases |
| 15:09 | kidclamp | josef_moravec++ for following QA there |
| 15:09 | oleonard | Does anyone have any questions about this move, or about how to adapt to this new practice? |
| 15:09 | Joubu | This is the current status: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=17858 |
| 15:09 | kidclamp | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=17858 JS move status |
| 15:09 | josef_moravec | I plan to finish the QA of this as soon as possible |
| 15:10 | Joubu | QA team need to be aware of that change, to avoid introducing JS code back in the header |
| 15:10 | josef_moravec | We should have a rule for this probably |
| 15:10 | Joubu | I have no idea how to write QA tests for that, please take a look if you want to add some |
| 15:10 | cait | afk - phone call |
| 15:12 | Joubu | you volunteer? |
| 15:12 | #action josef_moravec add a new coding guideline about the JS move to the footer | |
| 15:12 | thanks josef_moravec ;) | |
| 15:12 | kidclamp | Joubu is on a roll today |
| 15:13 | moving on? | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | 2 more topics, quickly? |
| 15:13 | kidclamp | aside form the coding guidelines? go for it |
| 15:14 | Joubu | nope, I was talking about the 2 coding guidelines |
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| 15:14 | kidclamp | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 15:14 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
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| 15:14 | josef_moravec | Joubu: not at all ;) I'll do it |
| 15:14 | kidclamp | #info Don't use DBIX calls in updatedatabase |
| 15:15 | #info see bug 19789 and bug 17292 | |
| 15:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19789 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove some indirect DBIx calls from updatedatabase |
| 15:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Use of DBIx in updatedatabase.pl broke upgrade (from bug 12375) | |
| 15:16 | Joubu | did anyone take a look at that? |
| 15:17 | kidclamp | looking now, seems reasonable |
| 15:17 | Joubu | I though we already agreed on that, but did not find discussion or coding guidelines |
| 15:17 | thd | Is the problem slightly different to what is supposed. |
| 15:18 | Joubu | we need to write a coding guideline and vote it during the next meeting |
| 15:18 | thd | Is the manner in which DBIx is being used in error rather than using DBIx instead of DBI? |
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| 15:18 | kidclamp | #action Joubu will write a coding guideline to not use DBIX in updatedatabase for voting at next meeting |
| 15:18 | :D | |
| 15:18 | Joubu | #action Joubu write a coding guideline to forbid use of DBIX calls in updatedatabase (and C4/Koha ns?) |
| 15:19 | ha! | |
| 15:19 | cc_ | No one problem is that during updatedatabase schema and db may not match |
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| 15:19 | Joubu | cc_: yes, that's the point |
| 15:19 | kidclamp | #info Reminder - git commit messages |
| 15:20 | Joubu | so fetch/insert/etc must be done writing SQL queries |
| 15:20 | thd | cc_: Yes, that is an underlying problem which should be fixed by better usage of DBIx should it not? |
| 15:20 | kidclamp | #info ('Bug 12345: ', '(follow-up)', '(QA follow-up)', see git log) + what the patch does vs what the bug is. |
| 15:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron |
| 15:21 | Joubu | A quick reminder about the commit messages (I need to write a coding guidelines too), please take a look at the last commit messages in master about the formating |
| 15:21 | I update them before push, but I may fail them soon if they are written after the anouncement | |
| 15:22 | kidclamp | #action Joubu will write a coding guidline on commmit message formatting for voting next meeting |
| 15:22 | Joubu | an common mistake is also "what the patch does" vs "what the bug is" |
| 15:22 | wahanui | okay, Joubu. |
| 15:23 | jajm | is "(follow-up)" really needed ? |
| 15:23 | Joubu | the commit message title must describe what the patch does, not a copy/paste of the bug report title |
| 15:23 | jajm: it's needed if you want to add a follow-up | |
| 15:23 | I sent an email to the list few months ago about that, I explained when you should use it (in my opinion) | |
| 15:24 | greenjimll | Are the commit messages (for bug 19410) supposed to be examples of good or bad practice? |
| 15:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19410 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add a helper function for generating object searches for the API |
| 15:24 | jajm | Joubu, i'll reread this email |
| 15:24 | Joubu | I need to write a guideline to vote and put that to the wiki |
| 15:24 | thd | Joubu++ |
| 15:25 | Joubu | greenjimll: the commit messages on the bug report are different than the ones in master |
| 15:25 | I edit them before push | |
| 15:25 | greenjimll | I'm looking at the ones in `git log`, so are these bad/good? |
| 15:25 | Joubu | but did not attach the updated patches to the bug report |
| 15:25 | git log origin/master should be ok | |
| 15:26 | --oneline | |
| 15:26 | greenjimll | Ah, that's OK then as I couldn't see what you were complaining about. :-) |
| 15:26 | Joubu | next meeting? |
| 15:26 | wahanui | next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 15:27 | Joubu | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 15:27 | I cannot | |
