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Time | Nick | Message |
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00:44 | wizzyrea | @marc 590 |
00:44 | huginn | wizzyrea: unknown tag 590 |
00:44 | wizzyrea | ORLY. |
00:48 | jcamins | wahanui: @marc 590 is private note, usually equivalent to an institution-specific 500 note. |
00:48 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
00:49 | wizzyrea | we don't even have it in our frameworks, it's obsolete :P |
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00:51 | tcohen | hi |
00:51 | wahanui | what's up, tcohen |
00:51 | wizzyrea | hi tcohen |
00:51 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
00:51 | eythian | tcohen: what's the bug that goes with that thing you want me to package? |
00:51 | I'm going to try to do it today | |
00:52 | tcohen | it is a side effect of the decision to rely on DBIC to handle the DB handle |
00:52 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no it's not. it's a private field. |
00:52 | tcohen | hi jcamins! |
00:52 | eythian: it is related to bug 14778 | |
00:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14778 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIC should create/own the DB handler |
00:52 | eythian | ta |
00:53 | jcamins | Which isn't to say that using it isn't in terribly poor taste. It's just not obsolete. |
00:53 | tcohen | we need to get rid of DBI::Mock |
00:53 | jcamins | :) |
00:53 | tcohen: hello! | |
00:53 | wizzyrea | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd59x.html < says obsolete, and is local use. |
00:53 | tcohen | jcamins: remember for them is monday morning |
00:53 | don't be rude | |
00:53 | eythian | tcohen: afternoon already :) |
00:53 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
00:54 | * tcohen | misses unity's dropdown calendar |
00:55 | tcohen | with all timezones I need |
00:55 | wizzyrea | ALL OF THEM. |
00:55 | :) | |
00:55 | koha development never sleeps. | |
00:56 | tcohen | for me is "europe", "kyle's" and "kiwis" |
00:56 | heh | |
00:56 | wizzyrea | hehehe everything else is "sometime in between those" |
00:56 | tcohen | definitely |
00:56 | ntw, a guy who's been in nz recently | |
00:57 | told me kiwis is not a gentle way to refer to people? | |
00:57 | eythian | dunno where he went |
00:57 | it's perfectly fine | |
00:57 | * wizzyrea | defers to actual kiwis |
00:57 | tcohen | not wellington evidently |
00:57 | rangi | someone was probably making it up |
00:57 | eythian | or anywhere else I've lived :) |
00:57 | tcohen | ah, that's sure |
00:58 | rangi | messing with tourists is a past time |
00:58 | wizzyrea | (though I can't think of a single place I've been where people wouldn't have referred to themselves as "kiwis" |
00:58 | ) | |
00:58 | ^^^ | |
00:58 | eythian | it's true |
00:58 | wahanui | I read it on the internet! |
00:58 | tcohen | hehe |
00:58 | so my tweet about a global bug squashing week | |
00:58 | wizzyrea | yes tell us more. |
00:59 | eythian | https://www.reddit.com/r/newze[…]n_in_new_zealand/ <-- this is a classic example |
00:59 | tcohen | i've set a Trello board with bugs that *we* find important for the release |
00:59 | eythian | tcohen: I'm sure I've talked to you before about trello |
00:59 | tcohen | yeah, OpenBoard |
00:59 | hm, not, there was another one | |
01:00 | anyway | |
01:00 | eythian | I use taigo.io |
01:00 | tcohen | the point is try to do this week |
01:00 | eythian | err |
01:00 | taiga | |
01:00 | wizzyrea | taiga |
01:00 | tcohen | that we always talk about: working together (somehow) |
01:01 | we have a complicated starman-related bug, which I expect to tackle with a hangout session with dobrica and jonathan | |
01:01 | (we worked 3 hours on it with jonathan un-successfuly) | |
01:01 | and there are other things that can be problematic | |
01:01 | the point is trying to focus on that this week | |
01:01 | while the rest of the enh are pushed | |
01:02 | I've listed things, and Katrin added some too | |
01:02 | if you want/can do something about any of those, just put your name on it | |
01:02 | and ask for help if needed | |
01:02 | or peer review, whatever | |
01:02 | eythian | you're also assuming we're all on twitter, btw :) |
01:03 | tcohen | ah, of course |
01:03 | you all use trello and twitter | |
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01:03 | wizzyrea | taiga* |
01:03 | tcohen | i forgot to send an email about this |
01:03 | taiga.io | |
01:03 | damn | |
01:04 | yeah, there is a Koha Community project in Taiga too | |
01:04 | I just used what I had at hand | |
