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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | wizzyrea | perhaps? it's a guarantee. |
| 00:01 | rangi | ill have to have a think about how to deal with it, it always derails useful threads |
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| 00:06 | drojf | i'd like a list option to have someone subscribed and receive all mail, but their own emails only go back to them, pretending to go to everyone |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea | hm. Sounds like a technical solution to a people problem. |
| 00:07 | drojf | i don't think i can solve the people problem in this case |
| 00:17 | wizzyrea | is the merge authority cronjob still needed? |
| 00:17 | clearly so I'd reckon. | |
| 00:19 | just ignore that. | |
| 00:20 | drojf | oh my it's late |
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| 00:21 | drojf | pretty late for magnuse too |
| 00:21 | mtj | rangi: do you have an example of a SIP checkout string? perhaps? |
| 00:22 | 11YN20151209 13103220151210 131032AO|AAtest|AB20150011|AC | |
| 00:22 | rangi | yep |
| 00:23 | mtj | ^ thats mine.. but i get a stupid 'Blocking checkout Reason:INVALID_DATE' error |
| 00:23 | and both dates look ok to me | |
| 00:23 | 20151209 131032 | 20151210 131032 | |
| 00:24 | Dec 9 13:20:39 b32 koha_sip[23753]: ILS::Transaction::Checkout performing checkout... | |
| 00:24 | Dec 9 13:20:39 b32 koha_sip[23753]: Blocking checkout Reason:INVALID_DATE | |
| 00:24 | Dec 9 13:20:39 b32 koha_sip[23753]: ILS::Checkout Issue failed | |
| 00:24 | rangi | dont send a due date |
| 00:24 | 11YN20151209 123211 AOL|AAK00030511|ABL03365685|AC | |
| 00:25 | try that without the second date | |
| 00:25 | let koha work it out | |
| 00:25 | wizzyrea | yeah the selfcheck wouldn't know what to set the duedate to |
| 00:25 | it doesn't have the rules | |
| 00:25 | mtj | yep, ok... i tried that 1st (fwiw) |
| 00:26 | ..i was confused by the spec.. says its a '18 char, required field' | |
| 00:27 | rangi | yeah spaces matter |
| 00:27 | mtj | tho, i guess that migth be 18 spaces too huh? |
| 00:27 | rangi | yep |
| 00:27 | * rangi | heads out |
| 00:27 | drojf | rangi: you mentioned updating cached values instead of flushing everything a few days ago. i'd like to look into the cache flushing problem related to MARC structure when i have some time. do we have examples for updating it that in koha, or where could i get some info about it? never really done anything with cache in koha (or elsewhere) |
| 00:27 | heh timing is everything | |
| 00:29 | mtj | meh, and still the same error for me :/ |
| 00:33 | ..i might have to leave that bug, for now | |
| 00:42 | drojf | i should go to bed. good night |
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| 02:44 | dcook | Wow... you know it's a busy day when it's 1:44pm and you just remembered that you bought pastries for breakfast... and forgot to eat them |
| 02:51 | ibeardslee | wow |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | who forgets to eat? |
| 02:56 | dcook | wizzyrea: This guy |
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| 03:01 | * francesca | waves |
| 03:01 | francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 03:01 | huginn` | francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (3:30 PM NZDT on December 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | hi francesca |
| 03:03 | ibeardslee: like the thin sheets of foam? | |
| 03:04 | maybe at bunnings, as flooring underlay | |
| 03:09 | ibeardslee | hmm |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | i'm not sure it's LDPE though, it varies |
| 03:11 | http://www.bunnings.co.nz/qep-[…]te-11m2_p06650147 < a la | |
| 03:14 | ibeardslee: http://www.attwoods.co.nz/Product-Range/PP/BF also these people sell lots of stuff like that | |
| 03:15 | http://www.attwoods.co.nz/Product-Range/PP/FP possibly a better link | |
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| 03:34 | ibeardslee | thanks, given them a call and left a message |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea | good luck |
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| 05:09 | t4nk726 | Good morning |
| 05:09 | wahanui | the only good morning is a dead one |
| 05:11 | dcook | Well that's dark |
| 05:12 | t4nk726 | hello |
| 05:12 | wahanui | kia ora, t4nk726 |
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| 07:11 | * Oak | waves |
| 07:11 | Oak | magnuse |
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| 07:26 | magnuse | Oak! |
| 07:26 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:26 | Oak | \o/ |
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| 07:51 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:59 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 08:04 | Joubu | hi |
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| 08:12 | ashimema | did you see bug 15333 Joubu :) |
| 08:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Use Koha::Cache for caching all holidays |
| 08:12 | ashimema | morning #koha |
| 08:13 | I wonder if we could somehow work on a performance regression test for this stuff.. | |
| 08:13 | * ashimema | goes to get breakfast |
| 08:15 | Joubu | ashimema: yep I have seen it :) |
| 08:17 | but as I said yesterday, I don't think we are gonna win a lot there | |
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| 08:32 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:37 | ashimema | did you also see my mail about Time::Moment? |
| 08:38 | witout profiling, I'm not sure how you can make such a judgment regarding caching the other holidays..? | |
| 08:40 | I think caching special_holdays will make a difference myself.. | |
| 08:41 | two of our most performance deprived systems havve 262 and 921 rows in the special holidays tables respectively.. | |
| 08:41 | caching means we won't be doing 262*3 db hits and 262*3 DateTime instantiations.. | |
| 08:41 | that's got to help in my book ;) | |
| 08:44 | Joubu.. do you think we could stick a db-dependant test in that does a Benchmark run to warn if this code gets dramatically slower at any point in the future? | |
| 08:45 | Joubu | currently the tests don't depend on a caching system |
| 08:49 | * cait | waves |
| 08:49 | Oak | Hello cait! |
| 08:49 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 08:50 | ashimema | do we have any form of nieve in memory caching? |
| 08:50 | * ashimema | also doesn't understand why Koha::Cache is the way it is.. |
| 08:53 | magnuse | ashimema: nieve? |
| 08:54 | ashimema | I can't spell today.. I meant 'Naive'.. i.e. simple |
| 08:54 | along the lines of https://metacpan.org/pod/Mojo::Cache | |
| 08:55 | There are some things that could/should be cached even without a full fledged cache system in place.. | |
| 08:55 | we've got rid of lots of global variable to become plack safe.. | |
| 08:55 | those were in effect the sort of thing I was thinking about | |
