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| 05:23 | josef_moravec | morning koha |
| 05:23 | happy Bug squashing day ;) | |
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| 05:42 | cait | :) |
| 05:42 | morning #koha | |
| 05:53 | dilan | afternoon cait from australia |
| 05:54 | cait | morning from Germany |
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| 06:16 | * magnuse | waves from norway |
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| 06:30 | fridolin | hie people |
| 06:30 | and wahanui | |
| 06:30 | :D | |
| 06:35 | magnuse | hiya fridolin |
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| 06:36 | fridolin | magnuse: bonjour monsieur |
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| 06:53 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:59 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:05 | magnuse | ooh gbsd! |
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| 07:13 | ashimema | indeed.. |
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| 07:40 | * magnuse | is drowning in busy |
| 07:42 | * cait | suggests swimmies :) |
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| 07:46 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:46 | wahanui | que tal, gaetan_B |
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| 08:39 | eythian | hi |
| 08:39 | wahanui | salut, eythian |
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| 09:16 | atheia | Good morning Koha on this wonderful GBSD! |
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| 09:18 | mveron | Hi @koha |
| 09:18 | Hi #koha :-) | |
| 09:26 | josef_moravec | hi mveron |
| 09:27 | mveron | hi josef_morravec , thanks for so'ing bug 18550 |
| 09:27 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18550 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Patron card creator: Print output does not respect layout units |
| 09:27 | josef_moravec | mveron: not at all ;) |
| 09:28 | mveron | Oh, I misspelled your name... |
| 09:28 | * mveron | should put his glasses |
| 09:29 | josef_moravec | mveron: ;) |
| 09:31 | alex_a | mveron: autocompetion is your friend :) |
| 09:31 | mveron | competition? :-) |
| 09:32 | alex_a | mveron: most of irc client are able to do that |
| 09:32 | start by typing "jo" and press tab key | |
| 09:33 | oops | |
| 09:33 | autocompletion :D not competion | |
| 09:33 | mveron | :-) |
| 09:34 | magnuse | that cron problem i talked about yesterday? it might be related to this line in /etc/crontab: 555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 7 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
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| 09:35 | * kidclamp | waves |
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| 09:37 | magnuse | kia ora kidclamp |
| 09:37 | kidclamp | hi magnuse |
| 09:37 | wahanui | kamelåså |
| 09:37 | magnuse | yay! |
| 09:37 | * mveron | searches ChatZilla help for autocompletion |
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| 09:40 | dcook | Boo XML::SAX::PurePerl |
| 09:41 | I now see why misc/sax_parser_print.pl recommends XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser even if Koha doesn't actually use XML::SAX anymore... | |
| 09:41 | For hours... I could not figure out my encoding problem | |
| 09:41 | And it was just that. Using the wrong SAX parser backend. | |
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| 09:41 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 09:42 | kidclamp | nice work on RDF stuff dcook, it sounds like things are coming together |
| 09:43 | mveron | Ok, two tabs... |
| 09:43 | dcook | Oh yes. I'm quite pleased :) |
| 09:43 | Fixed my encoding issues just now... fixed a bug in RDF::Trine. I was chatting to its author a bit over the past few hours as well | |
| 09:43 | He's going to look at pushing that in. | |
| 09:43 | I still have to look at the Debian version to see if it's buggy.. | |
| 09:43 | The author also suggested trying Attean | |
| 09:43 | But considering how far I've come now.. | |
| 09:44 | * mveron | waves to drojf and cait |
| 09:47 | * cait | waves back |
| 09:52 | * mveron | is called |
| 09:53 | eythian | hi dcook |
| 09:53 | drojf | hi mveron |
| 09:53 | oh too late | |
| 09:53 | eythian | oh, and drojf |
| 09:53 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 09:53 | wahanui | drojf++ |
| 09:53 | drojf | ha |
| 09:53 | hi dcook, odd time to see you | |
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| 09:59 | dcook | drojf: Yeah I've been working late lately |
| 09:59 | heya eythian | |
| 09:59 | Homeless at the moment, so I should be house hunting online, but checking up on work instead | |
| 09:59 | Work is preferable to house hunting >_> | |
| 10:10 | magnuse | dcook: maybe not in the long run? ;-) |
| 10:12 | dcook | Hehe. No, not in the long run. |
| 10:12 | Doing a bit of looking now. | |
| 10:12 | I'm glad I worked out all my issues with RDF::Trine though | |
| 10:13 | Btw, have you had a chance to work on the RDF stuff, magnuse? | |
| 10:13 | I think I have all the conceptual stuff worked out on my side, but still need to write a bit of non-hardcoded coded | |
| 10:15 | magnuse | i have not had the time, no |
| 10:16 | but i have to put in a real effort very soon | |
| 10:16 | dcook | Okies |
| 10:16 | I'm hoping to do more work tomorrow. What would be a good way to share with you? | |
| 10:16 | magnuse | good to hear that your import stuff is coming togehter, i thnk it will be easier for me if that is more or less settled |
| 10:16 | dcook | Yeah, I think so too |
| 10:17 | magnuse | hm, chat about it here, if you work late |
| 10:17 | or just email to the rdf list is good | |
| 10:17 | dcook | Ok |
| 10:17 | In terms of code? | |
| 10:17 | magnuse | i have not even read the last emails, just marked them for reading |
| 10:17 | dcook | I'm thinking of making a little module for connecting to the triplestore and for adding triples for Koha records |
| 10:17 | Ah fair enough. There's a lot of content, as I've been up to a lot! | |
| 10:18 | Now that I've resolved the RDF::Trine issues, I'm hoping to make huge leaps tomorrow | |
| 10:18 | magnuse | yay |
| 10:18 | that module sounds handy | |
| 10:19 | if you do that i can spend my time elsewhere | |
| 10:19 | (eslwhere on koha and rdf, that is) | |
| 10:28 | dcook | Yeah that's what I was thinking |
| 10:28 | I need it for my work anyway, so I may as well share it | |
| 10:28 | I might make a Bugzilla issue and attach patches to that and you can pull in from there | |
| 10:31 | magnuse | excellent! |
| 10:35 | atheia around? | |
| 10:35 | atheia | yup! sup? |
| 10:40 | magnuse | ah, i had an ill question |
| 10:40 | let's see | |
| 10:41 | basically it was this: I'm on the detail view of an ill request. can i use the graph thingy to define a button that i can click, and after clicking it some code in a sub is run and then i'm returned back to the detail view? | |
| 10:42 | i tried to do that, but ran into some problem | |
| 10:42 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 10:42 | magnuse | and i can't quite recall the details now |
| 10:42 | * cait | waves |
| 10:42 | magnuse | hiya Joubu |
| 10:45 | dcook | Oh, if people have ILL details, I'd love to forward things on, since we do a ton of ILL here |
| 10:46 | We thought about doing ISOILL stuff ages ago but I think it was a defunct project? | |
| 10:46 | * dcook | waves to cait and Joubu |
| 10:47 | atheia | dcook: check out bug 7317 |
| 10:47 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC |
| 10:47 | atheia | If you have questions about any of that, feel free to poke me! |
| 10:48 | magnuse yeah, I definitely think that should be possible. | |
| 10:48 | I mean that's kind of the point of the status_graph interface. | |
| 10:48 | Do you remember what the specific problems were? was it to do with just returning to the details screen? | |
| 10:48 | Or did it fall over in the calling a custom sub bit? | |
| 10:50 | * cait | waves to dcook |
| 10:51 | * atheia | waves at cait |
| 10:53 | * cait | waves at atheia |
| 10:54 | magnuse | atheia: yeah, there was something abut returning to the detail view |
| 10:54 | i'll try and reproduce | |
| 10:55 | atheia | OK — there's a magic line of code you want to add to the return value of the sub in the backend for that. |
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| 10:56 | atheia | magnuse: see Dummy Backend /Base.pm line 79 |
| 10:57 | magnuse | commit? |
| 10:57 | wahanui | commit is, like, a7f7aeb138b8275448937102cb7a46cf49530aef |
| 10:57 | atheia | the return value key is 'next'; setting it to 'illview' should return the user to the details screen; setting it to 'illlist' (which it defaults to if unspecified) returns to the list table. |
| 10:57 | Joubu | atheia++ # for fixing my English ;) |
| 10:58 | atheia | np, glad it was helpful. |
| 10:58 | magnuse | atheia: ah, that might be the bit i was missing |
| 10:58 | atheia | Erm… magnuse sorry, can't point to a specific commit. But check out the file, there's some documentation. |
| 10:58 | good | |
| 10:58 | :-) | |
| 10:59 | magnuse | yeah, my file had "commit" on that line :-) |
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| 11:01 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:01 | atheia | ah, sorry, misunderstood! |
| 11:02 | magnuse | hm, that is weird... |
| 11:02 | i have two requests in the db, but they do not show up at all in the gui | |
| 11:02 | with the latest patches | |
| 11:02 | i just see "Toggle additional columns: and "Reset toggled columns" | |
| 11:03 | atheia | ooh, so the table is not visible either? |
| 11:04 | magnuse | nope |
| 11:04 | atheia | That sounds like an API issue, and it sounds familiar… |
| 11:04 | I presume you're not using the db admin user account? | |
| 11:04 | magnuse | console says "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot convert undefined or null to object" |
| 11:04 | nope, regular superuser | |
| 11:05 | i do get a 200 ok response from the api | |
| 11:05 | atheia | What backend have these requests been added by? |