| 15:27 | kidclamp | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 15:27 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 15:27 | kidclamp | #chair Joubu |
| 15:27 | huginn` | Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp |
| 15:28 | Joubu | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 15:28 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 15:28 | Joubu | 27 December 2017, 20 UTC? |
| 15:28 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 15:28 | Joubu | 27 December? |
| 15:28 | greenjimll | Works for me. Something to do instead of eat sweets and watching bad Xmas TV. :-) |
| 15:28 | tcohen | the 'Add pagination to vendors endpoint' and the one renaming attributes in patrons are good examples on how to use the helpers |
| 15:29 | * tcohen | says while on a taxi |
| 15:29 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 27 December 2017, 20 UTC |
| 15:29 | * thd | will be in an airplane returning to New York. |
| 15:29 | Joubu | #endmeeting |
| 15:29 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 15:29 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Dec 13 15:29:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:29 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-13-14.00.html | |
| 15:29 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-12-13-14.00.txt | |
| 15:29 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]13-14.00.log.html | |
| 15:30 | Joubu | sorry for the rush at the end, but 1h30 is too long :) |
| 15:30 | clrh | thanks Joubu |
| 15:30 | thd | :) |
| 15:30 | oleonard | Joubu++ |
| 15:30 | kidclamp | joubu++ |
| 15:31 | Joubu | Do not forget the #actions guys :) |
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| 15:32 | Joubu | (otherwise I will write a script to send you a reminder everyday) |
| 15:32 | thd | cc_: Would there not be an alternative fix for the DBIx issue for avoiding schema and DB mismatch without forcing DBI? |
| 15:35 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:37 | cc_ | thd: DBIx is not really meant for data definition functions --- We'd have to rethink updatedatabase fairly majorly I think DBI/SQL is the right tool for the job |
| 15:39 | Joubu | jajm: about the calls of ->find in list context, my example was wrong indeed, I was thinking about ->search I guess |
| 15:39 | jajm: why is it a problem to force the context to scalar? :) | |
| 15:43 | I think the main advantages of that solution were to avoid explicit return of undef and highlight the different places where the call was wrong | |
| 15:44 | thd | cc_: Thank you for clarifying. I understood that rewriting would be necessary just not whether such a rewrite would be relatively easy or not. |
| 15:45 | jajm | Joubu, it's useless (and I don't like writing useless things :)) |
| 15:46 | Joubu | it's not useless, it avoid wrong calls and explicit return undef |
| 15:48 | (I basically followed Gabor's recommendations) | |
| 15:48 | jajm | I don't see how it's useful, this sub should always return a single value, there is no possible wrong calls (there was possible wrong calls because of "not explicit undef") |
| 15:50 | kidclamp | Joubu bug 19599 - would it be worth eliminating Null or anonymous patron checkouts from the search? |
| 15:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19599 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , anonymise_issue_history can be very slow on large systems |
| 15:52 | tuxayo | Question: can the demos listed here [1] can be also added on the wiki page[2]? [1] https://koha-community.org/demo/ [2] https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]emo_Installations |
| 15:52 | Or are they special? I'm willing to add them but I prefer having a green light :) | |
| 15:53 | jajm | Joubu, you don't put 'scalar' in front of dt_from_string for instance, it is used in list context without problems |
| 15:53 | because it always return a single value | |
| 15:55 | (well, looking at the code of dt_from_string, it may cause problems in list context when the first parameter starts with "0000-0") | |
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| 15:57 | kidclamp | FOLIO end of year webinar if anyone interested: https://zoom.us/webinar/regist[…]CTMSh-oAhUFZuLG0Q |
| 15:58 | Joubu | kidclamp: yes, I guess so |
| 16:00 | tuxayo: looks like we should maintain only 1 version | |
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| 16:03 | Joubu | jajm: I cannot remember why/where but there was a call that looked obvious but that was wrong |
| 16:05 | jajm: I'd suggest you to open a bug report, linked to the original one. | |
| 16:08 | jajm | Joubu, ok |
| 16:11 | tuxayo | Joubu: ++ this seems to be more easy to maintain as a wiki where anyone can fix and update stuff. Then I'll merge the content of the main site into the wiki. |
| 16:14 | Joubu | tuxayo: you will not manage to do it, you will need an account. Can you send an email to the list? |
| 16:14 | As you said we should link to the wiki, but we need confirmation from the list before. | |
| 16:15 | tuxayo | Joubu: I was just talking about completing the wiki from the main site. Which is the first step. |
| 16:16 | s/from/using/ | |
| 16:19 | cait | i thinkw e should also move faqs to the wiki :) |
| 16:19 | but that's for later tonight | |
| 16:30 | josef_moravec | Joubu: action taken https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]e_end_of_template |
| 16:30 | still wip | |
