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| 00:12 | dcook | Hmm it accepts the TCP connection on the server, but not from another server or from Windows.. |
| 00:12 | All which should have access to that IP address and port.. | |
| 00:13 | I suppose it could be a router level thing... | |
| 00:23 | pianohacker | ... |
| 00:24 | totally unrelated to that. Does anyone know of a bug for itemcallnumber not working in the acquisitions items screen, before I file a dup? | |
| 00:25 | dcook | How do you mean not working? |
| 00:25 | Like not saving? | |
| 00:25 | pianohacker | sorry, I should clarify that I mean the _syspref_ itemcallnumber |
| 00:25 | that gives a bib-level subfield that should be copied into the itemcallnumber | |
| 00:26 | dcook | Interesting... 9998 is blocked but I was able to get through on a lower port... |
| 00:26 | pianohacker: Alas, no idea. cait might know. | |
| 00:26 | or wizzyrea | |
| 00:26 | wahanui | it has been said that wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules. |
| 00:32 | cait | hm? |
| 00:33 | i don#t remember a bug | |
| 00:33 | pianohacker | kk :) |
| 00:35 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15347 | |
| 00:35 | huginn` | 04Bug 15347: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , itemcallnumber syspref does not work when adding items through acquisitions |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | omg. |
| 00:38 | oh. my. god. | |
| 00:38 | pianohacker | que pasó |
| 00:39 | cait | pianohacker: i think she is not tlaking about your bug |
| 00:39 | :) | |
| 00:39 | pianohacker | yeah, I hoped it wasn't THAT shocking :) |
| 00:40 | dcook | Interesting... __ZEBRA_SRU_HOST__ is a bit of a misnomer.. |
| 00:40 | Should be more like __ZEBRA_TCP_HOST__... | |
| 00:41 | As you could use SRU or Z39.50 over TCP... | |
| 00:44 | wizzyrea | no, I am talking about captain trollface |
| 00:45 | francesca | captain trollface? |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | koha list |
| 00:45 | wahanui | You can subscribe to the Koha mailing list at https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha it is hosted by Katipo Communications. |
| 00:46 | dcook | Maybe I'll compensate for some trolling |
| 00:46 | I think this MarcEdit email I'm writing to koha list might actually be helpful.. | |
| 00:46 | Possibly overly technical... | |
| 00:46 | wizzyrea | yeah, he'll troll it |
| 00:47 | dcook | haha |
| 00:47 | Probably | |
| 00:47 | Actually, almost definintely | |
| 00:47 | Port 9998 wasn't working for me, so I used port 3000 | |
| 00:47 | But I'm sure for some reason that's going to be dreadfully awful | |
| 00:47 | Even though there's nothing official registered against 3000 | |
| 00:47 | And it wasn't in use anyway.. | |
| 00:48 | Admittedly, I wish I knew more about the convention of choosing TCP ports for stuff.. | |
| 00:48 | * francesca | should probably look at signing up for the mailing list |
| 00:48 | francesca | if you can do that |
| 00:49 | dcook | Sometimes think about choosing from 49152–65535 but then what happens if your server goes down, something else decides to use one of those ports dynamically and then you try to restart and you can't use that port? |
| 00:49 | francesca: The koha-devel one is usually handy | |
| 00:49 | "koha list" is a place where you can help people out and feel good about yourself :) | |
| 00:49 | wizzyrea | no reason not to sign up for them |
| 00:49 | dcook | Errr... at least that's how I feel about it.. |
| 00:49 | The trolling is actually fairly rare | |
| 00:50 | wizzyrea | yeah we only have one |
| 00:50 | there's always one | |
| 00:50 | we got rid of the last one, quite pointedly. | |
| 00:51 | and eythian was quite good at smacking paul down, have you noticed that since he sent his farewell paul's messages have increased in frequency? | |
| 00:51 | dcook | :( |
| 00:51 | Yeah, eythian was the best at that | |
| 00:52 | To be honest, I've been too distracted to view the listserv much | |
| 00:52 | I'm surprised I'm actually crafting this reply at the moment, but I do want to learn more about MarcEdit integration, as I think it could be useful for librarians.. | |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | I sent him a private email saying "you are not helping" |
| 00:52 | in reasonably nice words | |
| 00:52 | * dcook | thumbs up |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | this email is a response to that. |
| 00:53 | he's butthurt that a girl told him that he's not useful. | |
| 00:54 | see also: toxic masculinity. | |
| 00:55 | dcook | Yeah, I was confused as to what he was talking about... |
| 00:56 | But I clearly missed earlier messagse | |
| 00:56 | messages* | |
| 00:56 | Although, as you say, I don't think it would make sense then either | |
| 00:57 | Crap... I was able to get the Z39.50 connection over TCP, but now MarcEdit won't download the records.. | |
| 00:58 | This is so frustrating.. | |
| 00:59 | Oh, I think I might know.. | |
| 00:59 | Maybe it can't handle MARCXML.. | |
| 00:59 | That was my earlier problem.. | |
| 00:59 | Yep, that was it | |
| 00:59 | Why even have MARCXML as an option if it's just going to break.. | |
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| 01:02 | dcook | Cool beans ^_^ |
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| 01:19 | dcook | Oh I'm silly, I should have tried port 210... |
