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| 00:17 | dcook | @later tell tcohen sort of |
| 00:17 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:17 | dcook | @later tell tcohen I'd be keen to try out kohadevbox for windows! |
| 00:17 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:44 | * magnuse | waves from his new office |
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| 07:06 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 07:25 | fridolin | hie there |
| 07:32 | LibraryClaire | hey fridolin :) |
| 07:32 | fridolin | LibraryClaire: yop bonjour |
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| 07:51 | drojf | morning #koha |
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| 07:51 | LibraryClaire | hi drojf |
| 07:52 | drojf | hi LibraryClaire |
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| 07:52 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:52 | wahanui | what's up, reiveune |
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| 07:56 | LibraryClaire | hi reiveune |
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| 08:20 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:21 | LibraryClaire | hey gaetan_B |
| 08:21 | wahanui | gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons |
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| 09:11 | nlegrand | Hey #koha! |
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| 09:26 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen It seems that bug 17368 did not fix Jenkins. I think it's because the .kpz is not extracted and the one on the server is not erased. Could you replace it manually please? |
| 09:26 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:26 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 09:29 | * fridolin | asking to join QA Team |
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| 09:29 | fridolin | i'm happy to see cait took 16.11 relaese maintaining |
| 09:29 | cait | wish me luck :P |
| 09:29 | i am sure they will be happy to have you on QA | |
| 09:34 | ah, Julian signed up too - cool :) | |
| 09:34 | fridolin++ jajm++ | |
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| 09:36 | fridolin | we hope to do a good job |
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| 10:15 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen do we have ES up and configured on Jenkins? |
| 10:15 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:16 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen There is "Cannot detect source of 't/DataTables'!" What is this t/DataTables? |
| 10:16 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:03 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17518 - DBRev 16.06.00.047 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]845fe73cc4d817db4> / Bug 17518: Displayed language name for Czech is wrong <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]483dea52168fa5d6e> / Bug 17084 - Automatic debian/control updates (unstable) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=commitdiff;h=4a3 |
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| 11:49 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:59 | atheia | Hi #koha |
| 11:59 | I have a question about the difference between 'holdingbranch' and 'homebranch'… | |
| 12:00 | Intuitively I would think 'homebranch' is the place where an item lives, and 'holdingbranch' is where an item might be currently at (e.g. it might have been sent to a different 'holdingbranch' to satisfy a hold). | |
| 12:01 | By extension, a branchtransfer changes the 'homebranch' rather than the 'holdingbranch'. | |
| 12:01 | Is this more ore less accurate? | |
| 12:01 | oleonard | That sounds correct atheia |
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| 12:01 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 12:02 | atheia | OK, cheers for confirming oleonard! |
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| 12:16 | magnuse | khall around yet? |
| 12:16 | khall | what's up? |
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| 12:40 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:41 | Joubu, I cannot make jenkins reach the nodes | |
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| 12:56 | LibraryClaire | hi tcohen |
| 12:56 | tcohen | hi LibraryClaire |
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| 13:02 | nengard | morning all |
| 13:05 | kidclamp | morning nengy |
| 13:10 | tcohen | hi nengard kidclamp |
| 13:10 | nengard | nengy?? hehe |
| 13:10 | you all see me on FLOSS weekly? | |
| 13:10 | https://twit.tv/shows/floss-we[…]9?autostart=false | |
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| 13:11 | oleonard | Cool nengard! |
| 13:16 | tcohen++ | |
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| 13:28 | LibraryClaire | @wunder Konstanz |
| 13:28 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 12.6°C (2:14 PM CET on November 02, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:28 | LibraryClaire | they forgot dark and creepy |
| 13:28 | Joubu | bug 17537, bug 17538 and bug 17540 will help jenkins (when it will wake up) |
| 13:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17537 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , xt/author/valid-templates.t is broken |
| 13:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17538 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/Upload.t is broken | |
| 13:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17540 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , auth_values_input_www.t is broken | |
| 13:31 | eythian | @wunder jordaan ams |
| 13:31 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 12.6°C (2:23 PM CET on November 02, 2016). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:32 | eythian | no one wins! |
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| 13:33 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 13:33 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 14.7°C (9:33 AM EDT on November 02, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:34 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard o/ |
| 13:34 | oleonard | LibraryClaire: Dark and creepy? Sounds like a fairy tale |
| 13:34 | LibraryClaire | stormy looking clouds |
| 13:35 | does not bode well for my running enthusiasm levels | |
| 13:36 | oleonard | I would dispense motivational words if I weren't so lazy myself. |
| 13:37 | LibraryClaire | :D |
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| 15:24 | * LibraryClaire | gathers energy for running |
| 15:24 | LibraryClaire | laters #koha |
| 15:25 | * Joubu | sends LibraryClaire chocolate |
| 15:25 | LibraryClaire | :D |
| 15:25 | * cait | pushes her out the door to go running |
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| 15:42 | AndrewIsh | hey guys, quick question. for the module i'm currently building, i need to be performing a barcode search on the catalogue and getting the matching item |
| 15:42 | cait | hi AndrewIsh :) |
| 15:42 | AndrewIsh | i've been looking in catalogue/search.pm for some pointers, but that didn't help much |
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| 15:42 | AndrewIsh | hey cait |
| 15:43 | is there a module for doing this sort of thing? | |
| 15:44 | there are lots of promising sounding modules being used in search.pm, and my next step was to poke in each one to see what it does, but my laziness got the better of me | |
| 15:44 | hence this question | |
| 15:44 | cait | i think i wouldn't go into Search.pm for that |
| 15:44 | what is it for? | |
| 15:45 | AndrewIsh | sorry, search.pl |
