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| 01:57 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 02:01 | rangi | hey LeeJ, thanks for all your work with the manual |
| 02:01 | LeeJ | rangi it's been my pleasure! |
| 02:02 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]docs/authors.html <-- you're on the leaders board now, that number will jump a bit when new stats get run |
| 02:02 | LeeJ | rangi is there something wrong with the koha-community git? I can't seem to do a git fetch... |
| 02:02 | rangi | i think its just overloaded |
| 02:02 | its a bit underpowered | |
| 02:02 | and people sometimes run scripts against it etf | |
| 02:02 | etc even | |
| 02:03 | lemme see if i can login and look | |
| 02:03 | LeeJ | thank you! I'm getting the error message "Cannot obtain needed blob" |
| 02:03 | rangi | oh interesting |
| 02:03 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:04 | rangi | the server looks ok |
| 02:04 | 02:05:51 up 91 days, 15:42, 1 user, load average: 0.63, 0.55, 0.50 | |
| 02:04 | git fetch worked for me | |
| 02:04 | LeeJ | well that's unusual.. |
| 02:04 | rangi | ahhh |
| 02:05 | apparently you can get that error after one has been interupted | |
| 02:05 | aleisha | i did a git fetch earlier today and it took super long but still worked |
| 02:05 | took maybe 10-15 minutes | |
| 02:05 | i went and got lunch in that time | |
| 02:05 | LeeJ | ooh |
| 02:05 | rangi | you could try a |
| 02:05 | LeeJ | would a reset origin/master fix the issue? |
| 02:05 | rangi | git fsck |
| 02:06 | https://git-scm.com/docs/git-fsck | |
| 02:06 | or a git gc | |
| 02:06 | wahanui | a git gc is fine |
| 02:06 | rangi | https://git-scm.com/docs/git-gc |
| 02:06 | id go with the fsck first | |
| 02:06 | that hopefully will fix it up and then you can fetch again | |
| 02:07 | LeeJ | hmm..I'll give it a try |
| 02:07 | I thought it was my devbox so I ended up provisioning the devbox and it still returned the error | |
| 02:07 | will try now :) | |
| 02:09 | * LeeJ | presses Play on the Jeopardy theme song |
| 02:09 | LeeJ | this is going to take a while... |
| 02:09 | rangi: though the git fsck appears to be working for the moment | |
| 02:09 | rangi | cool :) |
| 02:10 | LeeJ | I appreciate the assistance from such a legend :) haha |
| 02:14 | by the way aleisha I would like to thank you for that notes for rules patch of yours...was super excited because our library has some goofy circ rules and that makes it easier to remember :) | |
| 02:16 | aleisha | woohoo, thanks! |
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| 02:18 | LeeJ | oh booo |
| 02:18 | rangi fsck didn't fix the problem..trying gc now | |
| 02:19 | aleisha | if you find that gc also doesn't work, try the top answer from this https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]rrupted-git-fetch |
| 02:20 | LeeJ | aleisha that link is gold :D |
| 02:20 | gc is processing now so fingers crossed | |
| 02:21 | that sad moment when you're bored and want to do some dev work but everything breaks | |
| 02:21 | well that's different.. | |
| 02:22 | got the error "fatal: sha1 file '.git/objects/pack/tmp_pack_BxopVG' write error: No space left on device" | |
| 02:22 | going to try that link now.. | |
| 02:23 | rangi | ah ha |
| 02:23 | thats probably the problem | |
| 02:23 | do a df | |
| 02:23 | ? | |
| 02:24 | i've been meaning to do a merge request to up the disk size for the devbox | |
| 02:24 | LeeJ | I actually think the link aleisha provided has the solution..going to try that first |
| 02:25 | rangi | cool |
| 02:29 | LeeJ | I think that stackoverflow link is working! :D |
| 02:29 | :( | |
| 02:29 | spoke too soon | |
| 02:30 | guess I'll just reset devbox..thank you both for the help :) | |
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| 02:38 | LeeJ | so one last question..I hear everyone saying to use SYNC_REPO..besides not having to clone the repo each time you spin up a box, is there some other benfit to it that no one mentions? |
| 02:46 | rangi | you can work with whatever editor you like |
| 02:46 | on your main box | |
| 02:46 | and changes show in your devbox | |
| 02:46 | so if you wanted to use and IDE or something say | |
| 02:47 | and=an | |
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| 02:49 | LeeJ | ooooooh |
| 02:49 | welp...guess I know what I'll be trying to set up tonight :) | |
| 02:50 | thank you very much for your help rangi :) | |
| 02:50 | rangi++ | |
| 02:53 | oh! can't forget aleisha++ for the help :) | |
