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| 18:43 | stozza | hi all |
| 18:44 | made some progress :) now I need to populate the catalog starting from a list of ISBN numbers, I'd like to automate it even tho I could manually enter all of them | |
| 18:44 | best/fastest way? | |
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| 21:02 | cait | stozza: there is not a good way using Koha for bulk adds from a isbn list, but a tool like MarcEdit might help you getting the records |
| 21:03 | stozza | I am trying with it |
| 21:03 | now struggling with another issue: say I have a ISBN number that I cannot find on the z39.50 db I am using | |
| 21:03 | but many ISBN tools on internet can find it | |
| 21:03 | wizzycray | You'd have to find a different source for that record |
| 21:03 | stozza | I wonder how I can find the source that got that record |
| 21:03 | wizzycray | a different target or whatever |
| 21:04 | worldcat maybe | |
| 21:05 | stozza | I'd need to find the target, and add that to both marcedit (for batch import now) and koha (for future cataloguing) |
| 21:06 | wizzycray | sure |
| 21:06 | if it's one you want to use in the future. | |
| 21:06 | otherwise just put it in marcedit | |
| 21:07 | stozza | need to find it first |
| 21:09 | cait | hm i think you are using unimarc? so worldcat is probably out |
| 21:10 | wizzycray | oh true, worldcat only good for marc21 |
| 21:10 | cait | is there a free z39.50 to worldcat? |
| 21:10 | wizzycray | naw |
| 21:10 | cait | ah |
| 21:10 | wizzycray | you can look up the records though |
| 21:10 | cait | wondering if they changed that much :) |
| 21:10 | wizzycray | and see places that have them |
| 21:10 | then go to those catalogues | |
| 21:10 | cait | ah good point |
| 21:10 | wizzycray | and see if they have targets |
| 21:10 | that's the cheater way to use worldcat :P | |
| 21:11 | stozza | nice, that seems what I was looking for :) |
| 21:11 | from the website? | |
| 21:11 | cait | stozza: maybe you can find osme new targets here http://irspy.indexdata.com/ |
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| 21:11 | wizzycray | or even go to that catalogue, and if it's a Koha, you can download the record from there |
| 21:11 | lots of ways around it. | |
| 21:12 | stozza | I found it on worldcat |
| 21:12 | cait | there is something called 'italian national library service' |
| 21:12 | stozza | but not sure how to see what target has it |
| 21:12 | cait | http://irspy.indexdata.com/ful[…]it%3A2100%2Fnopac |
| 21:12 | stozza | cait I have all of the italian targets from that one |
| 21:12 | cait | ah ok :) |
| 21:12 | stozza | and can't find these isbn |
| 21:13 | this one for example 9788809037380 | |
| 21:14 | cait | what kind of book is it? |
| 21:15 | stozza | Hans Christian Andersen novels |
| 21:17 | cait | hm |
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| 21:17 | cait | in english? |
| 21:17 | stozza | italian |
| 21:21 | oh, I think I need to better understand the ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 story. I can't find 9788809037380 on my targets but I can find 8809037383 | |
| 21:22 | wizzycray | I don't think that's how that works? |
| 21:22 | cait | maybe another edition |
| 21:22 | ? | |
| 21:23 | the last digit is different - so that might be the old isbn10 | |
| 21:23 | stozza | if I go to isbnsearch.org, and look for 9788809037380, it finds it and gives me the page saying ISBN-13: 9788809037380 ISBN-10: 8809037383 |
| 21:24 | on my targets the 10 digits one is present | |
| 21:24 | wizzycray | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ndard_Book_Number there are check digits involved in isbn13, doing the conversion from 10->13 isn't 1 to 1 (i.e. "add 978 and use the 10digit isbn" isn't a thing) |
| 21:24 | (that I am aware of) | |
| 21:24 | oh actually forget that I'm wrong | |
| 21:25 | just ignore me | |
| 21:25 | but wikipedia is helpful here. | |
| 21:25 | stozza | I have ~200 books to start the library and getting crazy to import in batches, I think I will start adding to the catalogue manually |
| 21:27 | I actually have a CSV with title/author/isbn/etc etc. a lot of info made with a phone app, scanning all the ISBN | |
| 21:27 | can I import it? or doing the field-to-field mapping is a PITA? | |
| 21:28 | cait | not directl |
| 21:28 | y | |
| 21:28 | you could write a plugin to do it | |
| 21:28 | or convert your excel to marc | |
| 21:29 | stozza | converting the excel to marc is a possibility |
| 21:29 | still complicated with marcedit I need to map field by field and I don't really know the UNIMARC format | |
| 21:29 | cait | found something here: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]arceditexcel.html |
| 21:30 | hm yeah, but I think you won't get around the mapping | |
| 21:30 | koha stored the format intenrally as unimarc/marc21 | |
| 21:31 | information on using plugins for importing non-marc data is here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12412 | |
| 21:31 | huginn | 04Bug 12412: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Add ability for plugins to convert arbitrary files to MARC from record staging tool |
| 21:36 | cait | @later tell drojf checked the po files for the 3.22-16.11 complete and no errors |
| 21:36 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:38 | stozza | how do I manage collections? can't find it on the admin panel |
| 21:40 | cait | stozza: hm? |
| 21:41 | stozza | let me ask the question again after switching the UI to english, I may not be translating properly :) |