01:04 | anyway | |
01:05 | if you don't have a trello user, just pass me your email and I invite you to the board | |
01:05 | eythian | We were looking in to setting up a taiga instance for the community, not sure where it's at though. |
01:05 | tcohen: that's not exactly the point | |
01:05 | using proprietary software to manage free software is a bad idea. | |
01:06 | tcohen | https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/ |
01:06 | eythian: I know | |
01:06 | it is only for this week | |
01:06 | eythian | the taiga link doesn't work, btw |
01:06 | (permission denied) | |
01:07 | tcohen | I'm not sure taiga will work for a project like Koha |
01:07 | but, anyway | |
01:07 | eythian | dcook: I think I should have given that talk after all, recorded it, and posted it here :) |
01:07 | tcohen | I'm sure someone will make it work |
01:08 | i don't have the time to do it unfortunately | |
01:08 | i can't even manage people to fix their broken tests once jenkins alerts them :-D | |
01:08 | eythian | heh |
01:09 | * tcohen | didn't know Ian was born in cait's city |
01:09 | eythian | presumably there's not much difference between doing it in trello vs. taiga. They do similar things, aiui |
01:09 | which Ian? | |
01:10 | tcohen | eythian: taiga is way better, but it assumes you are a team |
01:10 | well, nevermind didn't want to discuss the proposed workflows for each tool | |
01:10 | eythian: Debrah's boyfriend? | |
01:11 | eythian | who is Debrah? |
01:11 | rangi | from debian eythian |
01:11 | eythian | oh right |
01:11 | tcohen | Ian Murdock |
01:11 | wizzyrea | I always feel a bit bad for them |
01:12 | tcohen | Ian Murdock, Katrin Fischer, that's an important city! |
01:12 | wizzyrea | though, I suppose it's nice that a part of what you created together outlived your togetherness? |
01:12 | (kind of like having kids, really.) | |
01:13 | cait | huh? |
01:13 | wizzyrea | debian named for "debrah" and "Ian" and I guess they broke up? |
01:13 | tcohen | wizzyrea: they did |
01:14 | cait: don't you ever sleep? | |
01:14 | wizzyrea | cait: go to bed |
01:14 | :) | |
01:14 | tcohen | cait: I've just noticed the Debian creator was born in Konstanz |
01:16 | from the bug list, we really need help on Bug 15030 | |
01:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15030 blocker, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Certain values in serials' items are lost on next edit |
01:16 | tcohen | sorry |
01:16 | not that one :-D | |
01:16 | bug 15032 | |
01:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import |
01:17 | cait | tcohen: ah strange :) I wasn't born here tho |
01:17 | tcohen | we reproduced it, consistently, in kohadevbox |
01:17 | might be related to a starman bug, an integration problem (the passed options for starman in koha-plack scripts) | |
01:18 | the import "works" | |
01:19 | and warn'ing the respose on each background-job.pl call (from the UI) shows good data | |
01:19 | but there is an "Internal server error" on the last call | |
01:19 | and we have no clue | |
01:20 | and fear it could have consequences on another pieces of Koha | |
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01:36 | tcohen | we should put libreboard in board.koha-community.org |
01:36 | and solve the authentication integration challenge | |
01:36 | and that'd work for all of us I think | |
01:40 | bye | |
01:42 | eythian | https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/92 <-- erk, libreboard actually took trello's css and checked it in to their git. That's crossing a wrong line, imo. |
01:45 | rangi | i still like taiga better anyway |
01:46 | * dcook | starts reading the scrollback |
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01:53 | dcook | eythian: You should've totally done that talk, recorded it, and pasted it here :p |
01:53 | eythian | I shoulda |
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03:56 | wizzyrea | annoying thing: documentation says "this is optional" when optional step supports core functionality. |
03:56 | silly. | |
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06:24 | balvis | how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file? |
06:28 | * balvis | slaps Oak around a bit with a large fishbot |
06:28 | Oak | how rude. |
06:29 | balvis | sorry.wrongly clicked |
06:29 | Oak | :) |
06:30 | balvis | how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file? |
06:31 | Oak | in Koha? you imported an sql file directly in the database? |
06:31 | balvis | yes. using $ mysql -uroot -p books < koha.sql command |