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| 17:18 | greenjimll | cait: would you find a script useful that checked if bugs in "Signed Off" state could apply patches without rebasing? |
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| 17:34 | Joubu | greenjimll: rangi and I have already written that kind of scripts |
| 17:34 | greenjimll | Ah, in which case I've just written it again. :-) |
| 17:34 | cait | heh |
| 17:34 | greenjimll | Oh well, at least I'll be able to use it myself. |
| 17:34 | cait | as Joubu has said, when you don't have time to test... it might be not nice to ask about continouus rebase |
| 17:34 | torn on that | |
| 17:35 | greenjimll | Ah, this doesn't contact anyone - it just tries to apply the bugzilla patches for bug(s) with given IDs/statuses and then tells me whether it applies or not. |
| 17:50 | cait | sorry, have to run |
| 17:50 | bbl for meeting | |
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| 17:58 | jenkins | Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #13: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/13/ |
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| 18:07 | greenjimll | fg |
| 18:07 | Oops... wrong window. :-) | |
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| 18:28 | alexbuckley | thanks Joubu for looking at bug 19243 and making those improvements. I am looking through them now |
| 18:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19243 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Selenium test for testing the administration module functionality |
| 18:29 | alexbuckley | and bug 19802 |
| 18:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19802 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move Selenium code to its own module |
| 18:29 | Joubu | alexbuckley: Hopefully it will be more easier to write those tests :) |
| 18:31 | alexbuckley: small steps by small steps, try to add the missing tests for the administration module, then I review your changes and then we can get back to the other ones | |
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| 18:49 | tcohen | jenkins: status |
| 18:49 | jenkins | tcohen you may not issue bot commands in this chat! |
| 18:50 | alexbuckley | yup doing so Joubu |
| 18:50 | thankyou | |
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| 18:53 | alexbuckley | hi cait |
| 18:53 | rangi | i really should get that bot running again |
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| 19:04 | tuxayo | rangi: +1 |
| 19:05 | Joubu | rangi: As I said during the meeting, I am not sure :) |
| 19:06 | jenkins | Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #14: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/14/ |
| 19:12 | rangi | it was really useful |
| 19:12 | people got told that their patches didnt apply, before someone wasted time trying it themselves | |
| 19:13 | and if you get told early, rebase is way way way easier than if you get told they dont apply 5 months later | |
| 19:13 | (just speaking for my patches) | |
| 19:15 | maybe ill jsut get it checking catalyst ones :-) | |
| 19:16 | bag | what objections did people have? |
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| 19:17 | tcohen | hi bag rangi alexbuckley |
| 19:17 | bag | heya tcohen |
| 19:18 | rangi | hey tcohen |
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| 19:18 | rangi | bag: my parents were worried about you, as they thought you still lived in santa barbara |
| 19:19 | tcohen | what's happening in Santa Barbara? |
| 19:19 | bag | ahh!! thanks! I have a bunch of friends there though. They gave my buddy who’s a cop - a set of fireman gear and sent him up in the hills |
| 19:19 | tcohen | holy |
| 19:19 | bag | tcohen: google - the thomas fire |
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| 19:20 | tcohen | that's huge |
| 19:20 | @later tell mtj there's an IO issue on your node, git checkout is timing out after 10 minutes | |
| 19:20 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:21 | alexbuckley | hi tcohen |
| 19:21 | bag | hey rangi - maybe a thought on that bot - instead of cron-ing it - perhaps we just do it once a month or quarter? or maybe right before any “known” hackfest. That way we could have different tracks at a hackfest - one rebasing, one signing off, one QAing. |
| 19:22 | but that still doesn’t solve the major issue - it sucks to have to rebase 5 months later | |
| 19:22 | rangi | yeah thats the main one, if we made the tool available ppl could run it against their own patches |
| 19:23 | bag | ooh that’s a great thought |
| 19:23 | like kidclamp could have his own script and own alerts | |
| 19:23 | I like that thought | |
| 19:23 | rangi | Joubu: the kudos.json has been updated |
| 19:24 | Joubu | thanks rangi |
| 19:25 | bag | heya Joubu |
| 19:25 | Joubu | hi bag! |
| 19:35 | * kidclamp | is alerted |
| 19:35 | is never scripted | |
| 19:36 | bag | :D |
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| 19:44 | mtj | tcohen, 1 tic.. ill try a faster disk |
| 19:44 | tcohen | mtj, it was working ok, I'm not sure what changed |
| 19:45 | maybe it is working on NFS? | |
| 19:45 | * cait | waves |
| 19:49 | mtj | i swapped out the ssd disk last week(ish) so VM was running on spinning disk |
| 19:49 | jenkins | Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #15: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/15/ |
| 19:49 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 19766: (bug 19058 follow-up) Fix Preview routing slip | |