| 21:41 | (and sorry, my english is bad) | |
| 21:44 | ok when adding an item to the catalog, there is a field named "Koha collection" that now has 3 possible values: Fiction, non-fiction, Reference | |
| 21:48 | mh I think these are called Item types | |
| 21:50 | so the question would be how do I manage/add item types and collection codes | |
| 21:51 | cait | ah |
| 21:51 | itemtypes are important for your circulation conditions | |
| 21:51 | stozza | these may be library settings |
| 21:51 | cait | you will want to kepe this in mind |
| 21:51 | stozza | ok |
| 21:51 | cait | they are created/managed on administration > itemtypes |
| 21:51 | collections and locations are just for searching/display atm | |
| 21:51 | you can change the list in administration > authorised values | |
| 21:51 | authorised values are used for a lot of lists in koha - so whenever you see one, good to check if you can change it there | |
| 21:52 | the codes are CCODE for collection and LOC for location | |
| 21:52 | the codes you currently see are some sample values that got added by the web installer | |
| 21:52 | collection and location are optional - your items don't need these, but they can be nice to have | |
| 21:52 | itemtype is mandatory | |
| 21:54 | stozza | the codes I see that come with the web installer can be edited in administration? |
| 21:54 | cait | yes |
| 21:54 | the itemtypes too | |
| 21:55 | stozza | found tht item types |
| 21:55 | did not find the ccode | |
| 21:55 | cait | read above :) you want administration > authorised values > CCODE |
| 21:56 | stozza | ok ccode, sorry I meant collection |
| 21:57 | that "Fiction/Non-Fiction/Reference" thing | |
| 21:58 | ohhhh | |
| 21:58 | yes ok ok | |
| 21:59 | authorized values, that is clear now. I am slow sometimes :) | |
| 21:59 | now the kids went to bed I am devoting 92% of my brains to koha | |
| 22:01 | cait | heh |
| 22:09 | stozza | adding an Item, I don't have the LOC field, what did I miss? |
| 22:11 | cait | hm |
| 22:11 | i am not sure, i usually work with marc21 | |
| 22:11 | so not totally sure how the unimarc frameworks are set up | |
| 22:11 | there are differences | |
| 22:11 | stozza | you know I am thinking about starting from scratch again with MARC21 |
| 22:12 | cait | you could |
| 22:12 | i am nto sure what#s more popular in italy | |
| 22:12 | stozza | it seems UNIMARC on koha is not used as much as MARC21 |
| 22:12 | cait | we usually recommend to use whatever it's more popular where you are - so you can use the z39.50 targets of your local national service etc |
| 22:12 | yes, internationally marc21 is more common i'd say | |
| 22:13 | unimarc is most commonly used in France still and i think some other european countries - have also heard italy was using it, but not sure how much | |
| 22:14 | marc21 is the standard used in US, also in Germany :) | |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea: nz too? | |
| 22:14 | wizzycray | yep, marc21 all the way here |
| 22:19 | stozza | from a quick search looks like UNIMARC has been historically adopted in Italy but almost every target support both |
| 22:21 | cait | that's cool then |
| 22:26 | stozza | I think so |
| 22:26 | there is also an Italian Koha user group I could ask.. | |
| 22:26 | but they are on facebook, and I hate it | |
| 22:27 | wizzycray | zeno is sometimes around IRC |
| 22:28 | bit awkward time for EU tho :) | |
| 22:29 | cait | yeah |
| 22:29 | * cait | is not here |
| 22:30 | stozza | history |
| 22:30 | ops | |
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| 23:08 | stozza | I am creating a new instance from scratch |
| 23:09 | dropped the koha db and the koha_perone db (my library was called perone) | |
| 23:09 | and I created them again from scratch, and I keep seeing the old catalog. where is it? | |
| 23:09 | wizzycray | in the indexes |
| 23:10 | if you koha-rebuild-zebra perone | |
| 23:10 | it will go | |
| 23:10 | if you koha-rebuild-zebra --full perone | |
| 23:10 | don't forget the --full | |
| 23:11 | stozza | mmm done, but still there |
| 23:12 | wizzycray | oh, |
| 23:12 | you mean everything comes up, results/detail | |
| 23:12 | everything? | |
| 23:12 | wahanui | somebody said everything was grilled |
| 23:13 | wizzycray | sh wahanui. |
| 23:13 | or only the results? | |
| 23:13 | and you have run the installer | |
| 23:13 | and restarted plack (koha-plack --restart perone) | |
| 23:13 | stozza | I see the results, including the items |
| 23:13 | wizzycray | and those were the only two instances you had? |
| 23:14 | stozza | yes |
| 23:14 | I don't have plack, what is it? | |
| 23:14 | wizzycray | if you do koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v -v -v perone |
| 23:14 | jcamins | stozza: Zebra used to have a strange quirk where if you have no records at all, it refuses to delete old indexes. That could be your problem here, if it's just the results you're seeing. |
| 23:14 | wizzycray | it will give more output |
| 23:14 | yeah you could try adding just one record | |
| 23:14 | then reindexing | |
| 23:15 | stozza | ok let me add one |
| 23:15 | jcamins | (that is, if the details links don't work) |
| 23:15 | wizzycray | it still does that afaik i thought maybe it was fixed tho |
| 23:15 | but yk, it's hard to know. | |
| 23:17 | stozza | ok added a record now the rebuild went ok |
| 23:18 | jcamins | wizzycray: I haven't tried it in years, so I hoped that it was no longer happening. |
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