06:35 | Oak | never tried it. may be use the verbose mode http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]ion_mysql_verbose |
06:37 | by 'record's if you mean book records (and book items) then I think one should be doing this http://manual.koha-community.o[…]en/stagemarc.html | |
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07:02 | Oak | magnuse |
07:13 | magnuse | Oak |
07:13 | \o/ | |
07:13 | Oak | \o/ |
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07:42 | reiveune | hello |
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07:55 | alex_a | bonjour |
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08:12 | gaetan_B | hello |
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08:37 | mveron | Hi again #koha |
08:37 | Trello? | |
08:37 | wahanui | Trello is, like, great for this sort of thing |
08:38 | mveron | wahanui ++ :-) |
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08:56 | magnuse | @wuner boo |
08:56 | huginn | magnuse: downloading the Perl source |
08:56 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
08:56 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
08:56 | magnuse | yay |
08:59 | mveron | @wunder Allschwil |
08:59 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). |
09:02 | * mveron | counts: Still 8 C4::Dates removal bugs left to sign-off for finally having Bug 12072 |
09:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy |
09:09 | paul_p | rangi = I'm very happy for NZ & all Blacks. (and not very happy with the lack of "french flair" we had during this RWC :\ ) |
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09:30 | magnuse | ooh, book about Dancer on kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/pr[…]2/perldancer-book |
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09:53 | drojf | hi #koha |
09:54 | magnuse | moin drojf |
09:55 | drojf | hei magnuse |
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10:00 | atheia | |
10:00 | [Fri Oct 30 2015] | |
10:00 | *** You have joined channel #koha [11:33] | |
10:00 | *** Topic for #koha: Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | |
10:00 | | Code of conduct - | |
10:00 | http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use | |
10:00 | http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha | |
10:00 | is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
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10:01 | <Francesca> happy (almost) halloween #koha, I decorated: | |
10:01 | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ [11:43] | |
10:01 | <cait> very pretty :) [11:51] | |
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10:02 | <drojf> hi #koha | |
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10:02 | barton [12:29] | |
10:02 | <drojf> huh what happened to bz? :D [12:30] | |
10:02 | <drojf> heh, and we got a halloween dashboard, awesome! [12:34] | |
10:02 | <drojf> rangi++ | |
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10:02 | <cdickinson> drojf: Francesca reskinned it and rangi pushed it up this morning | |
10:02 | cdickinson | someone make it stop |
10:02 | atheia | [12:37] |
10:02 | <drojf> Francesca++ [12:40] | |
10:02 | <liw> Francesca++ [12:41] | |
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10:02 | <Joubu> mveron-away: the problem on bug 15087 makes me nervous [12:57] | |
10:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15087 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL |
10:02 | atheia | <huginn> Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15087 |
10:02 | critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix | |
10:02 | huginn | 04Bug 15087: critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL |
10:03 | atheia | GetHardDueDate return value |
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10:03 | <magnuse> atheia: sorry, i was afk for a bit [13:09] | |
10:03 | <atheia> magnuse: No problem, let's chat now. [13:15] | |
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10:40 | mveron | Hi again... |
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11:26 | Traumatan | hello koha-people, I recently suffer a lot trying to got our sip server working. Can anybody point me to a ressource which explains setting it up and the error codes? |
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11:52 | drojf | why are SRU servers hardcoded to biblio search? |
12:10 | magnuse | because its more fun that way? |
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12:27 | tcohen | hi |
12:27 | wahanui | que tal, tcohen |
12:29 | magnuse | kia ora tcohen |
12:30 | drojf | magnuse: not if i want to use it for authority data? :P |