| 11:07 | Could you temporarily switch to clean ill tables, then retest (you should get an empty table); then add a request using Dummy? to test whether it might be due to changes in the way request data is stored & re-loaded in the last few commits? | |
| 11:07 | magnuse | they were added by NNCIPP |
| 11:07 | will do | |
| 11:07 | dcook | Cool, atheia. My boss has written ILL systems used around the country, so I wonder how we might use this module too.. |
| 11:07 | atheia | magnuse: thank you! |
| 11:08 | dcook: ooh, sounds very interesting! | |
| 11:08 | yeah, it'd be really interesting to see how we could integrate a backend for that! | |
| 11:08 | Definitely happy to help explore that. | |
| 11:09 | magnuse | hm, interesting, i deleted the requests and now i see just the table header, with Author, Title, Borrower |
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| 11:09 | dcook | atheia: Sweet. I just sent him an email :). |
| 11:09 | magnuse | but not the stuff that is usually shown around the tables |
| 11:09 | kia ora oha | |
| 11:11 | atheia | magnuse yeah s'what I'm getting too… there seems to be some iffyness in the js that might be causing that. But that sounds "correct" in terms of you adding a new Dummy request |
| 11:11 | It should display ok… | |
| 11:11 | magnuse | ok, i'm adding a dummy request now |
| 11:12 | oha | o/ |
| 11:13 | magnuse | ah, the Dummy request shows ok, so there is something in the NNCIPP stuff, then probably |
| 11:15 | atheia | Yeah — but you could try just addding an NNCIPP one — it might be that the code just stores and reloads differently somehow. |
| 11:15 | Sorry about the API instability! | |
| 11:16 | oha | atheia, magnuse: can i help? i guess it is about ILL |
| 11:16 | atheia | oha: yeah it is, it is about the ILLModule that hopefully will be integrated into Koha in the next version |
| 11:16 | magnuse | atheia: too early for API immobility :-) |
| 11:17 | atheia | Not sure if you can help though, as it is internal to that module's code, rather than ILL standards 'n stuff in general… |
| 11:17 | magnuse | oha: first question is: can you see any requests on <intra>/cgi-bin/koha/ill/ill-requests.pl |
| 11:17 | atheia | But if you have ILL experience, I would love your opinion on the module! |
| 11:17 | bug 7317, for reference. | |
| 11:17 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC |
| 11:17 | magnuse | oha and i are collaborating on the NNCIPP code :-) |
| 11:18 | oha | atheia: no experience, but i was working with magnuse on making it run |
| 11:18 | atheia | Oooh yeah, nice! |
| 11:18 | oha | i haven't applied any new patches |
| 11:18 | atheia | oha++ :-) |
| 11:18 | magnuse | yeah oha++ |
| 11:18 | oha | magnuse: is doing most of it |
| 11:18 | i'm just the whip here! | |
| 11:19 | * magnuse | hopes to offload as much as possible on oha ;-) |
| 11:19 | atheia | haha, division of labour battles :-) |
| 11:20 | magnuse | atheia: problem in one of you latest patches, commit c3d2dea178bad510116ffbd96b83942b13facf10 |
| 11:20 | you did "+use Koha::Illrequest;" in Koha/Illrequest.pm | |
| 11:21 | oha | i'm actually having some problems here, will fix and get back |
| 11:21 | magnuse | it should be "+use Koha::IllrequestS;", if i am not mistaken |
| 11:22 | Joubu | singulars should not use plurals |
| 11:23 | atheia | magnuse: sorry, don't have that commit reference (we might have a different master branch that we applied the patches to) What's the patch on bugzilla? Or alternatively, file and line? |
| 11:23 | magnuse | ah, sorry |
| 11:24 | atheia: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=63090 | |
| 11:25 | i'm seeing: Can't locate object method "search" via package "Koha::Illrequests" (perhaps you forgot to load "Koha::Illrequests"?) | |
| 11:25 | Joubu: really? | |
| 11:25 | wahanui | really is more trouble than she's worth. |
| 11:26 | * magnuse | thought that was druthb_away ;-) |
| 11:26 | Joubu | I do not look at the code, so hard to say |
| 11:26 | atheia | omg, you are totally right! that is a definite mistake. |
| 11:26 | dcook | All right. I better go home. 9:26pm is too late to stuff at the office. |
| 11:26 | * dcook | waves |
| 11:27 | Joubu | kidclamp_away: really away? (you submit patches!) |
| 11:27 | magnuse | happy hunting dcook! |
| 11:27 | atheia | Ah Joubu, so you are saying that a Koha/Illrequest should not have a "use Koha::Illrequests"? |
| 11:27 | What's the reason? | |
| 11:27 | wahanui | i think the reason is i want to relearn about koha 3.2 |
| 11:27 | atheia | magnuse, does adding the s fix the error? |
| 11:29 | magnuse | yup |
| 11:29 | Joubu | atheia: plural needs singular |
| 11:29 | if you use plural from singular you are adding a circ deps | |
| 11:29 | from pl, the plurals must be used, even if you are only using singular | |
| 11:31 | atheia | You're right… there would be circular dep. |
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| 11:32 | atheia | magnuse: I'm not even able to reproduce the error… what file is causing the error for you? Is it the NNCIPP backend file? |
| 11:32 | (i.e. are you able to use the module when not using the NNCIP backend? | |
| 11:32 | ) | |
| 11:32 | magnuse | ah, maybe i'm doing something wrong |
| 11:32 | it's in NCIPServer - a separate project | |
| 11:33 | where i "use Koha::Illrequest;" - maybe i should use the plural? | |
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| 11:34 | atheia | Yeah, try importing both there and see if it works then. |
| 11:34 | Joubu | jajm: around? |
| 11:34 | magnuse | i changed my code to "use Koha::Illrequests;" and removed the whole "use Koha::Illrequests;" line from Koha::Illrequest.pm and it works! |
| 11:35 | jajm | Joubu, hi |
| 11:35 | Joubu | jajm: you pushed 17818 to 3.22, but it was marked as dup as 17817 that is not in 3.22 |
| 11:35 | why did not you push 17817 then? :) | |
| 11:36 | atheia | Ah neat :-) |
| 11:36 | So I can probably revert that commit in the next rebase. | |
| 11:36 | jajm | Joubu, 17817 depends on 13501 (enh) that is not in 3.22.x |
| 11:37 | magnuse | atheia: looks like it :-) |
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| 11:39 | Joubu | jajm: hum ok. There is something weird (2 bug reports opened at the same time for 2 different bug very close bugs) but I do not want to look at this code anymore :p |
| 11:39 | jajm | Joubu, and they're not really duplicates according to comments, 17817 is about a JS error while 17818's error happen after saving record |
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| 11:42 | Joubu | yep, sorry :) Too many bugs with the ~same title at the same time |
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| 11:48 | oleonard | Happy GBSD, #koha |
| 11:48 | jajm | Joubu, about bug 18066 (Hea v2), this is clearly an enhancement but you said "this is ready to be backported". Will hea stop working without these patches ? |
| 11:48 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Hea - Version 2 |
| 11:49 | Joubu | nope |
| 11:49 | but we need to collect new info | |
| 11:49 | We need it in all stable releases | |
| 11:49 | and really would like it into the last 3.22.x | |
| 11:49 | but you are the boss ;) | |
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| 11:51 | jajm | ok, i hope this will apply cleanly :) |
| 11:54 | Joubu | it will, or very small conflict |
| 11:57 | atheia | oleonard happy GBSD! :-) |
| 11:57 | btw, if anyone has a specific bug they want me to look at, feel free to poke me! In the meantime, I'll be poking around bugzilla in general. | |
| 11:57 | * oleonard | too ^^ |
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| 12:01 | Joubu | atheia: https://frama.link/Koha_GBSD_bugs |
| 12:02 | And of course the link is wrong, the sort should be on severity | |
| 12:02 | but the bug list is correct | |
| 12:03 | I have also shared a new bz search "Patches for GBSD" you can add to your footer | |
| 12:03 | atheia | aha, amazing — cheers Joubu! (This is why you were voted RM :-D ) |
| 12:04 | oleonard | I thought it was the bribes (oops, I wasn't supposed to mention the bribes) |
| 12:05 | Joubu | if a QAer is familier with course reserve, please take a look at bug 10382 |
| 12:05 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10382 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , collection not returning to null when removed from course reserves |
| 12:05 | Joubu | oleonard: no you was not... |
| 12:05 | magnuse | atheia: new problem, the NNCIPP requests are still not displayin. the api gives a 500. i see this in the koha error log: DBIC result _type isn't of the _type Borrower at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/REST/V1/Illrequests.pm line 50., referer: http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/[…]l/ill-requests.pl |
| 12:05 | does that ring any bells? | |
| 12:06 | Joubu | magnuse: check the Koha::Singular->_type |
| 12:07 | kidclamp | I am back now Joubu |
| 12:07 | atheia | That suggest that the data stored in the db for the borower column is not a valid borrwernumber… |
| 12:08 | (is my first intuition) | |
| 12:08 | magnuse | Koha::Singular? |
| 12:08 | atheia | Would you be able to manually verify the borrowernumber associated with the request by selecting for it in the borrowers table? |
| 12:08 | magnuse | ah, the borrowernumber is indeed null |
| 12:09 | oha | atheia: i have 2 local patches for ILL here, from some weeks ago. one is the "use Koha::Illrequests" you already know, another is adding a check on row.metadata in ill-requests.tt around lines 36 and 45 |
| 12:09 | magnuse | great intuition! |
| 12:09 | atheia | Right, I think unfortunately we couldn't enforce db integrity with a constraint there because it is in theory possible at some points for a request to not have a borrower. |
| 12:09 | magnuse | yup |
| 12:09 | barton | happy GBSD, #koha! |
| 12:09 | magnuse | makes sense |
| 12:09 | atheia | So unfortunately that constraint has to be enforced in code (i.e. Backends). |
| 12:10 | magnuse | the good old "foreign key or null data type" |
| 12:10 | atheia | lol yeah that's it :-) |
| 12:10 | * ashimema | sets up a fake record for those sorts of things now ;) |
| 12:10 | magnuse | so then just have to figure out why the borrowernumber is null. that is my faul, though |