| 15:45 | cait | I think that circulation uses the database, not Zebra |
| 15:45 | but I don't really have an idea where to look - maybe someone else knows? | |
| 15:45 | AndrewIsh | so, we're building a stock rotation feature, as part of that it's necessary to add items to a stock rotation rota, hence needing to be able to find items |
| 15:46 | oleonard | AndrewIsh: That sounds similar to the lists feature which allows you to add to a list by barcode |
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| 15:46 | oleonard | Maybe that would be a place to look? |
| 15:46 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: there are similarities, but it's also different in some ways |
| 15:46 | oleonard: ah, yes, good point! | |
| 15:50 | oleonard: bingo! C4::Biblio::GetBiblioFromItemNumber - thanks! :) | |
| 15:50 | oleonard | Cool |
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| 15:51 | mveron | Hi #koha |
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| 15:57 | AndrewIsh | oleonard: oh actually, C4::Items::GetItem is the one i was after! thanks for the pointers though :) |
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| 16:01 | ttt | how to search baskets |
| 16:01 | is there a way to list all baskets in acquisitions | |
| 16:02 | cait | do an empty vendor seaerch |
| 16:02 | then click on the link to show also baskets where all items have been received | |
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| 17:17 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 18:32 | kchris | Does anyone have experience using the SYNC_REPO variable with Kohadevbox? I have spun up a dev box without it, and now want to test patches. Is there an existing kohaclone directory? |
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| 18:48 | Joubu | kchris: you need to export the SYNC_REPO variable before the vagrant up command |
| 19:01 | kchris | Joubu: I wonder if I can halt and provision it with that variable now? |
| 19:02 | Joubu | maybe ssh before and remove what may have been cloned |
| 19:02 | tcohen | kchris: yes |
| 19:02 | kchris | I didn't use the variable initially because I was starting from scratch and didn't have an "existing" repo. |
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| 19:09 | fridolin | hie there, me again |
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| 19:11 | tcohen | hi fridolin |
| 19:11 | fridolin | tcohen: whats up |
| 19:11 | tcohen | hi there |
| 19:11 | i'm picking Manuel | |
| 19:11 | fridolin | i'm preparing my dogther for bed |
| 19:11 | tcohen | will try to get back in time for the meeting! |
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| 19:58 | cait | meeting in 2 mins! |
| 19:59 | fridolin | cait: present |
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| 20:01 | cait | #startmeeting General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016 |
| 20:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 20:01:24 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 20:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__2_november_2016' |
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| 20:01 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 20:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 20:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
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| 20:01 | cait | Please introduce yourself following wahanui's example |
| 20:01 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_2_November_2016 Today's agenda | |
| 20:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 20:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 20:02 | bag | #info bag Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
| 20:02 | NateC | #info Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:02 | * drojf | might fall asleep during the meeting |
| 20:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 20:02 | d_antonakis | #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece |
| 20:02 | drojf | sorry in advance |
| 20:02 | MKuhn | #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland |
| 20:02 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 20:02 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Sydney |
| 20:02 | LibraryClaire | #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany |
| 20:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 20:03 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic |
| 20:03 | cait | waiting a little bit longer |
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| 20:03 | tcohen | hi |
| 20:04 | Joubu | Hi josef_moravec, good to see you here :) |
| 20:04 | tcohen | #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke |
| 20:04 | * cait | waves |
| 20:04 | josef_moravec | HI Jonathan ;) |
| 20:04 | And all ;) | |
| 20:04 | tcohen | hi thd |
| 20:05 | thd | Hello tcohen |
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| 20:06 | cait | ok, moving on! |
| 20:06 | irma | #info Irma CALYX, Sydney AU |
| 20:06 | cait | #info Announcements |
| 20:06 | any announcements? | |
| 20:06 | sec | |
| 20:06 | #topic Announcements | |
| 20:06 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 20:06 | cait | so, better |
| 20:06 | thd | Yes. |
| 20:07 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre |
| 20:07 | thd | I would like to announce that after 2 years of helping a friend avoid eviction I will have time for Koha again from February. |
| 20:07 | bag | great we will expect all THE things then ;) |
| 20:07 | khall_away | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:07 | bag | heh |
| 20:08 | petter | #info Petter Goksøyr Åsen, Oslo public library |
| 20:08 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:08 | cait | ok, somehting else? |
| 20:08 | thd | The judge said effectively that books are legal in New York City which my friend's landlord had argued against as combustible. |
| 20:08 | cait | otherwise moving on - lots on the agenda today :) |
| 20:08 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 20:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 20:09 | tcohen | agenda? |
| 20:09 | wahanui | hmmm... agenda is a wiki |
| 20:09 | cait | tcohen: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_2_November_2016 |
| 20:10 | bag? | |
| 20:10 | bag | yes |
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| 20:11 | cait | update on release ;) |
| 20:11 | bag | going well - dates are out there - iirc we’ve entered the slush |
| 20:11 | khall_away: anything to add here? | |
| 20:11 | cait | #info 16.11 has entered feature slush |
| 20:11 | tcohen | I'd like to mention Jenkins |
| 20:11 | khall_away | Not that I can think of |
| 20:11 | tcohen | it's been having problems |
| 20:11 | to connect to the nodes | |
| 20:11 | bag | tcohen: the floor is yours |
| 20:12 | tcohen | and is probably one of the reasons some failing tests were not highlighted properly |
| 20:12 | i'm sorry for that | |
| 20:12 | I'm talking to Laurent (from Biblibre) | |
| 20:12 | cait | something to #info? |
| 20:12 | tcohen | about alternatives to fix it |
| 20:13 | cait | #info Jenkins is having some problems connecting to the nodes, tcohen is working on it with Laurent |
| 20:13 | Joubu | (bugs 17537-40 fixes somes tests) |
| 20:13 | tcohen | #info Jenkins is having issues and tcohen is working on that, a temporary server has been set and tcohen will post to the list, so people notice the failing tests |
| 20:13 | cait: you type way faster than me LOL | |
| 20:13 | cait | ;) |
| 20:13 | JesseM | Hello |
| 20:13 | wahanui | hello, JesseM |
| 20:14 | cait | preparing to change topic :) |
| 20:14 | #topic Elections | |