| 19:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19766 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Preview routing slip is broken |
| 19:49 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19058 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move C4::Reserves::GetReserveId to Koha::Holds | |
| 19:49 | mtj | ..i hadnt copied the vm back to the new ssd |
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| 19:51 | mtj | hopefully git checkout will not timeout, back on the ssd |
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| 19:53 | tcohen | mtj |
| 19:53 | I will try now, manually, thanks | |
| 19:54 | mtj | tcohen: vm is still copying... 1 tic |
| 19:54 | tcohen | ah |
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| 19:56 | mtj | tcohen: is up now |
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| 19:57 | tcohen | yeah |
| 19:57 | I notice the difference :-D | |
| 19:57 | thanks | |
| 19:58 | cait | meeting time? |
| 19:58 | wahanui | meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
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| 20:00 | georgew | meeting time will always favor one section of the globe - unless the meetings are scheduled to last 24 hours |
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| 20:00 | kidclamp | it is meeting time |
| 20:00 | georgew | I can't imagine those would be very productive meetings, though |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 13 December 2017 |
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| 20:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Dec 13 20:00:34 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 20:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_13_december_2017' |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 20:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | #chair cait |
| 20:00 | huginn` | Current chairs: cait kidclamp |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | #chair Joubu |
| 20:00 | huginn` | Current chairs: Joubu cait kidclamp |
| 20:01 | georgew | #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System |
| 20:01 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:01 | cait | i have soup on the stove, probably not good to make me chair :) |
| 20:01 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro (Canada) |
| 20:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 20:01 | kidclamp | can't hurt |
| 20:01 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 20:01 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_13_December_2017 | |
| 20:01 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
| 20:01 | caboose | #info Michael Cabus bywater solutions Princeton NJ |
| 20:01 | jmsasse | #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek USA |
| 20:01 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 20:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [Currently in California until 27 Dec.] |
| 20:01 | clintD | #info Clint Deckard Anact NZ |
| 20:01 | rangi | Your Linode, bugs, has exceeded the notification threshold (90) for CPU Usage by averaging 94.7% for the last 2 hours. |
| 20:02 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
| 20:02 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, BibLibre, France |
| 20:02 | cait | oh |
| 20:02 | rangi | if the bugzilla is slow, its because someone is beating the hell out of it currently, so ill be sorta here, sorta trying to fix that |
| 20:03 | * Joubu | guesses it's greenjimll :D |
| 20:03 | tuxayo | rangi: the kind of beating that also happened with the wiki? |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 20:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | floor is open |
| 20:03 | thd | It is still my birthday |
| 20:03 | rangi | tuxayo: don't know, I don't look after the wiki |
| 20:03 | but probably | |
| 20:04 | bag | happy birthday thd |
| 20:04 | BobB | happy birthday thd |
| 20:04 | georgew | happy birthday thd |
| 20:04 | kidclamp | #info it is thd's birthday all day |
| 20:04 | thd | I have delayed the party until after the meeting. |
| 20:04 | tuxayo | happy birthday thd |
| 20:04 | cait | happy birthday |
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| 20:04 | thd | I usually have to collect a 2 year old from school at this time. |
| 20:05 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Munucipal Library UO, Czech Republic |
| 20:05 | kidclamp | #topic Update on releases |
| 20:05 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 20:05 | thd | In other more important news, at home in New York I have redundant internet from two different ISPs ending a 9 month period of no internet at home. |
| 20:05 | mtj | #info Mason James, NZ |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ |
| 20:06 | kidclamp | #info 17.11 see dev meeting, will be pushing and announce string freeze for 15th |
| 20:06 | ranig any 16.11 update? | |
| 20:06 | rangi even | |
| 20:06 | rangi | same as that |
| 20:06 | kidclamp | #info ditto for others :-) |
| 20:06 | Joubu | rangi: there is a test failing, I submit a follow-up. I guess you saw it |
| 20:07 | submitted* | |
| 20:07 | rangi | yep thanks |
| 20:07 | kidclamp | #info see dev meeeting for 18.05 goals and notes |
| 20:07 | #topic FAQs - website, manual or wiki? | |
| 20:07 | Topic for #koha is now FAQs - website, manual or wiki? (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
| 20:08 | kidclamp | cait? |