| 02:53 | have a great night you two! | |
| 02:53 | aleisha | :) you too |
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| 06:12 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 06:27 | oha | o/ |
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| 06:53 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:18 | fridolin | hie tehre |
| 07:18 | salut les gens | |
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| 10:55 | PatrickD | Hi I posted the question already on the list but didn't get the expected answer: is anybody aware of a integration of koha with ERM SAP? Or is anybody already working on this? |
| 11:12 | magnuse | hm, are there problems with the structure of tables "club_enrollments" and consequently "club_enrollment_fields"? |
| 11:13 | when i try to create the first one i get "ERROR 1067 (42000): Invalid default value for 'date_created'" | |
| 11:13 | and the second one gives "ERROR 1215 (HY000): Cannot add foreign key constraint" because the first one failed (as far as i can tell) | |
| 11:14 | cait | someone else reported this recently |
| 11:14 | having trouble to install koha 17.05 on mint/mariadb | |
| 11:14 | interesting that you run into it too | |
| 11:16 | magnuse | looks like the problem is the default value provided in "date_created timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00-00 00:00:00'," |
| 11:16 | does it even make sense to give a default value for a timestamp? | |
| 11:20 | yeah, guess it does | |
| 11:20 | this works: | |
| 11:20 | date_created timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, | |
| 11:20 | cait | can you make a patch? i will find the bug report |
| 11:20 | is this on mariadb? | |
| 11:20 | magnuse | no, mysql |
| 11:20 | cait | 5.7? |
| 11:20 | wahanui | 5.7 is not working |
| 11:20 | magnuse | 5.7.18-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 |
| 11:21 | cait | you know you are not supposed to use that, right? |
| 11:21 | magnuse | heh, guess not |
| 11:22 | this is the gitified install on my laptop, which i normally do not use | |
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| 11:22 | cait | 18836 |
| 11:22 | magnuse | if it works with the given default in other versions i won't bother doing anything about it, i think? |
| 11:22 | bug 18836 | |
| 11:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18836 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron login is erroring out after failing to find table |
| 11:23 | cait | changing the title now |
| 11:23 | could you comment with your info? | |
| 11:26 | magnuse | it works in kohadevbox, with mysql 5.5 |
| 11:26 | will add a comment | |
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| 11:42 | oleonard | Yo |
| 11:43 | magnuse | yo yo yo, oleonard in da house! |
| 11:44 | time to get the party started! | |
| 11:45 | oleonard | No no, Yo as in the million-dollar startup which enables you to say "Yo" to people! |
| 11:45 | They took the world by storm I'm surprised you don't remember. | |
| 11:52 | magnuse | ah, no i do not remember that |
| 11:53 | eythian | oh man, you missed Yo? Sucks to be you. |
| 11:56 | Personally, I preferred the 'Hodor' app. | |
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| 11:58 | * LeeJ | waves |
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| 12:34 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:35 | oleonard | Yo |
| 12:38 | tcohen | happy birthday, nengard! |
| 12:38 | nengard | Thank you :) |
| 12:40 | kidclamp | happy birthday nengard |
| 12:44 | * LeeJ | waves to everyone |
| 12:44 | LeeJ | heyyy happy birthday nengard! |
| 12:45 | nengard | :) |
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| 13:01 | LeeJ | @later tell cait for the 17.05 sysprefs you have a note next to AuthorityMergeLimit...so AuthorityMergeLimit replaces dontmerge entirely, correct? |
| 13:01 | huginn | LeeJ: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:01 | tcohen | LeeJ: I don't think so |
| 13:01 | ah, yes! removed! | |
| 13:02 | LeeJ | tcohen so my statement was correct? |
| 13:03 | tcohen | Yes |
| 13:03 | LeeJ | tcohen thank you! |
| 13:03 | fridolin | perf bug for huge catalogs Bug 18861 |
| 13:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18861 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, NEW , branch_transfer_limits needs keys |
| 13:04 | tcohen | hi fridolin! |
| 13:04 | * LeeJ | waves to fridolin |
| 13:04 | LeeJ | thank you very much fridolin! |
| 13:04 | tcohen | fridolin: are you providing a patch for it? |
| 13:05 | LeeJ: there's something I don't understand | |