| 01:19 | As that's the official port for Z39.50... | |
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| 01:23 | wizzyrea | huh |
| 01:23 | I wonder if bug 14673 has to do with our SIP double statuses | |
| 01:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14673 major, P3, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Renewals cause Sipserver to crash |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | you all have possibly already talked about this |
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| 02:05 | wizzyrea | I would love, love. |
| 02:06 | to go into a library and watch the users try to use acquisitions | |
| 02:06 | I feel like it has to be really flummoxing. | |
| 02:06 | (until you get used to it) | |
| 02:07 | dcook | Oh I can only imagine.. |
| 02:07 | I still get flummoxed by it | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | we could make it so much better >.< |
| 02:10 | oh, has anybody heard anything from the users regarding the label creator? I guess that's pretty new. | |
| 02:10 | * wizzyrea | wants to know what people think |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | (good or bad) |
| 02:10 | it'll be like twitter | |
| 02:10 | they'll hate it and then they'll get used to it | |
| 02:11 | and then they'll go back to the old version | |
| 02:11 | and be like "dafuq this is so much better now" | |
| 02:11 | (I hope) | |
| 02:15 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:15 | I'm behind the times, so I don't know | |
| 02:16 | Label creators seem like a tough one to get right | |
| 02:16 | Did I ever tell you the story of trying to print labels on LibreOffice 3? | |
| 02:16 | Wasn't working no matter what I tried... eventually realized it was a bug, updated to LibreOffice 4, and it worked like a dream | |
| 02:16 | At least by comparison | |
| 02:16 | wizzyrea | hah no |
| 02:38 | Hrm. | |
| 02:39 | @later tell oleonard hi, I miss you, and I have a question - should we come up with an interface pattern for the staff side search area that always shows check out, check in, search the catalogue, and always defaults to the active module's search (but keeps them in order)? I feel like this is a necessary thing, what do you think? | |
| 02:39 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:50 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:34 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 07:34 | cait | kia ora |
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| 07:59 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:00 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:00 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
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| 08:01 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:29 | magnuse | gah, still utterly dark outside |
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| 08:52 | cait | morning #koha |
| 09:01 | magnuse | g'day cait |
| 09:02 | cait | hi magnuse |
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| 09:28 | Joubu | hi |
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| 09:49 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen plack.psgi also disables the syspref cache! |
| 09:49 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:06 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 10:06 | it's possible to turn off the hold of the next available item? | |
| 10:07 | cait | do you wnt to only allow item level holds? |
| 10:07 | vfernandes | yes |
| 10:07 | cait | I think you can in 3.20... maybe earlier |
| 10:07 | it was moved from a system preference into the circulation matrix | |
| 10:08 | which version are you using? | |
| 10:08 | vfernandes | 3.16... |
| 10:08 | wahanui | 3.16 is pretty old by now |
| 10:11 | vfernandes | this installation will be upgraded soon |
| 10:15 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard I am waiting an answer on bug 15314 to continue QAing the other bootstrap modal patches. |
| 10:15 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:16 | cait | vfernandes: i thik it's not possible in 3.16 - i am sorry |
| 10:16 | i think the system preference is opacitemholds - the old one. But i think it your version it hax probably only 2 options and not the third to enforce item level holds | |
| 10:17 | i just checked - it's possible in 3.18 using the system preference and then in 3.20 with the circulation conditions | |
| 10:19 | vfernandes | hummm ok cait... thank you |
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| 12:48 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:49 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 12:49 | quiet day today | |
| 12:50 | magnuse | ssshhhh... |
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| 12:59 | ashimema | quiet in the library |
| 13:02 | * oleonard | bangs some pots and pans |
| 13:02 | cait | rebel :) |
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| 13:03 | cait | hm has closing an invoice any effect besides it being closed? |
| 13:03 | magnuse | ooh yeah, let's stick the email addresses in the table called BorrowerPhoneNumbers, that makes sense |
| 13:04 | cait | heh |
| 13:04 | it probably predates emails? | |
| 13:04 | ... which wouldn't make sense... | |
| 13:04 | oleonard | magnuse: Better or worse that putting "No email address" in the email address field? |