| 20:08 | wahanui | cait is, like, the best friend you could ever have |
| 20:08 | cait | oh sorry |
| 20:08 | the soup :) | |
| 20:08 | ok, we currently have some faqs on the website and some in the manual | |
| 20:08 | i tihnk they are all in need of updating | |
| 20:08 | the question is where we want them to go | |
| 20:08 | and i am throwing in the wiki as a third option ;) | |
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| 20:09 | wizzyrea | I think the manual |
| 20:09 | they'll get looked at each release (in theory) | |
| 20:09 | caroline | The wiki is more accessible |
| 20:09 | cait | i think website makes it a bit hard because not so many have access |
| 20:09 | caroline | i.e. more people can contribute |
| 20:09 | cait | linking to the wiki or manual make both sense to me |
| 20:09 | georgew | I was thinking the wiki |
| 20:09 | BobB | i agree with wizzyrea, the manual is where new people tend to look first |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | everyone has manual |
| 20:09 | access as well | |
| 20:10 | to submit patches | |
| 20:10 | thd | The wiki should be the easiest place for the most current information, however, document structure of FAQs is better suited to the website or manual. |
| 20:10 | caroline | yeah, but it's not easy to understand |
| 20:10 | cait | with the wiki we can react to mailing list questions etc more quickly |
| 20:10 | it's a bit less complicated even than the manual | |
| 20:10 | so i am a bit more pro wiki | |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | I don't like the wiki because it is TOO easy to update, so gets bad information more easily. |
| 20:10 | and less oversight. | |
| 20:11 | caroline | I am also pro wiki. and we could add the best questions to the manual |
| 20:11 | georgew | I would suggest the wiki and have links to the faqs in the manual |
| 20:11 | cait | wizzyrea: i check the recent updates regularly, atm it seems mostly ok |
| 20:11 | rangi | theres way more wrong info on the wiki than there is right |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | wiki and cherry pick for manual? I think both are usefull in diff ways |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 20:11 | thd | There is no reason information cannot be in multiple places with a message to check the wiki for most current updates. |
| 20:11 | rangi | thats a separate problem tho |
| 20:11 | Joubu | both? Put them in the manual and update the wiki? Or the reverse |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | but the stuff that is right is very usefull |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | the stuff that is right should be in the manual |
| 20:12 | imo. | |
| 20:12 | caroline | duplicates means double the work tho |
| 20:12 | cait | i tihnk the wiki is more technical |
| 20:12 | Joubu | no, automatically |
| 20:12 | cait | we could also divide it |
| 20:12 | but not sure if that will work well | |
| 20:12 | i'd prefer one spot | |
| 20:12 | hm documentation team is not around | |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | we could do some 4th solution |
| 20:13 | thd | We could always ad an extension or create some automated method of pulling from one place to populate another. |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | which is a dedicated FAQ with easy access but that is neither the website, wiki, or manual. |
| 20:13 | thd | s/ad/add/ |
| 20:13 | cait | would require a new account etc probably |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | depends on where it is. |
| 20:14 | georgew | I don't care for the idea of a fourth place - three's enough |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | well at least one of those places would be going away |
| 20:14 | (the website) | |
| 20:14 | thd | wizzyrea: Do you have some particular dedicated FAQ system in mind? |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | I don't |
| 20:14 | because I haven't looked | |
| 20:14 | :) | |
| 20:15 | cait | i think as all need to be cleaned up right now, we could move them all into one place - or should decide to have clear categories on what goes where |
| 20:15 | Joubu | I think it makes sense to have the wiki (for easy edit) then pull the good info for the manual every major release |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | but I would be happy to look |
| 20:15 | that sounds like an awful lot of work - bc someone has to go in and find the good info | |
| 20:15 | computers can't judge that. | |
| 20:15 | * thd | has investigated automated FAQ generation in the long past using vim. |
| 20:16 | BobB | I agree one place is best, and the wiki is easiest to edit ... |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | the bar doesn't have to be high, but I feel there does have to be a bar |
| 20:16 | Joubu | I do not expect 100 new Q&A every 6 months |
| 20:16 | BobB | as long as there is a clear link to it in the manual |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | well for the log I think that will be a mess |
| 20:17 | caroline | doesn't the documentation team have to go over our commits in the manual anyway? |
| 20:17 | cait | there are questions repeating on the mailing lists - those could be turned into faq |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | but you do you |
| 20:17 | cait | in the manual yes |
| 20:17 | push is moderated | |
| 20:17 | thd | wizzyrea: some custom markup nomenclature could sort the problem of distinguishing one thing from another in a wiki based FAQ for selection into other locations. |
