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| 00:36 | bag | @later tell magnuse - any comment on this one? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15169 |
| 00:36 | huginn` | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:36 | 04Bug 15169: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add for NORMARC transformation to new metadata formats | |
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| 03:17 | Amit_Gupta | hi all |
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| 07:34 | drojf | morning #koha |
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| 07:52 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:52 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 08:13 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:17 | cait | morning #koha |
| 08:36 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 08:47 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 09:00 | Joubu | hi |
| 09:00 | wahanui | what's up, Joubu |
| 09:10 | cait | morning Joubu :) |
| 09:10 | * LibraryClaire | waves |
| 09:11 | magnuse | @later tell bag thanks, i have added bug 15169 to my todo list |
| 09:11 | huginn` | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:57 | Joubu | There are 2 bugs (1 critical and 1 blocker) waiting for signoff: bug 15358 and bug 6657 |
| 10:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15358 blocker, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , merge.pl does not populate values to merge |
| 10:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6657 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index | |
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| 12:48 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:49 | druthb | Hi, oleonard! |
| 12:49 | * cait | waves |
| 13:05 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 13:05 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is -15.8°C (8:05 AM EST on January 13, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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| 14:28 | oleonard | First IRC meeting since I'm "back" and I'm going to miss it because I'll be in-transit. |
| 14:28 | cait++ # for sending the reminder | |
| 14:28 | cait | i almost forgot :) |
| 14:29 | oleonard: driving a car? | |
| 14:29 | oleonard | Yes, leaving to pick up the kids from school |
| 14:29 | cait | hm ok, excused ;) |
| 14:29 | wahanui | cait: Sticky bits on disk. |
| 14:29 | cait | excuse? |
| 14:29 | wahanui | cait: user to computer ratio too high. |
| 14:31 | cait | excuse? |
| 14:31 | wahanui | cait: Runt packets |
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| 14:55 | cait | Joubu++ FK patches |
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| 16:00 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:36 | eythian | @wunder Amsterdam, nl |
| 17:36 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeerderbrug, Aalsmeerderbrug, Netherlands is 5.0°C (6:30 PM CET on January 13, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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| 17:37 | circ-user-1YnZJ | hello |
| 17:38 | do you know how can i add phpmyadmin to koha admin page? | |
| 17:43 | oleonard | circ-user-1YnZJ: You could add an HTML link to the IntranetmainUserblock system preference and it would show up on the Koha staff client home page |
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| 17:47 | circ-user-1YnZJ | i mean how can i add phpmyadmin to koha |
| 17:47 | ? | |
| 17:48 | i jsut want to make an backup database | |
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| 17:54 | oleonard | circ-user-1YnZJ: Are you asking how to install phpmyadmin on your koha server? |
| 17:57 | circ-user-1YnZJ | yes |
| 17:58 | and link its to koha admin page | |
| 17:58 | some where around about koha, koha administrator | |
| 17:58 | i want to see its as a tap box | |
| 17:59 | oleonard | How to install phpMyAdmin isn't really a question for a Koha support channel. It would be better to consult the phpMyAdmin documentation |
| 18:10 | drojf | meeting in two hours? |
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| 19:30 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15337: Make itemtypes retrieved with GetItemTypes ordered by descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c29f5736230e9d68f> / Bug 15337: Add tests to ensure that GetItemTypes will return element ordered by desc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]27662ddbb03080ae1> |
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| 19:45 | cait | 15 minutes to koha meeting! |
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| 19:46 | bag | w00t |
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| 19:53 | * andreashm | waves |
| 19:54 | cait | 7 mins! |
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| 19:55 | bag | sweet thanks magnuse |
| 19:55 | bug 15169 | |
| 19:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15169 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add for NORMARC transformation to new metadata formats |
| 19:55 | oleonard | Sorry to miss the meeting. See y'all later. |
| 19:56 | cait | bye oleonard |
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| 20:00 | cait | everyone has his coffee/beer/beverage of choice ready? |
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| 20:00 | cait | #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016 |
| 20:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 20:00:50 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 20:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016' |