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12:31 | barton | morning #koha! |
12:33 | magnuse | ok, maybe not more fun, but more interesting |
12:35 | barton | I have a library that has imported a bunch of marc records with humongous 500$a subfields (there are about 80 records with 500 tags exceeding 10 000 bytes). This is causing a full zebra re-index to fail. What's the maximum size for 500$a? (or perhaps, more generally, the maximum size for a marc subfield?) |
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12:37 | tcohen | barton, are you reindexing with -x? |
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12:38 | barton | tcohen, let me see... |
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13:06 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
13:09 | nengard | hola mt |
13:09 | or :) | |
13:09 | hola mtompset | |
13:10 | mtompset | nengard: That's quite a few greetings. Are you a robot today? :) |
13:10 | nengard | No, I'm a tired person who can't type :) |
13:11 | xarragon | Hmm, where can I find tarballs of translations? |
13:11 | I found the raw .po files.. | |
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13:23 | magnuse | xarragon: the files are on pootle, you can download .zip, not sure about .tar |
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13:34 | xarragon | magnuse: I just need something that the installer can handle, alternatively just manually copy it into position, |
13:36 | Hm, seems like you can actually just download the PO files put it into 'translator/po'. | |
13:38 | mtompset | nengard: A tired person is a robot. ;) |
13:39 | tired person? | |
13:39 | wahanui | it has been said that tired person is a robot. ;) |
13:39 | mtompset | wahanui forget tired person |
13:39 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot tired person |
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13:41 | xarragon | Hmm, another "translation installer" script? tmpl_process3.pl? |
13:42 | Ah, for older versions I guess. | |
13:42 | Ah, and the .po files is what I am supposed to feed em, not the archive. Then I am all set. | |
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13:46 | magnuse | xarragon: yeah, you can just use the .po files |
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14:02 | xarragon | magnuse: Hm, seems like I have a bunch of .po's in my gitified install already |
14:02 | magnuse: Under '/var/koha/Koha/misc/translator/po' | |
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14:04 | xarragon | magnuse: Ah, which is actually said on the wiki as well. |
14:11 | Well, installing additional languages was ridiculusly easy it turned out. | |
14:11 | Props to Koha | |
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14:20 | tcohen | mtompset++ |
14:20 | first one to assign himself a bug | |
14:21 | mtompset | Ah. |
14:21 | tcohen: Is there a way to format a date in the Template and NOT the perl code? | |
14:21 | tcohen | $KohaDate |
14:22 | mtompset: have you filled a bug for kohadevbox:ansible to run on windows? | |
14:22 | mtompset | No. |
14:22 | Like I said... I'm not touching plack. | |
14:22 | Too hard. | |
14:22 | Head pounding with sinus headache. | |
14:22 | Too much else to do. :) | |
14:23 | tcohen | mtompset: it is not plack-only |
14:23 | anyway: [% USE KohaDates %] and then [% value | $KohaDates %] | |
14:25 | mtompset | I'm not touching kohadevbox (it's plack in my mind) |
14:26 | tcohen | it is not plack: it is having a clean env for working on Koha. It is not mandatory, though. Only comfortable |
14:28 | mtompset | plack is the only reason I looked at it. ;) |
14:30 | tcohen | ok, kohadebbox == plack, got it :-P |
14:42 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14773: Move help link back out of the dropdown menu <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f80dbb5f68b8fa925> / Bug 15073: Move FeeOnChangePatronCategory <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d098d256830408314> / Bug 15090: Fix date filter for Suggestions management <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=koha.git;a=commi |
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15:44 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10904: DBRev 3.21.00.047 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]14674fc856fad7084> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) Use branch limit if either IndependentBranches or Independen... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b6461e36d4db59454> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) would like to limit patron update request management by... <http:/ |