| 12:10 | atheia | oha: interesting. I think magnuse and I just decided the use Koha::Illrequests; might not be necessary (it's in koha::Illrequest right?). |
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| 12:11 | magnuse | oha: yeah, we should be use'ing Koha::Illrequests, not the singular of that |
| 12:11 | atheia | ashimema interesting idea — so we might have a dummy patron record that we use in the scenarios where patron would otherwise be null, and then use db constraints? |
| 12:12 | The other patch sounds sensible. Any chance you could paste it somewhere or upload it to the bug for discussion? | |
| 12:12 | Joubu | Sounds like it is more ILLD than GBSD :D |
| 12:12 | magnuse | sorry about that |
| 12:12 | oha | atheia: i had to add it, or it wouldn't work. can't remember why |
| 12:12 | magnuse | working on future bugs ;-) |
| 12:13 | oha | atheia, magnuse: yes, in Koha/Illrequest.pm |
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| 12:15 | Joubu | kidclamp: I let you a note on the bug, but I do not know if it is understandable... |
| 12:15 | atheia | OK, because Joubu pointed out the issue with circular deps (illrequest would depend on illrequests and illrequests on illrequest), I would like to avoid it. Could you try loading illrequests in the pl or pm that you develop to see if it solves the problem? |
| 12:15 | I may have to move the procedure in illrequest.pm that uses illrequests->search… :-/ | |
| 12:16 | kidclamp | understandable Joubu - just either needs someone who speaks better english than I, or a much longer note in a modal or something |
| 12:16 | magnuse | atheia: if i do use Koha::Illrequests; in my .pm it works |
| 12:17 | oha | atheia: yes, makes sense. I haven't patched mine with your latest changes, will do a new round without my fixes and give you feedback then, it will make more sense then |
| 12:17 | magnuse | (and if i supply a valid cardnumber *facepalm*) |
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| 12:21 | atheia | oha cheers! |
| 12:25 | Joubu | Everybody read https://mensuel.framapad.org/p[…]k_force_Koha_1711 right? |
| 12:26 | marcelr | Joubu: i do not really understand what you are going to// |
| 12:27 | Joubu | hum? |
| 12:28 | marcelr | what is the goal of this task force? |
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| 12:33 | Joubu | please re-read the proposal |
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| 12:37 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:37 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
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| 12:42 | josef_moravec_ | Joubu++ |
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| 13:01 | tcohen | Joubu? |
| 13:01 | wahanui | rumour has it Joubu is not sure how to fix that correctly |
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| 13:02 | kidclamp | meeting time! |
| 13:02 | wahanui | meeting time is, like, always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 13:02 | Joubu | yep |
| 13:02 | barton | ^^ this is why we shouldn't listen to rumors... Joubu *always* knows how to fix it correctly ;-) |
| 13:03 | Joubu | it depends if it is related to acq... |
| 13:03 | barton | Joubu++ |
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| 13:04 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal |
| 13:04 | huginn_ | Meeting started Wed May 10 13:04:20 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal) | |
| 13:04 | huginn_ | The meeting name has been set to 'special_meeting_for_koha_task_force_proposal' |
| 13:04 | kidclamp | #topic Introuductions |
| 13:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introuductions (Meeting topic: Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal) | |
| 13:04 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 13:04 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 13:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal) | |
| 13:04 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 13:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi |
| 13:04 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions |
| 13:04 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutios |
| 13:04 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville KY |
| 13:04 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 13:05 | LibraryClaire1 | #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:05 | atheia | #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, Brussels |
| 13:05 | Joubu | ok |
| 13:05 | will try to be quick, do not need to talk about that for hours | |
| 13:05 | the link is https://mensuel.framapad.org/p[…]k_force_Koha_1711 | |
| 13:06 | I hope everybody took a look :) | |
| 13:06 | The goal of the emails is to | |
| 13:06 | kidclamp | #topic Koha Taskforce Proposal |
| 13:06 | Topic for #koha is now Koha Taskforce Proposal (Meeting topic: Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal) | |
| 13:06 | Joubu | 1. build a task force to |
| 13:06 | a. Who is available for the next 6 months, how much time? | |
| 13:06 | kidclamp | #link https://mensuel.framapad.org/p[…]k_force_Koha_1711 Proposed emails |
| 13:06 | Joubu | b. recruit new contributors |
| 13:06 | josef_moravec_ | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal library Ústí nad Orlicí |
| 13:06 | Joubu | c. Tell (again) people we are ready to help anybody willing to be involved |
| 13:07 | and also to | |
| 13:07 | 2. know the needs/goals/expectations of everyone to | |
| 13:07 | a. write the goals for the next release | |
| 13:07 | b. make people with the same needs working together | |
| 13:07 | c. coordinate and assign tasks | |
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| 13:07 | jajm | #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre |
| 13:07 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions |
| 13:07 | Joubu | With this meeting I'd like to make sure everybody more or less agrees on the wording and the "method" |
| 13:08 | I see at least 3 questions: | |
| 13:08 | francharb | #info Francois Charbonnier inlibro |
| 13:08 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 13:08 | blou | #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro |
| 13:08 | Joubu | 1. What would be a good email subject to catch people's attention? |
| 13:08 | 2. Please read up to the end | |
| 13:08 | 3. Send email to mailing list contributors? or just the ML? | |
| 13:08 | The goal was to customize the email to make it more "attractive"? | |
| 13:08 | your turn :) | |
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| 13:09 | tcohen | I'm not sure it will work, but it is certaintly something we can try |
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| 13:10 | tcohen | also, it is not a bad idea for a RM to know what is the minimum |
| 13:10 | barton | I'm definitely willing to give it the good-old-college try. |
| 13:10 | tcohen | help they can have |
| 13:11 | khall | I also don't know if it will have much success but I don't think it'll hurt. I think targeting companies and independent devs will yield the greatest results, but this has no cost so it can't hurt! |
| 13:11 | Joubu | what will not work? |
| 13:11 | talljoy | i think that it is a bit vague. |
| 13:11 | khall | getting mailing listers to volunteer time |
| 13:11 | talljoy | if you want to reach non contributors, perhaps outlining some specifics? |
| 13:11 | - test patches (1 hour week) | |
| 13:12 | - engage in meetings (2 hour month) | |
| 13:12 | etc? | |
| 13:12 | khall | I'm sure we could set up some workshops for how to test patches |
| 13:12 | using kohadevbox or a vm of some kind | |
| 13:12 | atheia | I think it is worth the RM knowing to what extent new people might be interested to help but feel intimidated. The RM can then try to create coaching infrastructure if there is sufficient interest… |
| 13:12 | talljoy | i don't (generally) like to sign up for a task force with unknown duties/actions |
| 13:12 | kidclamp | I think if the goal is to collect names/contact and then specifically send individual requests for help may be effective - can YOU help with this vs. can ANYONE help with this |
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| 13:12 | tcohen | kidclamp is right |
| 13:13 | khall | I think kidclamp is right, a email sent to the mailing list is more likely to be ignored |
| 13:13 | talljoy | yes that ^ |
| 13:13 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:13 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France |
| 13:13 | tcohen | my doubt was about companies |
| 13:14 | Joubu | As I said there are several goals. The main one is to get the "core team", the existing one, but with number of hours available, needs, etc. |
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| 13:14 | Joubu | Then the "new contributors" |
| 13:14 | cait | i would not send emai to contributors |
| 13:14 | fridolin | for me the RM can use my buisiness email adresse when needed, no pb |
| 13:14 | cait | but that might be a german thing - they have not 'opted in' to receive emails from us |
| 13:15 | Joubu | patch contributors or ML contributors? |
| 13:15 | cait | for mailing list... might be more expected, but still appears a bit odd (sorry have not quite finished reading back) |
| 13:15 | patch contribs mostly | |
| 13:16 | Joubu | For patch contributors, It's 50 persons, we know almost all of them basicall |
| 13:16 | LibraryClaire | I would be cautious of sending it to mailing list contributors directly as if they aren't expecting mails in this way it may discourage from contributing more |
| 13:16 | cait | would have thought the list is a big longer |
| 13:16 | with academy students etc | |
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| 13:17 | tcohen | I respectfuly disagree, I think knowing the RM adn the team are interested on their contributions would be encouraging |
| 13:17 | Joubu | "patch contributors" are contributors than do not have an @ with the company url in it |
| 13:18 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 13:18 | khall | LibraryClaire has a point that had ocurred to me. Some people may be a bit offended by that use of mailing list emails |