| 08:56 | it'll never help CGI.. | |
| 08:57 | * magnuse | was afraid it was "Archaic Northern British and Scot. Dialect. a clenched or closed hand; fist." |
| 08:57 | ashimema | but we should really be optimizing for persistent apps now we have plack support being tested properly in master (we now have our three biggest sites all using plack (with a CGI backup running in parallel in case plack explodes).. in a live environment) |
| 08:57 | haha.. | |
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| 08:58 | * magnuse | also has his biggest customer running plack, but without a backup |
| 08:58 | ashimema | anyone know what the story was around moving away from CHI and developing our own cache scheme instead> |
| 08:58 | we found plack crashed too much early on to not have the CGI fallback. | |
| 08:59 | we're slowly weaning them off the fallback though ;) | |
| 08:59 | how big is big for you magnuse.. if you don't mind me asking? | |
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| 09:00 | cait | ashimema: i am not sure what CHI is even... so i am out |
| 09:00 | i think there is an ongoing dicussion about where to put configuration tho | |
| 09:00 | ashimema | ours is, 241,658 active users, 278,760 biblioitems |
| 09:01 | CHI is a very well respected Cache abstraction layer in CPAN cait.. | |
| 09:01 | cait | it eems to be still listed |
| 09:01 | in some of the files like debian/list-deps | |
| 09:02 | ashimema | basically, it gives you a common standardised API that can talk to a myriad of actualy cache back ends.. |
| 09:02 | cait | iguess jared would know |
| 09:03 | ashimema | well I can't find any mention of it in any actual code any more ;) |
| 09:03 | Koha::Cache removed it | |
| 09:03 | cait | he wrote both - chi sand the new one it seems |
| 09:03 | CHI was incompatible with the variable tying, so this patch also removes | |
| 09:03 | the dependency on CHI, using instead Cache::Memcached::Fast, | |
| 09:03 | Cache::FastMmap, and Cache::Memory, when they are available. | |
| 09:03 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]10506e171e79a8c05 | |
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| 09:04 | drojf | morning #koha |
| 09:04 | ashimema | yeah.. |
| 09:04 | I don't entirely understand what he means by 'variable typing' though ;) | |
| 09:07 | to me, it looks like it adds complication without much reward.. but I'm likely being naive.. I would really like to know the 'why' it was done though.. in less technical speak than that commit message | |
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| 09:18 | ashimema | just as I thought might be the case.. |
| 09:18 | I can't find a single mention of the 'tied' cache stuff outside of Koha::Cache.. | |
| 09:18 | ->create_hash and ->create_scalar are not called anywhere in the code at all.. it might have been a good idea at the time but I don't think anyone understand how it's meant to work. | |
| 09:19 | could do with jcamins popping up to put me in my place around about now ;) | |
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| 09:27 | Joubu | ashimema: did you read the pod? |
| 09:28 | ashimema | yup.. |
| 09:28 | it's a tied variable that's cached.. | |
| 09:28 | but I don't see it actually in use anywhere in our codebase | |
| 09:28 | only the OO aproach | |
| 09:28 | Joubu | no, it's not |
| 09:28 | ashimema | ? |
| 09:28 | not used? | |
| 09:28 | or not tied | |
| 09:29 | Joubu | yes, it's not used :) |
| 09:29 | ashimema | lol.. |
| 09:29 | why did we bother with it.. do you know the history? | |
| 09:29 | just seems odd to me to move away from a really well documented and well maintained library.. | |
| 09:29 | Joubu | Regarding the sign-off-by line I have tested it |
| 09:29 | ashimema | to invent our own api instead. |
| 09:29 | Joubu | but I cannot remember |
| 09:29 | ashimema | hehe.. |
| 09:30 | I'm sure it works.. | |
| 09:30 | it jsut seems to overcomplicate a bit to me ;) | |
| 09:30 | Joubu | the idea was to simplify the cache system of Koha |
| 09:30 | the idea of the tie interface, I don't remember anything about that | |
| 09:30 | ashimema | but I may well be missing something fundamental.. my point is that I don't know anyone who does know how to use it ;) |
| 09:31 | Joubu | ashimema: bug 8089 uses it |
| 09:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 09:31 | ashimema | lol.. |
| 09:31 | back from 2012 ;) | |
| 09:33 | is that a case of 'too much in one bug?' | |
| 09:33 | cait | one of the many things that got stuck i guess :( |
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| 09:34 | ashimema | there's activity in it from early last year. |
| 09:34 | by eythian | |
| 09:35 | but no further followups to actually get things moving forward again | |
| 09:36 | Joubu | it has been pushed actually, then reverted |
| 09:36 | "It does, however, eliminate the problem of sysprefs not getting updated in all threads in multi-threaded environments." | |
| 09:37 | it seems that the goal was to fix what we have poorly fixed in koha.psgi with the clear_pref call | |
| 09:42 | ashimema | I see |
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| 09:48 | magnuse | ashimema: not terribly big - 91 621 items, 14 475 borrowers |
| 09:49 | i have a vague impression that CHI was dropped because it was hard to package for debian, but that might be utterly wrong | |
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| 10:02 | ashimema | really.. |
| 10:02 | wahanui | hmmm... really is more trouble than she's worth. |
| 10:02 | ashimema | I'd be surprised if it wasn't already packaged.. |
| 10:02 | it's pretty much the defacto cache abstraction library for Perl. | |
| 10:02 | oh well | |
| 10:03 | Might be worth investing some time in 8089 if it actually uses Koha::Cache to all it's advantages. | |
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| 10:03 | ashimema | I'd like to see caching done more thoroughly in general |
| 10:16 | magnuse | cache all the things! |
| 10:17 | cait | does someone kow if we have documentation about the 'download a dump of your database' feature? |
| 10:17 | i thought that was something that could be activated somehow - for the packages? | |
| 10:18 | ashimema | I tihnk there's a config option cait |
| 10:18 | magnuse | you must enable it in koha-conf.xml, i think? |
| 10:18 | ashimema | as in koha-conf.xml |
| 10:18 | cait | hm, does somene have a keyowrd i could use for searching maybe? |
| 10:19 | magnuse | <backup_db_via_tools>0</backup_db_via_tools> |
| 10:19 | <backup_conf_via_tools>0</backup_conf_via_tools> | |
| 10:19 | drojf | conf won't work due to permissions |
| 10:19 | i think we agreed its better that way, there is a bug | |
| 10:20 | cait | oh? |
| 10:20 | so the feature is broken? | |
| 10:21 | drojf | bug 14564 |
| 10:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14564 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Export configuration: Unfortunately, no backups are available. |