| 20:00 | JesseM | :) coffee |
| 20:00 | cait | Welcome all! |
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| 20:01 | cait | today's agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_13_January_2016 |
| 20:01 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_13_January_2016 | |
| 20:01 | #topic Introductions | |
| 20:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 20:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 20:01 | cait | please introduce yourself like wahanui just did, using #info |
| 20:01 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto - ByWater, USA |
| 20:01 | blou | #blou, a bot not quite so sentient |
| 20:01 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
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| 20:02 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher - ByWater Solutions |
| 20:02 | Colinc | #info Colin Campbell, ptfs-europe |
| 20:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 20:02 | blou | #info Philippe Blouin, inLibro |
| 20:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 20:02 | khall | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, UK |
| 20:02 | hbraum | #info Heather Braum, NEKLS/NExpress, Lawrence, KS, USA |
| 20:02 | andreashm | #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library |
| 20:02 | jmsasse | #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek, USA |
| 20:02 | cait | :) |
| 20:02 | nice! | |
| 20:02 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 20:03 | barton_kohameeting | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville KY USA |
| 20:03 | cait | ok, let's move on to our first topic for tonight :) |
| 20:03 | #topic Announcements | |
| 20:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 20:04 | cait | anyony any announcements? |
| 20:04 | tubaclarinet | #info Christopher Davis, Uintah County Library, Utah, USA |
| 20:04 | cait | anyone... |
| 20:04 | wahanui | anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
| 20:04 | rangi | next week is the group work for the academy |
| 20:04 | please add the keyword Academy in the keyword field to any bugs that you think might be ok for them to look at | |
| 20:05 | cait | #info next week is group work week for the academy at Catalyst IT - please add the academy keyword to any bugs you think would be ok for them to look at |
| 20:05 | ok = not too hard to fix? | |
| 20:05 | rangi | yeah, preferably don't touch the db ;) |
| 20:05 | cait | :) |
| 20:05 | anything else? | |
| 20:05 | wahanui | anything else is just being crap |
| 20:05 | drojf | i got feedback for the pre-kohacon meeting in berlin. there is only one short day now (thursday) |
| 20:06 | rangi | but id rather have more, even if we go, oh thats too hard, than have only a few to pick from |
| 20:06 | bag | are there currently any that are marked? |
| 20:06 | rangi | if that makes sense |
| 20:06 | yep | |
| 20:06 | Joubu | rangi: to signoff, submit a patch or both? |
| 20:06 | rangi | if you do a search in bugs for that keyword, you will find them ;) |
| 20:06 | Joubu: both please | |
| 20:06 | wahanui | rumour has it both is best :) |
| 20:06 | Joubu | rangi: ok great :) |
| 20:07 | cait | #info Pre-KohaCon meeting in Berlin has room secured - only one short day now (Thursday) |
| 20:07 | moving on? | |
| 20:07 | drojf | there may be a catmandu workshop |
| 20:07 | cait | :) |
| 20:08 | drojf | or in greece, depends |
| 20:08 | bag | :) |
| 20:08 | cait | moving on! |
| 20:08 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 20:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 20:08 | andreashm | oh catmandu |
| 20:08 | wahanui | it has been said that catmandu is pretty super awesome |
| 20:09 | cait | jajm, wizzyrea, fredericd? bag? |
| 20:09 | bag | I have some - should I go first? |
| 20:09 | rangi | i think wizzyrea is still on the bus |
| 20:09 | cait | yep please start bag |
| 20:09 | bag | Jenkins (once tcohen is back in the office I will spend sometime with him so we can get master stable again) |
| 20:10 | I am really interested in XSS patches from Joubu ( needs QA http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 ) | |
| 20:10 | huginn` | 04Bug 13618: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 20:10 | bag | qa team that would be awesome if we nudge that along |
| 20:10 | cait | I am on it, I think it's pretty close now |
| 20:10 | khall | excellent! |
| 20:10 | bag | sweet |
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| 20:11 | bag | Change in the wording on the bug (when changing the status to pushed to master). I want to put (Pushed to Master - Should be in the May 2016 release) - any objections? |
| 20:11 | wahanui | bag: that doesn't look right |
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| 20:11 | Joubu | bag: it's a very hard one, cait found bugs when I was sure there were not... |
| 20:11 | irma | #info Irma, CALYX Sydney : sorry I am late |
| 20:11 | Joubu | bag: we will certainly found some others when pushed |
| 20:12 | bag | yeah Joubu I think there are going to be some - I will be cautious when pushing - but would like that early early in the release cycle :) |
| 20:12 | Joubu | but at least if it's pushed not to close to the release, we will have time to get them! |
| 20:12 | rangi | nope |
| 20:12 | Joubu | :) |
| 20:12 | rangi | that was nope to bag, no objections to changing the text |
| 20:12 | not nope to that bag ;-) | |
