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| 03:00 | * dcook | realizes he might have a message waiting... |
| 03:00 | dcook | Guess not |
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| 07:12 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:26 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:35 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
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| 07:47 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:47 | josef_moravec | morning #koha; |
| 07:47 | hi marcelr | |
| 07:48 | marcelr | morning josef_moravec |
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| 08:02 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 08:11 | marcelr | hi LibraryClaire |
| 08:12 | LibraryClaire | hey marcelr |
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| 08:54 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 08:54 | thx for the QA | |
| 08:56 | Joubu | cait: One I cannot QA is bug 18111 and I think you should have it for the next 16.11 release |
| 08:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18111 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Import default framework is broken |
| 08:58 | cait | no string change, so that's good |
| 08:58 | maybe we can ask tcohen or kidclamp to take a look? | |
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| 09:37 | eythian | @wunder ams |
| 09:37 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 9.0°C (10:25 AM CET on February 20, 2017). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:44 | eythian | http://www.atlasobscura.com/ar[…]nship-handwriting |
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| 10:01 | Joubu | baptiste: do not forget to update the status of the patch when you fix a fail QA |
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| 11:34 | oha | regarding bug 17427, I was wondering: how many people uses plack as a backend, and how is not using it? |
| 11:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17427 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Replace CGI::Session with Data::Session |
| 11:35 | marcelr | oha: you should use plack in the newer koha versions; recommended |
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| 11:36 | oha | yes of course |
| 11:36 | what i meant was, is there anyone NOT using plack out there? | |
| 11:36 | marcelr | yeah there will |
| 11:36 | oha | will? |
| 11:36 | marcelr | be |
| 11:37 | oha | would be so easier to handle sessions within plack, is there any way to push them to jump in the 21th? |
| 11:38 | marcelr | yeah why still use /tmp for session storage |
| 11:38 | i was thinking that Koha::Session calling Koha::Cache might also be an easy solution | |
| 11:38 | oha | marcelr: i'm not sure i follow |
| 11:39 | marcelr | oha: you can still use tmp for sessions |
| 11:39 | oha | what i'm suggesting is to handle all the session/auth at once in plack. |
| 11:39 | marcelr | yes iam too |
| 11:40 | just speaking another language :) | |
| 11:41 | oha | so, is there a way to make everyone use plack? :) |
| 11:42 | marcelr | write a great patch |
| 11:42 | that no one can resist | |
| 11:44 | oha | sounds like a good plan! |
| 11:51 | cait | it's not so long ago that we started recommending it |
| 11:51 | so people might need some more pushing | |
| 11:51 | to get word around | |
| 11:56 | jajm++ :) | |
| 11:59 | oha | cait: i see. well, i'm looking at the session handling, i might be able to find some nice fixes on the plack side |
| 11:59 | cait | oha: there are also remaining issues that will not allow you to use plack |
| 11:59 | oha: for example atm shibboleth doesn't work | |
| 12:00 | * ashimema | is on the case for that as soon as I've got an OAuth patch finished |
| 12:00 | cait | and - I think - that setting sys prefs in apache doesn't - which is is needed to build seaparate opacs in some consortia settings |
| 12:00 | so there are some blockers | |
| 12:00 | oha | cait: i have an idea, but i need some time for some testing, which might make plack way easier to handle, and still have apache working, but a bit uglier |
| 12:00 | ashimema | that second one is solved I believe cait |
| 12:01 | cait | i can tell you what's on bugzilla - for technical details i will have to refer to the 'more dev' people :) |
| 12:01 | marcelr | more dev? |
| 12:01 | cait | ashimema: yeah not entirely sure about that one, but i think someone on the mailing list said recently it still didn't work |
| 12:01 | more dev than me :) | |
| 12:01 | oha | basically, instead of having old school cgi and plack "adapt" to use them. we could have the other way around. proper web-app used directly by plack, and cgi-wrappers for apache |
| 12:11 | cait | oha: sorry, that's the kind of discussion you will need to have with someone else :) |
| 12:13 | oha | ehehhe, i'm more thinking out loud here |