| 20:17 | rangi | for the record i agree with wizzyrea |
| 20:17 | caroline | so it's not necessarily more work, just different |
| 20:18 | cait | should we have a vote between wiki and manual? |
| 20:18 | i think website is out? | |
| 20:18 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson Bywater |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | website is least accessible and highest barriers. |
| 20:18 | so yes. | |
| 20:18 | BobB | only a few people can edit the website |
| 20:19 | cait | kidclamp: could you start a vote maybe? |
| 20:19 | just a last note - manual is versioned, so have to be careful with links from website, maybe a page between with links for the faq to different versions | |
| 20:19 | kidclamp | one sec |
| 20:19 | georgew | I guess the real question I am asking myself is, who are the faqs supposed to benefit, and where are they most likely to look to find them |
| 20:20 | thd | BobB: Only a few people can edit the website live but there is no reason we could not institute a drafting process for something such as FAQ content for the website. |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | none of those are problems that can't be solved |
| 20:20 | I could probably pretty easily pull in faq's from the manual | |
| 20:20 | to the website | |
| 20:20 | georgew | When I was new, I was far more likely to look on the wiki than the manual because the wiki was easier to navigate and search |
| 20:20 | kidclamp | so just manual or wiki? or either or both? |
| 20:20 | aleisha_ | #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | ah but the manual is much different now |
| 20:20 | georgew | It has gotten a lot better |
| 20:21 | BobB | its just another task for someone |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | it's always been a task for "someone" |
| 20:21 | :) | |
| 20:22 | cait | i think we can start reworking them once we have agreed on one spot |
| 20:22 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we maintain the FAQ as a wiki page, or in the manual? Manual, wiki |
| 20:22 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Should we maintain the FAQ as a wiki page, or in the manual? Valid vote options are Manual, wiki. |
| 20:22 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:22 | cait | right now it's quite confusing |
| 20:22 | kidclamp | #vote wiki |
| 20:22 | Joubu | both? |
| 20:22 | wahanui | both is probably best :) |
| 20:22 | Joubu | we have the wiki for the quick and easy edit, then the manual team pick and reorder items to put them into the next manual version |
| 20:22 | then wiki is reset with the content from the manual | |
| 20:22 | yes dup of info is bad, I am just tryin to find an agreement for the 2 points of view :) | |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | #vote Manual |
| 20:22 | cait | i think people might be confused when looking at the different versions - search 2 spots |
| 20:23 | and the manual team is using kanban and stil have the framapad open i think | |
| 20:23 | talljoy | #vote wiki |
| 20:23 | cait | so lots of options |
| 20:23 | Joubu | #vote both... |
| 20:23 | huginn` | Joubu: both... is not a valid option. Valid options are Manual, wiki. |
| 20:23 | rangi | #vote Manual |
| 20:23 | (well actually #vote anything but the wiki) | |
| 20:23 | thd | #vote Manual |
| 20:23 | aleisha_ | #vote Manual |
| 20:24 | georgew | #vote Wiki |
| 20:24 | caroline | both, but if I have to choose... wiki |
| 20:24 | cait | abstain - no valid option, so being quiet :) |
| 20:24 | caroline | #vote wiki |
| 20:24 | alexbuckley | #vote Manual |
| 20:24 | bag | #vote Manual |
| 20:25 | josef_moravec | #vote Manual |
| 20:25 | clintD | #vote Manual |
| 20:25 | kidclamp | last call |
| 20:25 | Joubu | #abstain |
| 20:25 | do not know how to do that | |
| 20:26 | kidclamp | #endvote |
| 20:26 | huginn` | Voted on "Should we maintain the FAQ as a wiki page, or in the manual?" Results are |
| 20:26 | wiki (4): kidclamp, caroline, talljoy, georgew | |
| 20:26 | Manual (8): clintD, wizzyrea, josef_moravec, bag, alexbuckley, thd, aleisha_, rangi | |
| 20:27 | cait | at leats we got a decision now and can start cleaning up :) |
| 20:27 | Joubu | so let's write that page now |
| 20:27 | so let's improve that page now :) | |
| 20:27 | cait | hehe |
| 20:27 | kidclamp | #info vote results 4 for wiki, 8 for manual, FAQ will be maintained on the manual |
| 20:27 | cait | #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]laneous.html#faqs |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea: should we let you know once stuff has been moved or how to go about it? | |
| 20:28 | i think first would be to make it a separate chapter :) | |
| 20:28 | ot of misc | |
| 20:29 | move on? | |
| 20:29 | rangi | the other thing with the manual that i just remembered, is it is translatable |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:29 | kidclamp | that's all the topics, just next meeting |
| 20:29 | so discussion has time if wanted | |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | yep just let me know how you want to handle links to it |
| 20:30 | I can make the existing faq go away lickety split | |
| 20:30 | rangi | (without someone having to maintain multiple pages) |
| 20:30 | https://koha-community.org/man[…]laneous.html#faqs eg <-- only partially done | |