| 20:13 | Joubu | bag: yep good idea |
| 20:13 | bag | cool it was brought to my attention that it was sort of hard to go back a few years and see a message “that was pushed to master” but when? heh |
| 20:13 | currently my goal is to keep the PQA queue low | |
| 20:13 | rangi | dont forget you have the release notes text area now too |
| 20:13 | Joubu | when you have it, but you don't know where :) |
| 20:13 | bag | Patches - it's all fair game now. Anything that is passed QA is a candidate to be pushed |
| 20:14 | we also Created Elastic Search branch for easy testing. ( http://git.koha-community.org/[…]478_elasticsearch ) | |
| 20:14 | bug 12478 | |
| 20:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha |
| 20:14 | Joubu | master is quite unstable at the moment, but we have patches in the queue |
| 20:15 | (I don't have the numbers, sorry) | |
| 20:15 | bag | it’s pretty close to master and I will work on trying to make sure that branch is close to current |
| 20:16 | yes it’s unstable - I want to work on that in the next couple of weeks. I was waiting for tcohen to come back so I can learn more about Jenkins - then I’m sure we’ll have some spots to attack | |
| 20:16 | would be great to get it stable | |
| 20:16 | Joubu | Why is the branch called new? |
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| 20:16 | cait1 | test |
| 20:16 | Joubu | it is the same as the one on the catalyst repo, right? |
| 20:16 | cait1 | sorry, i lost connection to IRC |
| 20:16 | reading back now quickly | |
| 20:17 | Joubu | (rebased I meant) |
| 20:17 | bag | hmmm something to do with how gmcharlt_ set up the permissions |
| 20:17 | yes it is the same as the catalyst repo currently | |
| 20:17 | rangi | i think you need to get your nick back before you can continue the meeting cait1 |
| 20:17 | cait1 | hm already exists |
| 20:18 | we need to kill the othe rcait | |
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| 20:18 | rangi | we cant |
| 20:18 | cait1 | ugh |
| 20:18 | rangi | it needs to timeout/fall off |
| 20:18 | cait was kicked by bag: cait | |
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| 20:18 | rangi | we can only kick it from the channel |
| 20:18 | which doesn't actually help | |
| 20:18 | bag | yeah whoops |
| 20:18 | rangi | the nick still exists |
| 20:18 | :) | |
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| 20:18 | drojf | you can kill it if you have a password |
| 20:18 | cait1 | hm let me try to remember |
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| 20:19 | cait1 | and +1 for adding the expected version to the RM push notes on bugs |
| 20:19 | cait | ok back :) |
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| 20:19 | bag | ok that’s really it from me. any questions? |
| 20:19 | cait | #info XSS patches on bug 13618 should be pushed soon - will have all to look out for bugs |
| 20:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 20:20 | cait | i got 2 things i already told while disconnected (noone saw) :) |
| 20:20 | sec | |
| 20:20 | bug 15358 | |
| 20:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15358 blocker, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , merge.pl does not populate values to merge |
| 20:20 | bag | yes saw that - it’s a blocker |
| 20:20 | Joubu | that's a bad on |
| 20:20 | cait | bug 6657 |
| 20:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6657 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index |
| 20:20 | bag | I’ll ask nick to test that |
| 20:21 | cait | Are in need for good testing and speedy sign-off please |
| 20:21 | bag | khall: can you ask nick to take a look at that one? |
| 20:21 | khall | will do! |
| 20:21 | cait | so we can get that fixed for the next maintenance releases |
| 20:21 | bag | hmm maybe both of those khall |
| 20:21 | cait | authority merge and authority add broken |
| 20:21 | khall | can do |
| 20:22 | Joubu | There is bug 15568 too |
| 20:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15568 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Circ rules are not displayed anymore |
| 20:22 | Joubu | (which is not really major) |
| 20:22 | khall | on the list |
| 20:22 | bag | cool |
| 20:23 | cait | #info please help with good testing and speedy sign off for evil bugs: 15358, 6657 (authorities) and 15568 (admin) |
| 20:23 | anything else? | |
| 20:23 | wahanui | hmmm... anything else is just being crap |
| 20:23 | bag | also I am completely open to anyone that has ideas on promotion of more sign-offers :) |
| 20:23 | I am working on getting more bywater peeps to do sign-offs (getting the right tools inplace first) | |
| 20:24 | cait | i think one problem is that we have a lot of hard to test things - architecture and internals |
| 20:24 | Joubu | bug 15570 affects stable releases |
| 20:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15570 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , circ/renew.pl is broken |
| 20:24 | bag | and will be putting an appeal to the librarians that work with bywater |
| 20:25 | cait | :) |
| 20:26 | bag: maybe organizing a test day like lyon did could help | |
| 20:26 | helping people to set up sandboxes for bugs they have picked before | |
| 20:26 | bag | cool :) noted |
| 20:27 | cait | ok, one last thing :) |
| 20:27 | andreashm | setting up sandboxes sounds like a good wau to make sign-offs easier |
| 20:27 | bag | once I am not traveling so much - I’ll be trying some virtual “help” too |
| 20:27 | tubaclarinet | I know there's <http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]9/koha-sandboxes/> but a video of it would be stellar! |