| 10:21 | magnuse | a comment in koha-con.xml says: |
| 10:21 | <!-- Enable the two following to allow superlibrarians to download | |
| 10:21 | database and configuration dumps (respectively) from the Export | |
| 10:21 | tool --> | |
| 10:21 | drojf | db works fine |
| 10:21 | the other needs tweaks on the server, but has security implications | |
| 10:21 | magnuse | but the docs do not seem to mention this in the parts about the Export tool |
| 10:22 | cait | ah |
| 10:22 | drojf | (file permissions on the server, not koha permissions) |
| 10:22 | cait | so db download would work? |
| 10:22 | drojf | it does |
| 10:22 | cait | thx! |
| 10:22 | drojf++ | |
| 10:23 | mtj | ashimema: looks like this is the patch to add CHI, bug 8092 |
| 10:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Koha should use CHI caching framework |
| 10:23 | ashimema | yup.. |
| 10:23 | mtj | ..but, i dont know if/why it was later removed from koha |
| 10:23 | ashimema | then he removed it again later :) |
| 10:24 | mtj.. it was to enable tied variables to be cached. | |
| 10:24 | cait | drojf: do you know if there is a permission check on that tool by chance? |
| 10:24 | ashimema | not that we're using them anywhere at all yet.. but there is a 3 year old patch that introduces a few uses.. but it's stuck |
| 10:24 | drojf | i don't |
| 10:24 | mtj | ah, ok.. CHI doesnt handle that huh.. :/ |
| 10:24 | ashimema | apparently not.. |
| 10:25 | I am a tad perplexed as to why we need them though myself ;) | |
| 10:25 | drojf | cait: i can have a look at my server, but i don't remember setting something |
| 10:27 | mtj | ashimema: fwiw... ive have situations where i needed that in koha - so i can imagine it might be required |
| 10:28 | ashimema | ooh.. |
| 10:28 | please explain the use case.. I'm likely just missing something :) | |
| 10:28 | and would love to learn what it is. ;) | |
| 10:30 | magnuse | bug 9434 |
| 10:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9434 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Introduce new tied cache system |
| 10:31 | drojf | cait: i don't see a permisson for that in tools. but i have only superlibrarians using it |
| 10:32 | but it should be controlled | |
| 10:36 | cait | hm i will check the template - do you have the name by chance? |
| 10:37 | magnuse | @later tell nengard it looks like the possibility to set <backup_db_via_tools>0</backup_db_via_tools> and <backup_conf_via_tools>0</backup_conf_via_tools> in koha-conf.xml, and then be able to download backups from Tools > Export is not documented in the manual? but see also bug 14564 |
| 10:37 | huginn` | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:37 | drojf | cait: export.tt i guess |
| 10:38 | cait | drojf: ah it's part of the normal export page |
| 10:38 | drojf | yes |
| 10:38 | its another tab there | |
| 10:38 | cait | so possibly export_catalog |
| 10:38 | the tools permission | |
| 10:39 | 207 if ( $flags->{superlibrarian} < supelibrarian | |
| 10:39 | drojf | ok, that is what i was hoping for ;) |
| 10:40 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]792fdbe9df10#l205 |
| 10:40 | i am just a little worried about the check itself | |
| 10:40 | it should be using IsSuperlibrarian or whatever it's called | |
| 10:41 | drojf | ok. i have never done stuff related to permissions i think |
| 10:43 | not too many people up for a trip to berlin in january i guess ;) | |
| 10:43 | cait | i remember it was hard to check correctly, we had lots of different versions not all working, so we introduced a routine to do it correctly |
| 10:43 | i haven't had time to discuss it here really | |
| 10:43 | you are impatient :) | |
| 10:43 | drojf: also - german list? | |
| 10:44 | * magnuse | has other travel plans in january |
| 10:44 | mtj | ashimema: i cant recall... but ive sometimes needed to use Tie::Hash::Indexed |
| 10:45 | ..so, im thinking CHI would have a problem caching those structures? ^ | |
| 10:45 | drojf | cait: i would prefer to have devs first. and it is really on short notice, so maybe not even going to happen |
| 10:45 | but it would be an option, so i thpought, why not ask | |
| 10:45 | cait | yep |
| 10:45 | magnuse | drojf++ |
| 10:47 | drojf | i can only plan until january atm, i'd propose a later date again. i can use the room for free, there is a kitchen, a terrace and barbecue stuff too ;) |
| 10:47 | cait | nice! |
| 10:48 | drojf | and they are happy if free software stuff happens there |
| 10:49 | mtj | a bit off-topic, but i think it would be a good idea to remove some of the 'lesser' caching options from koha |
| 10:49 | drojf | but there are other events of course, so you have to set dates upfront and manoeuvre around fixed events |
| 10:50 | mtj | '...using instead Cache::Memcached::Fast, Cache::FastMmap, and Cache::Memory, when they are available.' |
| 10:52 | having the option of 3 caching systems, makes things tricky to debug :/ | |
| 10:53 | drojf | shouldn't we have one way to handle cache stuff in general and it works with whatever option you use? i thought that was the purpose of koha::cache (without having looked at it) |
| 10:57 | ashimema | haha.. I totally agree mtj |
| 10:57 | but felt I'd ranted anough for one day ;) | |
| 10:57 | it is the point of Koha::Cache drojf | |
| 10:58 | but whilst we allow for a myriad of back ends to it, there's a myriad of issues that could pop up.. | |
| 10:58 | mtj | what he said ^ |
| 10:59 | drojf | ah ok. yes, for koha:cache itself it is probably a lot to debug so it actually works |
| 10:59 | maybe its worth to ask on the dev list what options are actually used? | |
| 10:59 | ashimema | I'd rather we just have two cache systems.. personally I'd go for memcached::fast.. and as a fallback if memcached is not found I'd use some naive memory based cache. |
| 10:59 | I wonder if that information is remotely obtainable via hea? | |
| 11:00 | Joubu? | |
| 11:00 | wahanui | Joubu is not sure how to fix that correctly |
| 11:01 | drojf | lol |
| 11:03 | mtj | so, any time anyone has a cache related bug.. the question is 'what cache subsystem are you using?' |
| 11:03 | ..and often people dont that | |
| 11:03 | drojf | know? |
| 11:03 | :) | |
| 11:04 | mtj | yeah |
| 11:04 | anyhoo, i think im ranting now too | |
| 11:07 | Joubu | ashimema: ? |
| 11:07 | no it's not | |
| 11:08 | it's an env var, not a pref | |
| 11:13 | ashimema | oh well |
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| 11:32 | mtj | ashimema: i agree with 2 cache systems (as a start) |
| 11:34 | would probably be a simple patch to remove either Cache::FastMmap or Cache::Memory | |
| 11:35 | i say we get rid of the slower one :) | |
| 11:37 | Joubu | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/037515.html |
| 11:37 | [Koha-devel] using CHI directly to use all of it's advantages | |
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| 12:03 | mtj | thanks for the history Joubu :) |