| 20:14 | Topic for #koha is now Elections (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 20:14 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto - ByWater Solutions |
| 20:14 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack - Catalyst |
| 20:15 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_17.05 Roles for 17.05 |
| 20:15 | fridolin | Laurent is on vacations this week, he will come back monday |
| 20:15 | cait | the page has filled up the last few days and we have candidates for most of the roles |
| 20:15 | tcohen | fridolin: thanks |
| 20:16 | cait | before we start voting, are there questions to the candidates, about the roles or whatever that we should discuss before elections? |
| 20:16 | bag | I would like to add Joubu to the RM as a back-up (alternate) for pushing code that ByWater has authored |
| 20:17 | does that sound acceptable? | |
| 20:17 | fridolin | indeed |
| 20:17 | * tcohen | doesn't trust him that much |
| 20:18 | khall_away | Lol |
| 20:18 | JesseM | :D |
| 20:18 | cait | me neither, but... ok |
| 20:18 | :) | |
| 20:18 | Joubu | I think it may be good to have author + push from different companies |
| 20:18 | cait | agreed |
| 20:19 | khall_away | Completely |
| 20:19 | rangi | yep |
| 20:19 | Joubu | at the beginning I asked for push access to fix small things |
| 20:19 | tcohen | I think the bigger the team, the more collisions there can be |
| 20:19 | but I think you can manage it | |
| 20:19 | Joubu | or to fix timezone incompatibilities |
| 20:19 | if it means something... | |
| 20:19 | rangi | one thing id like to bring up, wrt RMaints |
| 20:19 | tcohen | +1 from me |
| 20:20 | rangi | can we please go back to no enhancements being backported |
| 20:20 | (or refactoring) | |
| 20:20 | drojf | +1 |
| 20:20 | rangi | we've had a few too many bugs in the stable releases |
| 20:20 | cait | rangi: that's my plan |
| 20:20 | rangi | cool |
| 20:20 | drojf | and i built every single package twice |
| 20:20 | not doing that again | |
| 20:20 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:21 | cait | i will try to be careful and check with devs when not sure about something |
| 20:21 | fridolin | refactoring indeed is useless for stable branches |
| 20:21 | cait | yep |
| 20:21 | Joubu | basically you 'just' need to check the status and the dependencies |
| 20:21 | if it's a enh or ft, don't push it | |
| 20:21 | fridolin | sometimes some patches are defined as enhancements but may be considered as bug |
| 20:21 | tcohen | the caching refactoring was a special case |
| 20:21 | Joubu | if it depends on an enh or ft not in stable branches, don't push it |
| 20:22 | fridolin | basicaly I'm ok |
| 20:22 | cait | I think if we need dependencies for a bug fix we can take a closer look - if pushing them is better than having to write a different bug fix patch |
| 20:22 | fridolin | there may be some exceptions but mainly branch must be "stable" |
| 20:22 | tcohen | i wouldn't have backported those, but I understand it was the rmaints call |
| 20:23 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:23 | schnydszch joined #koha | |
| 20:23 | rangi | thats all I wanted to bring up anyway |
| 20:23 | cait | also some real small enh might be good to have - as frido said, sometimes it's a bit of a grey area with bug or not |
| 20:24 | fridolin | RMaint is a real job ;) |
| 20:25 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines |
| 20:26 | cait | contineu with voting? |
| 20:27 | bag: can you please add Joubu to the wiki? | |
| 20:27 | or Joubu can you? | |
| 20:27 | Joubu | I have already added myself as a Module Maintainer actually |
| 20:28 | not sure what I should do now :) | |
| 20:28 | cait | let's vote from top to bottom |
| 20:28 | ah ok, just missed that | |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT NZ (sorry to be late) |
| 20:28 | cait | ok, i am going to cheat and just list the role, names and then options - not phrasing it as a real question, but the bot forces me to write ? |
| 20:29 | Joubu | I think Kyle is able to push patches from ByWater if SO+QA is different from ByWater |
| 20:29 | cait | #startvote: Release Manager: Kyle Hall, Brendan Gallagher? yes, no, abstain |
| 20:29 | huginn | Begin voting on: : Release Manager: Kyle Hall, Brendan Gallagher? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:29 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:29 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | fridolin | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | bag | we will communicate with Joubu and ask him to push ones where we want a different “company” eyes on the patch |
| 20:31 | cait | closing vote |
| 20:31 | #endvote | |
| 20:31 | huginn | Voted on ": Release Manager: Kyle Hall, Brendan Gallagher?" Results are |
| 20:31 | yes (17): LibraryClaire, Joubu, cait, JesseM, josef_moravec, schnydszch, NateC, BobB, fridolin, wizzyrea, tcohen, MKuhn, thd, drojf, d_antonakis, rangi, bgkriegel | |
| 20:31 | cait | #agreed Release Manager: Kyle Hall and Brendan Gallagher |
| 20:31 | is someone against group voting the ones with more than one name listed? | |
| 20:31 | like voting for all the maints together? | |
| 20:32 | tcohen | nope |
| 20:32 | bag | not against that idea |
| 20:32 | fridolin | nope |
| 20:32 | cait | #startvote Release Maintainers: Katrin Fischer (16.11), Mason James (16.05), Julian Maurice (3.22) |
| 20:32 | huginn | Unable to parse vote topic and options. |
| 20:32 | cait | sorry |
| 20:32 | wait | |
| 20:32 | #startvote Release Maintainers: Katrin Fischer (16.11), Mason James (16.05), Julian Maurice (3.22)? yes, no, abstain | |
| 20:32 | huginn | Begin voting on: Release Maintainers: Katrin Fischer (16.11), Mason James (16.05), Julian Maurice (3.22)? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:32 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:32 | tcohen | cait? |
| 20:32 | wahanui | i think cait is the best friend you could ever have. |
| 20:32 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:32 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | fridolin | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | khall_away | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:33 | petter | #vote yes |
| 20:34 | cait | ending vote |
| 20:34 | #endvote | |
| 20:34 | huginn | Voted on "Release Maintainers: Katrin Fischer (16.11), Mason James (16.05), Julian Maurice (3.22)?" Results are |
| 20:34 | yes (18): Joubu, LibraryClaire, wizzyrea, petter, JesseM, josef_moravec, schnydszch, NateC, drojf, bag, fridolin, tcohen, d_antonakis, thd, khall_away, MKuhn, rangi, bgkriegel | |
| 20:34 | cait | #agreed Release Maintainers: Katrin Fischer (16.11), Mason James (16.05), Julian Maurice (3.22) |
| 20:35 | BobB | sorry, went to get breakfast and missed that one :) |
| 20:35 | cait | #startvote Module Maintainer: Jonathan Druart - Architecture, internals and plumbing, including privilege to push to master, working with RMs |
| 20:35 | huginn | Unable to parse vote topic and options. |
| 20:35 | cait | gr. |
| 20:35 | sec again | |
| 20:35 | Module Maintainer: Jonathan Druart - Architecture, internals and plumbing, including privilege to push to master, working with RMs? yes, no, abstain | |
| 20:35 | #startvote Module Maintainer: Jonathan Druart - Architecture, internals and plumbing, including privilege to push to master, working with RMs? yes, no, abstain | |
| 20:35 | huginn | Begin voting on: Module Maintainer: Jonathan Druart - Architecture, internals and plumbing, including privilege to push to master, working with RMs? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:35 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:36 | rangi | you missed startvote |