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15:46 | wilfrid | salut tout le monde |
15:47 | mtompset | Bonjour, wilfrid. :) |
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16:05 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14978: DBRev 3.21.00.048 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0e2aa6d56beb03066> / Bug 14978: Add unique key constraint on issues.itemnumber <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ca52ccbb37902d43c> / Bug 14589: Adjust authorities_merge_ajax and replace some indirect syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.gi |
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16:11 | xarragon | Hmm, when I install languages it seems like the template files are.. copied from en and written to new files? |
16:12 | 'en' being the default language.. Because now i all of a sudden have multiple copies of my new template file I was working on, which was a bit confusing. | |
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16:38 | reiveune | bye |
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16:43 | nengard_cafe | I might alone in this, but this one http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master |
16:43 | huginn | 04Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed |
16:43 | nengard_cafe | and I'm not sure how to fix it |
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17:14 | mtompset | @later tell tcohen sudo apt-get install linux-headers* -- back to failed ansible. |
17:14 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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17:18 | mveron-away | Good evening or daytime #koha |
17:18 | nengard_cafe | @later tell tcohen I might alone in this, but this one http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master |
17:18 | huginn | nengard_cafe: The operation succeeded. |
17:18 | 04Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed | |
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18:40 | magnuse | xarragon: right you are running something like "koha-translate -i nb-NO" creates a new set of translated templates |
18:40 | s/are/are\./ | |
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18:44 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu please check 5b521eb394771ee305777f0b44098be5fdd11cc7 broke t/db_dependent/Barcodes.t |
18:44 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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19:35 | * cait | waves |
19:35 | * wnickc | waves |
19:39 | * nengard | waves |
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19:42 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
19:42 | tcohen: I'm back. :) | |
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19:46 | rangi | morning |
19:46 | nengard | afternoon :) |
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19:57 | cait | evening |
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20:13 | wizzyrea | @later tell tcohen I have something for you to play with at taiga.koha-community.org, if you ever have a minute ever again. :) |
20:13 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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20:21 | mveron | mtompset ++ for commenting on Bug 14946 |
20:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files acqui/*.pl |
20:21 | mtompset | Thanks. |
20:22 | Ah, you have an update. | |
20:22 | I'll look at it later. :) | |
20:22 | mveron | Great :-) |
20:42 | nengard: Thanks for testing Bug 14948 :-) - I re-tested and I could not reproduce your issue (after a full browser reload). | |
20:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Display amounts right aligned in tables on patron pages |
20:43 | nengard | maybe it was a cache issue - let me try again |
20:43 | mveron | Thanks :-) |
20:47 | nengard | mveron signed off :) |
20:47 | sorry about that | |
20:48 | mveron | nengard: No problem :-) Thanks for signing off. |
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21:05 | pianohacker | hi |
21:05 | wahanui | hola, pianohacker |
21:05 | pianohacker | hi |
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21:15 | eythian | hi |
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21:17 | eythian | no wahanui, trello is frowned upon. |
21:17 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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21:26 | wizzyrea | hm, is there a reason not to have the daemon be the default real time index update method? |
21:27 | pianohacker | rumor in these parts is that it used to be buggy, may be better now |