| 13:05 | how can the feature be disabled? | |
| 13:05 | fridolin | tcohen: yep just done it |
| 13:05 | Bug 18861 | |
| 13:06 | LeeJ | I think I'm confused somewhere.. haha |
| 13:06 | * fridolin | waves back |
| 13:07 | tcohen | LeeJ: I'm readng the bug (17913) |
| 13:07 | LeeJ | tcohen that's a good question..I'd need to include that info in an Important note |
| 13:08 | tcohen | LeeJ: the old behaviour was that there was an on/off switch (dontmerge) |
| 13:09 | it seems that by adding the option to control whether to syncronously update the linked biblios, we lost the ability to disable the behaviour | |
| 13:09 | it might make sense, though. But I wasn't part of the disucssion, so need to read the bug | |
| 13:09 | LeeJ | tcohen my first question would be can it be "disabled" if the value is set to zero? |
| 13:09 | tcohen | it might be a hidden feature (like AuthorityMergeLimit =0 or similar) |
| 13:10 | LeeJ | haha we were on the same train of though |
| 13:10 | thought even | |
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| 13:10 | oleonard | If anyone has time I'd be very grateful if they could test Bug 17893 |
| 13:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move JavaScript to the footer on staff client catalog pages |
| 13:11 | oleonard | I think we can do a lot to improve the way Koha handles JavaScript, but it's going to be a slog. |
| 13:12 | LeeJ | oleonard if I was more proficient in JS I'd assist but I'm still a novice rookie :) |
| 13:13 | oleonard | LeeJ: You don't need to look at the JavaScript code to test, if that helps. |
| 13:14 | LeeJ | oleonard I know :) I enjoy testing your patches because you always have good test plans :) |
| 13:15 | tcohen I think I found the answer | |
| 13:15 | the unit test for Merge.t was changed in that bug | |
| 13:19 | tcohen | LeeJ: I'm all ears |
| 13:25 | LeeJ | one of the first tests in it tests for the value set to zero it appears |
| 13:40 | tcohen | if it is set to 0, then there's no limit for merging the auth info into biblios |
| 13:43 | LeeJ | hmm...I see your point |
| 13:46 | tcohen | so, limit=0, then proceed to merge into all biblio records when the user saves the changes |
| 13:46 | limit=n, then proceed to merge into all biblio records when the user saves the changes, if the amount of biblios is lower or equal to n | |
| 13:47 | if the amount of biblios is higher than n, then the merge is skipped, but scheduled for when merge_authorities.pl is ran by the cronjob | |
| 13:49 | LeeJ | not sure how to go about it now haha |
| 13:49 | tcohen | well, that's the actual behaviour, and is explained on the sysprefs page |
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| 14:00 | LeeJ | I suppose I could skip that for now putting it into the manual and go back to it later :) |
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| 14:37 | LeeJ | oleonard there you go! signed off! :) |
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| 14:45 | oha | mh? "Your membership in the mailing list Koha has been disabled due to excessive bounces" |
| 14:45 | am i that bouncy? | |
| 14:46 | * LeeJ | tries to throw oha against a wall to test bounciness |
| 14:46 | oha | not too bad, ah? |
| 14:46 | more bouncy then expected | |
| 14:46 | gotta go, hopefully it is just a glitch | |
| 14:47 | LeeJ | darn..was just about to grab a tennis racket :) |
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| 15:02 | LibraryClaire | I got a mail about bounces from the list too |
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| 15:45 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:04 | tcohen_lunch | In Pero |
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| 17:21 | * LeeJ | waves to cait |
| 17:29 | * cait | waves back |
| 17:29 | cait | :) |
| 17:30 | * kidclamp | waves about wildly, figures someone will receive one |
| 17:31 | eythian | Friendly fire. |
| 17:31 | LeeJ | haha |
| 17:32 | * LeeJ | waves to kidclamp |
| 17:32 | LeeJ | kidclamp: I can picture you doing that too haha |
| 17:33 | kidclamp | it's not a stretch, many people have agreed I am likely to wear a romphim |
| 17:33 | LeeJ | hahahahahahaha |
| 17:36 | tcohen | snag.gy is back online \o/ |
| 17:36 | kidclamp | huzzah |
| 17:37 | LeeJ | I use gyazo..it automatically uploads haha |
| 17:37 | * magnuse | adds to the waving |
| 17:44 | * LeeJ | waves to magnuse |
| 17:45 | * magnuse | waves back to LeeJ |
| 17:46 | LeeJ | magnuse so how goes that authority work? haha |
| 17:46 | magnuse | i have not had the time to look at it again yet |