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| 12:45 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:46 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:04 | oleonard | ashimema? Bug 15335 seems to duplicate Bug 11622 |
| 13:04 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin, ASSIGNED , Online payment of fines |
| 13:04 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to pay fees and fines from OPAC via PayPal | |
| 13:07 | Joubu | oleonard: 11622 provides the paypal way only |
| 13:07 | cait | i think the preferred way here would be to use a provider |
| 13:08 | who coves all the different payment methods and forwards the money to the library | |
| 13:08 | * oleonard | has the wrong martin anyway |
| 13:08 | cait | hm why the wrong martin? |
| 13:08 | oh | |
| 13:09 | * oleonard | wasn't paying attention |
| 13:09 | cait | me neither :) |
| 13:09 | and i thik this ashimema-martin might have done something similar actually | |
| 13:10 | morning tc | |
| 13:11 | ashimema | different martin ;) |
| 13:11 | cait | ... I should take a break |
| 13:11 | ashimema: didn't you do work on online payments too or am i confusing htings? *scratches head* | |
| 13:11 | ashimema | I did indeed.. |
| 13:11 | what i decided was that it was too hard to generalise it.. | |
| 13:12 | so our Online Payments (which is for the provider in the UK called WPM) is coded outside of koha.. then parachuted in via opacuserjs | |
| 13:13 | wpm is also very UK centric.. so i didn't think it would stand the remotest chance of getting into community.. | |
| 13:14 | and it also integrates with out Cash Management piece.. which is only likely to get submitted after the accounts system is more stable. | |
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| 13:26 | paul_p | anyone around that could help with a git-bz setup problem ? |
| 13:26 | I'm trying to setup git-bz on my new virtual machine. | |
| 13:26 | * oleonard | waves to paul_p |
| 13:26 | paul_p | git bz apply work well. |
| 13:26 | hi oleonard | |
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| 13:27 | paul_p | git bz attach give me a nasty "044de78 Bug 7728: fix subs history end date consistency |
| 13:27 | Attach? [yn] y | |
| 13:27 | <!DOCTYPE html> | |
| 13:27 | <html lang="en"> | |
| 13:27 | <head> | |
| 13:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7728 normal, P4, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fixing subscription endddate inconsistency: should be empty when the subscription is running |
| 13:27 | paul_p | <title>Log in to Bugzilla</title> |
| 13:27 | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> | |
| 13:27 | <link href="data/assets/a20619e3724298545775187a20becc70.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"> | |
| 13:27 | Failed to attach patch to bug 7728, status=200 | |
| 13:27 | I think git bz is correctly configured: | |
| 13:28 | bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.path=/bugzilla3 | |
| 13:28 | bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-user=paul.poulainbiblibre.com |
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| 13:28 | bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-password=blablabla | |
| 13:29 | bz.default-tracker=bugs.koha-community.org | |
| 13:29 | bz.default-product=Koha | |
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| 13:29 | drojf | paul_p: did you get the fishsoup branch of git-bz? (or whats it called) |
| 13:29 | paul_p | drojf I followed http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
| 13:29 | drojf | ok that should be in there |
| 13:29 | paul_p | but no fishsoup branch... |
| 13:29 | * paul_p | check again |
| 13:29 | drojf | oh |
| 13:29 | wait | |
| 13:30 | paul_p | nope, I'm on master branch... |
| 13:30 | drojf | its in the first part |
| 13:30 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ration#Get_git-bz | |
| 13:30 | checkout the fishsoup branch and try again | |
| 13:30 | for git-bz, not koha :) | |
| 13:31 | paul_p | drojf thanks ! fixed |
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| 13:32 | drojf | great! |
| 13:34 | paul_p | drojf = bug 7729 need a signoff ;-) |
| 13:34 | drojf = bz 7729 need a signoff ;-) | |
| 13:34 | oups... | |
| 13:34 | 7728, not 7729 | |
| 13:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, CLOSED FIXED, svc API should allow modification of items |
| 13:37 | drojf | paul_p: sorry, busy finishing things for koha seminar tomorrow :) |
| 13:38 | paul_p | drojf koha seminar ? when and where ? |
| 13:40 | drojf | berlin, tomorrow. just a ittle one, i'm giving an overview, it's only ~3 hours |
| 13:41 | oleonard | "only" 3 hours :) |
| 13:43 | drojf | oleonard: it sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. i split it in 1,5h for system stuff and 1,5h for modules and usage… and preparing it, i think i could easily be twice the time if i am not careful :D |
| 13:43 | and there needs to be time for questions too | |
| 13:46 | but i will mention paul_p ;) | |
| 13:47 | oh btw… | |
| 13:47 | paul_p | if you have only 3 hours don't waste your time mentioning me ;-) |
| 13:47 | drojf | paul_p: people would probably be very interested in coral integration. are there any notes/ideas written down somehere about it? |
| 13:48 | paul_p | drojf yes... in french. translating them in english (and writing a global unique document in french) is on my todo list... |
| 13:49 | drojf | i'd try the french version to get an idea ;) |
| 13:49 | paul_p | drojf can't send it today, sorry (not ready/readable) |
| 13:49 | but will do asap ! | |
| 13:49 | drojf | ok no problem |
| 13:49 | i have another seminar next week ;) | |
| 13:51 | got to do some shopping for tomorrow. later #koha | |
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| 14:30 | magnuse | http://www.iflscience.com/edit[…]levels-first-time isn't bag in china now? |
| 14:34 | misilot | is there a duplicate circ rule option in Koha somewhere? :) would make having to copy about 20 rules a lot easier. |
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| 14:36 | geek_cl | Hi #koha ! |
| 14:41 | here still fighting with the zebra index | |
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| 14:44 | pastebot | "geek_cl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "reviewing the perms of zebra and cronjobs." (272 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 |
| 14:45 | geek_cl | new items only appears when do a full rebuild-zebra, not the incremental on cronjobs. |
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| 15:11 | geek_cl | why ? |
| 15:12 | Shane-S | Q: Is there a way to entered damage without changing the status, sort of like a log. I am doing it for electronics, but a book example might be "torn page". All I see is an option to change to damaged. |
| 15:20 | cait | Shane-S: Damaged is an authorised value |