| 13:07 | jcamins | oleonard: I prefer entering "No email address" in the BorrowerPhoneNumbers table in the email field and putting an email address in the phone number field in the BorrowerDemographics table. |
| 13:09 | * oleonard | jumps out of his chair when a random jcamins appears out of nowhere |
| 13:10 | cait | heh |
| 13:11 | Joubu | Youhou, they forecast sun for tomorrow!! |
| 13:11 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 13:11 | Joubu | (from 2 to 3pm...) |
| 13:11 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (2:00 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Falling). |
| 13:11 | cait | oh - i was starting to get a little jealous ) |
| 13:13 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 13:13 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:13 | magnuse | ooh, the email address is actually stored in the column called... PhoneNumber! i love it! |
| 13:16 | this is right up there with my fave ils date format, which was 01-jan-15 | |
| 13:25 | oleonard | magnuse: That date format one is pretty bad! |
| 13:29 | cait | yeah... one can not help to wonder what they were thinking programming tha |
| 13:29 | t | |
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| 13:34 | jcamins | Hmph. I think I could come up with a worse date format. |
| 13:35 | 01-15-Jan, maybe? | |
| 13:35 | 01-15-01? | |
| 13:35 | wahanui | -15 |
| 13:35 | jcamins | -15? Yeah, that would be worse. |
| 13:35 | Thanks, wahanui. | |
| 13:35 | wahanui | de nada jcamins |
| 13:35 | magnuse | lulz |
| 13:36 | oh here is a bad one too: 12-31-2015 | |
| 13:36 | ;-) | |
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| 13:41 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 13:41 | @wunder Allschwil | |
| 13:41 | huginn` | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 6.0°C (2:30 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:45 | mveron | We have a transalatability issue in the error pages, e.g. 404 in German: |
| 13:45 | Um diesen Fehler zu melden, können Sie E-Mail an den Koha-Administrator. | |
| 13:46 | magnuse | bug 15288 |
| 13:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Error pages: Code duplication removal and better translatability |
| 13:47 | mveron | I fixed it and streamlined code, we need now a feedback on Bug 15288 because there are QA concerns about people who might have their error pages customized. |
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| 13:55 | magnuse | is there a bigger danger that people customized the error pages than any other pages? |
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| 14:08 | mveron | Joubu ^ |
| 14:08 | ...and hi everybody :-) | |
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| 15:34 | Shane-S | where would I find information about making an "Add-On". cait suggested I might want to look into making on for my idea of damage reports/tracking |
| 15:36 | cait | plugins? |
| 15:36 | wahanui | plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they? |
| 15:36 | cait | hm that was not what i was looking for :) one sec |
| 15:36 | some examples can be found here: http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ | |
| 15:37 | also here. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_plugins | |
| 15:39 | Shane-S | cait: thank you, I just need to see what is involved, and how separate/integrated they need to be from/with Koha |
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| 15:49 | Shane-S | so watching Kyle's video, a plug in is limited to the "plugins" page, or can it go further and add a feature to the check-in/out screens (even if it is a floating div or something) |
| 15:50 | * Shane-S | just had a daydream of people muttering RTFM |
| 15:51 | wnickc | F=friendly |
| 15:51 | nengard | Shane-S let's ask khall :) |
| 15:53 | Shane-S | khall...*blinks* http://translate.koha-communit[…]top/#pluginsystem ....its a paragraph...i needs more info then that ;) |
| 15:53 | wait s/then/than.....I failed grammar | |
| 15:53 | khall | Shane-S: no, the plugin system can't do that right now |
| 15:54 | right now it can add a tool, a report, or convert files to marc | |
| 15:54 | cait | but maybe if the hook was general enough, we could do something like that? |
| 15:54 | i mean adding as an option | |
| 15:54 | Shane-S | *defeated* then I can't use it to quickly track and enter damage reports, that would add a log record with item id/patronid/user id/ note and be reportable |
| 15:55 | cait | Shane-S: hm let's say it was a report |
| 15:55 | you could use jquery to add a link to the returned items table | |
| 15:55 | to your plugin page | |
| 15:55 | if you send the itemnumber with the link, it could offer a ready to enter screen maybe? | |
| 15:56 | just thinking loud, hope it makes some kind of sense | |
| 15:57 | Shane-S | the idea I had, was a broken page icon labeled "Damage Report", on the checkin/out screen...(once you scanned an item) and you could then click it would expand to a form entry (just a text box and maybe a patrod ID box) so you could enter a note and press save |
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| 15:57 | Shane-S | behind the scene it would have to flat file (or ideally DB) store the item id , patron id, user if, note, and date |