| 20:36 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | cait | sorry, i will get the hang of it hopefully soon |
| 20:36 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | khall_away | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:36 | fridolin | #vote yes |
| 20:37 | cait | closing vote |
| 20:37 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:37 | cait | #endvote |
| 20:37 | huginn | Voted on "Module Maintainer: Jonathan Druart - Architecture, internals and plumbing, including privilege to push to master, working with RMs?" Results are |
| 20:37 | yes (17): LibraryClaire, cait, JesseM, josef_moravec, khall_away, barton, BobB, bag, wizzyrea, NateC, tcohen, fridolin, MKuhn, thd, drojf, rangi, bgkriegel | |
| 20:37 | cait | #agreed Module Maintainer: Jonathan Druart - Architecture, internals and plumbing, including privilege to push to master, working with RMs |
| 20:37 | #startvote Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel? yes, no, abstain | |
| 20:37 | huginn | Begin voting on: Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:37 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:38 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | BobB | sorry, went to get breakfast and missed that one :) |
| 20:38 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | khall_away | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | BobB | dam |
| 20:38 | #vote yes | |
| 20:38 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | Joubu | 2 breakfasts in a row! |
| 20:38 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 20:38 | barton | Ha! |
| 20:38 | BobB | :) |
| 20:39 | cait | ending vote... |
| 20:39 | #endvote | |
| 20:39 | huginn | Voted on "Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel?" Results are |
| 20:39 | yes (18): Joubu, LibraryClaire, wizzyrea, JesseM, josef_moravec, schnydszch, NateC, barton, BobB, bag, cait, tcohen, d_antonakis, thd, drojf, MKuhn, rangi, khall_away | |
| 20:39 | cait | #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel |
| 20:39 | MKuhn | Isn't it possible to say yes only once for all the votings, saving time? |
| 20:39 | tcohen | bgkriegel++ |
| 20:39 | cait | bgkriegel++ indeed :) |
| 20:39 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 20:40 | cait | #startvote Documentation Manager: Chris Cormack, David Nind? (yes, no, abstain) |
| 20:40 | huginn | Begin voting on: Documentation Manager: Chris Cormack, David Nind? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . |
| 20:40 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:40 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | khall_away | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:40 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:41 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:41 | cait | closing vote |
| 20:41 | #endvote | |
| 20:41 | huginn | Voted on "Documentation Manager: Chris Cormack, David Nind?" Results are |
| 20:41 | yes (19): LibraryClaire, JesseM, bgkriegel, wizzyrea, khall_away, josef_moravec, NateC, Joubu, barton, BobB, bag, cait, tcohen, MKuhn, thd, drojf, d_antonakis, rangi, schnydszch | |
| 20:41 | NateC | Wow how long since that role has changed?!? |
| 20:41 | cait | #agreed Documentation Manager: Chris Cormack, David Nind |
| 20:41 | #startvote Database Documentation Manager: David Nind | |
| 20:41 | huginn | Unable to parse vote topic and options. |
| 20:41 | cait | gr. |
| 20:42 | tcohen | nengard++ |
| 20:42 | cait | #startvote Database Documentation Manager: David Nind? yes, no, abstain |
| 20:42 | huginn | Begin voting on: Database Documentation Manager: David Nind? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:42 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:42 | tcohen | and |
| 20:42 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | tcohen | rangi++ |
| 20:42 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | fridolin | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | bag | rangi++ |
| 20:42 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | petter | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | khall_away | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | cait | wow |
| 20:42 | Joubu | 2 breakfasts in a row! |
| 20:42 | cait | ) |
| 20:42 | Joubu | ;) |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | cait | lots of voters tonight! |
| 20:42 | rangi | i agree with MKuhn |
| 20:42 | for next time, can we just vote on everything ;-) | |
| 20:42 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | cait | where is the ufn in that :P |
| 20:43 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 20:43 | cait | we are almost done, too late to complain |
| 20:43 | bag | it’s elevenses for BobB but he’s more an elf than a hobbit |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | mmm 2nd breakfast. |
| 20:43 | Joubu | no rangi, you have to stay and vote for everything! |
| 20:43 | one by one | |
| 20:43 | MKuhn | I like that, a lot |
| 20:43 | cait | #endvote |
| 20:43 | huginn | Voted on "Database Documentation Manager: David Nind?" Results are |
| 20:43 | yes (21): Joubu, JesseM, LibraryClaire, cait, petter, khall_away, josef_moravec, schnydszch, NateC, barton, BobB, wizzyrea, bag, fridolin, tcohen, MKuhn, thd, drojf, d_antonakis, rangi, bgkriegel | |
| 20:43 | cait | #startvote QA Team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Kyle Hall, Jonathan Druart, Fridolin Somers, Julian Maurice? yes, no, abstain |
| 20:43 | huginn | Begin voting on: QA Team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Kyle Hall, Jonathan Druart, Fridolin Somers, Julian Maurice? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:43 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:44 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | cait | #agreed Database Documentation Manager: David Nind |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | cait | #vote ves |
| 20:44 | huginn | cait: ves is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:44 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | petter | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:44 | Joubu | #vote yes # not for myself heh |
| 20:44 | huginn | Joubu: yes # not for myself heh is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:45 | drojf | nice try, now vote for yourself |
| 20:45 | cait | ending vote |
| 20:45 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:45 | bag | Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer.83web.de> |
| 20:45 | cait | #endvote |
| 20:45 | huginn | Voted on "QA Team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Kyle Hall, Jonathan Druart, Fridolin Somers, Julian Maurice?" Results are |
| 20:45 | yes (18): LibraryClaire, Joubu, wizzyrea, petter, JesseM, josef_moravec, NateC, barton, BobB, cait, bgkriegel, tcohen, MKuhn, thd, drojf, d_antonakis, rangi, schnydszch | |
| 20:45 | cait | bag? |
| 20:45 | bag | sorry |
| 20:45 | fridolin | whouuu I'm in |
| 20:45 | cait | #agreed QA Team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Kyle Hall, Jonathan Druart, Fridolin Somers, Julian Maurice |
| 20:45 | congrats QA team :) | |
| 20:45 | bag | that was supposed to be #vote yes |
| 20:46 | cait | #agreed QA Team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Kyle Hall, Jonathan Druart, Fridolin Somers, Julian Maurice |
| 20:46 | Joubu | with all of these QAers, QA queue cannot be above 10 |
| 20:46 | cait | hm, doubled up |
| 20:46 | JesseM | khall will be busy |
| 20:46 | cait | someone else should chair next time |
| 20:46 | ok | |