| 15:20 | you can change what shows in the pull down and have multiple values | |
| 15:20 | look for DAMAGED in adminsitration > authorised values | |
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| 15:24 | Shane-S | cait: but I can't have like a log, where a user can just put a value in and have it save (with a datestamp and user checked out ID). Basically I am trying to track damage to stuff, and get a way to report on students creating the damage electronics/books/anything tracked |
| 15:25 | cait | hm, i think a date is not saved - maybe you can see it in the cataloguing logs |
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| 15:25 | cait | and there is no way to link a patron to it |
| 15:26 | Shane-S | cait: okay...thought so...surprised..I would think I library would like to track users who tend to damage stuff. |
| 15:26 | cait | you could adda note in the patron account |
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| 15:27 | drojf | awesome, network problems |
| 15:27 | i don't have time for this | |
| 15:27 | * drojf | sighs |
| 15:27 | cait | is it today? |
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| 15:29 | Shane-S | cait: yeah...have to write my own little program I think, I was hoping to use Koha so the Librarian and I would be logging damage together so we could track bad kid or problem items (like a series of laptops with a keyboard issue) |
| 15:30 | Some software out there, but it seems to be lacking that User and Device level of connectivity. | |
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| 15:31 | cait | it's not quite made for that i think |
| 15:37 | Shane-S | maybe I can try and code a module and embed it with an iframe or something. |
| 15:38 | cait | maybe you could also think about a plugin |
| 15:38 | some libraries might be interested in using it that way :) | |
| 15:40 | Joubu | (bug 13618 needs urgently a signoff) |
| 15:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 15:40 | Shane-S | Maybe...there is an open source app snipeit that seemed great, but it lacked the quick and easy barcode and scanner Koha has. |
| 15:41 | Joubu | (that was completely off topic) |
| 15:41 | cait | not really |
| 15:41 | this is #koha! | |
| 15:45 | ccordova | Hi , I 'm trying to set coincidentally bibliographic records to avoid duplicate records. |
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| 15:45 | ccordova | in management of Koha > Record matching rules . It is only for import of bibliographic records ?. |
| 15:47 | If Setup coincidentally where the record for cataloging module ? | |
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| 15:49 | cait | ccordova: you can also set up rules for authoritiy import |
| 15:50 | ccordova | Configure need to check before saving the ISBN registration and so avoid having duplicate records |
| 15:54 | oleonard | Joubu: When using git-bz to apply patches for Bug 13618, "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/modules/opac-authoritiessearchresultlist.tt)" |
| 15:54 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 15:56 | Joubu | oleonard: use the remote branch please |
| 15:56 | the patches are not up-to-date | |
| 15:56 | oleonard | Oh sorry I didn't see that |
| 15:57 | Joubu | no worries :) |
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| 16:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:05 | oleonard | Joubu: Is there any particular test plan besides "Poke every page which was changed" ? Or are there certain things which need to be tested? |
| 16:06 | Joubu | oleonard: The patches have already been tested deeply (I suppose they have), so I'd say the page testers could have forgotten :) |
| 16:06 | The weird pages you can only access after 3 clicks | |
| 16:07 | oleonard: Bernado caught issues when editing records (because of html/js generated from pl/pm) | |
| 16:07 | it could be an issue for html/js retrieved from the DB | |
| 16:08 | if you think about some specific fields... | |
| 16:08 | oleonard | Is there a Debian package for Template::Stash::AutoEscaping? |
| 16:08 | Joubu | I don't think so |
| 16:09 | oleonard | Is that a problem? |
| 16:09 | Joubu | but it's the only decent one I have found so far |
| 16:09 | iirc I have managed to generated it easily | |
| 16:17 | nengard_phone | qa folks, where does http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14610 stand in your queues for qa? getting asked by the library that sponsored it |
| 16:17 | huginn` | 04Bug 14610: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add ability to place article requests in Koha |
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| 16:32 | Joubu | Whaou, crazy. For any pages opened from the staff interface, the GetMemberDetails is called, which call GetMemberAccountRecords which the items infos for all accountlines entries |
| 16:32 | to finally... tadam... display the title + surname + firstname of the patron | |
| 16:33 | exists since 2006 | |
| 16:34 | some useless cpu cycles have been lost there | |
| 16:35 | oleonard | Joubu: I'm still confused about how to help with Bug 13618. What should I be testing? |
| 16:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 16:38 | Joubu | oleonard: The goal is to find regression about variable escaping |
| 16:38 | for instance, if html comes from the DB, the variable should not be escaped in the template ([% var.raw %]) | |
| 16:39 | if the .raw is not specified, the var will be escaped and the html won't be display correctly | |
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| 16:55 | cbrannon | KohaNA meeting starting in 5 minutes (11am Central). If you would like to voice your opinion, contribute, or simply want to listen in, you can join this meeting by visiting <https://kslib.zoom.us/j/657929919>. This meeting will take the form of a multi-party video-chat, however, you do not need to have a webcam to participate. |
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| 18:01 | Joubu | bye |
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| 18:29 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 19:40 | wnickc | anyone recall a bug about erros in reports |
| 19:40 | ? | |
| 19:55 | where it was giving software errors instead of useful ones | |
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| 20:11 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:12 | wnickc: what version? | |
| 20:12 | wahanui | it has been said that version is always noted in a comment on top |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | forget what version |
| 20:12 | wahanui | version is always noted in a comment on top |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | forget version |
| 20:12 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot version |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | version is always noted in a comment at the top of the view source in the OPAC |
| 20:13 | wnickc | I think 3.18.9 |