| 20:27 | cait | hm a tutorial video is a good idea! |
| 20:28 | #idea create a tutorial video about setting up a sandbox, testing and signing off with it | |
| 20:28 | barton | nengard has been looking at 'guide on the side' for training/documentation purposes, but I think that we could use it for testing as well |
| 20:28 | bag | cool I’ll ask nicole to create a video |
| 20:28 | cait | #idea organize a test day where libraries can pick bugs to test before and help them testing them (setting up sandboxes, fixing conflicts) |
| 20:28 | barton | +1 for video |
| 20:28 | cait | a webinar might work too |
| 20:29 | tubaclarinet | Please include in the video troubleshooting like symptoms of the wrong database, etc. |
| 20:29 | FWIW | |
| 20:29 | cait | maybe we could add an faq section to the wiki page |
| 20:29 | barton | good idea tubaclarinet. |
| 20:29 | cait | about problems |
| 20:29 | if you see... ... that did not work, because... | |
| 20:29 | tubaclarinet | faq section = :-) |
| 20:30 | cait | some other thing I'd like to get done - ashimema has volunteered to join the QA team again (yay!) - so i'd like to do a quick vote to see if we can make this happen :) |
| 20:30 | bag | +1 |
| 20:30 | cait | #startvote Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24? (yes,no) |
| 20:30 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . |
| 20:30 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:30 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:30 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | davidnind | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | khall | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | barton | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | drojf | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | jmsasse | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | hbraum | #vote yes |
| 20:31 | BobB | #vote Yes |
| 20:31 | cait | ending vote... |
| 20:32 | #endvote | |
| 20:32 | huginn` | Voted on "Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24?" Results are |
| 20:32 | yes (10): Joubu, davidnind, cait, jmsasse, barton, BobB, khall, bag, hbraum, drojf | |
| 20:32 | Colinc | #vote yes |
| 20:32 | andreashm | #vore yes |
| 20:32 | ah, damn, to late | |
| 20:32 | and misspelled. =) | |
| 20:32 | cait | #agreed Martin Renvoize joins the QA team for 3.24 - 12 yes votes |
| 20:33 | moving on to the next? | |
| 20:33 | bag | nice |
| 20:33 | cait | #topic Comments on Circ Rules Revamp |
| 20:33 | Topic for #koha is now Comments on Circ Rules Revamp (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 20:33 | ikourmou joined #koha | |
| 20:33 | bag | khall ^^^ |
| 20:33 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ackend_Revamp_RFC |
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| 20:34 | khall | We'd really like to nail down any issues with the circ rules revamp if there are any |
| 20:34 | anyone who is interested please read the rfc | |
| 20:34 | if you've already read it and have any questions now, I'm here to field them | |
| 20:34 | tubaclarinet | rfc = request for comment? |
| 20:34 | bag | yes |
| 20:35 | khall | I think this is very important in the long term as our movement to increasing amounts of circ rules has maid the current interface untenable |
| 20:35 | cait | I think i am slightly in favour of a more table like thing ot be honest |
| 20:35 | but that's me | |
| 20:35 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, India. |
| 20:35 | khall | cait: we already have a table like thing ; ) The primary goal is to move to a more flexible approach that allows for simpler rule sets |
| 20:35 | cait | I'd like something where I can easily compare rules for different itemtypes or different categories |
| 20:35 | khall | this approach doesn't jive all that well with a table based approach |
| 20:36 | Joubu | I think we need oleonard :) |
| 20:36 | khall | cait: that's already on my list! |
| 20:36 | cait | i am not sure how that would work with the mock up |
| 20:36 | ikourmou | #info Giannis Kourmoulis, Thessaloniki Greece |
| 20:36 | khall | I think a second screen that gives a matrix of types categories and libraries with what the rule will be ( and where that rule is coming from ) would be a good companion |
| 20:36 | andreashm | I have read the RFC... I'm a bit concerned that having a lot of issuing rules will make this new appoach hard to overview |
| 20:37 | BobB | indradg it must be early for you! |
| 20:37 | like middle of the night? | |
| 20:37 | andreashm | khall: that seems like a good approach |
| 20:37 | khall | andreashm: that is what the second screen I propose will take care of |
| 20:37 | thanks! | |
| 20:37 | indradg | BobB: 2:10 am |
| 20:37 | BobB | :) well done! |
| 20:38 | barton | cait -- how would you feel about some sort of explicit 'compare circ rules' functionality? |
| 20:38 | cait | khall: could youmaybe mock up the second screen too? |
| 20:38 | to get a better idea? | |
| 20:38 | hbraum | my consortia is sponsoring this development, although i’m very much letting pianohacker and khall take the reins on this. we’ve currently got 1200 issuingrule lines, so they have a good test case for lots of rules already. |
| 20:38 | * andreashm | would like that too |
| 20:38 | khall | cait: yes, I can do that |
| 20:38 | andreashm | hbraum: ouch |
| 20:38 | hbraum | and looking at the current mockup, a second screen overview would be helpful, I agree. |