| 20:46 | do you want to summary vote the next roles? | |
| 20:47 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | cait | or otherwise... is someone against it? |
| 20:47 | tcohen | i wanted to abstain |
| 20:47 | but hey, I support the summary vote too | |
| 20:48 | cait | #startvote Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen, Continuous integration infrastructure maintainer (what a role name!): Tomas Cohen Arazi, Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta, Marc Véron |
| 20:48 | huginn | Unable to parse vote topic and options. |
| 20:48 | cait | ok |
| 20:48 | messed up again | |
| 20:48 | thd | Can we start again and do a summary vote of everything ? :) |
| 20:49 | cait | #startvote Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen, Continuous integration infrastructure maintainer (what a role name!): Tomas Cohen Arazi, Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta, Marc Véron? yes, no, abstain |
| 20:49 | huginn | Begin voting on: Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen, Continuous integration infrastructure maintainer (what a role name!): Tomas Cohen Arazi, Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta, Marc Véron? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:49 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:49 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | d_antonakis | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | fridolin | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | JesseM | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | khall_away | #yes |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | LibraryClaire | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | cait | i think having discussions now won't make it faster now |
| 20:49 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:49 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:50 | cait | closing vote! |
| 20:50 | schnydszch joined #koha | |
| 20:50 | cait | #endvote |
| 20:50 | huginn | Voted on "Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen, Continuous integration infrastructure maintainer (what a role name!): Tomas Cohen Arazi, Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta, Marc Véron?" Results are |
| 20:50 | yes (16): LibraryClaire, Joubu, cait, JesseM, josef_moravec, drojf, barton, BobB, bag, fridolin, bgkriegel, d_antonakis, thd, wizzyrea, MKuhn, tcohen | |
| 20:50 | cait | #agreed Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen, Continuous integration infrastructure maintainer (what a role name!): Tomas Cohen Arazi, Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta, Marc Véron |
| 20:50 | i have a question about the last one | |
| 20:50 | indranil, Brooke and David haven't added themselves | |
| 20:50 | have you been in contact with them? | |
| 20:51 | thd | Indeed, however, I think indrag is OK with inclusion but everyone listed is merely an implied volunteer. |
| 20:52 | It is really the support for the proposal which I am seeking. | |
| 20:52 | Anyone can join in. | |
| 20:52 | Joubu | Is it the same proposal as the one for 3.20, 3.22, 16.05 and 16.11? |
| 20:53 | thd | Yes, unfortunately all my tame was taken helping my elderly friend avoid eviction for 2 years. |
| 20:53 | That is now thankfully over. | |
| 20:53 | s/tame/time/ | |
| 20:53 | BobB | congrats thd, awesome achievement |
| 20:54 | drojf | i ẃas wondering, can we separate the wiki from the release team? it has not really a connection to release cycle. and you plan to start in february, while release cycle is november to may. its an ongoing task like website etc, we dont have roles for that either |
| 20:54 | Joubu | yes, congrats. It's good news |
| 20:54 | BobB | it would be great to have a team of wiki maintainers, but maybe we just elect thd now and add the others when they consent? |
| 20:55 | thd | It was added to the roles in the past so I re-added this time. |
| 20:55 | cait | sounds good to me BobB |
| 20:55 | BobB | I take droif's point too |
| 20:56 | but its a role we really need | |
| 20:56 | thd | I had meant merely to indicate that others were willing but the category was missing and might not have put themselves forward without the category. |
| 20:56 | BobB | yep |
| 20:56 | barton | +1 for the role. |
| 20:57 | drojf | we certainly need it and i welcome everyone working on it, i just dont see the connection to the releases |
| 20:57 | rangi | moving on? |
| 20:57 | i gots work to do :-) | |
| 20:57 | thd | :) |
| 20:57 | cait | voting ofr thd now as BobB suggested |
| 20:58 | #startvote Wiki curator: Thomas Dukleth? yes, no, abstain | |
| 20:58 | huginn | Begin voting on: Wiki curator: Thomas Dukleth? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 20:58 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 20:58 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:58 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:58 | khall_away | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | bgkriegel | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | NateC | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 20:59 | MKuhn | #vote yes |
| 21:00 | cait | closing vote |
| 21:00 | #endvote | |
| 21:00 | huginn | Voted on "Wiki curator: Thomas Dukleth?" Results are |
| 21:00 | yes (11): wizzyrea, khall_away, josef_moravec, NateC, BobB, bag, tcohen, MKuhn, thd, rangi, bgkriegel | |
| 21:00 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 21:00 | arg | |
| 21:00 | cait | #agreed Wiki curator: Thomas Dukleth |
| 21:00 | changing topic? | |
| 21:00 | khall_away | Heh |
| 21:00 | barton | ah, I looked away, and... oops, breakfast. |
| 21:00 | schnydszch | #vote yes |
| 21:00 | khall_away | Lol |
| 21:00 | cait | moving on |
| 21:00 | bag | that’s 3rd breakfast or second lunch barton |
| 21:00 | cait | #topic KohaCon |
| 21:00 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 21:01 | cait | schnydszch? |
| 21:01 | wahanui | schnydszch is it June 12-16 Monday - Friday? |
| 21:01 | barton | 1st dinner, bag. |
| 21:01 | schnydszch | June 13 to 16 |
| 21:01 | khall_away | Second dinner is best |
| 21:01 | schnydszch | Tuesday to saturday |
| 21:01 | BobB | or 13 to 17? |
| 21:01 | wahanui | 8.65041591938134e+18 |
| 21:02 | schnydszch | June 13 to 17 sorry |
| 21:02 | BobB | cool |
| 21:02 | schnydszch | June 12 is independence day in the Philippines |
| 21:03 | tcohen1 joined #koha | |
| 21:03 | * tcohen1 | just kicked that wifi router |
| 21:03 | schnydszch | Thanks by the way to the 10 people who already preregistered. We hope that those even 1% sure going pre-register in the google form |
| 21:04 | cait | #info dates are June 13 to 17, 12 being independence day in the Philippines |
| 21:04 | Joubu | I preregister not to have to pay 100$ if I can come |
| 21:04 | maybe I should not tell that... | |
| 21:05 | bag | bbias |
| 21:05 | Joubu | (I can bargain it if I cannot attend, something like 50$ ;)) |
| 21:05 | schnydszch | We're trying to negotiate the venue rental hence the fee. The venue rental is Php100,000.00 per day. We will be presenting in the 17th |
| 21:05 | rangi | did we find out why we are breaking the tradition of no fee for kohacon? |
| 21:06 | schnydszch | Or you can help us in making it free :) |
| 21:06 | Nigeria charged 150 | |
| 21:06 | http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]com/registration/ | |
| 21:07 | BobB | schnydszch you need to make a budget for the conference |
| 21:07 | rangi | yep, and that was unpopular and decided not to do it again, it was free again in greece |
| 21:07 | BobB | then when you know how much you need we can work out how to fund it |