| 20:14 | or 10 | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | |
| 20:14 | wahanui | wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules. |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | hehe it's true. |
| 20:15 | right, and what kind of report are you trying to run that gives you an error | |
| 20:15 | (for example | |
| 20:15 | ) | |
| 20:15 | wnickc | it's when you have a syntax error in report (unrecognized column name or something) and you get a software error instead of a nice error |
| 20:15 | I swear I saw this bug | |
| 20:16 | and now cannot locate | |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | well I'll try a couple of things, make a bug if it pops up again and I'll have a nosey |
| 20:17 | wnickc | okey doke |
| 20:17 | I thought it was resolved too | |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | wnickc: if you can be specific about the version that would be helpful |
| 20:18 | bc if it's a regression I can find it and burn it with acid. | |
| 20:18 | wnickc | one sec |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | http://38.media.tumblr.com/342[…]1qgwwkpo5_250.gif |
| 20:19 | wnickc | present in 3.18.09 |
| 20:20 | Software error: | |
| 20:20 | Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/reports/guided_reports.pl line 935. | |
| 20:20 | For help, please send mail to the webmaster (staffbywatersolutions.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. |
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| 20:20 | if you enter an unknown column name | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | yay, that's helpful. thanks |
| 20:23 | * wizzyrea | makes a note to check master for the strange looking layout on the "saved reports" page |
| 20:24 | wnickc | whre the filter is all squished over stuff |
| 20:24 | you know technically speaking | |
| 20:24 | it's there | |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | yep, that one :) |
| 20:24 | right, | |
| 20:24 | so | |
| 20:24 | that happens all the way back to 3.18.0 | |
| 20:29 | wnickc | the display or the software error? |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | the software error |
| 20:29 | I didn't look at the display ^.^ | |
| 20:30 | (i'm not going to go back into 3.16, sorry.) | |
| 20:30 | wnickc | seems reasonable |
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| 20:31 | wizzyrea | also yes, it's still smooshy on 3.23 |
| 20:31 | keke. | |
| 20:31 | omg, the report create interface has steps now | |
| 20:32 | I don't think I'm keen... | |
| 20:32 | oh wait | |
| 20:32 | no, that's me. | |
| 20:32 | I clicked the wrong button | |
| 20:32 | ^.^ | |
| 20:32 | so, that works in 3.23, the fancy error messages | |
| 20:32 | wnickc | alirght, present through 3.18.x but fixed in 3.20.x |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | I thought that came in on 3.2 |
| 20:33 | 3.20* | |
| 20:33 | it'd be a "feature" so probably not backported, yeah | |
| 20:33 | though that one's a little fuzzy | |
| 20:34 | select thingie from items < I make myself laugh | |
| 20:37 | wnickc | that's better than shoes |
| 20:37 | thats whhat I select | |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:37 | well there might be thingies in Koha, there definitely won't be shoes. | |
| 20:38 | wnickc | no shoe libraries? realia offers many crazy possibilities |
| 20:38 | back in a bit | |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:42 | barton | I'm going to camp on to wnickc's questoin a bit... |
| 20:47 | my question is a bit meta -- is there a table somewhere that has a list of the bug statuses in bugzilla, and when the statuses would change? I seem to get caught trying to find old stuff after major releases, and I'm never sure what process is involved that triggers status changes. | |
| 20:47 | is there a QA manual or something I could refer to? | |
| 20:47 | or RM manual, I guess. | |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | humans do that |
| 20:48 | development workflow | |
| 20:48 | hm. | |
| 20:49 | development workflow is <reply> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]elopment_workflow | |
| 20:49 | barton ^ | |
| 20:50 | * wizzyrea | isn't certain what info you're looking for |
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| 20:51 | barton | Ah, so I guess part of my question is step 9: The bug is marked resolved/fixed by the 'bug closer'. -- do we have a designated bug closer? |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | no. |
| 20:52 | sometimes the rm does it | |
| 20:52 | personally I don't like closing them | |
| 20:52 | because the default search leaves them out | |
| 20:52 | barton | Ah, I see under Roles 'Bug closer: the person who checked that the bug is now fixed. Can be the reporter, it's preferred that the patch writer is not the closer.' |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | I'd rather not have to do an advanced search to find closed ones. |
| 20:53 | at least not ones that are "resolved fixed" | |
| 20:53 | but I am supremely lazy :) | |
| 20:55 | barton | Ok ... well. looks like i knew more of the process that I thought I did. |
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| 20:55 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 20:55 | it's not that compicated. nengard has a flow chart on your website for it. | |
| 21:01 | pastebot | "geek_cl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "why ?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/202 |
| 21:03 | barton | Yeah ... I've seen that... I wasn't clear on the resolved/fixed status.... and bugzilla also has RESOLVED, VERIFIED, CLOSED, BLOCKED, Pushed by Module Maintainer and Pushed for QA, which aren't documented in the Development Workflow. |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | those are bz default statuses. |
| 21:04 | MM was an idea we had, it never really flew | |
| 21:04 | or hasn't yet | |
| 21:04 | pushed for qa goes with that. | |
| 21:04 | barton | Ah... welll http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]s.html#bug_status |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | verified means "yes I have replicated this" |
| 21:04 | "the bug exists" | |
| 21:05 | blocked means another bug stands in it's way | |
| 21:05 | yeah, that's the internal bz documentation | |
| 21:06 | barton | yeah, I know about the MM... I have a feeling that the next RM may be trying that again ;-) |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | heh |
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| 21:22 | misilot | when offline circulation files are imported, can checkout notices be disabled for anything that had already been checked in (at the time the files were imported)? not sure if I am missing something somewhere |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | misilot: I haven't tested that, but I suspect that it uses the same routines to do the checkout |
| 21:28 | it being the circ import | |