| 15:59 | I track all my IT assets in Koha...and right now I have to arrange paper to make a 'damage trail', doesn't sound too complex from my end...but I only know Php/MySQL...some some language barriers for me...never been much with jquery web2.0 stuff | |
| 15:59 | khall | Shane-S: yes, you can make a plugin interact with other parts of Koha, but you need to add javascript to the sysprefs to do so |
| 15:59 | that's how the EDS plugin works for example | |
| 16:00 | Shane-S | khall: would that syspref change get overwritten with an update? |
| 16:00 | khall | not unless you make it |
| 16:00 | you can check out my coverflow plugin, it adds javascript to the opacuserjs system preference | |
| 16:01 | Shane-S | khall: hmm, okay, maybe this is doable. Okay I will do that. |
| 16:02 | khall: on the database side...if I need a custom table, is that suggested/doable, or would it be best to store data in a flat file? | |
| 16:06 | khall: P.S. http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]stem-coming-soon/ what is the future like in 3013!!!, can you tell me the winning lottery number for this week? ;) | |
| 16:06 | khall | heh ; ) |
| 16:07 | looks like nengard made a typo ; ) | |
| 16:07 | nengard | never ever |
| 16:07 | hehe | |
| 16:08 | fixed | |
| 16:11 | Shane-S | darn it...i wanted lottery #s so I could just call up and pay you guys for the plugin...now I gotta learn ubunut/git/vmware[virtualbox]/perl/javascript (beyond onclick and get elementbyid |
| 16:12 | ashimema | I love the thinking there Shane-S |
| 16:14 | Shane-S | oh well time to see how much free ram my macbook pro has...if I can load it with virtualbox/ubunut and maybe finally grasp git to get a development version to break ;) |
| 16:14 | kidclamp | try kohadevbox Shane-S - simplifies a lot of the setup |
| 16:14 | ansible branch works very nicely | |
| 16:15 | https://github.com/digibib/koh[…]vbox/tree/ansible | |
| 16:15 | Shane-S | oh okay, will check it out |
| 16:15 | ty | |
| 16:20 | hmm reading that.."what you get" seems misleading...unless I am not understanding vagrant right...you have to do the initial OS/VM install first and then install vagrant on that right? | |
| 16:23 | maybe I am not understanding vagrant... | |
| 16:24 | guess I have to try and fail to get that "ah-ha" moment | |
| 16:24 | * Shane-S | is off to see wizard the wonderful wizard of...oh snap I think I broke it |
| 16:26 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:26 | kidclamp | Shane-S you need only install vagrant and virtualbox and configure the setup files. Vagrant will take care of getting your guest OS etc |
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| 16:45 | Shane-S | kidclamp: so...installed virtbox, and vagrant, site says I need ansible and git and to clone...then I do the vagrant stuff after the vars/ step...I am lost sorta |
| 16:45 | would I have the VM running and install git there? | |
| 16:47 | kidclamp | oh, you need ansible on Mac too |
| 16:47 | and yes, git to clone kohadevbox :-) | |
| 16:47 | I have only done this on Ubuntu | |
| 16:49 | but yeah, with all of that set up you should then just: vagrant up jessie | |
| 16:49 | or wheezy etc | |
| 16:49 | from the kohadevbox dir | |
| 16:49 | and poof | |
| 16:49 | lots of magic and koha is runnning at the end | |
| 16:49 | Shane-S | does it move the git clone files into the vm file? |
| 16:50 | kidclamp | you can eithe rlet it do a clone into the vm automagically |
| 16:50 | Shane-S | I just ask cause I only have a 256Gb SSD...limited space |
| 16:50 | kidclamp | or clone koha onto your drive and then to the export SYNC_RPOE |
| 16:51 | I don't know if anisble does a shallow or full clone (it's about 1 gig or so if so) | |
| 16:51 | Shane-S | I just want it to be clean in the vm, so if I delete it from VB it is all gone, not a git clone file sitting somewhere |
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| 16:53 | kidclamp | the only thing that would remain would be your kohadevbox clone, the koha cloen would be inside the vm |
| 16:55 | Shane-S | doing ansible now.... |
| 16:58 | * mveron | will check later if there is a comment on Bug 15288 regarding QA concerns about people who might have their error pages customized. |
| 16:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Error pages: Code duplication removal and better translatability |
| 16:58 | * mveron | Guests... |
| 16:58 | wahanui | guests are here! |
| 16:59 | mveron | bye #koha |
| 17:00 | Shane-S | kidclamp: where is the vars/user.yml file? |
| 17:02 | kidclamp | {wherever you cloned}/kohadevbox/vars/user.yml |
| 17:04 | Shane-S | uh...i did git clone http:...kohadev.git, I have a kohadev folder, not a kohadevbox, and it has no /vars/ folder |
| 17:04 | nm | |
| 17:04 | I typed it worng | |
| 17:09 | kidclamp: still no directories or .yml file in kohadevbox | |
| 17:09 | config.cfg-sample maybe? | |
| 17:10 | I feel like i could have had a package version installed by now... | |
| 17:13 | kidclamp | did you git checkout ansible? |
| 17:13 | to get the ansible branch | |
| 17:13 | oleonard | nengard around? |
| 17:13 | kidclamp | Shane-S I admit it takes getting used to, but once you are set you can destroy/create new boxes with one command |
| 17:14 | nengard | hi |
| 17:14 | wahanui | hi, nengard |
| 17:15 | oleonard | nengard: Under what circumstances do you see that url column in the holdings details? |
| 17:15 | nengard | if you add it to the item subfield u |