| 21:07 | thd | In the case of Nigeria, that was sadly an issue for safety of the venue location. |
| 21:07 | bag | and it ended up being safe |
| 21:08 | BobB | Philipinnes has its issues too |
| 21:08 | schnydszch | We will try to make it free as much as possible. We're waiting for a meeting with the organization registered with the securities and exchange commissi9n of the philippines so we can solicit even local companies |
| 21:08 | * rangi | will bow out, im not planning to attend anyway so others can decide |
| 21:08 | bag | yes it does - just looked at the usgov state department - and it is not on the no travel list |
| 21:08 | cait | #info 10 people already preregistered, please register if you plan to attend (link to the form was send to the mailing list) |
| 21:09 | BobB | parts of the country are 'no travel' on the Australian advisory |
| 21:09 | but the wider problem is an apparent breakdown in the rule of law | |
| 21:10 | I'll be making bookings, but keeping an eye on that situation | |
| 21:10 | schnydszch | You can help us make it free if you can send us figures to be added for the presentation to ayala museum bosses like cost vis-a-vis proprietary |
| 21:10 | * fridolin | saying good night and see u soon |
| 21:10 | fridolin left #koha | |
| 21:10 | schnydszch | No worries BobB |
| 21:10 | bag | singapore airlines has very cheap tickets flying from san fransisco |
| 21:10 | cait | schnydszch: have you sned out a call for sponsors yet? |
| 21:11 | schnydszch | Not yet cait. After our meeting with the Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines |
| 21:12 | but the form has a clause if they plan or their company plans on sponsoring | |
| 21:13 | drojf | ebsco asked me about sponsorship options |
| 21:13 | where should i forward that to? (email) | |
| 21:13 | schnydszch | Are they okay with jusf the name of the volunteers first? |
| 21:14 | drojf | i don't know what is interesting for them, you have to talk to them |
| 21:14 | schnydszch | Please email me eugenegfyahoo.com. infoonstrike.com.ph infotulong-aklatan.com.ph |
| 21:15 | drojf | ok |
| 21:16 | cait | ok, somehting to add? |
| 21:16 | otherwise moving on :) | |
| 21:16 | as we are runnign late, i'd like to not discuss Kohacon18 this time | |
| 21:16 | schnydszch | By the way, we're also waiting for the result of the gra t proposal from the National Commission for Culture and the Arts |
| 21:16 | * LibraryClaire | says goodnight |
| 21:17 | schnydszch | Of the Philippines to help us defray expenses. |
| 21:17 | BobB | you need a budget ... then you know how much you need :) |
| 21:18 | cait | ok, moving on unless somoene stops me fast :) |
| 21:18 | thd | cait++ |
| 21:18 | cait | #topic Bugzilla vs. Github/Gitlab |
| 21:18 | Topic for #koha is now Bugzilla vs. Github/Gitlab (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 21:18 | cait | petter: still there? |
| 21:18 | wahanui | there is one... but i don't know it |
| 21:18 | schnydszch | The last time an international conference was held in the Philippines, it was full of locals |
| 21:18 | rangi | i have to run out to a meeting soon, but ill quickly note down my thoughts |
| 21:19 | not opposed to gitlab (with caveats) | |
| 21:19 | fundamentally opposed to github (i find telling people they should use FOSS and then using proprietary tools to dev it is hypocritical) | |
| 21:19 | cait | schnydszch: I think locals are good actually :) |
| 21:19 | thd | rangi++ |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | rangi++ |
| 21:19 | rangi | the caveats are, that with gitlab .. how do we implement our signoff/qa process |
| 21:19 | schnydszch | Hence the preregistration. Althougb we can say that we won't accept walk-ins, there will always be those who will not follow |
| 21:20 | cait | it also means people have to register with a service we can't control |
| 21:20 | schnydszch | Okay that's all for now :) |
| 21:20 | rangi | do we end up with gerrit or some other peer review tool? which is arguably much harder to use than git-bz |
| 21:20 | those are my thoughts anyway | |
| 21:20 | tcohen1 | we can have our own gitlab setup |
| 21:20 | schnydszch | We want to control.it to 250 or less :) |
| 21:21 | tcohen1 | I don't like gitlab, but we could |
| 21:21 | cait | schnydszch: sorry, running late today - didn't want to interrupt you |
| 21:21 | Joubu | rangi: harder to use but much more efficient for reviews |
| 21:22 | schnydszch | I'm done already. The floor is yours :) |
| 21:22 | BobB | schnydszh typically KohaCon is mostly local people, with varying numbers of international attendees |
| 21:22 | rangi | Joubu: yep, it does cut down the pool of users signing off tho .. when we need to increase that |
| 21:22 | BobB | locals are good, as someone else said |
| 21:22 | schnydszch | Noted BobB |
| 21:22 | rangi | Joubu: so I see that as the problem that we need to solve .. maybe there are better tools than gerrit now? |
| 21:22 | cait | before we consider a switch, i'd like to see how we can handle things in our workflow, i have no experience with gitlab, but adding a quick follow up or rebasing for a new dev should be easy to do |
| 21:23 | Joubu | did not find something else when I had a look |
| 21:23 | thd | To my knowledge Bugzilla has significantly more features which can be customised suitably than any competing bug tracker. I do not know why anyone would want to use something with fewer options to turn to our purpose. |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | it took years of iteration to get to the process we have now |
| 21:23 | changing it will require a similar amount of time. | |
| 21:23 | rather, changing it to a point where it is as natural and understood as it is now will take that long. | |
| 21:24 | I'm not opposed to it (though I am opposed to github. full nopetopus.) | |
| 21:24 | Joubu | I think we need to wait for petter to get the pros :) |
| 21:25 | BobB | its also very important that it be accessible to librarians, not just devs |
| 21:25 | Joubu | I personnaly find gitlab slower than bugzilla (maybe because I did not optimize it on my server) |
| 21:27 | barton | How does gitlab compare to bugzilla in terms of searching for bugs? |
| 21:27 | cait | #info please refer to full logs for discussion - lots of info there |
| 21:28 | barton | ... that's my only gripe with bugzilla. |
| 21:29 | drojf | did i miss the part about why we should switch to something else in general? |
| 21:29 | rangi | drojf: i think petter is not here to talk to that |
| 21:29 | drojf | ah ok |
| 21:29 | cait | hm he was there at the beginning |
| 21:29 | we might have lost him | |
| 21:29 | drojf | we voted too long |
| 21:30 | cait | barton: i think bugzilla's search is mighty, we just don't use the same terms often for the same things, that's the issue that makes it hard to find stuff :) |
| 21:30 | in my opinion not a thing that a new tool can solve | |
| 21:30 | barton | I can't argue with that... |
| 21:30 | rangi | maybe the problem is we write bad bug descriptions :-) |
| 21:32 | cait | i think we have colleced a lot of info |
| 21:32 | drojf | good night, gotta sleep off the flu. don't change all infrastructure until i'm back :P |
| 21:32 | cait | or opionins |
| 21:32 | let'smove on? | |
| 21:32 | Joubu | We improved it a lot, but we can always do better |
| 21:32 | thd | Maybe we should add some guidance about how to describe a bug better for easier finding. |
| 21:33 | barton | thd++ |
| 21:34 | bag | move on |
| 21:34 | barton | that too. |
| 21:34 | * rangi | has to go to a meeting at the nz treasury dept .. ill try to fix the world economy when im there |
