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| 00:05 | pianohacker | bye all! |
| 00:05 | dcook | laters pianohacker |
| 00:05 | pianohacker | heh, hibye dcook |
| 00:05 | dcook | Who waha |
| 00:05 | wahanui | somebody said waha was refusing to learn. |
| 00:06 | dcook | Hmm bad timing pianohacker.. |
| 00:08 | @later tell pianohacker The problem will be with your /etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml file. | |
| 00:08 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:09 | dcook | @later tell pianohacker You're probably using an old version, so update it from master. |
| 00:09 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:11 | dcook | @later tell pianohacker Format xml will get you the indexes as "index" is the default element as it's the first retrieval element mentioned for XML. You're probably missing <retrieval syntax="xml"/> declared before it. You may also need <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*" /> at the bottom although I think <retrieval syntax="xml"/> as the first xml retrieval element should do the trick. |
| 00:11 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:12 | dcook | I should write that somewhere... |
| 00:13 | @later tell pianohacker Unless you're using authorities and then obviously the problem is with /etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-auth-dom.xml | |
| 00:13 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 00:23 | dcook | @later tell pianohacker You can take a look at 7.6 in http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz.pdf. I think older versions didn't have access to the special elements as I think we're probably overwriting some internal config for the xml syntax with our retrieval config... |
| 00:23 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:24 | dcook | Torn between creating a new import service... or making match checks be able to support additional comparison operators... |
| 00:24 | The latter would probably be smarter... | |
| 00:25 | So you'd only replace Bib X if the 005 of the version you're importing is newer... | |
| 00:25 | Ah, but that's problematic too.. | |
| 00:26 | As someone may have updated the local version... but you really do want to replace it with the incoming version... | |
| 00:26 | I suppose for OAI, I could maybe put the OAI-PMH datestamp in a different field... | |
| 00:27 | I dislike the idea of making a table of OAI identifiers and datestamps just to check if the incoming record is newer than the last processed OAI record.. | |
| 00:57 | Ah except the OAI-PMH datestamp isn't necessarily going to be that granular.. | |
| 00:58 | It theoretically could be YYYY-MM-DD... | |
| 00:58 | Boo OAI-PMH... | |
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| 01:27 | wizzyrea | Hm, I wonder if we should change "build a new report" in the report module from the guided report maker |
| 01:28 | to the create report from sql | |
| 01:28 | because I think people use "create report from sql" more than the report builder? | |
| 01:28 | kidclamp | I concur |
| 01:28 | wizzyrea | oh! someone with an opinion! |
| 01:29 | kidclamp | but I have never used the report builder |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | I'd kinda like to take the report builder out entirely |
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| 01:29 | kidclamp | I have always told people, ask for a report, don't use that |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | yeah |
| 01:29 | same | |
| 01:30 | kidclamp | I don't even understand hwo it works |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | well that's not necessarily a reason to nuke it |
| 01:30 | :) | |
| 01:30 | kidclamp | get rid of acquisitions too by that standard |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | but it is decently confusing for people |
| 01:30 | kidclamp | I would be curious to hear from someone who does use it, and get sgood results |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | I think it might be good to de-emphasise it though |
| 01:31 | more research needed I think | |
| 01:32 | dcook | Remove acquisitions and serials! :D |
| 01:33 | kidclamp | remove all the things! all the sysprefs! |
| 01:33 | dcook | Yeah I don't know if people using the report builder even get good results... but they might not know what is good or bad.. |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | ^ this is really a concern |
| 01:33 | dcook | Silent problems are the worst :( |
| 01:33 | * dcook | is trying to figure out some silent problems of his own atm |
| 01:34 | wizzyrea | I remember we had some reports at my old job, and the statistics were out for a year because of a guided report built report |
| 01:34 | * dcook | shudders |
| 01:34 | wizzyrea | things got a lot better once we understood wtf the report wasn't doing |