| 17:16 | Shane-S | kidclamp: I am following https://github.com/digibib/koh[…]vbox/tree/ansible the ansible site directions (OS X) don't have me git anything |
| 17:16 | I am down to the first "Usage" part | |
| 17:17 | but there is where I am lost, I did all the getting started...unless I missed something on a 3rd party site | |
| 17:17 | kidclamp | git clone https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox.git |
| 17:17 | $ cd kohadevbox | |
| 17:17 | after those lines you need to do: | |
| 17:18 | git checkout origin/nasible | |
| 17:18 | git checkout -b ansible origin/ansible | |
| 17:18 | git pull | |
| 17:18 | wahanui | rumour has it git pull is really simple |
| 17:18 | kidclamp | been a while since I did the setup |
| 17:18 | Shane-S | kidclamp: oh okay...thats missing from getting started... |
| 17:18 | ty | |
| 17:18 | kidclamp | yeah |
| 17:20 | Shane-S | okay NOW I have vars |
| 17:22 | kidclamp | huzzah |
| 17:23 | oleonard | nengard: Seems like you'd need to either set a global preferences like URLLinkText or add a subfield where you could put custom text |
| 17:23 | Shane-S | maybe my last ?, do I need to be in a specific directory to vagrant up? |
| 17:25 | oleonard | nengard: ....which is just what you said in the bug. Never mind :) |
| 17:25 | Shane-S | guessing kohadevbox since it has Vagrantfile |
| 17:25 | oleonard | ...great minds and all that |
| 17:29 | kidclamp | Shane-S yup |
| 17:30 | nengard | hehe oleonard |
| 17:30 | * oleonard | finds that URLLinkText doesn't work with XSLT |
| 17:32 | nengard | why not? I see it working ... i thought ... |
| 17:33 | Shane-S | kidclamp: well nope..one more...got an error on the .yml file, on the bz_user: line with a caret under the colon...I suspect the line above, my git_full_name: is the issue...do I need to put that in quotes? |
| 17:34 | so I did git_full_name: Shane S should it be "Shane S' or 'Shane S'? | |
| 17:35 | kidclamp | yup, quotes |
| 17:35 | I have double, but single might work SHane-S | |
| 17:35 | :q | |
| 17:35 | Shane-S | should have known better...;) |
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| 17:37 | Shane-S | kidclamp: :( no localhost:8080 let me check 127 |
| 17:37 | boo...something must have went wrong..should I delete the VM? | |
| 17:39 | oh said box is already running...so it must have started with that script error before | |
| 17:39 | or would I just do vagrant down? | |
| 17:39 | sorry to bug you so much | |
| 17:41 | kidclamp | no worries, doing my best to help |
| 17:41 | Shane-S | I just did destroy |
| 17:41 | trying up again | |
| 17:41 | kidclamp | what I would have said |
| 17:42 | Shane-S | bah...darn these variables...i guess they are all strings |
| 17:43 | what I get for not coding in 5+ years | |
| 17:43 | but I do batch scripts...think I would have known better | |
| 17:45 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 17:46 | Shane-S | taking longer this time...good sign I hope |
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| 17:49 | kidclamp | keeping my fingers crossed |
| 17:51 | eythian | Hi |
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| 18:06 | Shane-S | kidclamp: wow...I shoulda went to lunch..think I am going now |
| 18:06 | cloning Koha repo now | |
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| 18:26 | eythian | Good morning cait |
| 18:26 | cait | good evening eythian |
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| 18:48 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 18:55 | kidclamp | hey koha, is there anywhere to configure QOTD as random? I see where GetDailyQuote accepts it, but not anywhere you can push it through |
| 18:56 | * oleonard | thought it was random, but doesn't actually use it. |
| 19:06 | kidclamp | oleonard: apparently it is random for the day, but then static once one is chosen |
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| 19:27 | * magnuse | waves |
| 19:27 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 19:36 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 19:36 | * magnuse | upgrades customers to 3.20.6, but is itching to get to 3.22.1 and plack... |
| 19:37 | drojf | do it! |
| 19:37 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:37 | drojf | i already found a bug. live during translation :D |
| 19:37 | err | |
| 19:37 | during presentation | |
| 19:37 | lol talked for hours, confused now | |
| 19:37 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:37 | what was the bug? | |
| 19:37 | drojf | oleonard: 3 hours was really short |
| 19:38 | magnuse | yeah, time flies |
| 19:38 | drojf | i went into cataloguing (standard editor, but advanced enabled in options), tried to change the framework, ended up in advanced editor |
| 19:39 | had to disable the advanced editor in sysprefs to do that | |
| 19:39 | magnuse | ooh |
| 19:39 | drojf | have not tried on another instance |
| 19:39 | but if that is everywhere, that is not too good | |
| 19:41 | magnuse | not potimal, certainly |
| 19:41 | huh? | |
| 19:41 | s/potimal/optimal/ | |
| 19:41 | good thing i usually use this laptop with an external keyboard... | |
| 19:42 | drojf | heh |
| 19:48 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 19:52 | magnuse | there, 27 customers upgraded in 16 minutes |
| 19:53 | drojf | woohoo |
| 20:02 | eythian | Hi kathryn |
| 20:02 | kathryn | hi eythian :) |