| 20:38 | cait | #action khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page |
| 20:38 | bag | yeah 1200 lines is crazy |
| 20:39 | khall | The first step is to change the internals without changing the externals. If anyone has an issue with the proposed schema please let us know asap |
| 20:39 | cait | it will be a bit harder to get a nice excel sheet out :) |
| 20:40 | that's what we do now - because you can make it sortable | |
| 20:40 | if there is no longer a need for it... that might be not too bad | |
| 20:40 | khall | this would be a table too, so very sortable |
| 20:40 | rangi | first thing id do is create a script where you can pass a itemtype, categorycode and branch, and get back what the rule applied would be |
| 20:40 | then you can change the internals | |
| 20:40 | run that again | |
| 20:40 | and prove it hasn't suddenly changed | |
| 20:40 | khall | rangi: agreed, unit tests ++ |
| 20:41 | barton | khall: I've got most of that written. |
| 20:41 | rangi | that script could then have a web frontend put on it later, so librarians could choose from a drop down, and see what rule would be applied .. rather than having to read everything |
| 20:41 | why was this book issued for 4 weeks .. oh it used this rule | |
| 20:41 | khall | rangi: you're reading my mind ; ) We've discussed that idea |
| 20:41 | cait | #idea have a script that gives you the circ conditions for branch, itemtype and patron category entered |
| 20:42 | rangi | 70% of support queuries gone :) |
| 20:42 | khall | I think that should definitely be built in |
| 20:42 | bag | more time to signoff!!! |
| 20:42 | Joubu | bag: heh, we have found what you wanted |
| 20:42 | hbraum | rangi ha! no kidding. |
| 20:43 | barton | In design discussions, we talked about making the lookup available on the circ page too, just for reference. |
| 20:43 | cait | hbraum: nekls++ btw for sponsoring - much needed |
| 20:43 | for libraries with only 150 and less rules too :) | |
| 20:43 | ok, any more ideas or can we move on? | |
| 20:44 | full agenda tonight, but i don't want to rush youtoo much :) | |
| 20:44 | khall | going once |
| 20:44 | hbraum | yw! the overall development scope of the project will also help branch specific circ-related rules get applied through this, right khall? |
| 20:44 | khall | hbraum: yes! |
| 20:44 | cait | i'd lke to move up a topic - Kohacon16 |
| 20:44 | khall | it will hopefully be a grand unification theory for Koha circ rules |
| 20:45 | agreed, let's move on | |
| 20:45 | cait | #topic KohaCon16 - Greece |
| 20:45 | bag | thanks khall |
| 20:45 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 - Greece (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 20:45 | cait | ikourmou? |
| 20:45 | ikourmou | i'm here! |
| 20:45 | cait | I think we are all curious for an update :) |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst |
| 20:46 | ikourmou | we are working on the ocnference, we started with forming a committee |
| 20:46 | the dates are set | |
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| 20:46 | ikourmou | from 30th of may |
| 20:46 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ |
| 20:46 | ikourmou | to 4th of june |
| 20:46 | cait | #info dates are set - may 30 - june 4 |
| 20:47 | ikourmou | 3 first days of presentations, then a day off for a roadtrip for sightseeing |
| 20:47 | and then teo days for the hackfest | |
| 20:47 | the venue is already booked | |
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| 20:47 | ikourmou | and the webpage for the Kohacon16 will be live next week |
| 20:48 | I would like to ask you people for a couple of things... | |
| 20:48 | JesseM | ikourmou++ |
| 20:48 | ikourmou | there will be a call for presentations i suppose |
| 20:49 | what is the best way to deal with it? | |
| 20:49 | cait | hm you could look at how it was done the last years maybe |
| 20:49 | i think probably put it on the website, but alos send to the mailing lists | |
| 20:49 | ikourmou | do we have to specify subjects in advance? |
| 20:49 | rangi | nope |
| 20:50 | apart from, should be Koha related :) | |
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| 20:50 | cait | i think you can probably keep it simple :) |
| 20:50 | rangi | it's nice to get as many local presentations as you can too |
| 20:50 | ikourmou | ok, there are some thoughts on presentation subjects from the organising team here |
| 20:51 | aso, when would we start accepting registrations? | |
| 20:51 | cait | I think getting out the cfp would be highest prio now |
| 20:52 | some people onl yget funding for travel if they get to speak | |
| 20:52 | or it's easier for them | |
| 20:52 | and also with an idea about the program, more people might register - not sure | |
| 20:52 | ikourmou | ok, it could be done by next week |
| 20:53 | rangi | often it makes it easier for people to get funding |
| 20:53 | ikourmou | you mean a more specific program than i mentioned above, i suppose |
| 20:53 | rangi | to attend |
| 20:53 | if they can say "theres a presentation about linked data and Koha .. we want to do that" to their boss ;) | |
| 20:53 | if that makes sense | |
| 20:54 | ikourmou | ok, i understand |
| 20:54 | cait | ikourmou: i think if you have some specific topics oyu'd like to get presntations about you could put that in the cfp, but laeave it open for other ideas as well? |
| 20:54 | ikourmou | yes, that's what we were thinking |
| 20:55 | rangi | cool |
| 20:55 | cait | cool :) |