| 12:19 | Joubu | oha: sounds like you forgot to update the status for bug 17941 |
| 12:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17941 major, P5 - low, ---, oha, In Discussion , CanBookBeRenewed is very inefficient/slow |
| 12:19 | Joubu | switch it to NSO if it's ready |
| 12:20 | Needs Signoff | |
| 12:20 | wahanui | rumour has it Needs Signoff is ridiculously high too |
| 12:21 | oha | Joubu: ohhhh i'm so dumb. switched it |
| 12:21 | switched it now* | |
| 12:23 | Joubu | oha: Any ideas how big it would be to switch to a proper web app using PSGI? |
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| 12:24 | francharb | Good morning #koha |
| 12:25 | oha | Joubu: the psgi part is already there. what i find a bit clumsy is to handle auth and session in each script (and note that i found at least 2 different implementation for handling authentication, e.g. svc/checkout is differen than reserver/request) |
| 12:25 | what i think i will try is to move some of those scripts into functions, then see how it goes. | |
| 12:29 | Joubu | oha: Most of the time auth check is done by get_template_and_user, which does much more than just auth checking |
| 12:29 | it's used when we need templating basically | |
| 12:29 | oha | yup |
| 12:29 | Joubu | script in svc are for AJAX script, which returns json usually |
| 12:29 | oha | but it honors REMOTE_USER also, which isn't happening in svc scripts |
| 12:29 | Joubu | oha: code from C4::Authis terrible, lot of code is dup |
| 12:29 | oha | exactly |
| 12:30 | Joubu | and it's hard to find someone who knows all the loggin possibilities |
| 12:30 | oha | but at the same time, i'd like to have a common session handling and auth in plack |
| 12:30 | so my thinking was to move that to plack, BEFORE the actual code is run | |
| 12:30 | maybe simplify it there | |
| 12:31 | and keep the rest as legacy in the cgi scripts | |
| 12:31 | Joubu | I think ashimema is your guy if you want to talk about auth methods, like shib, oauth or ldap |
| 12:31 | ashimema | in a call at the minute |
| 12:31 | but happy to talk after | |
| 12:31 | oha | great |
| 12:32 | Joubu | oha: why did you take a look at bug 17427? |
| 12:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17427 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Replace CGI::Session with Data::Session |
| 12:32 | Joubu | just curious :) |
| 12:32 | oha | benjamin told me about it |
| 12:33 | for the record, i've started working here at deichman with benjamin and petter | |
| 12:33 | Joubu | oha: I will be happy to help you if you need any help in this area :) |
| 12:34 | oha | that's great |
| 12:34 | Joubu | but you need to know that you are attacking Koha to one of the hardest side |
| 12:34 | oha | i surely will need help with all the possibile combinations |
| 12:34 | Joubu | the other one is C4::Search |
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| 12:48 | eythian | I always wanted to rebuild C4::Auth into a nice clean pluggable system. |
| 12:49 | but it'd be a hyoooge job. | |
| 12:52 | marcelr | thx Joubu # 18037 (the horrible part left out ) |
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| 13:16 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:19 | LibraryClaire | hi tcohen |
| 13:19 | magnuse | kia ora tcohen |
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| 13:41 | ashimema | a few of us have wanted to rebuild C4::Auth |
| 13:41 | * tcohen | reads |
| 13:42 | ashimema | but as eythian says.. it's a huge job so none of us have ;) |
| 13:42 | tcohen | kivilahtio did it ;) |
| 13:42 | kivilahtio | ashimema: yup |
| 13:43 | tcohen: I am not sure should I port it to the newest master or let it rot | |
| 13:43 | tcohen | you should communicate with ashimema |
| 13:43 | kivilahtio | tcohen: I guess I will port it |
| 13:43 | tcohen | because the problem is no one dares to QA it |
| 13:43 | kivilahtio | tcohen: we need to do some auth extensions so it is much easier to work from my rewrite |
| 13:43 | ashimema | it would need a very staggered approach to get in I think... kivi's did it all of it at once.. undoubtedly the easiest to write.. but the hardest to test ;) |
| 13:44 | kivilahtio | ashimema: heh. There are PageObject tests to test it :) |
| 13:44 | tcohen | exactly, what ashimema says |
| 13:44 | kivilahtio | search_history and login logout |
| 13:44 | that's another monster | |
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| 13:44 | ashimema | Auth.pm has it's fingers everywhere.. |
| 13:44 | kivilahtio | ashimema: I carefulyl deprecated it |
| 13:44 | marcelr | nice typo |
| 13:44 | kivilahtio | ashimema: my rewite simply deprecates it, not breaks it completely |
| 13:45 | so you can enjoy your unbelievably unreadable auth code | |
| 13:45 | in places where my rewrite doesn'ät replace it | |