| 13:18 | Joubu | jajmbiblibre.com is not listed as a patch contributor, because his boss will receive the mail |
| 13:19 | cait | I like the idea, but it might be difficult to get people to fill out a form |
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| 13:19 | cait | it depends on who you target |
| 13:19 | Joubu | I do not force anybody, if they do not, they do not |
| 13:19 | cait | the devs will understand the technical list of goals, mailing lit people probably won't |
| 13:20 | or a much smaller part of them | |
| 13:20 | kidclamp | I think we can discuss effectiveness a lot, I think we just need to decide should we send the emails? then answer wording questions |
| 13:20 | Joubu | I target: 1. regular devs (for the "task force") - task assignement, goal definition, etc. |
| 13:20 | cait | signing up for hours might also be difficult for some, depending on where you work etc. |
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| 13:20 | Joubu | and 2. new contributor: "I want to help but do not know when/what/how" |
| 13:20 | talljoy | cait then they sign up for 0-1 hours |
| 13:20 | khall | Joubu: sounds good |
| 13:20 | Joubu | other: "Koha rocks, but I'd like it to do that" |
| 13:21 | "I do not have time, but please do it" | |
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| 13:21 | talljoy | to riff on what kidclamp says, if we don't do this, we don't get new people. It may be effective in the end. |
| 13:21 | but it may not be and then we know not to do it again. :D | |
| 13:21 | Joubu | The goal is not to do it every month/year |
| 13:22 | it's a one shoot | |
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| 13:22 | Joubu | that's why I do not think it will hurt to contact people once |
| 13:22 | oleonard | I don't think we should ask people to "sign up" for hours but maybe "pledge" hours. |
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| 13:22 | kidclamp | oleonard++ |
| 13:22 | ashimema | ooh.. |
| 13:22 | talljoy | things that are 'effective' often get tried again and again. |
| 13:22 | * ashimema | reads back |
| 13:22 | Joubu | the number of hours is just to get an idea |
| 13:23 | I will not track anybody :) | |
| 13:23 | just 'ok for 1h/week' is not the same as 'more or less 30h/month' | |
| 13:23 | LibraryClaire | would it be an idea to 'offer' introductions to different basics or suggest some Q&A times that people could "attend" if interested? that may seem less intimidating for a general mailing list message |
| 13:23 | atheia | Yeah, I reckon we might have to send emails to support companies & the mailing list only — then add a field in the form asking people whether they would be happy to be contacted for this kind of initiative. |
| 13:24 | Joubu | LibraryClaire: Q&A about what? |
| 13:25 | patch contribution, signoff? | |
| 13:25 | setup a devbox? | |
| 13:25 | talljoy | yes that kind of thing |
| 13:25 | Joubu | or less technical you meant? |
| 13:25 | atheia | LibraryClaire I think that would be super awesome, but I think it would make sense to organise that because we know there is an interest in particular subjects — rather than having open sessions that may well not always be attended. |
| 13:25 | talljoy | and even how to write documentation |
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| 13:25 | Joubu | ok, I have something in mind, I will dev a kind of "how to" |
| 13:25 | a tutorial to write a patch correctly, following the coding guidelines, send a patch, signoff | |
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| 13:26 | LibraryClaire1 | sorry pidgin hates me today |
| 13:26 | Joubu | with some script checking that the new dev is doing correct things |
| 13:26 | khall | Joubu: i think greatly expanding the sandboxes may help with that. I've been thinking about creating a new sandbox archtecture if you are interested in that |
| 13:26 | talljoy | you and cait both! welcome back LibraryClaire1 |
| 13:26 | LibraryClaire1 | Joubu, yes intro to sandboxes etc, bugzilla etc |
| 13:26 | atheia, yes I agree it would require some coordination/volunteer for a topic | |
| 13:26 | perhaps for further down the line then | |
| 13:27 | Joubu | khall: yes sure |
| 13:27 | The point is not "how to help new contributors", but "how to find them" ;) | |
| 13:27 | kidclamp | #info Khall is interested in creating a new sandbox structure to make patch testing even easier |
| 13:27 | Joubu | I have ideas about the "how to help them", but that is another topic |
| 13:28 | kidclamp | #info Suggestion to hold "Q&A" sessions in the future for Sing-Offs, Dev, etc to help get people started |
| 13:28 | LibraryClaire1 | Joubu, yes, but I was thinking if people had something concrete to sign up to or "attend" it might make it easier |
| 13:28 | it might not :) | |
| 13:28 | atheia | Joubu, right and I think that cannot be fully automated, which is why I am in favour of creating 'points of contact' for people, like with this form that you are proposing… |
| 13:28 | cait1 | maybe a mentoring thing? |
| 13:28 | someone who will answer questions by email etc. | |
| 13:28 | talljoy | ooooo i like that |
| 13:28 | atheia | cait1 yeah, mentoring is absolutely great! |
| 13:28 | * talljoy | claims khall |
| 13:28 | talljoy | :D |
| 13:28 | as mentor, not mentee | |
| 13:29 | kidclamp | I think these are all great ideas, in the interest of keeping things on track I think we should focus on the emails and the content |
| 13:29 | khall | : ) |
| 13:29 | Joubu | yes please :) |
| 13:29 | kidclamp | #info proposal of possible mentor mentee relationships |
| 13:29 | khall | excellent idea |
| 13:29 | Joubu | It's going too far, good to have ideas btw |
| 13:29 | cait1 | #idea mentoring program for koha newbies |
| 13:30 | kidclamp | so first question is who do we send to? support companies and patch contribs seem agreed - mailing list or individuals is the question? |
| 13:30 | talljoy | i would send to the mailing list. |
| 13:30 | LibraryClaire1 | I would prefer it to be sent to the mailing list in general rather than target individuals from the list |
| 13:31 | ashimema | I would say 'companies' and 'mailing list'.. but not individuals |
| 13:31 | Joubu | nobody answers when it is not targetted |
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| 13:31 | Joubu | Even individual patch contributors? |
| 13:31 | cait1 | companies and mailing list are good for me |
| 13:32 | atheia | companies and mailing lists |
| 13:32 | LibraryClaire1 | could companies pass it on to their clients/partners? |
| 13:32 | ashimema | mmm, I know where your trying to come from Joubu.. but I think as cait has highlighted hitting contributors directly could be seen as a bit too much |
| 13:32 | Joubu | I have the list in front of me, and the list in "patch contributors" are almost all known people |
| 13:32 | LibraryClaire: ofc | |
| 13:32 | ashimema | and actually discourage further involvement. |
| 13:32 | LibraryClaire | ashimema ^this was my concern |
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| 13:33 | kidclamp | I am leaning towards mailing list and companies |
| 13:33 | Joubu | patch contributors: oleonard, martin, m.de.rooy, jns.fi, univ-lyon3.fr, gonzalez, cnighswonger, cbrannon, etc. |
| 13:33 | mixing domains and names | |
| 13:34 | talljoy | is there a way to curate that list? |
| 13:34 | ashimema | I've been reading and re-reading the proposed mail too.. I think it's a bit too verbose right now.. it needs a clear 'call to action' (i.e. please fill out this survey) with a clear reason why you should.. but in as few words as possibly really |
| 13:34 | Joubu | I can remove the one I do not know if you want |
| 13:34 | josef_moravec_ | I am of companies, patch contributors, mailing list |
| 13:34 | talljoy | perhaps that ^ |
| 13:35 | send email to individual contributors from the last two versions? or contributors who submitted X number of patches? | |
| 13:35 | but chances are those folks are going to contribute no matter what. | |
| 13:35 | so probably a moot point | |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | if the patch contrib list is mostly known, are they our target audience and/or can't we reach out individually versus a blast email? |
| 13:36 | tcohen | when I served as RM, I never had a negative feedback when approaching individuals offering help or mentoring |
| 13:36 | Joubu | talljoy: yes I can |
| 13:37 | tcohen | I think the problem is making it "official" |
| 13:38 | cait1 | i think the difference is "automated email" to personal email |
| 13:38 | if you write them personally, people are more likely to respond | |
| 13:38 | kidclamp | I would like to call vote at 9:40, final thoughts? |
| 13:38 | Joubu | that is the idea |
| 13:38 | ashimema | I'd also 'make it public'.. there are people watching #kohails on twitter, or bywaters blog for example.. would be good to catch those with a post too |
| 13:38 | Joubu | I will "personalize" (a bit) the email |
| 13:38 | cait1 | using scripts or manually? ;) |
| 13:39 | Joubu | both |
| 13:39 | cait1 | :) |
| 13:39 | Joubu | But... I do not know the point, there is no difference |
| 13:39 | see* | |
| 13:40 | kidclamp | I think we are suggesting actual personal emails or irc conversations |
| 13:40 | Joubu | Really the patch contributor list is not a big deal |
| 13:40 | kidclamp | not 'automated personal' |
| 13:40 | Joubu | and it is where we can find people for contributions |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we send an email to the maling list and suport companies calling for a koha taskforce as proposed by jonathan? Yes, No |
| 13:41 | huginn_ | Begin voting on: Should we send an email to the maling list and suport companies calling for a koha taskforce as proposed by jonathan? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 13:41 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 13:42 | tcohen | #vote Yes |
| 13:42 | barton | #vote Yes |
| 13:42 | talljoy | #vote yes |
| 13:42 | josef_moravec_ | #vote Yes |
| 13:42 | atheia | #vote yes |
| 13:42 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 13:42 | cait1 | #vote yes |