| 20:55 | BobB | re the conference dates, an early announcement to the mailing list is always good - announce early and announce often |
| 20:55 | drojf1 | ikourmou: i think it is not uncommon to get a few people from the community to help decide on the presentations once the call for papers is over. if you need help with that feel free to ask |
| 20:56 | ikourmou | BobB: already sent to koha mailing list and to koha news |
| 20:56 | BobB | keep doing it, just sayin' |
| 20:56 | ikourmou | BobB: will do again with the webpage address, thx |
| 20:57 | BobB | yes, very good |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | ikourmou: please let me know when you have stuff for the community kohacon16 page |
| 20:57 | ikourmou | thanks, drojf1, that was my next question |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | stuff = a url, specific copy you'd like there |
| 20:57 | otherwise you're leaving it up to me :) | |
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| 20:58 | ikourmou | and another question: |
| 20:59 | if we get to many proposals for presentations, what is the best way to choose? | |
| 20:59 | or should we try to fit them all to the schedule? | |
| 20:59 | rangi | that's up to you |
| 20:59 | but one question to ask is, are you definitely coming | |
| 21:00 | when i ran kohacon10 | |
| 21:00 | we got a lot of proposals, then a lot couldn't come | |
| 21:00 | so it's easy to drop those ones out | |
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| 21:00 | ikourmou | ok, i will note this - hadn't thought of it :-) |
| 21:00 | drojf1 | you may get a lot of papers from a single institution, who you could ask to share slots. if you got the same topic covered by a library and a support provider, choose the library |
| 21:00 | bag | magnuse: knuckles |
| 21:00 | rangi | after that, we had enough :) |
| 21:01 | drojf1 | or make them collaborate ;) |
| 21:01 | BobB | if you have the capacity, you can run parallel sessions too |
| 21:02 | rangi | which is kinda horrible imho |
| 21:02 | :) | |
| 21:02 | i think single track conferences are so so so much better than multi track | |
| 21:02 | irma | that would not be my choice ... parallel sessions |
| 21:02 | cait | yeah... having to pick... aah |
| 21:02 | fredericd | #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil |
| 21:02 | cait | :) |
| 21:02 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 21:02 | wahanui | que tal, magnuse |
| 21:03 | rangi | however, sometimes you can ask if someone would rather present as part of the hackfest |
| 21:03 | cait | having some kind of discussion/roundtable thing or question and answers is also good to fill slots |
| 21:03 | rangi | having said all this .. it's never been a problem in the past |
| 21:03 | irma | single track conferences ++ |
| 21:03 | cait | maybe worry, once the papers come in :) |
| 21:03 | rangi | and having too many presentations will be a new and exciting problem to solve :) |
| 21:03 | cait | oh, and set a deadline - i think i tmakes people actually write abstracts |
| 21:03 | can still extend if necessary | |
| 21:04 | ikourmou | we were thinking of placing "introductory" presentations in the morning sessions, leaving the more specialised ones for the afternoon |
| 21:04 | rangi | that makes sense to me |
| 21:04 | ikourmou | another question: |
| 21:04 | drojf1 | sleeping in ++ |
| 21:04 | ikourmou | Is there something we should take care of, regarding travel arrangements? |
| 21:05 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 21:05 | ikourmou | especially for people oustide the EU? |
| 21:05 | rangi | I have always found a page, that lists airports close |
| 21:05 | BobB | the conference should be accessible for librarians and newbies; very technical presentations can be left to the hackfest |
| 21:05 | rangi | really helpful |
| 21:05 | and maybe a link to VISA requirements etc | |
| 21:05 | also, for some people they make ask you for an invitation letter | |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | does greece ... yeah that |
| 21:06 | BobB | ikourmou I would like a scholarship to attend the conference please, $5k should do it :) |
| 21:06 | rangi | so having a letter you can sign and scan is handy too |
| 21:06 | (it helps with some people getting a VISA) | |
| 21:06 | ikourmou | BobB: I 'll see what we can do :) |
| 21:07 | BobB | thanks ikourmou, I will wait patiently |
| 21:07 | ikourmou | ok, noted (VISA info and invitation letter). thanks |
| 21:08 | cait | i forgot to add #info... but curious people wil read full minutes i hope |
| 21:08 | #info forgot to add more infos... lots of KohaCon infos in full meeting logs | |
| 21:08 | BobB | cait +1 |
| 21:08 | cait | ikourmou: any more questions? or questions for ikourmou? |
| 21:09 | rangi | http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]etting-to-ibadan/ <-- a page like that is handy |
| 21:09 | ikourmou | rangi: yes, i've seen that |
| 21:09 | Joubu | Are there good beers in Greece? |
| 21:10 | rangi | heh |
| 21:10 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Kohacon13/Social <--- i brought my own | |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | that's probably the most important question |
| 21:10 | ikourmou | is there anything that you would like sto stress out in general? especially you people that already organised a conference before... |
| 21:10 | rangi | but pages like that on the wiki are good to create too, also |
| 21:10 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Arrivals | |
| 21:11 | ikourmou | Jobu: a lot of microbreweries, i hope you will find interesting |