| 21:28 | and it seems likely to me that there's no condition there to do the checkouts any differently than a standard one | |
| 21:29 | (mind you, I haven't checked and I can't prioritise that right now) | |
| 21:29 | there would be ways around that | |
| 21:29 | namely, retroactively setting all notices off by turning it off for the category, updating all of the borrowers using the script, doing the import, then reversing your change and doing another batch update | |
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| 21:29 | wizzyrea | but that seems like a daft amount of work |
| 21:35 | Xellos | why the heck is the kohacon held in nigeria? |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | why wouldn't it be? |
| 21:36 | Xellos | lol, seems like that's the last place i would want to be |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | that's on you, not them. |
| 21:36 | Xellos | haha |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | there are koha users there, they put in a bid, and they got the most votes. |
| 21:37 | so that's where it was. This year it's in greece but we don't have updated info for that conf yet. | |
| 21:37 | Xellos | yeah the webpage hasn't been updated yet |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | I know, I run it. :) |
| 21:38 | Xellos | oh nice |
| 21:39 | just noticed your a monderator lol | |
| 21:39 | *moderator | |
| 21:40 | misilot | wizzyrea: thanks ya it sends email with checkouts that had been checked in. We get users that "complain" and are like, I returned it already. Figured I would ask. Thank you again! |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | wait are you sending checkin messages? |
| 21:41 | or checkout? | |
| 21:41 | wahanui | checkout is probably probably better in this case. |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | forget checkout |
| 21:41 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot checkout |
| 21:41 | misilot | checkin message |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 21:41 | yeah | |
| 21:41 | misilot | i mean checkout* sorry |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 21:41 | :) | |
| 21:41 | misilot | sorry, can't read/type apparently |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | so when you check it in, it sends a checkout message? |
| 21:41 | ^ this seems more wrong | |
| 21:41 | misilot | when we process a KOC file, that has both a checkin and checkout of a book. It sends a checkout message |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | but doesn't send a check-in as well? |
| 21:42 | or do you not enable that | |
| 21:42 | misilot | we don't send checkin |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 21:42 | see a way around that complaining problem | |
| 21:42 | would be to enable the check-in message | |
| 21:42 | so people are notified when things are checked in | |
| 21:42 | yeah they'd get two, but they'd not have a reason to complain | |
| 21:42 | misilot | other then getting two emails :P |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | yeah, idk what's worse ^.^ |
| 21:43 | misilot | it is something to discuss I guess with administration as an idea if the complaining gets to be too much |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | *nod* patron confidence is important |
| 21:43 | for me, yeah I'd feel weird if a book I'd checked out a week ago and returned suddenly sent me a notice | |
| 21:43 | but if I got a checkout, immediately followed by a checkin, that might seem less weird. | |
| 21:43 | Xellos | just put a filter on the outgoing mail server |
| 21:44 | misilot | Xellos: don't control the mail server |
| 21:44 | Xellos | sry, I'm an IT person. I generally control the mail services |
| 21:45 | misilot | Xellos: IT person as well, though for the library systems. We let Campus IT manage the mail servers and other core systems |
| 21:45 | Xellos | ah ic |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | checkin/checkout notices are especially important to borrowers if a mistake could incur an annoying fine or fee. |
| 21:47 | because they are almost certainly going to call you up and ask what's up if they're going to get a fine if the library made a mistake | |
| 21:47 | and they won't let you forget it. | |
| 21:47 | if you do. | |
| 21:48 | misilot | amazingly they don't seem to call us when we charge them $1000 |
| 21:48 | Xellos | ha |
| 21:48 | cait joined #koha | |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | they probably know they deserve it >.> |
| 21:48 | misilot | very true |
| 21:48 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | https://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ |
| 21:49 | Xellos | great job all powerful admin |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | you reminded me :) |
| 21:50 | Xellos | it looks a lot better |
| 21:56 | kidclamp | wizzyrea, I found it! http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13992 |
| 21:56 | huginn` | 04Bug 13992: normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, CLOSED FIXED, Software error in reports if field or table does not exist |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 21:56 | Doesn't apply on 3.18.x please rebase if you think it is needed | |
| 21:56 | :) | |
| 21:57 | excellent bug sleuthing | |
| 21:57 | it might be a simple rebase, you just never know. | |
| 21:57 | I can't prioritise it though >.< | |
| 21:57 | kidclamp | that's barton's problem :-) |
| 21:58 | his ticket :-D | |
| 21:58 | magnuse joined #koha | |
| 21:58 | barton | kidclamp: yes, prioritization is a huge problem for me. ;-) |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | ah, if you want it, you should open it up again |
| 21:59 | "hi, I want this for 3.18 someone helllllp" | |
| 21:59 | you can add me as a cc as well | |
| 21:59 | so I see it | |
| 22:00 | irc regulars? | |
| 22:00 | wahanui | hmmm... irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 22:02 | Xellos | yup, you are officially a regular |
| 22:03 | barton | iirc, IRC_Regulars still shows Ian Walls as part of Bywater Solutions... and there are a number of regulars who are missing. |
| 22:04 | *hint* *hint* ... add yourself to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars if you haven't done so already :-) | |
| 22:04 | Xellos | yeah, it's a frekin' wiki |
| 22:04 | * kidclamp | still testing this nick, will remain wnickc in the list for the moment |
| 22:05 | Xellos | also log files for IRC here http://irc.koha-community.org/koha |
| 22:06 | and it looks like wizzyrea went to sleep at 3:30-4:00 AM this morning lol | |
| 22:06 | barton | Oh, by the way, searching for bug numbers in the IRC log is an awesome way to find information. |
| 22:08 | Xellos | since we're posting links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOkF-TnSICs this is my electric car test ride |