| 13:45 | ashimema | anywho.. it's still on my list to fully test.. but I think it's going to take a few weeks to fully comprehend it.. so hasn't happened yet :( |
| 13:45 | kivilahtio | ashimema: nice to hear that |
| 13:46 | ashimema: I will port it to master then | |
| 13:46 | * ashimema | hates the unreadable auth code.. but he doesn't mostly understand it ;) |
| 13:46 | ashimema | beware I'm not all that likely to get time to look at it all that soon.. |
| 13:46 | but yeah.. it's still on the list.. it's a long list though :( | |
| 13:46 | kivilahtio | ashimema: np |
| 13:46 | marcelr | ashimema++ |
| 13:46 | kivilahtio | ashimema: I donät mind rebaseing it since the C4::Auth never changes |
| 13:46 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:47 | haha.. yeah.. C4::Auth scares everyone.. so it changes infrequently now ;) | |
| 13:47 | kivilahtio | ashimema: be aware that the permission system is rewritten for us as well |
| 13:47 | so it is not just the auth | |
| 13:47 | marcelr | there you go |
| 13:47 | ashimema | I would personally submit a set of patches that depend upon each other.. |
| 13:48 | one for authentication, one for authorization and permissions handling at the very least | |
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| 13:48 | kivilahtio | already separated it like that |
| 13:48 | ashimema | but yeah.. no time right now :( |
| 13:48 | kivilahtio | there is a Koha::Auth::PermissionManager which is ridiculously slow |
| 13:48 | but has a neat API to CRUS permissions and modules and user_permissions | |
| 13:48 | ashimema | CRUS? |
| 13:48 | kivilahtio | easy to add a REST enpoint on top if it |
| 13:48 | ashimema: CRUD | |
| 13:48 | ashimema | k |
| 13:48 | kivilahtio | sorry |
| 13:50 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 13:55 | tcohen | hi |
| 13:55 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
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| 13:56 | rsantellan | good morning #koha |
| 13:57 | tcohen | hi rsantellan |
| 13:57 | andreashm | hi tcohen, rsantellan |
| 13:58 | speaking of auth... or developers noticed that they can do some stuff with the rest api without the cookie (holds, for example). Any one else experience this? | |
| 13:59 | tcohen | andreashm: i haven't |
| 13:59 | andreashm | good, might just be our setup then and not a major problem |
| 14:00 | tcohen | andreashm: I have experienced using kohadevbox |
| 14:00 | that if you use localhost:8080 and localhost:8081 to access it | |
| 14:00 | the session is shared, so you think you don't have a cookie, but you do | |
| 14:01 | Joubu | baptiste: did you test and sign off on bug 8548? You changed the status but no signoff patches were attached |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8548 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Needs Signoff , Add callnumber sort option to overdue report |
| 14:01 | andreashm | tcohen: ah, interesting. the developers are working against a different server, but it might be something similar. |
| 14:01 | tcohen | if you use a FQDN |
| 14:01 | it doesn't happen | |
| 14:01 | it is just that we match 'localhost' only | |
| 14:02 | andreashm | ok |
| 14:03 | Joubu | andreashm: see issue 121 of kohadevbox |
| 14:04 | tcohen | hi Joubu :-D |
| 14:04 | Joubu | hi tcohen! :) |
| 14:05 | baptiste | Joubu, I committed but didn't attach, I've just attached it and switch again to signed off ;) |
| 14:06 | Joubu | baptiste: ok thanks |
| 14:06 | * cait | waves |
| 14:06 | tcohen | koha sucks |
| 14:06 | tcohen was kicked by Joubu: nope, only C4::Auth | |
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| 14:07 | Joubu | ;) |
| 14:07 | tcohen | :-D |
| 14:07 | so you can now kick me out | |
| 14:07 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:07 | tcohen | Joubu got new superpowers |
| 14:07 | * Joubu | was trying his new power |
| 14:07 | marcelr | well |
| 14:07 | might not be so a good idea ;) | |
| 14:08 | Joubu | not at all, I tend to kick people who disagree with me |
| 14:08 | I did not ask for anything! | |
| 14:08 | * LibraryClaire | sends Joubu beer |
| 14:08 | * cait | hides |
| 14:09 | * tcohen | stocks belgium beer just in case needs to brive Joubu |
| 14:09 | marcelr | ooo |
| 14:10 | * andreashm | can offer mediocre swiss beer |
| 14:16 | Joubu | QAers, one of you should QA bug 18111, cait needs it ASAP to get it for the next release |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18111 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Import default framework is broken |
| 14:17 | tcohen | ahhh |
| 14:17 | I just hit that one :-D | |
| 14:17 | Joubu | I think bug 18026 is a good one to backport as well |
| 14:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18026 normal, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , URL to database columns link in system preferences is incorrect |
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| 14:26 | cait | i already got thatone |