| 21:11 | Joubu | rangi: I will try to bring them! |
| 21:11 | ikourmou: great :) | |
| 21:12 | cait | #info there are lots of microbreweries in Greece |
| 21:12 | bag | I’m sold can we have kohacon next week? |
| 21:12 | cait | best advertising for kohacon... |
| 21:12 | heh | |
| 21:12 | i am all fo rit | |
| 21:12 | but i think we need to move on | |
| 21:12 | ikourmou | ok, thank you people for the advice :) |
| 21:13 | cait | #topic Update from the International Fund Committee |
| 21:13 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the International Fund Committee (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 21:13 | bag | not much besides - we tried to put together a meeting - but with holidays we weren’t able to find one |
| 21:13 | still working on the next meeting | |
| 21:13 | ikourmou | hope to see you in Greece! |
| 21:13 | cait | ikourmou: please get in contact if we can help in any wa |
| 21:13 | y | |
| 21:13 | bag | thanks ikourmou |
| 21:13 | cait | #info looking for dates for the next meeting |
| 21:13 | BobB | there are two things to do re fundraising |
| 21:14 | organise a meeting | |
| 21:14 | and write rules for the HLT Grants committee - Galen and I are to do that | |
| 21:15 | bag do you have any info on how much has been raised at HLT? I suspect not a lot yet? | |
| 21:15 | cait | #info Galen and BobBto write rules for the HLT Grants committee |
| 21:15 | bag | I don’t have that - but I can ask Jo and will report for the next meeting |
| 21:15 | cait | #action bag to ask how much has been raised so far |
| 21:15 | and report... | |
| 21:15 | wahanui | i guess report is for Overdues that we want to mail out from the library, not use peoples' emails. It needs to show the patrons' information and just the items that are overdue all on a single page. Each page needs to have one patron only. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 21:15 | BobB | cool, I'll have another go at scheduling a meeting |
| 21:16 | wahanui, read the manual | |
| 21:16 | wahanui | BobB: i'm not following you... |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | wahanui: forget report |
| 21:16 | wahanui | pianohacker: I forgot report |
| 21:16 | cait | #action BobB to schedule the meeting |
| 21:16 | any questions? | |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | also hi y'all |
| 21:17 | cait | moving on :) |
| 21:17 | #topic Let's Encrypt | |
| 21:17 | Topic for #koha is now Let's Encrypt (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 21:17 | drojf1 | we are running a little late already, i'm trying to make this short. i think it would be good to support letsencrypt as soon as possible |
| 21:18 | gmcharlt introduced me to eric hellman who is going to look into letsencrypt adoption by library projects for the library freedom project, they are pretty interested in this too | |
| 21:18 | cait | just a warning - if no protests i'd like to move the kohacon voting discussion nd the INSTALL.debian topics to the next meeting |
| 21:18 | drojf1 | i basically have two questions: 1) it's only debian script changes, can we have it in stable before 3.24 (when it's tested ok)? 2) should it become default eventually, or would that be considered antifeatureish? |
| 21:18 | cait | drojf1: does it have any new dependencies? |
| 21:19 | i think that hs been the major blocker for backporting - or one of them currently | |
| 21:19 | drojf1 | not in debian yet, beuase there is no package |
| 21:19 | * magnuse | would vote for getting it into 3.22.x |
| 21:19 | drojf1 | atm you need to checkout from git. i dont know how long this will take until its in the repo |
| 21:20 | the bug is 15303, i added a new patch today and it can be tested (please) | |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | +1 to make it very easy to SSL |
| 21:20 | drojf1 | i will open another for koha-letsencrypt to do it with existing installations |
| 21:20 | but in the long run i think it would be good to have this as a default (which can be overidden of course) | |
| 21:21 | magnuse | +1 to make it default |
| 21:21 | cait | maybe: backport but make it optional |
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| 21:21 | cait | and think about default for next release? |
| 21:22 | davidnind | I think it needs to be optional, for those behind firewalls |
| 21:22 | drojf1 | i would propose: backport, as optional. and label it experimental maybe, because you need to checkot the client yourself and stuff |
| 21:22 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:22 | cait | davidnind: i think it would always be - just thinking about the default setting |
| 21:22 | magnuse | make it easy to enable for existing sites and default for new sites |
| 21:22 | cait | i think i didn't phrase it right |
| 21:22 | drojf1 | oh. it should always be optional! |
| 21:22 | a default an be overridden of course | |
| 21:22 | cait | i meant non-default - not optional :) |
| 21:23 | drojf1 | it wont work for everyone, that is for sure |
| 21:23 | and some people will use their own certs, etc | |
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| 21:24 | drojf1 | but if we backport it now we also have more testers and can fix stuff before it may be a default |
| 21:24 | it's not interfering with koha codebase apart from the debian scripts | |
| 21:24 | cait | jajm is not here tonight, so we can't reall ymake a decision i think |
| 21:24 | drojf1 | true |
| 21:25 | cait | but we can get an idea about what poeple tend to maybe |