| 13:42 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 13:43 | kidclamp | last call |
| 13:43 | oleonard | #vote yes |
| 13:43 | ashimema | #vote yes |
| 13:43 | kidclamp | #endvote |
| 13:43 | huginn_ | Voted on "Should we send an email to the maling list and suport companies calling for a koha taskforce as proposed by jonathan?" Results are |
| 13:43 | Yes (11): LibraryClaire, cait1, oleonard, ashimema, atheia, barton, josef_moravec_, kidclamp, tcohen, talljoy, drojf | |
| 13:45 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we send an blanket email to the patch contributors calling for a koha taskforce as proposed by jonathan or should send personal messages to those individuals? blanket, personal |
| 13:45 | huginn_ | Begin voting on: Should we send an blanket email to the patch contributors calling for a koha taskforce as proposed by jonathan or should send personal messages to those individuals? Valid vote options are blanket, personal. |
| 13:45 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 13:45 | kidclamp | #vote personal |
| 13:45 | oleonard | #vote personal |
| 13:45 | tcohen | #vote personal |
| 13:45 | talljoy | #vote blanket |
| 13:46 | Joubu | I repeat: the contributor list is very small, I am going to check the participation of the contributor (number of contributions + Q or A on ML) |
| 13:46 | josef_moravec_ | #vote personal |
| 13:46 | barton | #vote personal |
| 13:46 | kidclamp | if small personal should not be so bad, and they are more liely to read respond to list in general IO would say |
| 13:47 | last call | |
| 13:47 | cait1 | #vote personal |
| 13:47 | atheia | #vote personal |
| 13:47 | LibraryClaire | #vote personal |
| 13:47 | kidclamp | #endvote |
| 13:47 | huginn_ | Voted on "Should we send an blanket email to the patch contributors calling for a koha taskforce as proposed by jonathan or should send personal messages to those individuals?" Results are |
| 13:47 | personal (8): LibraryClaire, cait1, oleonard, atheia, barton, josef_moravec_, kidclamp, tcohen | |
| 13:47 | blanket (1): talljoy | |
| 13:48 | kidclamp | #agreed Joubu will send a blanket email to support providers and mailing list and reach out to contributors personally |
| 13:48 | talljoy | really? |
| 13:48 | wahanui | i heard really was more trouble than she's worth. |
| 13:48 | talljoy | check that language kidclamp |
| 13:48 | oh sorry | |
| 13:48 | ignore me | |
| 13:48 | * kidclamp | ignores talljoy at his own peril |
| 13:48 | talljoy | HA |
| 13:49 | kidclamp | okay |
| 13:49 | #topic What would be a good email subject to catch people's attention? | |
| 13:49 | Topic for #koha is now What would be a good email subject to catch people's attention? (Meeting topic: Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal) | |
| 13:49 | LibraryClaire | free cake |
| 13:49 | talljoy | COOKIES |
| 13:50 | kidclamp | 5 minutes for this and next topic, we all have another meeting today :-) |
| 13:50 | tcohen | "Hi there" |
| 13:50 | talljoy | 17.05 Task Force |
| 13:50 | Joubu | There is : "Call for volunteers for the next Koha release" |
| 13:50 | "Harvesting contributions for the next Koha release" | |
| 13:51 | * talljoy | protects her kidneys |
| 13:51 | Joubu | I think we need to add a " + Update on your company" for support providers |
| 13:51 | * ashimema | really feels there's two things in this survey |
| 13:51 | atheia | agreed. |
| 13:51 | i meant with Juobu's statement. | |
| 13:51 | Don't know about ashimema's yet :-) | |
| 13:51 | ashimema | 1) Getting volunteers |
| 13:51 | 2) Steering where koha goes next | |
| 13:52 | as such I'm not confident on a 'tag line' | |
| 13:52 | Joubu | Maybe "KOHA PROBLEM - HELP!" |
| 13:53 | ashimema | lol |
| 13:53 | talljoy | haha |
| 13:53 | tcohen | "Look at my sexy pics" |
| 13:53 | talljoy | direct approach often is best "Call for volunteers......" unless you want to trick them |
| 13:53 | ala tcohen's approach | |
| 13:53 | * oleonard | agrees with talljoy |
| 13:53 | Joubu | ashimema: We want to collect info for both at the same time |
| 13:53 | to not sent 2 emails :) | |
| 13:53 | * barton | likes 'Call for volunteers...' |
| 13:54 | LibraryClaire | I like call for volunteers - at laeast for the mailing list ones |
| 13:54 | Joubu | and to get attention only once |
| 13:54 | kidclamp | call_for_volunteers++ |
| 13:54 | atheia | Yeah, I'm also in favour of 'call for volunteers...' for the mailing list one. |
| 13:54 | tcohen | +1 |
| 13:54 | ashimema | but you're not 'calling for volunteers' at all when it comes to 'Tasks you wuld like to see moving forward but can't help with'.. |
| 13:54 | ok.. I am overruled | |
| 13:55 | kidclamp | ashimema: point taken, but I think it doesn't fully come into play until we act on those suggestions |
| 13:55 | atheia | the support company one could be 'Your listing as paid support company for Koha + contributing to Koha' |
| 13:55 | josef_moravec_ | "call for volunteers - help to make Koha even better" |
| 13:55 | ashimema | well I personally think you'd catch more people if you split them and linked between |
| 13:56 | cait1 | small bites |
| 13:56 | ashimema | i.e. a focused approach suggesting you can help and here's how.. and a focused approach saying 'you can give direction to the project and here's how' |
| 13:56 | talljoy | isn't this a rehash of what we already decided above? |
| 13:56 | ashimema | then you get some people click on one and think.. oh.. I could do the other too |
| 13:57 | LibraryClaire | well there would be scope for a whole other mail about how people want to see koha improve but that's maybe another level altogether. So I still go with call for volunteers :) |
| 13:57 | talljoy | kidclamp are we off topic? |
| 13:57 | ashimema | rather than people going 'they're looking for volunteers.. I can't be bothered to answer that then' |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | I was trying to decide :-) |
| 13:57 | * LibraryClaire | is always off topic |
| 13:57 | talljoy | if the topic is email subject we most definitely are. |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | do we need to vote, I think 'call for volunteers' is generally approved, but martin's points are acknowledged |
| 13:58 | ashimema | ok |
| 13:58 | I'm happy with that | |
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| 13:58 | atheia | 'Koha dev priorities + call for volunteers' |
| 13:58 | LibraryClaire | keep it as simple as possible |
| 13:58 | Joubu | just need to tell it at the beginning of the email "fill the form to tell us what you want" |
| 13:58 | kidclamp | #agreed Subject line roughly 'call for volunteers' |
| 13:59 | atheia | yeah |
| 13:59 | kidclamp | #topic phrasing for support company emial 'Please read up to the end' |
| 13:59 | Topic for #koha is now phrasing for support company emial 'Please read up to the end' (Meeting topic: Special Meeting for Koha Task Force Proposal) | |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | I think this just boils down to frontloading the request to update/acknowledge or saying if you didn't read to the end you aren't really supporting koha :-) |
| 14:01 | anyone have strong thoughts here? | |
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| 14:01 | talljoy | well, i wouldn't say it like that... |
| 14:01 | LibraryClaire | I am unsure of the phrasing |
| 14:02 | talljoy | i think a simple "please read to end and contribute to the direction of Koha" |
| 14:02 | would suffice | |
| 14:02 | cait1 | sounds better |
| 14:03 | atheia | the key problem, I think, is that the template suggests that a company not responding to the email would lose their listing on the paid support company listing. |
| 14:03 | ashimema | I'd keep it shorter as a whole so reading to the end is simply a matter of reading one line or a short single paragraph |
| 14:03 | to the point | |
| 14:03 | chrisbrown | Hi, is this the right place to ask a (fairly) newbie question? It's about deleting a bibliographic framework |
| 14:03 | cait1 | chrisbrown: we are in a meeting atm - can you come back a bit later? |
| 14:03 | and yes, it is :) | |
| 14:03 | atheia | So if you have that line far down, and no information that that will be a consequence early on, it might be a little 'unfair' to companies that don't bother to read :-) |
| 14:03 | kidclamp | hi chrisbrown, this is the right place - we are in a meeting so might get a bit muddle but shoudl eb done shortl;y |
| 14:03 | Joubu | ashimema: actually, I forgot something: I wanted to translate the email (for ES and FR at leat) |
| 14:04 | chrisbrown | sure I'll stop by later |
| 14:04 | Joubu | So the content of the form would be in the email, but translated |
| 14:04 | the other solution would be to create 1 form per lang, but... no :) | |
| 14:04 | cait1 | there is a koha-de mailing list, if you want to do that too |
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| 14:04 | Joubu | Or we just assume that everybody reads English... |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | I think thta is a topic shift :-) |
| 14:05 | Joubu | or a short "common" email, than a translated part for ES, FR |
| 14:05 | barton | Joubu: I think it's worth the extra effort to translate... |
| 14:05 | Joubu | then* |
| 14:05 | cait1 | as most of our documentation is english it hink it might be hard atm to contribute otherwise |
| 14:05 | * tcohen | volunteers for spanish |
| 14:06 | cait1 | we can do German |
| 14:06 | LibraryClaire | *we* |
| 14:06 | kidclamp | maybe support companeis should be two emails? 1 - verify yourself 2 - call for volunteers? |
| 14:06 | Joubu | ok, let's get a simple version for email, then a longer one to put on the form (translated for ES, FR, DE, ? to put in the emails) |
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| 14:07 | cait1 | i think better avoid long text on the top of the form |
| 14:07 | it scares people off | |
| 14:07 | at least me usually :) | |
| 14:08 | if theere is not really more facts that a longer version would have, kepe it short | |
| 14:08 | Joubu | ok but... I need to explain what's the point of the form, no? |
| 14:08 | it scares people if it is in the email and if it is in the form :) | |
| 14:09 | ok, too long, sorry about that | |