| 20:30 | thd | wiki should also be translatable but the procedure for that was sidestepped in the rush to put up a wiki when the old one went down. |
| 20:31 | Joubu | Next doc meeting is too far, I'd like to get opinion about what we already discussed few months ago: How can we merge the online and offline manuals |
| 20:31 | We should remove the help pages and onboard the manual | |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | I have concerns |
| 20:31 | rangi | we also need to start writing some guides, the manual is good, when you already know koha |
| 20:31 | Joubu | the first step would be to link to the online manual, then let the ability to provide a local path to point to a local version |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | 1. not every koha has internet access |
| 20:31 | Joubu | yes, what I said :) |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | ok phew |
| 20:32 | Joubu | then I think we should add a way to edit the manual (for local use in a first time) |
| 20:32 | kidclamp | is there a bug for that Joubu? |
| 20:32 | Joubu | and eventually the ability to merge request (but let's mark that TODO LATER) |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | technically those files are already editable with correct config, but I think the how to has been lost to the mists of time |
| 20:33 | plus slightly terrifying | |
| 20:33 | Joubu | there is 18472 and 18483, I am not willing to push them. That's why I am looking for another option |
| 20:33 | ideas/opinions? | |
| 20:34 | kidclamp | bug 18472 bug 18483 |
| 20:34 | Joubu | think about it for the next manual meeting :) |
| 20:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18472 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Passed QA , Add system preferences to manage online help system |
| 20:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18483 enhancement, P4, ---, veron, In Discussion , Customised help: Enhance staff client with news based, easily editable help system | |
| 20:35 | Joubu | something else or we move on to set the time of the next meeting? |
| 20:35 | ibeardslee | While you are 'all' here for the IRC meeting, we are looking forward to having Koha as part of the Catalyst Open Source Academy next month. Thank you all for being part of it :) |
| 20:35 | thd | Long ago we had a discussion ... |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | oh yes, tag your bugs academy |
| 20:35 | please and to be thanking you | |
| 20:36 | thd | we investigated software for managing the manual ... |
| 20:36 | ... as nengard was doing much of the work alone her preference became the choice | |
| 20:36 | josef_moravec | Would be probably possible to automatically generate integrated help pages from manual? |
| 20:37 | nengard | ?? |
| 20:37 | josef_moravec | and then probably something like bug 18438 on top of it to local customization? |
| 20:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18438 major, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Pushed to Stable , Check in: Modal about holds hides important check in messages |
| 20:38 | thd | nengard: You do not remember that discussion. Actually we may have voted in your preference. |
| 20:38 | nengard | i didn't read back to see what you were talking about :) |
| 20:39 | Joubu | josef_moravec: I think it's good to have the manual outside of the Koha code, otherwise we are going to embed all the translated versions of the manual |
| 20:39 | rangi | its moot now |
| 20:39 | cos it's not even xml anymore | |
| 20:39 | Joubu | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 20:39 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 13 December 2017) | |
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| 20:40 | wizzyrea | I think we should have a manual package that koha-common depends on |
| 20:40 | and you get both | |
| 20:40 | but they are independent | |
| 20:40 | or even that it doesn't depend on it, it could be optional, for example if you install Koha and have internet, you don't need the manual package | |
| 20:40 | cait | we discussed last time to make it an option |
| 20:40 | thd | There were a few options and are probably more now which manage documentation in different formats online, print, etc; work well with collaboration; support version control in git well; etc. |
| 20:41 | cait | use the installed manual locally or link to the external |
| 20:41 | i tihnk that would be nice | |
| 20:41 | for all the hosted koha an online manual on the internet is not a big issue | |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | yeah, we could create a manual vhost on the server, so your koha server could have manual.mydns.com |
| 20:41 | and you just go to your own copy | |
| 20:41 | a package could do all that for you | |
| 20:42 | and it could set a flag that says "hi I'm installed locally, all your links should point to me!" | |
| 20:42 | cait | if we have a configurable url |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | it'd be configurable just like the koha ones are |
| 20:42 | cait | you could also have a customized manual for all oyur servers if you decided to |
| 20:43 | Joubu | Next meeting: 10 January 2018, 14 UTC ? |
| 20:43 | cait | ok for me |
| 20:43 | thd | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:44 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 10 January 2018, 14 UTC |
| 20:44 | thd | Yaay 14 UTC |
| 20:44 | Joubu | can I end? |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | ok by me |
