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| 06:39 | magnuse | refresh? |
| 06:39 | refresh is https://xkcd.com/1854/ | |
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| 08:56 | * cait | waves |
| 09:00 | eythian | hi cait |
| 09:01 | cait | hi eythian |
| 09:09 | magnuse | hiya cait and eythian |
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| 09:35 | cait | :) |
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| 12:55 | magnuse | wow, dbic makes for some pretty opaque error messages |
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| 13:01 | LeeJ | hi magnuse! |
| 13:01 | wahanui | kamelåså |
| 13:01 | magnuse | hiya LeeJ |
| 13:02 | LeeJ | what in the world ? |
| 13:02 | is that a programmed response to saying hello to you? lol | |
| 13:02 | magnuse | so it is :-) |
| 13:03 | LeeJ | haha I like it though I don't know what it says :) |
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| 13:04 | LeeJ | magnuse did you have a go at those authorities? haha |
| 13:06 | * cait | waves |
| 13:09 | * LeeJ | waves to cait |
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| 13:11 | LeeJ | cait: Chugging through the sysprefs as we speak :) |
| 13:13 | cait | LeeJ++ :) |
| 13:13 | i started a general review - at the bottom of the list | |
| 13:13 | some things need moving or contain outdated information | |
| 13:13 | hope the notes make sense | |
| 13:14 | LeeJ | cait: they do make sense! Should have most of the prefs done by lunch (i.e. ~2.5 hours from now :) ) |
| 13:15 | cait | wow |
| 13:15 | * LeeJ | is a machine |
| 13:15 | cait | not checking that email account regularly at work - let me know if you want me to review something :) |
| 13:15 | LeeJ | will do! This will be another large merge file instead of a bunch of tiny ones to make your life easier haha |
| 13:16 | magnuse | LeeJ: yup, it worked with your settings and the script! but my customer just wanted to generate from some marc fields, so i'll have to look into that too |
| 13:17 | LeeJ | cait: oh! I know what I forgot to ask! Are there specific "names" for each of the headers in the documentation? Working on writing a style guide to add to the Editing the Manual wiki page but I need to hammer down terminology first :) |
| 13:18 | magnuse: that's great to hear! I'm glad it worked! Though you can thank ByWater as they were the ones who did it for my library and told me how it's done :) | |
| 13:19 | magnuse: perhaps we should document the process somewhere..I feel the process might be useful to others | |
| 13:21 | magnuse | bywater++ |
| 13:21 | LeeJ: yeah, i have thought about adding it to the wiki, just want to make my customer happy first :-) | |
| 13:22 | LeeJ | magnuse: the customer always comes first in our line of work :) |
| 13:28 | Koha's grammar rule about capitalizing the first letter applies to bulleted lists as well, correct? | |
| 13:31 | magnuse | LeeJ: yeah, i think so |
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| 13:31 | magnuse | ¡tcohen! |
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| 13:31 | tcohen | hi! |
| 13:32 | eythian | ⸘tcohen‽ |
| 13:32 | LeeJ | magnuse: okay...and I'm assuming the same with periods? Found strings that need changing in the OPACXSLT sysprefs...they REALLY bother me |
| 13:32 | I'll be filing a bug in a little while...going to see if there are any others while I'm at it | |
| 13:33 | magnuse | periods at the end of bulleted list items? not sure abut that one |
| 13:34 | LeeJ | https://gyazo.com/4f431ffffafa[…]799b43538567d82d3 |
| 13:35 | magnuse: there's a period only in the fourth bulleted item in each syspref... | |
| 13:35 | magnuse | hehe, local consistency is good, then at the very least :-) |
| 13:36 | * magnuse | sprinkles commas around at random |
| 13:36 | * LeeJ | is irrationally irritated and bothered by inconsistency |
| 13:36 | gasps at magnuse | |
| 13:36 | LeeJ | you monster! |
| 13:38 | magnuse: but now the question is...do periods get added to the others? Or remove the period altogether? I can't seem to find any reference on the wiki regarding periods..only spacing and capitalization | |
| 13:38 | magnuse | what is the oxford standard? |
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| 13:39 | LeeJ | hmm..let's see |
| 13:40 | magnuse "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." | |
| 13:40 | magnuse | "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." https://en.oxforddictionaries.[…]ion/bullet-points |