| 21:25 | is someone against backporting? | |
| 21:25 | or has questions? doubts? | |
| 21:25 | rangi | id wait until its packaged, it's kinda moot at this point ;) |
| 21:26 | (ie making a dependency, it needs to be debian packaged before we could that anyway) | |
| 21:26 | Joubu | I'll read the patch first :) |
| 21:26 | rangi | but certainly showing how to install it with Koha, is a great idea |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 21:26 | cait | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15303 |
| 21:27 | huginn` | 04Bug 15303: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations |
| 21:27 | drojf1 | i'll try to find out about the package situation |
| 21:28 | rangi | https://obs.library.workbuffer.org/ <-- uses letsencrypt fwiw |
| 21:28 | cait | btw drojf++ |
| 21:28 | rangi | thats my kids school |
| 21:28 | yep | |
| 21:28 | magnuse | yeah drojf++ |
| 21:28 | rangi | drojf++ |
| 21:28 | indradg | +1 for backporting |
| 21:29 | cait | #info please help testing the patches for Letsencrypt on bug 15303 |
| 21:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations |
| 21:29 | cait | any more questions? |
| 21:29 | drojf1 | ok that sabout it for now |
| 21:29 | that's about | |
| 21:30 | cait | are people ok with wrapping it up for today? |
| 21:30 | rangi | yep |
| 21:30 | davidnind | yep |
| 21:30 | drojf1 | +1 |
| 21:30 | BobB | yes |
| 21:30 | Colinc | yep |
| 21:30 | cait | we didn't cover INSTALL.debian and KohaCon17, KohaCon voting - so pushing those to next time |
| 21:30 | #topic Next meeting | |
| 21:30 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016) | |
| 21:31 | drojf1 | we will push the voring stuff until the next vote :P |
| 21:31 | *voting | |
| 21:31 | cait | #info INSTALL.debian, KohaCon17, and KohaCon voting mechanism are postponed to the next meeting |
| 21:31 | drojf1: or first on agenda next time :) | |
| 21:31 | what about february 3rd? | |
| 21:32 | drojf1 | sounds good to me (3rd) |
| 21:32 | davidnind | +1 |
| 21:32 | magnuse | +1 |
| 21:32 | cait | what time? |
| 21:32 | wahanui | i think time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/ |
| 21:32 | Colinc | +1 |
| 21:32 | rangi | +1 |
| 21:32 | cait | 10 UTC? |
| 21:32 | wahanui | rumour has it 10 UTC is a good time, but is very early on east coast USA |
| 21:33 | magnuse | +1 |
| 21:33 | drojf1 | +1 |
| 21:33 | cait | #agreed Next IRC meeting will be on February 3, 10 UTC |
| 21:33 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:33 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 21:33 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 21:33:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:33 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-01-13-20.00.html | |
| 21:33 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-01-13-20.00.txt | |
| 21:33 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]13-20.00.log.html | |
| 21:33 | cait | thx all for attending |
| 21:33 | davidnind | cait++ |
| 21:33 | Joubu | thanks cait |
| 21:33 | drojf1 | cait++ |
| 21:34 | hbraum | thx cait |
| 21:34 | jmsasse | cait++ |
| 21:34 | eythian | https://blog.kallisti.net.nz/2[…]am-cheese-museum/ <-- cait |
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| 21:35 | cait | heh, waiting until the meeting ended, eythian? |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:35 | eythian | yep |
| 21:35 | rangi | he was too busy eating cheese |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:36 | barton | good meeting, cait. |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | now I want cheese. |
| 21:36 | cait | pleas tell me you dressed up and got a photo? |
| 21:36 | eythian | I know where you can get some |
| 21:36 | cait: i didn't, sorry | |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | I mean that's a perennial thing |
| 21:37 | cait | you can go back |
| 21:37 | ! | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | you should because I think we all need to see you in a dutch cheesemonger outfit. |
| 21:37 | * barton | goes in search of cheesy commestibles. |
| 21:37 | drojf1 | eythian: you are still the default contact for debian scripts in BZ. i hope you enjoy my emails (and maybe that should be changed?) |
| 21:37 | rangi | hmm i think they probably are bouncing too |
| 21:38 | eythian | drojf1: no biggie, they go to catalyst so I can't see them |
| 21:38 | rangi | we should change that |
| 21:38 | drojf1 | ah |
| 21:38 | great :D | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | probably gmcharlt would be a better endpoint? |
| 21:38 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt_: no objections to that? | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | I know he really wants more email :P |
| 21:38 | cait | it's probably time again to revisit some of the defaults |
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| 21:41 | drojf1 | i have a patch to automatically set up a .onion domain (tor network) for the opac too |
| 21:41 | * drojf1 | goes all crypto on koha |
| 21:42 | rangi | :) |
| 21:42 | * eythian | & |
| 21:43 | drojf1 | can we have .onion as a default? ;) |
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| 22:24 | drojf1 | good night #koha |
| 22:32 | cait | looking for comments on bug 13542 .. :) |
| 22:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13542 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Subscripton is only table to store userid instead of borrowernumber |
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