| 21:34 | rangi | bbl |
| 21:34 | bag | well we’ve got that going for us now ;) |
| 21:35 | barton | heh. |
| 21:35 | Next topic? | |
| 21:35 | wahanui | Next topic is a tricky one... |
| 21:35 | cait | #topic Support provider registration email list |
| 21:35 | Topic for #koha is now Support provider registration email list (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 21:35 | cait | sorry, got distracted |
| 21:35 | i am not sure who added that | |
| 21:35 | barton | I did. |
| 21:36 | bag | we jumped over the marketing one |
| 21:36 | barton | yeah, that's more important. |
| 21:36 | cait | coming back tot hat |
| 21:36 | barton | Ah. Ok. |
| 21:36 | bag | ah ok :) |
| 21:36 | cait | barton: can you quickly explain? |
| 21:37 | barton | so quickly, as I understand it, In India, there's a law that says that support providers |
| 21:37 | need to register with some governing entity... | |
| 21:37 | so we get a lot of requests added on the Koha mailing list. | |
| 21:38 | rangi | (not a law, lots of people put 'must be a registered support provider' in their RFP) |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | 1 we are not and have never been a governing entity. |
| 21:38 | rangi | the longest running Koha supporter |
| 21:38 | barton | It's an important function, but I think that it lowers the signal to noise ratio. |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | 2 what rangi said |
| 21:38 | rangi | indranil only registered this year, because of that RFP madness |
| 21:38 | its not a law tho .. just a bad idea | |
| 21:38 | and now i have to get in a taxi ;) | |
| 21:38 | BobB | they totally misunderstand what the list is - it gives no credit or endorsement of any kind |
| 21:39 | cait | i think if we limit to a list |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | 3 i am glad to have the many eyes on them |
| 21:39 | cait | it will ge tless eyes on it |
| 21:39 | i don't mind them oing to the main list | |
| 21:39 | barton | right ... anyway, I'd like to move that discussion off the koha mailing list. |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | oppose that |
| 21:39 | the subjects should be filterable if you don't want to see them | |
| 21:40 | cait | i think they hsould not be hidden on a separate list to be honest |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 21:40 | cait | they belong in the ocmmunity channel |
| 21:41 | thd | cait++ ; wizzyrea++ |
| 21:41 | Joubu | I clicked on some links once, and almost 1 out 2 does not provide a link to k-c.org or any mentions to Koha |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | it is an important function that many people check them |
| 21:43 | BobB | India's a problem - more Koha users than anywhere else on the planet and very few contributions to the project (Indra honourably excepted) |
| 21:44 | cait | a lot of the support providers listed are not active contributors |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | BUT we do not limit people from being listed based on that |
| 21:45 | cait | not only from india - but i think that's not something we can do much about it |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | the only requirements are the ones stated |
| 21:45 | cait | and if we tried to - what kind of contribution makes it valid? |
| 21:45 | to get listed | |
| 21:45 | Joubu | It may be better to maintain a list of active contributors, by company |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | we aren't going to try to. I'd drop the list first. |
| 21:45 | Joubu | (we already almost have it with the dashboard, but only on 1 year) |
| 21:45 | cait | we also have the git stats |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | But I agree with joubu, that list could be helpful as a supplement |
| 21:46 | the list of code contributors | |
| 21:46 | cait | not so pretty, but you can see a lot there if you want to |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | anyway, next topic? |
| 21:47 | cait | ok |
| 21:47 | any action to take her before we move on? | |
| 21:47 | thd | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:47 | cait | #topic Koha Marketing Group or Committee |
| 21:47 | Topic for #koha is now Koha Marketing Group or Committee (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 21:47 | barton | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:48 | cait | last one for today, thx all for being here still :) |
| 21:48 | handing over to bag | |
| 21:48 | bag | ok I wrote my notes out - so I will just copy and paste |
| 21:48 | then give everyone a minute to read | |
| 21:48 | I think that we should have a group that is in charge of marketing Koha. | |
| 21:48 | Plenty of ideas here. Spotlight libraries that are using Koha and tell their stores | |
| 21:48 | website content | |
| 21:48 | blogposts | |
| 21:48 | press releases | |
| 21:48 | marketing series on all the great things that Koha already does and has been doing for years (like multi-tenant or webservices) | |
| 21:48 | Something that would help fight FUD ;) | |
| 21:48 | Anyways I was thinking that we start a little group or committee that would be interested in doing that. NateC has volunteered to be the lead on that - get the meetings going - offering a place to host the meeting - so ideas can flow. | |
| 21:48 | Should we do this? And how do we start? Any one here interested in volunteering to help? | |
| 21:48 | Maybe call it the Koha Informations Group | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | sorry bag I have to run but I am for this initiative |
| 21:49 | BobB | This idea came up at KohaCon14 in Cordoba iirc |
| 21:49 | bag | yes but we never pulled the trigger BobB |
| 21:50 | I think NateC is ready for it now :) | |
| 21:50 | BobB | its a good idea, if there people to carry it forward |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | do let me know if you require any things from the website. I've been meaning to do a not-slight overhaul of it anyway |
| 21:50 | NateC | This could also help with the last issue that was discussed, in that contributing companies are spotlighted more so than those that are not by talking about the devs that were added |
| 21:50 | Ive been ready for this for a long time. We don't have a loud enough voice in the global library community | |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | (nothing drastic, just tidying and adding/removing content) |
| 21:51 | bag | cool wizzyrea - noted ;) we’ll make sure that any committee or group works with you :) |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | we certainly can't compete with the funding that ebsco has for their not-at-all-revolutionary thing |
| 21:51 | bag | good luck at your meeting |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | ha thanks :) |
| 21:51 | bag | So should we take this to the mailing lists to look for volunteers? |
| 21:51 | NateC | wizzyrea: correct, but some social media and press and content is much better than none |
| 21:52 | bag | that sounds like an action for NateC? |
| 21:52 | schnydszch | Question on place natehas in mind? Virtual or real place? |
| 21:52 | bag | virtual |
| 21:52 | wahanui | i think virtual is available at https://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 21:53 | cait | we also discussed this in 'Marseille a bit |
| 21:53 | bag | most likely zoom or hangouts or something like that - whatever we could agree apon that has a low barrier for participation |
| 21:53 | cait | maybe we just need to rename a few things :) |
| 21:53 | schnydszch | Haha |