| 01:34 | or wasn't counting, or was double counting | |
| 01:35 | I feel like the report library is much safer. | |
| 01:35 | rangi | in theory |
| 01:35 | wizzyrea | especially when people contribute their reports |
| 01:35 | dcook | The report library is a monster though |
| 01:35 | I never use it anymore | |
| 01:35 | rangi | some of those reports are broken |
| 01:35 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:35 | wizzyrea | they are |
| 01:35 | rangi | and don't do what people who wrote them thought they do |
| 01:36 | it really needs someone to go through and tidy them all up | |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | true - dk how you prevent that sort of thing though |
| 01:36 | besides curation | |
| 01:37 | kidclamp | I always think it would be nice to have some stock reports kept in koha, but checking them against each db version would be tedious at best |
| 01:37 | dcook | Yeah updating data after an upgrade blows.. |
| 01:37 | * dcook | looks at the marc frameworks |
| 01:37 | rangi | there isn't a way, if they are going to be the recommended way to do reporting, it should be someones job ot curate it |
| 01:37 | dcook | Sounds reasonable to me |
| 01:37 | Finding someone perhaps less easy | |
| 01:38 | What about a few different checks? | |
| 01:38 | Like... the curator checks them once a month or something | |
| 01:38 | But the creator can also self-check | |
| 01:38 | Obviously a self-check isn't enough... but... | |
| 01:38 | kidclamp | rangi:I feel like there's someone who often says 'great are you volunteering?' to statements like that...who am i thinking of? |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | I'm envisioning a system by which people thumb up or thumb down reports so the bad ones disappear |
| 01:39 | kidclamp | :D |
| 01:39 | dcook | wizzyrea: I like that |
| 01:39 | kidclamp | that's a good idea wizzyrea |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | idk if it would work on the wiki |
| 01:39 | rangi | they should be versioned to |
| 01:39 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | well I'm quite sure it wouldn't |
| 01:39 | yes. | |
| 01:39 | rangi | theres no reason they have to stay on the wiki though |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | "tested on version xxxx" |
| 01:40 | dcook | ^ to what rangi said |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea | yeah nah, if we had a solution like that it'd not be on the wiki |
| 01:40 | dcook | Just had a flashback to high school math... |
| 01:41 | If Task 1 is moving at this speed, and Task 2 is moving at this speed, at what speed will things get updated out of order? | |
| 01:41 | Err what time will things be updated out of order* | |
| 01:41 | kidclamp | how would you version tested on master? |
| 01:42 | rangi | you dont |
| 01:42 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:42 | rangi | because no one runs master in production |
| 01:42 | no one sane that is | |
| 01:42 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:42 | kidclamp | heh, true |
| 01:44 | rangi | if we did it at reports.koha-community.org |
| 01:44 | with an api | |
| 01:44 | then you could click something in koha to import | |
| 01:44 | etc | |
| 01:45 | and it could even go, you're running 3.20, that report isn't tested for that are you sure? | |
| 01:45 | and some way to click "this works in 3.20" to report back | |
| 01:46 | we just got our first motion sickness casualty from how much our building is wobbling in the wind | |
| 01:47 | kidclamp | that sounds terrifying |
| 01:47 | wizzyrea | it was pretty intense earlier |
| 01:47 | I think it's getting better slowly | |
| 01:47 | rangi | its only averaging 57kmph at the mo |
| 01:47 | still gusting over 100 tho | |
| 01:47 | wizzyrea | definitely a "is it wind or earthquake" day |
| 01:48 | answer: wind. | |
| 01:52 | dcook | Interesting... I didn't know that we did a "diff" for imported records |
| 01:52 | Doesn't look like it's UTF8 safe though.. | |
| 01:53 | Then again.. | |
| 01:54 | Yeah, it looks like it's butchering the imported record.. maybe that's my data.. | |
| 01:54 | * dcook | officially doesn't care atm |
| 01:56 | dcook | I'm actually liking this match check idea... |
| 01:56 | Although maybe it wouldn't be used very often.. | |
| 01:57 | But in theory it might be nice to only import records if the 005 is more recent.. | |
| 02:00 | Maybe all my thoughts on time relate to edge cases anyway.. | |
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| 03:15 | dcook | Hmm SRU is disabled by default, yeah? |
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| 03:39 | Amit_Gupta | hi |
| 03:39 | wahanui | bonjour, Amit_Gupta |
| 03:39 | Amit_Gupta | all |