21:28 | wizzyrea | did "these parts" file a bug for the issues? |
21:28 | cait | i think that is the old daemon |
21:28 | pianohacker thinks about | |
21:28 | not the new one | |
21:29 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: not sure :) |
21:29 | cait | and... ignore me if i don't make sense :) long day here |
21:29 | pianohacker | potato potato potato |
21:30 | rangi | i haven't heard any issues with the new daemon, it used to be hard to install, but now it's packaged, not a problem |
21:30 | eythian | what's the third one? |
21:30 | wahanui | i heard the third one was opaque.. did you miss out streetaddress because it should be deleted.. or because you forgot to set it |
21:35 | wizzyrea | just wondering if we should switch fully over to it |
21:35 | for new installs. | |
21:36 | pianohacker | good way to work out any remaining bugs |
21:36 | rangi | i think it will become the default at some point |
21:36 | prolly 3.24 | |
21:38 | nengard | maybe 3.24 can be 4.0? this numbers is getting silly |
21:38 | I had someone tell me they were on 3.2 the other day | |
21:38 | wizzyrea | no 4. |
21:38 | nengard | meaning 3.20 |
21:38 | why not 4 wizzyrea | |
21:38 | wizzyrea | 4 is confusing for people who use not-koha |
21:39 | nengard | then 24 |
21:39 | I don't care as long as it's not 3.xx anymore | |
21:39 | I'm not picky about what it is as long as it's no 3.xx | |
21:39 | :) | |
21:39 | * eythian | is sorta pro dated releases, but it gets tricky having multiple release streams |
21:40 | pianohacker | we could always just rename Koha to C4 and start a new set of versions |
21:40 | nengard | Cute names like debian or android |
21:40 | we can go with ice cream flavors :) hehe | |
21:40 | pianohacker | I would love named versions! |
21:40 | nengard | hush pianohacker |
21:40 | to the c4 thing | |
21:40 | not the named thing | |
21:40 | hehe | |
21:40 | rangi | that only works for the major version |
21:40 | nengard | true |
21:40 | i go back to numbers | |
21:41 | just not 3.x numbers :) hehe | |
21:41 | pianohacker | koha rocky road point 4 |
21:41 | nengard | LOL |
21:41 | koha mint chip 5 | |
21:41 | rangi | and we do about 18 times as many minor versions as we do major versions |
21:41 | for every release | |
21:42 | pianohacker | chrome/firefox style versioning? |
21:42 | eythian | tbh, people are going to get confused about version numbers no matter what |
21:42 | pianohacker | aka delete the major version |
21:42 | wizzyrea | 16.5 (for y16m5) and 16.11 (for y16m11) for may and novermber releases |
21:42 | nengard | oooo |
21:43 | wizzyrea | novermber |
21:43 | that is not fight | |
21:43 | nengard | meme |
21:43 | hehe | |
21:43 | pianohacker | yeah, eythian, but we have the option of switching before we get as far as linux 2 did :) |
21:43 | wizzyrea | nor right. |
21:43 | nengard | neither of us can type |
21:43 | eythian | wizzyrea: you'll have to adapt that for minors, but that's perhaps not a biggie |
21:43 | wizzyrea | add a 3rd number? |
21:44 | pianohacker | 3.24.0.9.6.2 |
21:44 | wizzyrea | start minors at 0, like we do now is what I'd do if it were me and I had decided to use that scheme. |
21:44 | pianohacker | windows style versioning |
21:44 | wizzyrea | it's not me. and we'll never decide. |
21:44 | ^.^ | |
21:44 | rangi | rm just changes the number |
21:44 | easiest way | |
21:44 | wahanui | rumour has it easiest way is probably to reload the MARC frameworks |
21:45 | rangi | there is no need to have a vote on it |
21:45 | wizzyrea | agreedf. |
21:45 | good lord what is wrong with my fingers today | |
21:45 | rangi | ultimately its about the least important thing |
21:45 | cait | would date based be like for ubuntu? |
21:46 | wizzyrea | it would be like ubuntu, and mahara |
21:46 | and probably heaps others. | |
21:46 | cait | hm sounds okto me |
21:46 | wizzyrea | @later tell francesca I like the green on bugzilla it's cheerful :) |
21:46 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
21:48 | mveron | Good night / daytime #koha |
21:48 | misilot | we should use semver :) |
21:48 | http://semver.org/ | |
21:49 | eythian | misilot: what defines an API on a product that's primarily used by people? |
21:50 | > Software using Semantic Versioning MUST declare a public API. This API could be declared in the code itself or exist strictly in documentation. However it is done, it should be precise and comprehensive. | |
21:50 | that would be ... difficult | |
21:50 | misilot | eythian: maybe. unfortunately i have to run to class |
21:51 | wizzyrea | partly we haven't made any changes that feel monumental enough to change our major version |