| 17:46 | maybe tomorrow | |
| 17:46 | LeeJ | I know the feeling :) |
| 17:47 | magnuse | is it possible to limit the fields that are used to generate authorities? |
| 17:47 | yeah, a very common feeling... | |
| 17:47 | LeeJ | hmm good question |
| 17:47 | let's see... | |
| 17:48 | magnuse: which fields did you have in mind? | |
| 17:51 | I believe that they are generated from the 1xx fields.. | |
| 17:52 | magnuse | my customer wants subjects from 653 |
| 17:52 | LeeJ | hmm... |
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| 17:56 | LeeJ | I'm not sure myself to be honest |
| 17:56 | still rather new to working with authorities but I do know a small bit | |
| 17:57 | our library doesn't use 653 that I've come across | |
| 17:59 | * LeeJ | grumbles still trying to figure out with SYNC_REPO won't work on Windows |
| 18:03 | LeeJ | cait: so tcohen and I were having a discussion earlier...for the syspref AuthorityMergeMode you don't know of a way it can be disabled correct? I was going to work on the manual and wanted to verify if I should include an important note under it |
| 18:04 | tcohen | LeeJ: did you install vbguest-additions? |
| 18:04 | LeeJ: sorry, vagrant-vbguest | |
| 18:05 | LeeJ | tcohen: I did! I don't know why I'm the only one having difficulty. |
| 18:05 | tcohen | is the double backslash mandatory? |
| 18:06 | LeeJ | tcohen: it is otherwise the file path is incorrect. Now I'm failing at a strange part |
| 18:06 | https://github.com/digibib/koh[…]koha-instance.yml | |
| 18:06 | tcohen | where |
| 18:06 | LeeJ | it was failing at line 7 column 3...I'm thinking it's because I didn't have koha_instance_name uncommented in user.yml |
| 18:06 | so I'm trying that now | |
| 18:07 | tcohen | no |
| 18:07 | it picks from defaults.yml what you don't have in user.yml | |
| 18:08 | LeeJ | that's what I thought too..though then I don't understand why it's not found |
| 18:08 | tcohen | maybe registering stdout is not working |
| 18:08 | ldjamison? | |
| 18:08 | LeeJ | ansible is failing on "koha-list '|' grep kohadev" saying no such file or directory |
| 18:09 | tcohen | can you paste the exact output on the issue in github? |
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| 18:11 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 18:11 | @seen gmcharlt | |
| 18:11 | huginn | mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: * gmcharlt waves back at cait |
| 18:11 | LeeJ | tcohen it's the exact same error message each time |
| 18:11 | https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/199 | |
| 18:12 | and my user.yml is identical to what I posted there | |
| 18:13 | I'll add in the full ansible-playbook log now | |
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| 18:24 | tcohen | LeeJ: can you vagrant ssh |
| 18:24 | and tell me what Ansible version you got installed? | |
| 18:24 | ansible --version} | |
| 18:24 | LeeJ | sure..just a sec |
| 18:25 | tcohen: 2.3.1.0 | |
| 18:29 | cait | LeeJ: just saw your later - yep |
| 18:29 | dontmerge has to be deleted, replaced by the other pref | |
| 18:31 | LeeJ | cait: okay :) |
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| 18:36 | LeeJ | tcohen: not sure if it helps, but the same error happens on 3 Windows machines I've tried it on..2 are Windows 7 and 1 is Windows 8.1 |
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| 18:39 | magnuse | fun project of the day: https://github.com/Libriotech/koha-mytap |
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| 18:44 | tcohen | @later tell lari I've added to tomorrow's agenda a REST api section, please join the discussion if you can, it would help a lot |
| 18:44 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:46 | magnuse | ah https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_28_June_2017 14 utc |
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| 18:59 | lostcause | Hello, I am a governor at a small infant school. They have a tiny library and of course, like all schools no budget. I am very comfortable with Linux, Mysql, Apache, Perl (LAMP!) and servers etc. but I have no library experience. Do you think Koha is a good suggestion for getting a system up and running at very low cost with barcodes, library cards, scanners etc? Before I get too far into it, |
| 18:59 | I'm wondering if it is too complicated/sophisticated a system for what is needed. Does Koha run on an external host/server perhaps or would you normally have a local in-house server for it? Thanks for any suggestions, encouragement etc. :) | |