| 13:40 | LeeJ | haha |
| 13:40 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 13:41 | LeeJ | magnuse: my concern is setting a predicent since there does not seem to be a pre-defined Koha grammar rule on periods..it could lead to hundreds/thousands of string changes potentially |
| 13:42 | guess I'll just file a bug and let the chips fall where they may :) | |
| 13:42 | magnuse | +1 |
| 13:43 | LeeJ | hmm...I wonder if there's a regex/grep way of counting how many there are :P |
| 13:50 | cait | LeeJ: capitalization rules should apply generally - i know the manual is an awful mix right now... but we have to start in some direction |
| 13:50 | LeeJ: I think it should apply for headings too | |
| 13:51 | LeeJ: but not sure if that was your earlier question | |
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| 13:51 | LeeJ | cait: my earlier question to you was regarding what each "heading" in gitlab should be referred to as... |
| 13:51 | * magnuse | wabders off to make tacos |
| 13:52 | cait | LeeJ: sorry, not getting it |
| 13:52 | LeeJ | cait: since each heading has a specific character underneath it (apostrophe, etc.) does each have its own term? Or just <h1> <h2> etc? |
| 13:52 | cait | can you explain it a bit differently? |
| 13:53 | LeeJ | trying to think of a clearer explanation |
| 13:53 | cait | maybe an example? |
| 13:54 | LeeJ | so let's take administration.rst as an example |
| 13:54 | Global System Preferences has hyphens underneath it | |
| 13:55 | and Acquisitions has tilde underneath..each signifies a different header tag | |
| 13:55 | cait | oh |
| 13:55 | LeeJ | does that make more sense? |
| 13:55 | cait | are they the same level? |
| 13:55 | LeeJ | no |
| 13:55 | cait | i thought acquisitions is top level and global prefs is under admin |
| 13:56 | it seems to not care | |
| 13:57 | To break longer text up into sections, you use section headers. These are a single line of text (one or more words) with adornment: an underline alone, or an underline and an overline together, in dashes "-----", equals "======", tildes "~~~~~~" or any of the non-alphanumeric characters = - ` : ' " ~ ^ _ * + # < > that you feel comfortable with. | |
| 13:57 | An underline-only adornment is distinct from an overline-and-underline adornment using the same character. The underline/overline must be at least as long as the title text. Be consistent, since all sections marked with the same adornment style are deemed to be at the same level: | |
| 13:58 | hm | |
| 13:58 | so when they are on different levels i tmight be ok, i guess | |
| 13:58 | looking at the sections paragraph here http://docutils.sourceforge.ne[…]t/quickstart.html | |
| 13:58 | i think | |
| 13:58 | possible acqisitions is 1 levesl so tilde and global system preferences is hyphens for 2nd level | |
| 13:59 | looking at the example | |
| 13:59 | LeeJ | cait: I understand that...though from what I'm seeing, each indicates a specific tag |
| 13:59 | cait | to having som enotes about what we use for which level makes sense |
| 13:59 | i think it depends on how you start it | |
| 13:59 | LeeJ | that's what I was getting at in a roundabout way |
| 13:59 | cait | the firxt you use in your document will be connected to the top level |
| 14:00 | sorry, feeling a bit slow today :) | |
| 14:00 | LeeJ | I guess I'll draft it up and let you take a look after I jot it down..my ideas make more sense when they're not swirling around in my head :) |
| 14:01 | cait | ok :) |
| 14:01 | but i think sticking with whatever the conersion tool put us up with is probably good for now | |
| 14:01 | just have to see what that is exactly... | |
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| 14:01 | LeeJ | I'm going to add it to the bottom of the framapad so everything's in one place |
| 14:03 | cait | cool :) |
| 14:03 | we can move it to the wiki later on | |
| 14:04 | LeeJ | mhm! |
| 14:05 | cait | or into the manual |
| 14:05 | still a lot to figure out | |
| 14:05 | LeeJ | I completely agree |
| 14:05 | back to sysprefs for the moment :) | |
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| 14:06 | cait | but it's good to know you are a consistency freak too :) |
| 14:06 | we will get along I tihnk heh | |
| 14:07 | LeeJ | oh my word yes..typos and grammatical inconsistencies make me flip |
| 14:08 | cait | feel free to always correct mine |