| 14:09 | I think we should end the meeting | |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | I tihnk we agreed on call for update/confirmation of the support companies in the beginning of the email |
| 14:10 | instead of 'please readall' | |
| 14:10 | Joubu | I will rework with people interesting in it, then come back |
| 14:10 | ashimema | :) |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | okay, happy to end if you feel good Joubu |
| 14:10 | LibraryClaire | Joubu++ |
| 14:10 | Joubu | kidclamp: yep ok |
| 14:10 | * ashimema | needs to go get kids from school |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | we voted to send the emials, so send em |
| 14:10 | * LibraryClaire | needs tea |
| 14:10 | barton | Joubu++ |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | #endmeeting |
| 14:10 | * ashimema | and it's swimming night.. so I'll be gone a couple of hours |
| 14:10 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 14:10 | huginn_ | Meeting ended Wed May 10 14:10:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:10 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-10-13.04.html | |
| 14:10 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-05-10-13.04.txt | |
| 14:10 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]10-13.04.log.html | |
| 14:10 | * Joubu | needs mate |
| 14:11 | talljoy | that ending seemed so ... sudden |
| 14:11 | LibraryClaire | kidclamp++ |
| 14:11 | * kidclamp | shushes talljoy |
| 14:11 | oleonard | kidclamp++ |
| 14:11 | Joubu++ | |
| 14:11 | Joubu | For people interested in continuing, let's continue on the pad. There is a chat and you can comment |
| 14:11 | talljoy | kidclamp++ |
| 14:11 | atheia | kidclamp++ |
| 14:11 | talljoy | joubu++ |
| 14:11 | Joubu | thankds everybody |
| 14:11 | atheia | Joubu++ |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | joubu++ |
| 14:11 | oleonard | Hi eythian |
| 14:11 | wahanui | oleonard++ |
| 14:11 | oleonard | :) |
| 14:11 | Joubu | koha++ :) |
| 14:11 | LibraryClaire | Hi eythian |
| 14:11 | wahanui | LibraryClaire++ |
| 14:12 | * LibraryClaire | sniggers |
| 14:12 | LibraryClaire | wahanui botsnack |
| 14:12 | wahanui | thanks LibraryClaire :) |
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| 14:12 | * barton | goes for post meeting coffee... |
| 14:13 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
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| 14:24 | chrisbrown | Hi, I have a rather basic question about deleting a MARC framework using Koha 16.11. Playing with the system to familiarise, I have created a couple of MARC frameworks that I would now like to delete. Koha complains with the message "This framework cannot be deleted" / "The Framework is used 3 times". What does this message mean, and how would I find out what the framework is used by? |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | It means there are biblios using that framework |
| 14:26 | oleonard | It means you have cataloged 3 records using that framework |
| 14:26 | chrisbrown | ok so how would i find which 3? |
| 14:27 | kidclamp | SELECT * FROM biblios WHERE frameworkcode=<<Enter framework code>> |
| 14:27 | in the reports module | |
| 14:27 | SELECT * FROM biblio WHERE frameworkcode=<<Enter framework code>> | |
| 14:28 | chrisbrown | OK that's a bit outside my comfort zone but I'll give it a try ... thanks! |
| 14:29 | oleonard | It would be nice if that error message included a link to those results |
| 14:29 | cait1 | oleonard: the field is not indexed, not sure how to bulid the result list |
| 14:29 | not sure, but thought it was not in the marc record | |
| 14:31 | chrisbrown | OK I am looking at the Reports screen but I need a bit more of a prompt on where to go now. Do I use "create report from SQL"? |
| 14:32 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:32 | chrisbrown | ok thanks |
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| 14:51 | chrisbrown | oleonard - the SQL query worked. Would it be safe to remove the offending records in a similar way? |
| 14:52 | i.e. DELETE FROM biblios WHERE ... | |
| 14:52 | or would that break something? | |
| 14:52 | oleonard | It would be better to use batch record deletion or delete them individually. |
| 14:52 | Or you could edit the records and change the framework. | |
| 14:53 | biblio data is stored across several tables so it isn't recommended to do it via SQL | |
| 14:54 | chrisbrown | ok thanks -- good learning experience, this! |
| 14:54 | cait1 | chrisbrown: also the reports only allow SELECT :) |
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| 15:14 | oleonard | I get an error if I try to add a suggestion anonymously in the OPAC. Does anyone know offhand if there's a bug for that? |
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| 15:16 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:17 | LibraryClaire | oleonard I just got a software error too |
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| 15:17 | LibraryClaire | dunno if it's been reported already though |
| 15:17 | kidclamp | no no, guys, SQUASH the bugs, not find them :-) |
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| 15:19 | tcohen | what is giving software error? |
| 15:20 | LibraryClaire | ooh no mine worked now |
| 15:20 | there was an issue with my anonymous patron | |
| 15:20 | Joubu | about page should tell you if the anonymous patron is correctly defined |
| 15:21 | LibraryClaire | ignore me, I'm being a monkey |
| 15:22 | * kidclamp | hands Claire a banana |
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| 15:22 | * LibraryClaire | writes shakespeare |
| 15:23 | oleonard | Joubu: Where does it do that? |
| 15:24 | Joubu | oleonard: about.pl > system info tab |
| 15:24 | if nothing is displayed about the anon patron, it should be ok | |
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| 15:25 | oleonard | I have no borrowernumber in AnonymousPatron and it doesn't show me a warning |
| 15:27 | Looks like it only warns you about the anonymous patron if you have a privacy setting defined somewhere | |
| 15:27 | Even with a valid anonymous patron I still get "Template process failed: undef error - The method default is not covered by tests! at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 121." from opac-suggestions.pl?op=add | |
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| 15:30 | Joubu | oleonard: please open a bug report and assign it to me |
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| 15:31 | Joubu | Anybody is willing to translate the email into something else than FR, ES, DE? |
| 15:31 | and EN... | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Bug 18568 is spam |
| 15:44 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , blog |
| 15:44 | tcohen | ey, don't be rude to my bugs |
| 15:45 | who can delete it? | |
| 15:45 | cait? | |
| 15:45 | wahanui | cait is the best friend you could ever have. |
| 15:49 | Joubu | @later tell rangi please delete 18568 |
| 15:49 | huginn_ | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:40 | barton | I'm not sure if this is a bug or a design decision: bug 18575 |
| 16:40 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18575 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , QueryFuzzy not enabled for Title search in Zebra |
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| 17:24 | * kidclamp | clamp clamp clamp |
| 17:27 | jmsasse | kidclamp: formerly known as WnickC? |
| 17:28 | * kidclamp | didn't clamp WNickC - who suggested that? show me the body! |
| 17:28 | jmsasse | ummm... |
| 17:28 | * kidclamp | unclamps |
| 17:29 | kidclamp | hi jmsasse |
| 17:29 | jmsasse | Hello. |
| 17:37 | magnuse | tcohen++ for looking after kohadevbox |
| 17:38 | bag around? | |
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| 17:39 | tubaclarinet | Hello everyone; I heard that today is a bug squashing day, yes? |
| 17:39 | tcohen | indeed, tubaclarinet |
| 17:40 | tubaclarinet | tcohen: thanks |
| 17:41 | Please forgive me if someone else has already asked this question, but have any of you looked at bug #18478? | |
| 17:41 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Hold Notices sent via SMS gateway fail |
| 17:42 | tubaclarinet | We discussed this bug at today's Koha-US meeting & someone suggested that it could be looked at here during the bug squashing day |
| 17:54 | Joubu | tubaclarinet: What is the question? |
| 17:54 | wahanui | the question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 17:57 | tubaclarinet | Joubu: I just refreshed my browser on this bug's webpage & it looks like Kyle said that it is a configuration problem rather than a bug... |
| 17:58 | khall: what was the problem with the configuration of Koha on bug #18478? | |
| 17:58 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Hold Notices sent via SMS gateway fail |
| 17:59 | kidclamp | tubaclarinet, we were looking at the wrong site |
| 17:59 | seems to be a valid bug - the address is not passed through for hold notices | |
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| 17:59 | khall1 | tubaclarinet: I take it back, reopening! |
| 18:00 | tubaclarinet | khall: roger that |
| 18:00 | wahanui | aye aye cap'n |
| 18:00 | kidclamp | I will try to look later, but anyone is free to take a crack, should be fairly trivial |
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| 19:03 | bag | hi magnuse |
| 19:03 | wahanui | kamelåså |
| 19:03 | magnuse | bag: HI |
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| 19:40 | tcohen | reset_all++ |
| 19:40 | Joubu++ | |
| 19:40 | Joubu | tcohen: you will love it to git bisect :) |
| 19:41 | tcohen | OMFG! Didn't think about it! |
| 19:41 | Joubu | especially when you need to go back to older versions |
| 19:41 | tcohen | yes yes |
| 19:41 | bisecting upgrade issues, etc | |
| 19:41 | Joubu: I love you :-P | |
| 19:42 | we need an extra alias | |
| 19:42 | bisect <test_file.t> | |
| 19:42 | Joubu | I already know that Tomas ❤ |
| 19:44 | tcohen | later #koha, picking Manuel |
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| 19:55 | rangi | is today teh bugsquash? |