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| 07:48 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:54 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:57 | lds | hello |
| 07:57 | wahanui | hey, lds |
| 07:58 | magnuse | ouch http://www.stuff.co.nz/aucklan[…]-wall-in-auckland |
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| 08:00 | sophie_m | bonjour |
| 08:00 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:00 | wahanui | what's up, alex_a |
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| 08:25 | drojf | morning |
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| 08:36 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:36 | wahanui | hey, gaetan_B |
| 08:37 | Joubu | hi |
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| 09:18 | LibraryClaire | happy Friday #koha |
| 09:18 | cait | happy friday LibraryClaire :) |
| 09:20 | * LibraryClaire | waves |
| 09:22 | LibraryClaire | @wunder LHR |
| 09:22 | huginn` | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London / Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom is 6.0°C (9:00 AM GMT on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:23 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 09:23 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -13.0°C (9:50 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:23 | magnuse | @wunder kautokeino |
| 09:23 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -12.0°C (10:00 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:23 | LibraryClaire | you win ;) |
| 09:23 | magnuse | @wunder karasjok |
| 09:23 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Banak, Norway is -16.0°C (9:50 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:23 | magnuse | lucky me! |
| 09:23 | LibraryClaire | hehe |
| 09:23 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 09:23 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:24 | drojf | oh, it's + ! |
| 09:24 | magnuse | yay |
| 09:25 | LibraryClaire | woop |
| 09:25 | We must have hit 0 overnight, there was ice on the line so my trains were all delayed -.- | |
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| 09:26 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:26 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 5.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:26 | cait | quite warm here for winter |
| 09:27 | LibraryClaire | it's pretty ridiculous |
| 09:29 | drojf | LibraryClaire: over here, as soon as you can see a snow flake in the sky, public transportation gets problems. during the last years it has become a tradition to label all regular weather "unexpected", "worst winter in years" and whatnot. like, OMG, snow in january, who would have expected that? |
| 09:31 | LibraryClaire | drojf: hah, oh dear. That does seem to happen here a lot. We had problems in autumn because there were 'leaves on the line'. Now it's ice... the joys of commuting |
| 09:34 | cait | leaves... htat#s new :) |
| 09:35 | ashimema | happy friday LibraryClaire |
| 09:35 | LibraryClaire | hey ashimema :) |
| 09:36 | cait: I was surprised to say the least, hehe. | |
| 09:37 | drojf | LibraryClaire: "deutsche bahn" used to advertise that even in deepest winter, trains just work. unfortunately that was a long time ago, before they made a lot of cuts in maintenance to maximize profits. and they do part of the local transport in berlin too, which has not been running as scheduled for… at least 3 years now. every time there is some kind of weather (omg it's cold, oh it's too warm), they blame it on that :/ |
| 09:38 | LibraryClaire | drojf: I was going to say, they always worked well when I lived in Munich and used them to get to school. But no idea what they would be like now... |
| 09:43 | drojf | LibraryClaire: a few days ago there was a train stuck in northern germany due to ice, it took about 20 hours for 40 kilometers. and that only got attention because some politician was on board and tweeted about it. lol |
| 09:45 | LibraryClaire | drojf: ouch! :/ well that sucks! |
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| 10:02 | ashimema | ouch |
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| 11:23 | janPasi__ | help! :D |
| 11:23 | we have a problem with kohas sip-server | |
| 11:23 | when a client tries to self-checkout his/her reservations, the sip server doesn't respond | |
| 11:24 | causing a timeout and the self-checkout machine to hang | |
| 11:45 | Joubu | janPasi__: see bug 15006 maybe |
| 11:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15006 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Need to distinguish client timeout from login timeout |
| 11:51 | cait | janPasi__: which koha version? |
| 11:51 | wahanui | rumour has it which koha version is that |
| 11:59 | janPasi__ | cait: this is 3.16 |