| 14:08 | non native speaker writing the manual is a bit of gamble | |
| 14:08 | but doing my bet | |
| 14:08 | best | |
| 14:08 | LeeJ | and you, mine |
| 14:08 | your English is impeccable compared to some I associate with who are native speakers :) | |
| 14:09 | cait | aw :) |
| 14:11 | ashimema | lol |
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| 14:13 | * cait | glares ashimema |
| 14:13 | cait | at... even |
| 14:14 | ashimema | hehe |
| 14:14 | cait | stop laughing, go write documentation! ;) |
| 14:14 | ashimema | I was just thinking "I bet that 'some I associate with who are native speakers'" could easily include me ;) |
| 14:17 | cait | you just talk funny *hides* |
| 14:18 | nah, just a real english accent is almost a bit unusual in the bigger Koha group I guess :) | |
| 14:19 | LeeJ_documenting | ashimema: well I don't believe we've encountered before so I don't think you could be included! |
| 14:19 | * cait | sends cookies to LeeJ_documenting and ashimema |
| 14:19 | LeeJ_documenting | cait: :D |
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| 14:22 | LeeJ_documenting | cait: I just added a quick mockup to the bottom of the framapad if you wish to look it over when you get a chance :) |
| 14:25 | cait: heirarchies are not very fun to design in plain text :) | |
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| 14:29 | cait | LeeJ_documenting: sorry, have to finish something at work now - but will later for sure! |
| 14:30 | LeeJ_documenting | cait: just letting you know! I understand fully :) |
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| 16:37 | ggg | What to do so that a non-librarian user has the option to print a quick receipt in KOHA, thank you very much for your valuable help |
| 16:39 | LeeJ_documenting | hmm... |
| 16:40 | ggg | What to do for a user to print a loan receipt, in koha |
| 16:41 | LeeJ_documenting | ggg: what is the exact problem you're encountering? Is the print option not appearing on a patron record |
| 16:41 | ? | |
| 16:41 | tcohen | ggg: you mean like in a self-checkout box? |
| 16:46 | ggg | In the users my idea is that the option to print receipt, with the format of the receipts ISSUEQSLIP |
| 16:48 | LeeJ_documenting | well if this is for patrons (customers) do you have a self-checkout setup? Or are librarians/staff members the only ones who perform the checkout? |
| 16:49 | ggg | for customers |
| 16:49 | tcohen | ggg: you need to provide more info, otherwise it's hard to say |
| 16:50 | can u explain what the checkout workflow woul dbe? | |
| 16:50 | you should start by mentioning what page/screen who will be facing | |
| 16:53 | * LeeJ_documenting | shrugs |
| 16:54 | tcohen | yeah, well |
| 16:55 | * LeeJ_documenting | goes back to the bowels of the manual |
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| 17:00 | tcohen | @later tell mveron ping |
| 17:00 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:04 | LeeJ_documenting | @later tell cait I submitted another merge request. This one covers the remaining 15 sysprefs added in 16.11..I'll work on the sysprefs for 17.05 between tonight and tomorrow |
| 17:04 | huginn | LeeJ_documenting: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:26 | LeeJ_documenting | before I forget..kidclamp++ for working with barton to improve the unit test wiki page :) |
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| 17:51 | barton | kidclamp++ |
| 17:51 | kidclamp | barton++ |
| 17:51 | :-) | |
| 17:54 | * LeeJ | enjoys all the incremental love |
| 17:57 | kidclamp | LeeJ++ |
| 17:57 | LeeJ++ | |
| 17:57 | for doing quite a lot | |
| 17:58 | LeeJ | kidclamp: I appreciate it but compared to each of you I've done hardly anything! haha |
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| 18:00 | LeeJ | how would one go about setting up SIP2 for dev purposes? It appears 3M's SIP emulator is non-existent |
| 18:03 | I guess it would help to read the SIP2 documentation before I go asking questions ;) | |
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| 18:08 | oleonard | LeeJ: Like you said... incremental. |
| 18:09 | LeeJ | kidclamp: so it appears ALL of the nightly builds are failed currently.. |
| 18:09 | kidclamp: it had been just master | |
| 18:17 | Not sure who maintains the wiki page, but the link on the Setting Up SIP page is dead https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]P_and_3M_machines | |