| 21:53 | thd | We should be just a little cautious about avoiding the effect of advertising for particular support companies in presenting case studies, etc. |
| 21:53 | bag | very true cait |
| 21:53 | NateC | basically if I get the blessing from the community I can run with this |
| 21:54 | BobB | so what is the motion here? That we endorse efforts to form a Koha Marketing group? |
| 21:55 | schnydszch | It seems I can volunteer on this |
| 21:55 | bag | ok so cait I think the next action - is NateC takes this to the mailing list and asks for volunteers to join in |
| 21:55 | BobB ^^ | |
| 21:55 | schnydszch: awesome!! | |
| 21:55 | wahanui | That'll be NOK 10 for the awesome jar, bag |
| 21:55 | bag | NateC: I also noticed that David Nind said he would join in too with you |
| 21:55 | cait | #action NateC to take the Marketing Group idea to the mailing list to ask for volunteers |
| 21:55 | bag | so you’ve got 3 ;) |
| 21:56 | BobB | cait +1 |
| 21:56 | NateC | ok am i taking it to the list to create the group, look for volunteers or both? |
| 21:56 | cait | both sounds good to me |
| 21:56 | bag | both NateC |
| 21:56 | BobB | yep |
| 21:56 | NateC | ok |
| 21:56 | cait | i don't think someone will oppose the general idea |
| 21:57 | NateC | until after the fact you mean cait ;) |
| 21:57 | bag | ha |
| 21:57 | ok that’s it cait - move on ;) | |
| 21:57 | tcohen1 | hehe |
| 21:57 | BobB | two hour meeting, is this a record? |
| 21:57 | cait | #topic Set date and time for next meeting |
| 21:57 | Topic for #koha is now Set date and time for next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 2 November 2016) | |
| 21:58 | khall_away | Probably! |
| 21:58 | cait | Joubu: awake still? |
| 21:58 | thd | Number of items on the agenda may be a record. |
| 21:58 | BobB | December 7? |
| 21:58 | cait | yeah, lots of info in the logs |
| 21:59 | ok by me | |
| 21:59 | BobB | time? |
| 21:59 | wahanui | i think time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/ |
| 21:59 | cait | i was hoping Joubu could help me out with a meeting time suggestion |
| 21:59 | Joubu | erk |
| 21:59 | yes | |
| 21:59 | sec | |
| 21:59 | cait | and i'd like to ask if someone wants to give chairing a try |
| 21:59 | Joubu | https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD |
| 21:59 | says | |
| 22:00 | 1 or 2 pm is the best | |
| 22:00 | cait | i will probably be around if any help with the bot is required and there is a wiki page now too :) |
| 22:00 | Joubu | but it was for dev meetings |
| 22:00 | cait | 2 utc? |
| 22:00 | wahanui | 2 utc is unfair to europe, not everyone |
| 22:00 | BobB | here joubu, or where you are? |
| 22:00 | Joubu | yes |
| 22:00 | JoshB joined #koha | |
| 22:00 | JoshB left #koha | |
| 22:00 | Joubu | but we will need to find another one to switch with |
| 22:01 | cait | i think the problem might be not many votes from oz/nz |
| 22:01 | Joubu | people can continue to vote :) |
| 22:01 | bag | 2 utc and 14 utc? |
| 22:01 | or is 12 hours off bad | |
| 22:02 | BobB | we're 10 hours ahead of europe now, NZ12 |
| 22:02 | thd | 2 UTC had problems of extremely low attendance when we tried for an extended period in rotation. |
| 22:02 | cait | 2 utc is 3am |
| 22:03 | that's in my black zone | |
| 22:03 | i can get up early... but not that early :) | |
| 22:03 | Joubu | I said 2pm |
| 22:03 | not am | |
| 22:03 | BobB | we can never solve this, everyone time is bad in either europe, us, or south asia/oceania |
| 22:03 | cait | Joubu: can you send a tim econverter link? |
| 22:03 | Joubu | or you are searching for another one... |
| 22:03 | cait | is that 14utc then? |
| 22:03 | Joubu | https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]l?iso=20161109T14 |
| 22:04 | tcohen1 joined #koha | |
| 22:04 | * bag | gives up - will try to attend if the timing isn’t the worst. Will agree to whenevers |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | NateC: err, I didn't mean that ebsco thing in a challenging way, more in a "sigh they are well funded" way. |
| 22:05 | bag | consensus at its finiest |
| 22:05 | BobB | like bag said |
| 22:05 | schnydszch | 4am was the start of the meeting for the philippines ;) |
| 22:05 | cait | i am confused |
| 22:05 | help | |
| 22:05 | so 7th december | |
| 22:05 | bag | yes |
| 22:05 | Joubu | 7th 14UTC |
| 22:05 | cait | whoever volunteers to chair picks the time? ;) |
| 22:05 | Joubu | then will see next time |
| 22:06 | bag | 7th 14UTC and Joubu is chair ;) |
| 22:06 | Joubu | I am not volunteer to chair, but I picked the time. Half of the work is done :) |
| 22:06 | bag | :P |
| 22:06 | cait | #agreed Next meeting will be on December 7, 14 UTC |
| 22:06 | bag maybe? | |
| 22:06 | BobB | ok guys, customers are waiting |
| 22:06 | bag | #info chair to be decided (TBD) |
| 22:06 | thd | BobB, How does 14 UTC work for Oceania? |
| 22:07 | cait | #action all volunteer to chair the next meeting! |
| 22:07 | Joubu | BobB: Please fill the pool |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | it's icky, 3am |
| 22:07 | Joubu | wizzyrea: same for you ;) |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | but eh |
| 22:07 | BobB | its 1 am in Sydney and 3 am in NZ (if I have the world spinning in the right direction) |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | don't let it stop you I reckon |
| 22:07 | JoshB joined #koha | |
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| 22:07 | cait | #action all please vote in the meeting survey to help find good meeting times - https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD |
| 22:07 | ew | |
| 22:08 | still ending now - please try to find consensus on list for times - i am falling asleep :) | |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | 12-13 hours off from europe :) |
| 22:08 | cait | #endmeeting |
| 22:08 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 22:08 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Nov 2 22:08:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:08 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-02-20.01.html | |
| 22:08 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-11-02-20.01.txt | |
| 22:08 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-20.01.log.html | |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | (nz anyway0 |
| 22:08 | cait | thx all for attending! |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | thanks for chairing cait++ |
| 22:08 | BobB | thanks cait !! |
| 22:09 | Joubu | Thanks cait |
| 22:09 | good night/day all! | |
| 22:09 | thd | We should always be prepared to revisit issues, but I think that we are moving away from what had been a good consensus which was least bad for almost everyone. |
| 22:09 | BobB | cait I can chair when you can't but I cannot offer to do it regularly |
| 22:09 | and a european is more likely available for most meetings | |
| 22:09 | thd | s/what/what hours/ |
| 22:10 | * thd | heads to a meeting. |
| 22:11 | cait | thx BobB - triyng to get a bigger pool of people comfortable iwth chairing |
| 22:11 | kidclamp volunteered for the next dev meeting :) | |
| 22:11 | BobB | happy to be part of a pool :) |
| 22:12 | cait | BobB++ |
| 22:12 | you can then have meetings at my 3am too heh | |
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| 22:12 | cait | hi andreashm - you missed otu on the meeting fun :) |
| 22:12 | bag | thanks cait |
| 22:13 | andreashm | yeah, I noticed |
| 22:13 | hi cait btw | |
| 22:13 | quickly scrolling through the log and all the voting tipped me off. =) | |
| 22:15 | cait | heh |
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| 22:27 | reiveune | bye |
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