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| 19:00 | LeeJ | lostcause: hello and welcome to the Koha community! :) |
| 19:00 | lostcause | Thanks :) |
| 19:01 | LeeJ | lostcause: with a little effort Koha is rather easy to navigate once you understand how it is structured |
| 19:01 | lostcause | I was thinking of maybe just trying to set it up for my own books at home to see how it works first maybe. |
| 19:02 | LeeJ | I come from an IT background and started out with zero library knowledge but Koha was VERY user-friendly to learn |
| 19:02 | doing it for your own home collection is certainly one way to test it out! | |
| 19:03 | to answer your question regarding a server, either option is viable | |
| 19:03 | lostcause | In my head, the minimum starting costs are: usb scanner(s), barcode labels, library cards, and then possibly just use an existing computer/internet connection and connect to Koha running on a Virtual Machine somewhere |
| 19:04 | LeeJ | that is more or less the gist of it :) |
| 19:05 | are there any other specific questions you have? | |
| 19:05 | lostcause | Does Koha link to an ISBN database somewhere, or is there a plugin or easy way to scan in the existing books without having to type in all the titles etc? |
| 19:05 | LeeJ | Koha offers something called a z39.50 client |
| 19:06 | lostcause | Ah yes, I saw that, I have/had no idea what that was (I guess I could have googled that) in fact..maybe I'll google it now |
| 19:06 | LeeJ | basically what that does it you provide an input parameter (title, ISBN, author, etc.) and the client queries "targets" for pre-existing book records |
| 19:06 | lostcause | Are there good free sources/databases or is that another cost to factor in? |
| 19:07 | LeeJ | Koha by default comes with the Library of Congress as a z39.50 target..at no cost! |
| 19:07 | cait | @later tell kidclamp yep, can chari |
| 19:07 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:07 | lostcause | Sounds a bit American, do you think it'll have UK kids books? |
| 19:08 | LeeJ | Library of Congress (LOC) is the go-to source for most libraries for basic catalog records |
| 19:08 | hmm..let me pull up ours..I believe we have a UK target.. | |
| 19:08 | cait | irspy? |
| 19:08 | wahanui | irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com. |
| 19:08 | lostcause | thanks, I'll look at that, very useful |
| 19:08 | cait | they have a directory of other sources - you could see if you can find something there |
| 19:08 | LeeJ | the library I work at uses the British Library as a target :) |
| 19:09 | lostcause | So it does sound like this is a very good solution |
| 19:10 | LeeJ | lostcause we wouldn't be here if we didn't believe in the utility of Koha :) |
| 19:10 | lostcause | :) |
| 19:10 | LeeJ | do you have any other concerns we might be able to address for you? |
| 19:10 | lostcause | I just need to persuade my governing board. I don't feel it will be hard at the moment. |
| 19:10 | I'll be back if I think of something, I think I'll install it and have a look | |
| 19:10 | cait | you could set up koha on a laptop even |
| 19:10 | to show them | |
| 19:11 | with a few of your books | |
| 19:11 | i tihnk it has been done before :) | |
| 19:11 | there is also demos available on the website | |
| 19:11 | demos? | |
| 19:11 | wahanui | demos are http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 19:11 | cait | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 19:11 | wahanui | :) |
| 19:12 | LeeJ | Koha also has a manual released with each version that provides robust information covering every aspect of Koha's functionality https://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 19:13 | currently 17.05 is the most recent stable version..full upgrades are released twice a year (May and November) | |
| 19:14 | cait | we provide packages - so installing is super easy |
| 19:15 | LeeJ | besides https://koha-community.org there is also a wiki available that provides more technical details as necessary |
| 19:15 | wiki? | |
| 19:15 | wahanui | wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org |
| 19:16 | lostcause | nice |
| 19:20 | LeeJ | have we addressed all of your concerns for the moment? |
| 19:21 | lostcause | More than addressed them yes, very impressive community help thanks! |
| 19:21 | cait | :) |
| 19:21 | LeeJ | :) |
| 19:22 | wahanui botsnack cookie for being a very helpful bot | |
| 19:22 | wahanui | :) |
| 19:22 | cait | there is usually always someone around here, weekends are a bit quiet |