21:51 | surely we've made lots of changes | |
21:51 | elasticsearch would be a good one | |
21:51 | cait | i think theproblem with 4... is that someone else has used those |
21:52 | wizzyrea | oh we're not going to use 4 |
21:52 | 4 is right out. | |
21:52 | better to skip to something outrageous like the year :) | |
21:52 | cait | yah |
21:53 | eythian | though, I haven't seen anyone asking about a 4 for a while. |
21:54 | wizzyrea | it is I think going the way of the dodo |
21:54 | eythian | skipping it is still nicer, as it'll reduce the chance of people thinking that that is the latest version because of someone else playing silly buggers with numbers. |
21:54 | wizzyrea | "in the game of things-that-are-not-koha survivor, real koha always outlasts." |
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22:20 | pianohacker | the whole API discussion for semver seems much more tuned to libraries (.so's) than end-user software |
22:21 | eythian | yeah |
22:21 | that's my impression too | |
22:22 | pianohacker | and the sort of things that would make us bump a major are much more along the lines of features / new ways of doing things (elastic, pg support, etc.) than API changes |
22:24 | rangi | i reckon date is the easiest |
22:24 | and it makes the point | |
22:24 | you're running old shit | |
22:24 | wizzyrea | yeah |
22:24 | rangi | which numbers don't seem to convey |
22:24 | * cait | agrees and goes to sleep |
22:24 | wizzyrea | that's what I like about it you can immediately say "that's 2 years old" |
22:25 | rangi | yep |
22:25 | dcook | true true |
22:27 | * dcook | wondered about the not-Koha 4 thing |
22:27 | rangi | its gone |
22:28 | give it a year or 2 to fade, but its bloviation now | |
22:28 | to bloviate : talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way. | |
22:28 | fits well | |
22:28 | wizzyrea | keeke |
22:31 | eythian | http://downforeveryoneorjustme[…]//www.liblime.com <-- can't look up the actual name |
22:31 | cait | huh |
22:31 | eythian | oh, it's just really slow |
22:31 | rangi | that site hasnt been updated in months, maybe years |
22:31 | cait | i can't get to it |
22:31 | nor the other.... k.org | |
22:32 | rangi | its all over at the main site, which doesnt even list koha anymore |
22:32 | pianohacker | koha.org still is up, and was recently renewed unfortunately :/ |
22:32 | was due to expire end of next month | |
22:32 | rangi | yep, they will keep it out of spite im sure |
22:32 | cait | hm might be something with the hotel wifi |
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22:32 | rangi | just no longer working on the software |
22:33 | eythian | oh, it's probably on autorenew |
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22:37 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
22:37 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on November 03, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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22:58 | dcook | Ah, so they re-named all their stuff |
22:58 | rangi | yup |
22:58 | dcook | Awesome |
22:58 | Interesting that the URL says kohalibrary, of course | |
22:59 | I see what you mean about a few years though | |
22:59 | eythian | they still talk about koha on some of their sites |
22:59 | it's not been a very complete renaming | |
23:00 | dcook | I imagine they might have to keep Koha as a name for a little while |
23:00 | rangi | most of those dont seem to have been updated in months/years |
23:00 | they have quotes from people who arent even their customers anymore | |
23:00 | dcook | I think there were some from last month |
23:00 | eythian | yeah, they probably have forgotten about them |
23:00 | they had a user's group a few days ago though | |
23:01 | rangi | if you look at the pdf on their main site, you'll see that they have moved are moving things to bloviation |
23:01 | eythian | where they showed a preview of EDS integration :) |
23:01 | rangi | (the list of clients using it) |
23:01 | eythian | oh, the users group is coming up next week. |
23:01 | someone should register to attend by teleconference :D | |
23:02 | oh, their CMS is called "knowvation." Now I see their theme. | |
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23:02 | eythian | that's also an awkward sounding name |
23:11 | Francesca | hey eythian you're back! |
23:11 | eythian | and better than ever. |
23:11 | Francesca | how was wherever you were? |
23:12 | eythian | Hobart and Sydney. They were pretty good. |
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