| 14:26 | i think? | |
| 14:27 | Joubu | cait: nope |
| 14:27 | cait | hm |
| 14:27 | is had the hardcoded one | |
| 14:27 | i might skip it - to avoid translators having to translate it again | |
| 14:28 | tcohen | cait: maybe it is better havnig it not translated |
| 14:30 | cait | ? |
| 14:31 | Joubu | Yes otherwise the link is broken |
| 14:32 | cait | now confused |
| 14:38 | tcohen | tradeof |
| 14:38 | not translatged vs. non functional? | |
| 14:42 | magnuse | where are we now with grs vs dom indexing? do we just ignore record.abs if we want to change some indexing? |
| 14:42 | tcohen | yeap |
| 14:44 | magnuse | grs is deprecated, waiting for someone to find the energy to remove it? |
| 14:53 | * druthb | notes that magnuse looks particularly energetic today. |
| 14:53 | magnuse | lulz |
| 14:53 | druthb must be looking at the wring guy | |
| 14:53 | *wrong | |
| 14:54 | druthb | :) |
| 14:57 | tcohen | magnuse: yes |
| 14:58 | if you ask on the mailing list you will get a response from bad paul stating he still uses it, please don't delete | |
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| 14:58 | tcohen | so don't ask, again |
| 14:58 | :-P | |
| 14:59 | magnuse | well, it would hardly get backported to where he is... |
| 14:59 | * magnuse | wanders off to make dinner |
| 14:59 | tcohen | hehe |
| 15:04 | Joubu | tcohen: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]ruary/041995.html |
| 15:04 | never got an answer | |
| 15:05 | * tcohen | should read his memory pill more often |
| 15:05 | Joubu | I have a local branch called bug_14302 with a start, I can finish it and submit it if there is testers intested around needed |
| 15:05 | s/needed// | |
| 15:06 | tcohen | cool |
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| 15:34 | Joubu | Does anybody use rewrite-config.PL? |
| 15:36 | stozza | is it possible to use koha without barcodes? is there a way to do the checkout just looking for the book's title? in our school there will hardly be more than one copy per book, and the barcodes are going to be an issue |
| 15:38 | Joubu | stozza: nope |
| 15:40 | eythian | stozza: that's very likely to run into bad and confusing issues. |
| 15:46 | Joubu | rewrite-config is used from makefile actually.. |
| 15:46 | stozza | ok I guess we'll just put a label and use a pen to write down a unique numeric code on each book |
| 15:47 | that should work, does not have to be an actual barcode as far as I understand | |
| 15:48 | eythian | that's correct, however it might be easier to just use barcodes. |
| 15:51 | stozza | I agree, probably overkill at this stage for us |
| 15:53 | eythian | I think you can just buy sheets of barcode labels. I don't imagine they're expensive. |
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| 15:54 | lds | hello |
| 15:54 | wahanui | bonjour, lds |
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| 17:16 | magnuse | stozza stozza_: have a look at https://koha-community.org/man[…]odeFallbackSearch |
| 17:17 | circ without barcodes | |
| 17:17 | yay for bug 14302 | |
| 17:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14302 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Remove GRS1 indexing related code |
| 17:19 | reiveune | bye |
| 17:24 | bye | |
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| 19:22 | mtj | hey tcohen, about for a quicky? |
| 19:22 | tcohen | hey |
| 19:22 | leaving | |
| 19:22 | quick? | |
| 19:23 | mtj | hmm, yeah, i pm you |
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| 19:25 | tcohen | bye! |
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| 20:19 | cait | bgkriegel++ |
| 20:19 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 20:19 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 20:20 | druthb | bgkriegel++ |
| 20:25 | wizzycray | hi |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:25 | wahanui | kia ora, wizzyrea |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | it was kinda fun to be wizzycray |
| 20:26 | but I get messages on wizzyrea so :( | |
| 20:28 | * druthb | waves to wizzyrea. |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | heya |
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| 22:51 | dcook | @later tell wizzycray Maybe you get messages too! |
| 22:51 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 22:51 | dcook | Guest1218 is an op, eh? :p |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | that's old wizzyrea |
| 22:52 | dcook | So many wizzys! |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | there, all is right in the world again |
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| 23:09 | wizzyrea | Yes. that will do. |
| 23:21 | * dcook | celebrates |
| 23:21 | dcook | Ooh I have chocolate too... |
| 23:21 | somewhere.. | |
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