| 19:55 | Joubu: deleted | |
| 19:56 | Joubu | yes |
| 19:56 | thx | |
| 19:56 | well, should have been :) | |
| 19:57 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 19:59 | cait1 | hm? |
| 20:00 | rangi | just didnt see much activity |
| 20:00 | cait1 | was more yesterday i feel |
| 20:00 | Joubu | rangi: the meeting about the emails to send to the different actors of the community was fruitful :) |
| 20:01 | a bit more long than expected, but good | |
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| 20:09 | rangi | yay! |
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| 20:15 | mveron | Hi again #koha |
| 20:17 | cait1 | hi mveron! |
| 20:17 | mveron | I get an internal server error if I try to add a suggestion from OPAC. Plack error log says: Template process failed: undef error - The method default is not covered by tests! |
| 20:17 | Can anybody confirm? | |
| 20:17 | cait1 | hm i might have filed one for htat |
| 20:17 | mveron | ..and hi cait1 :-) |
| 20:17 | cait1 | once sec |
| 20:18 | once sec | |
| 20:18 | gr. | |
| 20:18 | please wait | |
| 20:19 | i think it could be related to this one 18525 | |
| 20:19 | bug 18525 | |
| 20:19 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18525 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Can't create order line from accepted suggestion |
| 20:19 | * cait1 | obviously can't type tonight |
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| 20:20 | cait1 | but not sure, it's a bit different |
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| 20:22 | Joubu | nope |
| 20:22 | I fix it | |
| 20:22 | mveron | cait1: Can you reproduce? From OPAC search result hit 'Make a purchase suggestion' |
| 20:22 | Joubu | fixed it |
| 20:22 | wahanui | https://31.media.tumblr.com/41[…]1r7bwg3o4_250.gif |
| 20:22 | Joubu | 2src |
| 20:22 | bug 18525 | |
| 20:22 | easiest is to use the bz search | |
| 20:22 | it works quite well, especially when you already have the error message | |
| 20:22 | cait1 | ? |
| 20:23 | Joubu | yes what you said, same bug number |
| 20:23 | did not know it was already PQA :) | |
| 20:23 | So I thought it was another one! | |
| 20:24 | hum? | |
| 20:24 | no wait | |
| 20:24 | sounds like it's late here too... | |
| 20:25 | bug 18573 | |
| 20:25 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18573 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Error when adding anonymous suggestion in the OPAC |
| 20:25 | Joubu | here is the one |
| 20:25 | mveron: ^ | |
| 20:26 | mveron | Fits, I'm on a fresh install, anonymous user not yet set, I suppose. |
| 20:27 | Joubu | title is wrong |
| 20:34 | mveron | Patch applied, error gone. I sigend off bug 18573 |
| 20:34 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18573 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Error when adding a suggestion in the OPAC |
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| 20:52 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 20:54 | jmsasse | Welcome back kidclamp! |
| 20:54 | kidclamp | thanks! |
| 20:54 | meeting soon! | |
| 20:55 | jmsasse | rangi: Hello |
| 20:55 | wahanui | salut, jmsasse |
| 20:55 | jmsasse | cait: Wie geht's? |
| 20:55 | cait1 | gut, und dir? :) |
| 20:55 | another meeting... oi | |
| 20:55 | 11pm here, almost asleep :) | |
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| 20:56 | rangi | heya jmsasse :) |
| 20:56 | jmsasse | cait: Ich bin gut, danke. |
| 20:56 | kidclamp | lihgt agenda cait - except pronouns |
| 20:57 | jmsasse | rangi: Been a while. How are you? |
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| 21:00 | tubaclarinet | quit |
| 21:00 | good bye | |
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| 21:01 | kidclamp | okay, meeting folks, lets do this one :-) |
| 21:01 | rangi | jmsasse: not too bad, busy but that's usual, you? |
| 21:01 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017 |
| 21:01 | huginn_ | Meeting started Wed May 10 21:01:47 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:01 | huginn_ | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_10_may_2017' |
| 21:01 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 21:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 21:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:02 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 21:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 21:02 | phette23 | #info Eric Phetteplace, California College of the Arts |
| 21:03 | bag | #info brendan gallagher bywater |
| 21:03 | rangi | #info chris cormack, catalyst |
| 21:03 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 21:03 | thd | #info, Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 21:03 | bag | heya cait1 |
| 21:03 | cait1 | heya bag :) |
| 21:04 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 21:04 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:04 | bag | welcome back cait |
| 21:04 | :P | |
| 21:04 | cait | ;) |
| 21:04 | kidclamp | today was/is GBSD, been a bit slow, but still plenty out there for interested folks |
| 21:05 | we had a meeting this morning, Joubu is putting together a taskforce for the next release, and could use some help in translating emails/form | |
| 21:05 | anyone else? | |
| 21:06 | Joubu | release is soon |
| 21:06 | 100 test to QA | |
| 21:06 | 170 to test => 50 bugs with patches attached | |
| 21:07 | 2 criticals and 21 majors | |
| 21:07 | release is in 2weeks | |
| 21:07 | I can draw a picture, but I am very bad at drawing | |
| 21:07 | kidclamp | #info lots to do for upcoming release, many hands make light work :-) |
| 21:08 | thanks Joubu | |
| 21:08 | anyone else? | |
| 21:08 | thd | What would happen if some release critical bugs are not patched by the release date? |
| 21:09 | kidclamp | release delayed |
| 21:09 | Joubu | we will force the one that introduce the regression to reorder the wiki |
| 21:10 | kidclamp | #topic Update from the Release manager (17.05) |
| 21:10 | cait | hehe |
| 21:10 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (17.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:10 | kidclamp | no Kyle here, but he is pushing stuff and look toward the freeze |
| 21:10 | thd | If and only if you can identify the source of the regression and you should then know the fix ;) |
| 21:11 | kidclamp | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 21:11 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:11 | kidclamp | anything cait? |
| 21:11 | rangi | really, released delayed? |
| 21:11 | kidclamp | I doubt it rangi |
| 21:11 | we would fix it | |
| 21:11 | rangi | i much prefer the revert |
| 21:11 | cait | nothing much - still plan on pushing hea2 before 15th |
| 21:11 | rangi | you cant delay on time based releases, thatas the whole point |
| 21:11 | :) | |
| 21:11 | cait | and then have string freeze and release on 22nd |
| 21:12 | Joubu | (the 2 criticals are quite small patches) |
| 21:12 | Heav2 has been backported to 3.22 today by jajm apparently | |
| 21:12 | kidclamp | yes, course reserves and another - and not blockers |
| 21:13 | cait | yeah, he was faster |
| 21:13 | so now I really have to get to it | |
| 21:13 | Joubu | which will be the last release of the 3.22.x series, so good to have it in |
| 21:13 | oh! And the last of 3.x! :) | |
| 21:13 | cait | wow yep |
| 21:13 | kidclamp | #info 16.11 - freeze on 15th, release on 22nd |
| 21:14 | #info 3.22 - hea v2 has been backported | |
| 21:14 | #info next 3.22.x will be final | |
| 21:14 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 21:14 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:15 | kidclamp | As Joubu said, many bugs to hit before the release |
| 21:16 | all help is appreciated | |
| 21:16 | Joubu | only 30 bugs in the NQA queue actually, others are enh |
| 21:16 | cait | bug 11122 needs sign-off ... please? I did a follow up, so am out. |
| 21:16 | huginn_ | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11122 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Fix display of publication year/copyrightdate and publishercode on various pages in acquisitions |
| 21:17 | kidclamp | Oh, and we sent an email to devel re:acquisition changes, I think the solution seems good to all so far, but any thoughts should be given soon |
| 21:17 | cait | kidclamp: i always thought that at some point rrp was misunderstood as replacement cost - because there is certainly some mix up |
| 21:18 | having it separate makes sense | |
| 21:18 | kidclamp | yes, should make things simpler, or at least more logical |
| 21:19 | anything else? | |
| 21:20 | Joubu | If you want me to fix it, you will need to give me exact things |
| 21:20 | kidclamp | just rewrite acq and make it better Joubu |
| 21:20 | Joubu | like: how to fix the update, which screens are wrong, what is copied where, etc. |
| 21:20 | kidclamp | yes, we will cover it in detail |
| 21:21 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 21:21 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:22 | kidclamp | floor is open for anyone :-) |
| 21:22 | Joubu | As I said this morning, I have drafted an idea I got recently |
| 21:22 | kind of "how to write a patch" step-by-step | |
| 21:22 | like tutorial | |
| 21:22 | kidclamp | Joubu++ |
| 21:23 | Joubu | I have to think a bit more about it, but I think that would be useful for anybody that wants to get involved |
| 21:23 | no need to ask anything to anybody, just execute a file and follow the instruction | |
| 21:23 | cait | we probably should revise the wiki pages too |
| 21:23 | Joubu | I am thinking of a .pl and .tt to copy on a kohadevbox |
| 21:24 | cait | remove outdated information and maybe merge some pages etc |
| 21:24 | kidclamp | I promised long ago to update the 'I want to help page' and still plan too :-) |
| 21:24 | Joubu | with different checks we could confirm the commit mesg is correct, the diff make sense, etc. |
| 21:24 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 21:24 | kidclamp | some of the git workflow pages are out of date (mailing patches) etc |
| 21:24 | Joubu | then git bz attach to a given bug number and git apply, SO and reupload |