| 12:00 | cait | hmm we didn't use that version... so hard to tell |
| 12:00 | i'd say it works in later versions - we are on 3.18 - but only because i haven't had a report about it so far | |
| 12:00 | janPasi__ | according to logs koha seems to hang at "performing checkout" and it never responds to the sip-message |
| 12:08 | I need to attend a meeting now, but I'll be back after a little while | |
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| 12:15 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:15 | Joubu | tcohen: heh, good timing :) |
| 12:15 | tcohen: hi | |
| 12:15 | wahanui | bonjour, Joubu |
| 12:15 | tcohen | ? |
| 12:15 | Joubu | tcohen: using kohadevbox:ansible, plack + nytprof (not sure it's nytprof related), I get Could not compile /home/vagrant/kohaclone/mainpage.pl: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm: ./Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.20/base.pm line 97. |
| 12:15 | just after the login | |
| 12:16 | did you already see that? | |
| 12:16 | tcohen | i hadn't seen that |
| 12:22 | Joubu | ok it seems that I have started plack with root |
| 12:22 | tcohen | ah, instead of koha-plack |
| 12:24 | Joubu | I have used koha-plack but logged as root |
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| 13:00 | khall | cait: it looks like your input is needed on bug 14244 |
| 13:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14244 normal, P5 - low, ---, misilot, Signed Off , viewing a bib item's circ history requires circulation permissions |
| 13:00 | cait | khall: thx, i know - it's on the todo list |
| 13:00 | khall | cool |
| 13:01 | cait | please feel free to add your opinion too |
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| 13:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:19 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard |
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| 13:50 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 13:58 | * cait | waves at andreashm |
| 13:58 | cait | happy new year :) |
| 13:58 | andreashm | happy new year cait |
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| 14:41 | Joubu | I have generated some benchmark using nytprof that I would like to share. Does someone could provide me an access to a server where I could upload them (with webserver if possible) |
| 14:50 | ashimema | they come out as plain html do they not? Perhaps a github pages space? |
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| 15:02 | Joubu | ashimema: I will try that, thx |
| 15:03 | ashimema | just seemed like it might be the quickest route to goal ;) |
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| 16:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:13 | bag | morning |
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| 16:26 | cait | test_plans++ |
| 16:26 | working on a list of new features in german... so helpful | |
| 16:27 | bag | :) |
| 16:31 | * ashimema | looks forward to seeing Joubu ntyprof results |
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| 16:38 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 16:50 | Joubu | ashimema: not so exiting I am afraid |
| 16:50 | ashimema: https://joubu.github.io/koha/n[…]f/dbic/index.html | |
| 16:51 | not sure I have finished neither it's understandable, but I have to go | |
| 16:51 | the number of statements / execution time, which appears at the top of the page are very weird sometimes | |
| 16:51 | ashimema | I'll have a read.. |
| 16:51 | looks like a good start though for the very quick look | |
| 16:51 | Joubu | for -160ms (of 5.97ms), executing 286 statements and 82537 subroutine |
| 16:51 | -160ms ??? | |
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| 16:53 | Joubu | Have a good w-e #koha |
| 16:56 | pianohacker | hi ashimema |
| 16:57 | ashimema | hi pianohacker |
| 16:59 | Nice work on those Profiles Joubu | |
| 16:59 | yes more can be done to really understand them.. but you've made a great start.. | |
| 16:59 | really proes that dbic should deffo not be used with cgi like use cases.. i.e. with the load_namespaces call being done often.. | |
| 17:00 | once at startup = OK.. with every request = Hell no! | |
| 17:00 | http://joubu.github.io/koha/ny[…]profhtml.20401_2/ #This one makes me wonder what Koha::Objects::search is doing on top of the dbic::search? | |
| 17:02 | oh no it doesn't.. I'm reading the flamegraph wrong ;) | |
| 17:06 | pianohacker | dcook++ |
| 17:06 | @later tell dcook Thanks much, that worked | |
| 17:06 | huginn` | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:07 | pianohacker | http://paste.koha-community.org/245 , for reference |
| 17:27 | bag | @later tell paul_p Happy Birthday Paul!!! |
| 17:27 | huginn` | bag: The operation succeeded. |
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