| 19:26 | lostcause | The demos do make it look a bit scary though, loads of things going on. Is it possible to simplify the interfaces etc? |
| 19:26 | I guess I'll know that once I start installing it | |
| 19:27 | LeeJ | some parts/functions can be enabled/disabled |
| 19:27 | lostcause | I guess the demos tend to have everything enabled |
| 19:28 | LeeJ | usually they do so it's possible to see everything offered |
| 19:29 | eythian | Yeah, keep in mind it can run a public library system with budgets and branches and stuff. You as the admin can see everything, but can disable parts for people who might be daunted by them. |
| 19:29 | LeeJ | the staff client (intranet) is the busy end of things..for the most part the OPAC (also known as the catalog..it stands for Online Public Access Catalog) |
| 19:30 | lostcause | I don't want to scare them with it, although I can see some of those features becoming useful later |
| 19:31 | cait | you can also use the permissions to hide a lot of things |
| 19:31 | users who don't have permission for using a feature, won't see it | |
| 19:38 | LeeJ | just a second and can show you a screenshot of a slimmed down version of the staff screen :) |
| 19:38 | lostcause | great thanks |
| 19:40 | LeeJ | https://gyazo.com/7288cbed6dee[…]dbf7db83fde64f2f6 |
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| 19:41 | LeeJ | that would give a better indication of how "slim" the staff client can be |
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| 19:42 | lostcause | Yes that's less scary. Can the words be changed easily? Like instead of Patrons some other word? I guess maybe with a language file? |
| 19:42 | LeeJ | hmm..cait what are your thoughts? |
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| 19:44 | LeeJ | I believe with some programming tricks the labels could be changed but I'm not certain if there are some fields/options that cannot have the wording changed |
| 19:44 | with that being said, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible with a little effort | |
| 19:45 | lostcause | It's no big deal really, I'm sure I can work around it one way or another |
| 19:45 | does "circulation" mean books in and out? | |
| 19:45 | LeeJ | that is correct! |
| 19:45 | lostcause | I guess these are all general library terms that I just don't know |
| 19:46 | I mean that looks exactly what I would want. And Lists is the catalogue of books? | |
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| 19:47 | LeeJ | lists is actually something slightly different |
| 19:47 | the catalogue of books can be accessed either through the cataloguing module or via the "Search the catalog" search field | |
| 19:48 | lostcause | ah yes I see |
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| 19:48 | lostcause | is lists, like reports then? |
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| 19:48 | LeeJ | the lists feature can be used by staff and (if allowed) patrons..they can be either private or public lists of books from the catalogue |
| 19:49 | lostcause | ah right, yes I see |
| 19:49 | LeeJ | for example, our library occasionally uses the lists feature to list catalogue items for History Months |
| 19:49 | lostcause | Yes, a school could have reading lists for each class or something |
| 19:49 | LeeJ | precisely! |
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| 19:51 | LeeJ | quite a few of ours users take advantage of lists from the OPAC side when they log in where they can manage their own private lists as well (i.e. a "to read" list) |
| 19:56 | lostcause | Yes the OPAC is interesting, so in theory I can link it to the school web site. |
| 19:57 | LeeJ | that's correct..it also allows for other options as well |
| 19:57 | lostcause | Although we are talking about a small number of books for 4-8 year olds here, not the British Library ;) |
| 19:57 | LeeJ | a library is a library is a library ;) |
| 19:59 | actually, this may prove useful to you in your case https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide | |
| 20:00 | it provides more of a laymens walkthrough of sorts | |
| 20:00 | cait | sorry, just reading back |
| 20:00 | you could change it with jquery in the configuration | |
| 20:00 | we can help with that | |
| 20:00 | easier than the language files and will survive updates | |
| 20:00 | LeeJ | thank you cait :) |
| 20:01 | lostcause | ah great |
| 20:01 | LeeJ | so to confirm for you lostcause the text "Patrons" CAN be changed to something easier if desired :) |