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| 21:25 | Joubu | that way you did the whole workflow |
| 21:25 | kidclamp | #info Joubo working on a 'write a patch' tutorial |
| 21:25 | Joubu | Let me know if you are aware of any common issues beginners have (rangi maybe?) |
| 21:26 | kidclamp | getting back to a clean git when things go awry |
| 21:26 | cleaning out updates from your DB after testing | |
| 21:26 | rangi | will do |
| 21:27 | kidclamp | moving on |
| 21:27 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 21:27 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:27 | kidclamp | phette23 want to take the floor? |
| 21:27 | phette23 | sure |
| 21:28 | I don't have much to add beyond the guidelines linked in the minutes | |
| 21:28 | I think it would be good to have some policy in place but am not super opinionated about the specifics | |
| 21:29 | thd | Now that my internet is working again after a month of no service I have posted an alternative in the wiki somewhat too quickly in the same wiki page. |
| 21:29 | phette23 | so the alternative someone added referencing CMoS is fine, for instance, if more verbose than I would've written |
| 21:29 | ok thanks for that | |
| 21:30 | thd | Sorry, that I did not have time to clean up what I wrote better. |
| 21:30 | kidclamp | I think maybe the alternative provides more guidance, but the original is more compact and suited as a guideline |
| 21:30 | thd | I am at work today. |
| 21:30 | cait | can we get the link? |
| 21:30 | kidclamp | add that and then refer to the style manual |
| 21:30 | phette23 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Neutral_Pronouns |
| 21:30 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Neutral_Pronouns Gender Neutral Pronouns Proposal |
| 21:30 | sorry cait :-) | |
| 21:30 | thd | My objection to the original is mostly that the example is ungrammatical. |
| 21:31 | cait | no need, i was lazy :) |
| 21:31 | phette23 | ok |
| 21:31 | cait | i think fixing the original, but keep it nice and short would be good |
| 21:31 | phette23 | how about I update example with your language |
| 21:31 | cait | fix the example int he first |
| 21:31 | phette23 | and link to CMoS also but not spell out all 9 ways |
| 21:32 | which are great but really lengthen things | |
| 21:32 | kidclamp | I think we can vote then on the guideline as written and the example and additional info can be adjusted |
| 21:32 | rangi | i agree |
| 21:32 | kidclamp | When referring to a person who could be of any gender, you should use the words they/them/their. This goes for code comments, text in templates, and strings in tests. |
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| 21:32 | thd | I have included a fix for the example as suggested by Mark Tompsett. |
| 21:33 | kidclamp | Alright, calling for vote if no more discussion |
| 21:33 | Joubu | the added part is really too complicated for me |
| 21:33 | thd | I would like to add something else. |
| 21:33 | Joubu | nobody will read that |
| 21:34 | We needed to vote on something and the terms have been modified 40min before the vote? | |
| 21:34 | thd | The plural singular as the preferred solution by many seems to raise problems for people for whom English is a second language. |
| 21:35 | kidclamp | mostly agreed joubu, I think a short guideline is necessary but a link to more info doesn't hurt |
| 21:35 | cait | I think it's a good thing to learn about |
| 21:36 | that you can use they/their etc. to be gender neutral | |
| 21:36 | so should not stop us | |
| 21:36 | thd | The issue for some people understanding the use of they was raised on the mailing list. |
| 21:37 | cait | I think I said the same thing there :) |
| 21:37 | kidclamp | agreed thd, but I think most accepted it in lack of better suggestion |
| 21:37 | /option | |
| 21:37 | thd | Sadly my internet was not working enough for me to read the mailing list. |
| 21:37 | rangi | i think in this case (in fact almost every case) less is more |
| 21:38 | english grammar is ridiculous, lets just focus on not causing offense with gender, not fix all grammar problesm | |
| 21:38 | thd | Exactly, omitting the pronoun is usually better. |
| 21:38 | rangi | singular they is a good rule |
| 21:38 | kidclamp | When referring to a person who could be of any gender, you should use the words they/them/their or omit the pronoun. |
| 21:39 | rangi | that works |
| 21:39 | phette23 | yes I like that statement |
| 21:39 | Joubu | I'd suggest to vote for what phette23's proposal |
| 21:39 | the 3 short lines, well explained and understandable | |
| 21:39 | thd | Singular they is easiest to implement but causes ambiguity problems. |
| 21:39 | Joubu | then thd you can send an email to the list to suggest something else if you like |
| 21:40 | kidclamp | okay, going to start the vote |
| 21:40 | thd | I will do that and favour endorsing the original with a preference for at least correcting the grammar in the examples. |
| 21:41 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we add a guideline for use of gender neutral pronouns stating "When referring to a person who could be of any gender, you should use the words they/them/their or avoid the pronoun. This goes for code comments, text in templates, and strings in tests."? Yes, No |
| 21:41 | huginn_ | Begin voting on: Should we add a guideline for use of gender neutral pronouns stating "When referring to a person who could be of any gender, you should use the words they/them/their or avoid the pronoun. This goes for code comments, text in templates, and strings in tests."? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 21:41 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 21:41 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 21:41 | Joubu | #vote Yes |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 21:41 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 21:41 | thd | #vote yes |
| 21:41 | phette23 | #vote Yes |
| 21:42 | bag | #vote yes |
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| 21:42 | kidclamp | last call |
| 21:42 | cait | #vote yes |
| 21:42 | phew | |
| 21:42 | kidclamp | #endvote |
| 21:42 | huginn_ | Voted on "Should we add a guideline for use of gender neutral pronouns stating "When referring to a person who could be of any gender, you should use the words they/them/their or avoid the pronoun. This goes for code comments, text in templates, and strings in tests."?" Results are |
| 21:42 | Yes (8): Joubu, wizzyrea, phette23, kidclamp, cait, bag, thd, rangi | |
| 21:42 | kidclamp | under the wire |
| 21:42 | * oleonard | would have voted yes if he'd been on time |
| 21:43 | kidclamp | phette23 - will you add that to the guidleines page? |
| 21:43 | phette23 | yes will do |
| 21:43 | to be clear | |
| 21:43 | kidclamp | phette23++ |
| 21:43 | phette23 | is it OK to correct example grammar & use the new statement we voted on? |
| 21:43 | or should I try to maintain the exact draft as presently exists | |
| 21:43 | kidclamp | yes, statement as voted, example can be adjusted |
| 21:44 | phette23 | ok thanks everyone |
| 21:44 | thd | The main point is understood either way ;) |
| 21:44 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 21:44 | kidclamp | did you have any announcement oleonard? |
| 21:44 | oleonard | Nope. |
| 21:45 | kidclamp | jsut wanted to give you a shot :-) |
| 21:45 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 21:45 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 May 2017) | |
| 21:45 | * oleonard | is just happy to be here |
| 21:45 | cait | phette23++ |
| 21:45 | kidclamp | 21 UTC seems to have worked out, I think we can use this in the future too (always nice to see rangi) |
| 21:45 | but for next 13? | |
| 21:46 | two weeks would be 24th | |
| 21:46 | Wednesday, May 24th, 13 UTC? | |
| 21:46 | Joubu | I think since last DST that should be 14 |
| 21:47 | kidclamp | Wednesday, May 24th, 14 UTC? |
| 21:47 | Joubu | I do not know :) |
| 21:47 | just wondering | |
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| 21:47 | kidclamp | 13 is 8 for me, 5 am for bag |
| 21:47 | oleonard | Either works well mid & eastern USA |
| 21:47 | Joubu | so 14 is better, right? |
| 21:47 | bag | if there is baseball I’m there :P |
| 21:48 | kidclamp | sounds good to me |
| 21:48 | * kidclamp | is definitely not just sucking up to new RM |
| 21:48 | oleonard | Inside baseball maybe |
| 21:48 | kidclamp | #info Next meeting: Wednesday, May 24th, 14 UTC |
| 21:49 | Joubu | thx kidclamp! |
| 21:49 | kidclamp | final chance to get in the minutes and have eternal fame! |
| 21:50 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:50 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 21:50 | huginn_ | Meeting ended Wed May 10 21:50:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:50 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-10-21.01.html | |
| 21:50 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-05-10-21.01.txt | |
| 21:50 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]10-21.01.log.html | |
| 21:50 | kidclamp | and you all missed it |
| 21:50 | Joubu | bye #koha |
| 21:50 | cait | kidclamp++ :) |
| 21:50 | kidclamp | night all! |
| 21:50 | wahanui | goodnight kidclamp. You'll be back. |
| 21:50 | cait | 2 in a day is something |
| 21:51 | * oleonard | waves to rangi |
| 21:52 | rangi | heya oleonard |
| 21:52 | wahanui | oleonard is probably still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 21:53 | * oleonard | spent as much time on GBSD today as he could but didn't end up being very productive |
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| 22:18 | oleonard | Is there an API for creating and deleting holds? If so, is it in use within Koha? |
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| 22:18 | cait | hm i think there is an api for holds, not sure how it's used |
| 22:18 | i know we have something api when changing hte pickup location from hte patron record | |
| 22:19 | * oleonard | is probably getting in over his head anyway |
| 22:32 | cait | you can do it! :) |
| 22:35 | oleonard | To any smart people listening: What is going on at line 53 of svc/hold/resume? |
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