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| 18:18 | oleonard | LeeJ: You maintain it! |
| 18:19 | LeeJ | oleonard: haha then should it just be marked with a strikethrough? |
| 18:21 | oleonard | Could maybe check archive.org, although it's not working for me at the moment. |
| 18:22 | Otherwise a strikethrough is probably a good solution | |
| 18:23 | LeeJ | waybackmachine can't even query the page because the account was deleted |
| 18:23 | strikethrough it is :) | |
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| 18:34 | * cait | waves |
| 18:35 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 18:35 | cait | LeeJ: takinmg a look at the merge request now :) |
| 18:35 | LeeJ | cait: sweet :) |
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| 19:03 | cait | LeeJ: got a question :) |
| 19:03 | for XSLTListDisplay you wrote 'In previous versions of Koha this was the setting that read | |
| 19:03 | 'normally'' | |
| 19:03 | can you explain? | |
| 19:05 | tired brain today | |
| 19:05 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:06 | cait | i think it's me - i am slow today |
| 19:06 | merged it in! | |
| 19:06 | LeeJ | sorry haha just got back! was afk |
| 19:07 | I can edit it later if necessary :) | |
| 19:08 | I had actually put that in there because the other two XSLT options had mirrored statements..I figured might as well keep consistency | |
| 19:10 | cait | ah |
| 19:10 | ok | |
| 19:10 | yeah slow brian | |
| 19:11 | nothing else stood out - seemed all ok | |
| 19:11 | LeeJ | okay :) |
| 19:11 | I noted in the framapad about replacing that fines pref completely FYI | |
| 19:16 | cait | hm? |
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| 19:30 | LeeJ | cait: replaced RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn with RefundLostOnReturnControl because it appears to have replaced it since I can't find a bug that said otherwise and they appear to be virtually identical in functionality..can you confirm? |
| 19:38 | cait | yep i think you are right |
| 19:38 | good trick is to search bugzilla with ALL | |
| 19:38 | like ALL RefundLostOnReturnControl | |
| 19:38 | it will also turn up closed bugs | |
| 19:39 | bug 14048 is it | |
| 19:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14048 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Change RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn to be branch specific |
| 19:44 | LeeJ | didn't know that trick :) |
| 19:45 | glad I guessed right ;) | |
| 19:45 | cait | good work about the headings :) |
| 19:46 | that makes more sense now | |
| 19:46 | we just closed a ton of bugs from 16.11 - so they are a bit harder to find without the bug number | |
| 19:46 | LeeJ++ | |
| 19:47 | laundry.. bbiab | |
| 19:47 | LeeJ | have fun! I'll be leaving shortly myself |
| 19:48 | oleonard | Oh speaking of leaving... |
| 19:48 | cait | have a nice evening! |
| 19:49 | and oleonard escaped again without giving us a chance to wish him a good evening. tsk | |
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| 20:52 | LeeJ | take care all! Might be on later :) |
| 20:52 | * LeeJ | waves |
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| 21:18 | francharb | Hi |
| 21:18 | Has anyone experienced issues with fines when updating to 16.05 | |
| 21:18 | ? | |
| 21:19 | We upgraded the most of our clients to 16.05 | |
| 21:20 | At least two has now issues | |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | what kind of problem? |
| 21:21 | francharb^ | |
| 21:22 | francharb | the amount the patron has to pay is negative |
| 21:22 | I have no idea how to reproduce the issue | |
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| 21:23 | francharb | I was just checking if anybody else has had the same issue... |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | i havent seen that issue |
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| 21:24 | wizzyrea | but I did see an issue that had to do with incomplete issuing rules doing weird things applying fines |
| 21:24 | I don't *think* it would end up with them being negative | |
| 21:25 | and I don't know for sure if it's new behavior | |
| 21:25 | but on your two that have problems | |
| 21:25 | I'd check the rules and make sure they're not doing something weirdly complex | |
| 21:26 | francharb | thanks @wizzyrea |
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