| 22:09 | kinda old now, will do another video sometime soon | |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | that kind of depends on where you are :) |
| 22:20 | * wizzyrea | has been annoying #koha since 2008 |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | that should be my byline. |
| 22:20 | Wizzyrea: annoying #koha since 2008 (tm) | |
| 22:22 | ah I hadn't thought about sekjal in ages | |
| 22:22 | wonder how he's doing | |
| 22:24 | Xellos | any way to contact him? |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | it's 2015, I sure hope so. :) |
| 22:25 | Xellos | http://klear.com/profile/sekjal |
| 22:25 | i think this is him prob | |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | magic global network that connects all people? (check) |
| 22:26 | enough identifying information to find one person out of all of them? (check) | |
| 22:26 | barton | it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the universe together... |
| 22:27 | francesca joined #koha | |
| 22:27 | Xellos | It's the closest thing to magic i've found |
| 22:27 | that and the magical ponies in my closet | |
| 22:28 | it's my magical escape | |
| 22:41 | dac | I wonder what the protocol is for taking other people off the wiki |
| 22:41 | Oh, that's not me | |
| 22:42 | dcook | I was actually thinking this morning about how one might teach a child about Wikipedia and accessing information critically on the Internet... |
| 22:42 | * francesca | waves at dcook |
| 22:42 | dcook | hey francesca |
| 22:42 | wahanui | a defender of bots rights till the end of time |
| 22:42 | dcook | You should put yourself on the wiki too :p |
| 22:42 | francesca | why should I put myself on the wiki? |
| 22:42 | dcook | You're a regular! |
| 22:42 | pianohacker | hey francesca: out of curiosity, what are your feelings on the Hanon piano exercises (if you're familiar with them)? |
| 22:42 | francesca | wahanui: forget me |
| 22:42 | wahanui | francesca, I didn't have anything matching me |
| 22:43 | francesca | pianohacker: not sure not familiar with them |
| 22:43 | wahanui forget francesca | |
| 22:43 | wahanui | francesca: I forgot francesca |
| 22:43 | dcook | pianohacker: They're what's wrong with the world today! |
| 22:43 | * dcook | hasn't done anything piano related in over 20 years |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | heh, thanks y'all |
| 22:45 | bbl | |
| 22:48 | dcook | Hmm to read listserv or not to read listserv... that is the question.. |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | ah yeah there's nothing really bad today. :) |
| 22:48 | just skip over that one guy's messages and you'll be rage-free | |
| 22:48 | dcook | I must've missed the bad stuff then as I don't see it in my inbox |
| 22:48 | Sometimes I do skip over emails O_O | |
| 22:48 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 22:48 | * dcook | likes being rage-free |
| 22:48 | * francesca | as well |
| 22:49 | dcook | Oh, I met up with cjh last night |
| 22:49 | Now wizzyrea is the only Catalyst/former Catalyst person I need to meet! | |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | oh did you hook up with cjh? |
| 22:49 | \o/ | |
| 22:49 | lol, reading fail. | |
| 22:50 | :) | |
| 22:50 | * wizzyrea | hopes he's brilliantly happy |
| 22:50 | dcook | He seemed in a good mood :) |
| 22:50 | Actually, he's one of the few people I've encountered in Sydney who laughed while getting soaked in a storm ;) | |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | he's a wellingtonian. it's reflex. |
| 22:50 | dcook | haha |
| 22:50 | It was good. Lots of Sydneysiders seem to think they'll melt in the rain | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | you have to laugh in the rain, otherwise you'd be grumpy all the time. |
| 22:51 | francesca | hahaha |
| 22:51 | seriosuly? | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | this doesn't surprise me, tbh. |
| 22:51 | spoiled by good weather, they are. | |
| 22:51 | francesca | indeed |
| 22:51 | dcook | @wunder syd |
| 22:51 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (9:30 AM AEDT on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:51 | francesca | though we havent had a bad week as far as wellington standards go |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | @wunder nzwn |
| 22:51 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | no, it's been ok this week :) |
| 22:51 | chrisvella joined #koha | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | well, awesome really. little chilly yesterday |
| 22:52 | gfdi stop being so entertaining I have patches to push! | |
| 22:52 | francesca | nice enough that the cats dont come in till about 10pm at night |
| 22:52 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:52 | Yeah, I need to minimize this window | |
| 22:57 | jamesb joined #koha | |
| 23:05 | janPasi__ joined #koha | |
| 23:17 | dcook | I never thought about people saying "Zee 39.50" instead of "Zed 39.50". I guess it's good that I went from Canada to Australia :p |
| 23:18 | wizzyrea | man I catch myself on that one all the time. |
| 23:18 | but zed sounds nicer, tbh | |
| 23:20 | dcook | zed totally sounds nicer |
| 23:20 | Man... looking at that MarcEdit post | |
| 23:21 | I tried to integrate MarcEdit and Koha ages ago and it didn't work | |
| 23:21 | Trying it again now and MarcEdit is just freaking out at me | |
| 23:21 | Maybe I'm just doing it wrong but errors coming out of everywhere.. | |
| 23:22 | rocio left #koha | |
| 23:22 | dcook | Silent errors now.. |
| 23:23 | JoshB left #koha | |
| 23:23 | dcook | Error Message: Undefined authorization error |
| 23:23 | Errr | |
| 23:24 | Ah, there we go | |
| 23:24 | It was a URL error.. | |
| 23:25 | Whatever.. | |
| 23:25 | wahanui | and ever, amen. |
| 23:26 | dcook | Yikes this default MARC record is baaad |
| 23:28 | Was able to create a record but not update it.. | |
| 23:30 | Oh my... and I just got MarcEdit to crash.. | |
| 23:32 | janPasi__ joined #koha | |
| 23:38 | dcook | So this is the C# API for MarcEdit-Koha integration... https://github.com/reeset/koha[…]pi/Bib_Actions.cs |
| 23:39 | But it doesn't actually say which field/subfield it's using to get the ID... | |
| 23:39 | Although this is probably my first time reading C# so.. | |
| 23:41 | Oh maybe there is something in the forms.. | |
| 23:41 | Also never worked with desktop GUIs.. | |
| 23:41 | https://github.com/reeset/koha[…]ence_app/Form1.cs | |
| 23:41 | 999$d? | |
| 23:42 | Looks like something hard-coded to ID 1... | |
| 23:42 | I assume that's just an example app.. | |
| 23:44 | Ah perhaps I'm screwing up the MarcEdit format.. | |
| 23:44 | Indeed... that was it | |
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| 23:56 | dcook | Huh... apparently you can download YAZ for Windows |
| 23:56 | That's neat | |
| 23:59 | Let's see if I can remember how to read iptables.. |
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