| 20:02 | how's things? | |
| 20:02 | eythian | I have new digs: http://www.pararius.com/apartm[…]rik-hendrikstraat |
| 20:03 | Well, in two weeks, anyway | |
| 20:03 | * cait | waves |
| 20:04 | kathryn | nice, eythian :) |
| 20:04 | hi cait :) | |
| 20:04 | cait | hi kathryn :) |
| 20:08 | cait1 joined #koha | |
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| 20:12 | magnuse | eythian: congrats! |
| 20:15 | cait1 | eythian: rent... wow |
| 20:17 | looks reall ynice :) | |
| 20:20 | drojf | and i thought berlin was expensive :O |
| 20:21 | cait1 | hehe i had a very similar thought about here :) |
| 20:23 | eythian | That's a quite good price for the place here |
| 20:24 | I saw places at half the size that were only 100 less | |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | yay a home! |
| 20:27 | well a place to put your stuff anyway :) | |
| 20:29 | eythian | Yeah ☺ it'll probably be temporary until I get stuff together to furnish my own place. But I can take time with that. |
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| 20:31 | wizzyrea | how far from work? |
| 20:32 | grump: websites that use link blue for things that aren't links. | |
| 20:32 | (not Koha) | |
| 20:33 | cait1 | heh |
| 20:43 | eythian | wizzyrea: about 30 mins walk or about 10 bike |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | sweeeet |
| 20:47 | cait1 | ... and you absolutely need a bike |
| 20:48 | eythian | Yeah will get one when I actually move, most likely. |
| 20:49 | Taking my my good one from NZ, but it's really not a commuter bike here. Too fast, to likely to be stolen. | |
| 20:49 | Maybe I'll bike it to Germany some day or something. | |
| 20:49 | cait1 | heh :) |
| 20:49 | ah yeah | |
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| 21:00 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt++ |
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| 21:17 | eythian | wizzyrea: so when are you coming to visit? |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | as soon as we possibly can :) |
| 21:17 | which could be a little while, but it is a thing I suspect we will prioritis | |
| 21:17 | e* | |
| 21:24 | Besides, we have to wait for you to find all of the best places to go :D | |
| 21:25 | eythian | This place is fairly dense, that might take a few weeks ;-) |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | that was _extraordinarily_ diplomatic on galen's part, yeah |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | eythian: we are missing your spectacular smackdown skills. |
| 21:27 | * wizzyrea | apologises for the annoying alliteration |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: indeed, you should be suitably sorrowful for that... |
| 21:27 | ;) | |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
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| 21:28 | eythian | Heh |
| 21:29 | I should gander at the archives | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | no, I don't think you want to. |
| 21:29 | lol | |
| 21:30 | suffice to say, our favourite bad-advice troll is loving that you're not smacking him down all the time. | |
| 21:31 | eythian | Maybe I should invent some pseudonyms |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | lol! |
| 21:33 | eythian | I just see oleonard posting. Maybe the archives are missing it |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | oh, devel |
| 21:34 | eythian | Ah |
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| 21:43 | wizzyrea | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 21:46 | possibly *the most* appropriate shruggy use ever. | |
| 21:49 | eythian | Heh |
| 21:49 | Yes | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | also just that whole thing, it's a fundamental lack of understanding about how we do things. |
| 21:52 | due to lack of actual participation | |
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| 22:13 | dcook | drojf: I pay more than that for my place in Sydney :p |
| 22:14 | Not sure about the floor space though... | |
| 22:14 | Ah, I missed a departure.. | |
| 22:15 | Hmm my email isn't working. Maybe it doesn't want me to read the listserv.. | |
| 22:16 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 22:17 | Not sure what Zeno's handle is but ++ to Zeno too | |
| 22:19 | kidclamp | ztajoli++ |
| 22:19 | I think | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | irc regulars |
| 22:19 | wahanui | irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 22:20 | kidclamp | but he is not there :-( |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | yeah I was checking :) |
| 22:21 | * wizzyrea | is very lazy and knows wahanui knows what she is thinking of |
| 22:22 | kidclamp | he's a good bot |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | botsnack |
| 22:25 | hm. | |
| 22:25 | botsnack cookie | |
| 22:25 | nope. | |
| 22:25 | wahanui botsnack cookie | |
| 22:25 | wahanui | thanks wizzyrea :) |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | yay |
| 22:25 | wahanui botsnack biscuit | |
| 22:25 | wahanui | :) |
| 22:25 | dcook | I was lazy not writing the original email for the Text::Unaccent stuff too :p |
| 22:26 | Well, maybe not lazy so much as torn in too many other directions anyway | |
| 22:26 | Francesca | wahanui botsnack pizza |
| 22:26 | wahanui | :) |
| 22:26 | * dcook | just can't say no to a good UTF8 problem |