| 20:02 | cait | jquery = JavaScript |
| 20:02 | there IS a en-GB language version | |
| 20:02 | lostcause | OK and that would survive updates too |
| 20:02 | cait | i am not sure if the terms are more familiar there |
| 20:03 | but it'ssomething you could try out | |
| 20:03 | at least should give you 'better' spelling :) | |
| 20:03 | lostcause | Ah right, yes maybe the GB version will be terms that make more sense to me :) |
| 20:07 | LeeJ | at one point in time we've all had the experience of having to learn Koha from scratch..we know how you feel :) |
| 20:08 | lostcause | Yes, I'm reading the newbie guide at the moment, useful |
| 20:08 | magnuse | except rangi, he had to write it from scratch ;-) |
| 20:09 | LeeJ | hahaha magnuse I was going to say that but decided not to :) |
| 20:09 | cait | :) |
| 20:09 | magnuse | i couldn't help myself ;-) |
| 20:09 | cait | it's something beautiful about this project |
| 20:10 | to have the very first people, like jo and rangi and the newer ones and people from everywhere... | |
| 20:10 | magnuse | yay for all the people! |
| 20:10 | cait | yay for community :) |
| 20:10 | * LeeJ | raises his hand for being one of the newest |
| 20:10 | cait | lostcause: where in UK are you? |
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| 20:13 | lostcause | I'm in Surrey |
| 20:13 | rangi | omg |
| 20:13 | lostcause | Ugh, I just got to the section on Frameworks and my head is starting to hurt |
| 20:13 | * rangi | just read the ugraded from ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 |
| 20:13 | rangi | why |
| 20:13 | why would you do that | |
| 20:14 | cait | rangi: don't scare lostcause |
| 20:14 | :) | |
| 20:14 | lostcause: go there later | |
| 20:14 | rangi | oh im just puzzled why someone would upgrade to 12.04 ... |
| 20:14 | cait | lostcause: it's basically just... forms |
| 20:14 | rangi | its 17 now |
| 20:14 | cait | for cataloguing |
| 20:14 | and you can make them easier by hiding everything you don#t need | |
| 20:15 | LeeJ | lostcause: since you said that the materials in question are books then you probably only need to work with the Books Framework :) |
| 20:15 | cait | or downsize the default one :) |
| 20:16 | lostcause | Yeah that makes sense |
| 20:17 | Simplicity is the aim here ;) | |
| 20:17 | LeeJ | then you've come to the right community ;) |
| 20:17 | lostcause | Just upgrading my laptop from 14.04 to 16.04... |
| 20:18 | So should be ready to try installing in an hour or two I guess :/ | |
| 20:18 | brb | |
| 20:18 | LeeJ | well I'll probably be back on shortly..time to leave work and head home haha |
| 20:19 | cait | have a nice evening LeeJ |
| 20:20 | LeeJ | tcohen: by the way..I spent the past while trying to troubleshoot my sync_repo problem..vagrant ssh shows that the kohaclone is syncing correctly but it still fails at koha-instance.yml. BUT if I disable sync repo and only change the sync repo line of user.yml vagrant up completes |
| 20:21 | you too cait! Was trying to troubleshoot a devbox problem but I'll be manual writing in the morning again :) | |
| 20:21 | cait | np, thx for the help! |
| 20:21 | LeeJ | of course! |
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| 20:24 | * LeeJ | waves bye |
| 20:32 | tcohen | @later tell LeeJ maybe there's something about the way you pass the SYNC_REPO variable... you could try the inline form: SYNC_REPO="C:\" vagrant up |
| 20:32 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:36 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 21:37 | cait | wb LeeJ |
| 21:37 | LeeJ | thank you cait :) |
| 21:37 | I hopped on my mac to see if I could get sync_repo working on it...I swear this will be the death of me | |
| 21:39 | might try to do a bit of manual work while I'm babysitting :) | |
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| 23:55 | aleisha | anyone else having an issue with patron clubs? can't create a club or go to the page at all if clubs exist? bug 18870 |
| 23:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18870 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron Clubs breaks when creating a club |
| 23:57 | mtompset | Sorry, aleisha. Haven't tried. That seemed like a functionality that we'll never use. |
| 23:58 | aleisha: Did you see my comment on 14385? :) I was thinking that 10589 is actually an expansion of this, and I might reopen it. | |
| 23:59 | aleisha | you can resurrect if you'd like |
| 23:59 | mtompset | 14385 or both? |
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