| 20:44 | BobB | yep |
| 20:44 | georgew | yes |
| 20:44 | Joubu | #endmeeting |
| 20:44 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:44 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Dec 13 20:44:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:44 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-13-20.00.html | |
| 20:44 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-12-13-20.00.txt | |
| 20:44 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]13-20.00.log.html | |
| 20:46 | Joubu | wizzyrea: did you get other concerns? |
| 20:46 | * thd | invites everyone to his birthday party in Roseville, California today. |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | naw, i think as long as we provide a local copy or an option to have a local copy I"m all good |
| 20:46 | Joubu | wizzyrea: yes of course |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | as mentioned I think it should be a package we can deliver via debian.koha-community.org as a suggested |
| 20:47 | Joubu | all of that sounds like a quite easy work (we will need to point to the right page/anchor) |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | that configures itself with a vhost and sets a flag to tell Koha "hi, i'm here look at me!" |
| 20:47 | Joubu | but then the local edit may be a bit tricky, if you are aware of any good tools to do that, let me know |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | well |
| 20:47 | that's a fair point but it's still just rst | |
| 20:48 | Joubu | nope, we have the .md |
| 20:48 | and html, or whatever | |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | hm. |
| 20:48 | rangi | the .md ? |
| 20:48 | you wouldn't install the html | |
| 20:48 | thd | wizzyrea: Obviously that necessitates some ease of generating the local variant and integrating that with the more universal text seamlessly where no local change is needed. |
| 20:48 | rangi | you'd install the rst |
| 20:48 | and compile the html | |
| 20:48 | Joubu | we will certainly need to provide a script to git pull/generate the html, etc. |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 20:49 | rangi | just make sphinx a dependency |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | of the koha-manual package |
| 20:49 | rangi | yep |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | not koha-common |
| 20:49 | rangi | and koha-manual-update script, that wraps |
| 20:49 | thd | Joubu: I will try to look for the old discussion from the mailing list later where we considered some tools at the time. |
| 20:49 | Joubu | indeed, we do not have .md |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | possibly we have a vision here rangi that isn't quite clear to everyone else |
| 20:49 | :) | |
| 20:50 | rangi | thd: it's pointless that was dealing with docbookxml .. it isnt that |
| 20:50 | Joubu | it's more or less what I suggested :) |
| 20:50 | so I think I get your points | |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | yay! |
| 20:50 | Joubu | what is after is the local editing |
| 20:50 | rangi | thd: it's sphinx |
| 20:51 | thd | rangi: Except that we considered other alternatives. You may be correct, however, that the former discussion does not apply here. |
| 20:52 | cait | thd: we just switched to sphinx, i think switching technologies again is not what we want right now |
| 20:52 | rangi | i think we worry about local edits last, and deal with making it easy for the 98% of people who will never do local edits |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | moreover |
| 20:53 | Joubu | rangi: yes, but as I said, it's the easy part :) I can be done quite quickly |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | you could still do edits |
| 20:54 | rangi | lets do that then |
| 20:54 | Joubu | it looks easy, I may be wrong :) |
| 20:54 | thd | cait rangi: Yes, I agree that Sphinx is a good choice which probably assists well in accomplishing the goal articulated by wizzyrea. |
| 20:54 | rangi | nothing we do now makes local edits harder ;) |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | it just wouldn't be all fancy fancy, it'd probably be "download the files to your computer, edit them, and upload them back into x directory" |
| 20:54 | rangi | so lets make that phase 2, get phase 1 out the door |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | and run this command |
| 20:54 | to build the html | |
| 20:54 | koha-build-manual | |
| 20:54 | amirite | |
| 20:55 | rangi | yup |
| 20:55 | thd | rangi: Everything which is currently being done seems to make local edits easier than had been the case formerly. |
| 20:55 | Joubu | no |
| 20:55 | rangi | phase 3, make it doable from inside koha |
| 20:55 | Joubu | it's to easy the maintenance of the manual and keep only 1 version |
| 20:56 | I am done, see you #koha | |
| 20:56 | rangi | see you Joubu |
| 20:57 | josef_moravec | bye Joubu |
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| 21:08 | Joubu | fyi there is a known critical bug that impacts stable releases, see bug 19808 |
| 21:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19808 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Data corruption causing an Internal Server Error when seeing a record's details. Which have reviews from deleted borrowers. |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | eww |
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