| 22:26 | kidclamp | can we see everything he's eatrn? wahanui barf? |
| 22:26 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:27 | Of course it would be partially digested.. | |
| 22:27 | wizzyrea | wahanui probably has a log |
| 22:27 | wahanui | wizzyrea: huh? |
| 22:27 | dcook | wahanui piza? |
| 22:27 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, dcook |
| 22:27 | * wizzyrea | pats wahanui |
| 22:27 | Francesca | wahanui christmas |
| 22:27 | wahanui | christmas is when you go to the beach and have a barbeque. |
| 22:27 | Francesca | wahanui botsnack christmas tree |
| 22:27 | wahanui | :) |
| 22:28 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:28 | Francesca | yummy christmas tree |
| 22:28 | dcook | Haven't put up our christmas tree yet O_O |
| 22:28 | Francesca | we have |
| 22:28 | but our cats are attacking it | |
| 22:29 | dcook | Cats... |
| 22:29 | Francesca | so we had to take the big spike off the top before it was destoryed |
| 22:29 | wahanui cats | |
| 22:29 | wahanui | The only good cat is a stir-fried cat. |
| 22:29 | dcook | I suddenly had the urge to take a clip of the "Snakes... it had to be snakes" bit from Indiana Jones and dub over it saying "Cats... it had to be cats" |
| 22:29 | Maybe even 'shop in a bunch of lolcats into the pit of snakes.. | |
| 22:29 | * dcook | doesn't have enough time in the day |
| 22:30 | Francesca | that'd be funny |
| 22:30 | if you get round to it, post it in here | |
| 22:30 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:30 | I would if I did | |
| 22:31 | Francesca | anyways I have to go do stuff now |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | Francesca: maybe surround the bottom with tinfoil so they won't want to walk close enough to climb the tree? |
| 22:31 | dcook | ^ |
| 22:31 | Francesca | hmmm tempting |
| 22:31 | I shall pass that on | |
| 22:31 | dcook | Although they could jump into the tree still... |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | I've heard that cats don't like to walk on it bc it is crinkly |
| 22:31 | dcook | wizzyrea: It only seems partially true though |
| 22:31 | Francesca | yes or bat at it from the top of the stairs |
| 22:31 | dcook | We covered some baby stuff with tinfoil and one of the cats still went on it |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | well that is a problem of placement :P |
| 22:31 | Francesca | back in a bit |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | resistant cats should be dealt with by water sprayer :P |
| 22:32 | that one never fails. but you do have to be vigilant. | |
| 22:32 | the louder and more hissy the sprayer, the better. | |
| 22:33 | dcook | I think that may have worked better in the early days with our boys |
| 22:33 | Well, it deters them momentarily now, but they're stuck in their ways | |
| 22:33 | Oh, that reminds me.. | |
| 22:34 | * dcook | leaves everyone in suspense on that one |
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| 22:45 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Script identification code - but of course..." (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/210 |
| 22:45 | jcamins | wizzyrea: duct tape works too. |
| 22:45 | dcook | Of course "(3" referes to Arabic and $1 is CJK |
| 22:45 | jcamins: duct tape? | |
| 22:45 | wahanui | i heard duct tape was versatile. |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | for keeping cats away |
| 22:46 | presumably sticky side up? | |
| 22:46 | jcamins | My cat doesn't like walking on duct tape. |
| 22:46 | No, sticky side down. | |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | really! |
| 22:46 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 22:46 | dcook | Weird.. |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | i can totally see sticky side up |
| 22:46 | jcamins | He loves packing tape, but won't stand on duct tape. |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | was not expecting sticky side down |
| 22:46 | jcamins | I mean, sticky side down if you're worried about a ceiling cat. |
| 22:47 | I mean, up. | |
| 22:47 | Sticky side *up* if your cat is walking on your ceiling. | |
| 22:50 | * wizzyrea | doesn't doubt that myshkin would be odd. |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | I seem to recall that he's kind of odd anyway :) |
| 22:50 | though I don't remember specifically why I think that | |
| 22:53 | dcook | On an unrelated note, that moment when you can't tell if what you're thinking is very clever or too clever |
| 22:53 | "too clever" being a bad idea :p | |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | hehe |
| 22:58 | I wrote a report like that earlier today | |
| 22:58 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:59 | I'm trying to figure out a way of re-writing linkages between 852 and 866 fields for multiple holdings records before merging them into a bibliographic record O_O | |
| 22:59 | A reliable way of re-writing linkages* | |
| 22:59 | The hard part is that you want to preserve the current linkages while also adding a unique whole number.. | |
| 23:00 | pianohacker | @marc 866 |
| 23:00 | huginn` | pianohacker: [Described in full under field 866 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) [] |
| 23:00 | pianohacker | thanks a lot, bot |
| 23:01 | *blink* this does not make a lot of sense, but I've never worked with MARC21 Holdings | |
| 23:01 | dcook | So I might have 4 holdings records linked to 1 bibliographic record |
| 23:01 | And each holdings record can have multiple 852 and 866 | |
| 23:01 | which are also linked differently to each other within that holdings record | |
| 23:01 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 23:01 | dcook | pianohacker: MARC21 Holdings hurts my brain |
| 23:01 | Actually, it wouldn't be bad if Koha supported it | |
| 23:01 | pianohacker | hey, hey now |
| 23:01 | dcook | Well, supported separate MARC21 Holdings records |
| 23:01 | It supports embedded ones | |
| 23:02 | pianohacker: Actually, I found an old thread where people had talked about supporting MARC21 Holdings back when the switch to MARC was made | |
| 23:02 | But I think the biggest obstacle was indexing | |
| 23:02 | Of course, that brings us back to this current issue | |
| 23:03 | While you could merge your separate records into your bibliographic record for indexing, you'd have issues with display due to those bad linkages | |
| 23:03 | Unless you weren't using the content from Zebra for display, but yeah... rabbit hole... | |
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| 23:06 | dcook | pianohacker: Didn't mean to overwhelm with text :p |
| 23:06 | pianohacker | I still have to write support for 880 linked fields |
| 23:06 | and authorities | |
| 23:06 | dcook | That would be awesome |
| 23:06 | wahanui | authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html |
| 23:06 | pianohacker | this is giving me the heebie-jeebies :) |
| 23:07 | dcook | The 880 linked fields shouldn't be bad... so long as people entered the data according to spec |
| 23:07 | I wish you luck | |
| 23:07 | Or do you mean support for linking 880 fields with others in Rancor? | |
| 23:07 | Authorities shouldn't be too bad :p | |
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| 23:07 | dcook | But as the person not doing it, I wish you all the luck |
| 23:07 | pianohacker | (yeah, the latter) My philosophy is that if people catalog wrong, Rancor shouldn't break but it should yell at them |
| 23:08 | dcook | ^ |
| 23:08 | Yeah, MarcEdit broke on me a few times yesterday | |
| 23:08 | When it really should have just yelled at me | |
| 23:08 | pianohacker | nengard may, uh, have slightly influenced this philosophy :) |
| 23:08 | dcook | I think the cataloguing discipline has fallen by the wayside in recent years |
| 23:08 | pianohacker | and authorities... aren't too conceptually difficult but the code is fragile |
| 23:08 | dcook | And really... it seems like it was always pretty local anyway |
| 23:09 | :( | |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | jcamins has dug around in there, he knows |
| 23:09 | dcook | Yeah, I'm trying to make this OAI harvester as robust as possible.. |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | he also has this habit of going quiet when I ask about it, for _some_ reason |
| 23:09 | dcook | hehe |
| 23:09 | He's wiser than me | |
| 23:09 | I see something I've worked on, and I blab way too much | |
| 23:10 | pianohacker | dcook: he's also more physically capable of going quiet ;) |
| 23:10 | dcook | I was going to say I'm only typing, but I suppose we have spoken in person a bit... :p |
| 23:10 | I was actually a very quiet child/preteen :p | |
| 23:10 | Making up for lost time | |
| 23:12 | pianohacker | same, actually :) |
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| 23:25 | dcook | MARC-- |
| 23:25 | I sometimes think the lack of standards being introduced by Linked Data is a bad thing, but sometimes it seems like a great chance to innovate | |
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| 23:25 | dcook | And if you can map your own local format to/from a standard format for interchange purposes... |
| 23:26 | Although I suppose that's the rub | |
| 23:30 | Actually, the linking thing... | |
| 23:30 | If Koha stored holdings records like it stores item records and just adds them at indexing time... | |
| 23:31 | You could reliably re-calculate linkage numbers I think | |
| 23:32 | See $8 Sequence Number http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/hd852.html | |
| 23:32 | Of course, different holdings records should be aware of each other according to MARC... | |
| 23:33 | I sometimes wonder if there has ever been a library system which actually perfectly processed MARC records | |
| 23:33 | Or anyone who perfectly catalogued them | |
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| 23:37 | dcook | Actually, that's interesting... |
| 23:37 | We're going to sequence 4 records, but between those 4 records, we only use the numbers 1 and 2 | |
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| 23:40 | dcook | The documentation doesn't even make sense.. |
| 23:40 | "Sequence numbers 1 and 2 provide a display sequence for related holdings records that have identical locations recorded in field 852 subfields $a and $h" | |
| 23:40 | $a is location but $h is call number.. | |
| 23:40 | I guess they mean identical call number too? | |
| 23:45 | chrisvella_ | Hi. Does anyone know about auto-complete/search suggestions in Koha? |
| 23:45 | I found a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGi3NTckxs but no further information. | |
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