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| 01:13 | wizzyrea | eythian: are there any problems with adding a dependency for Math::Random::Secure - I'm looking at bug 8753 |
| 01:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
| 01:13 | wizzyrea | (for the packages) |
| 01:13 | (at your leisure, of course) | |
| 01:13 | eythian | hmm, have a look at how the salt is generated in Koha::Auth |
| 01:13 | that might have a way of doing what you need. | |
| 01:13 | wizzyrea | that is an excellent point |
| 01:17 | eythian | if that isn't feasible, then we can add it, though it'd have to be packaged. |
| 01:17 | I don't see any reason why it'd be hard to package though | |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | right, I couldn't find a package for it I assumed it'd have to be packaged |
| 01:17 | (by us) | |
| 01:18 | I think it's a bit silly to add one when we might have a thing to do it already. | |
| 01:18 | eythian | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 01:18 | TGoat left #koha | |
| 01:19 | mtj | hey wizzyrea, eythian.. offtopic Q here.. |
| 01:19 | have y'all ever tethered your laptops to an android fone? | |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 01:19 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:20 | mtj | ..via usb cable? |
| 01:20 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:20 | wizzyrea | not me no, I usually set up a secure access point on my phone and just use wifi. |
| 01:20 | eythian | I've done the USB thing a fair bit |
| 01:20 | wizzyrea | (lollipop has this feature, I think) |
| 01:21 | eythian | it's had it going back forever |
| 01:21 | mtj | sweet, ive been meaning to attempt it for a while |
| 01:21 | eythian | I think froyo had it |
| 01:21 | wizzyrea | I meant the portable hotspot feature |
| 01:21 | mtj | i've only got a kitkat fone... |
| 01:21 | eythian | that's definitely been around for ages too |
| 01:22 | mtj: that's why I'm saying they're really old features. | |
| 01:22 | wizzyrea | then I am sure that my crappy samsung didn't enable it |
| 01:22 | Francesca | oh mtj what phone do you have? |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | because I don't remember seeing it until I had stock :( |
| 01:23 | mtj | Francesca: ...erm, a ... hum.. elephone p8 -> http://www.devicespecification[…]en/model/7c862b54 |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | (that's more an indictment of my choice of phone) |
| 01:24 | eythian | it may have been restricted for some reason, perhaps hardware couldn't do it. But I remember once being surprised to find iphones couldn't do it, so that was a while ago. |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | iphones could almost certainly do it, just apple didn't want you to :P |
| 01:24 | Francesca | if you have a look under network settings there might be an option for portable hotpost/ usb tethering |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | well and in the US, ATT didn't want you to. |
| 01:25 | eythian | ah yeah, the carriers here don't care |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | ^ assholes, ATT |
| 01:26 | dcook | Hmm don't know if I've heard of the usb tethering.. |
| 01:26 | mtj | Francesca: , yep i see the option , ta |
| 01:26 | wizzyrea | actually, this is probably why my phone(s) were missing the feature. |
| 01:27 | Francesca | dcook: my old little s3 had a tethering option |
| 01:27 | dcook | I've used the wifi hotspot but not sure about the usb.. |
| 01:27 | Yep. Looks like it does. | |
| 01:27 | I've never done it, but that's neat. | |
| 01:27 | Wifi, usb, bluetooth | |
| 01:27 | mtj | i guess you can charge your phone via the usb, and just tether it via wifi too |
| 01:27 | dcook | Good memory, Francesca |
| 01:28 | Francesca | hahaha I only just replaced my s3 with an s5 so it was quite easy |
| 01:28 | also you can usually find these things if you go poking around in the settings | |
| 01:28 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:28 | mtj | ..so tether via usb or wifi really makes no difference |
| 01:28 | dcook | Poke all the settings! |
| 01:28 | Francesca | lol |
| 01:29 | dcook | mtj: Dunno. I guess if it's using USB, the computer might need a driver for it? |
| 01:30 | Whereas if it's Wifi, then it ain't no thing | |
| 01:30 | mtj | no difference, in that, if you have internet, you have internet |
| 01:31 | dcook | http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61670858.jpg |
| 01:31 | Francesca | awwww kitty |
| 01:32 | dcook | mtj: I'd assume so. |
| 01:36 | eythian | dcook: no, it's just ethernet over USB, no drivers needed. |
| 01:36 | but the most useful thing is that it can charge at the same time. | |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | ^ that is a useful thing |
| 01:36 | eythian | (assuming you don't have something else to plug it into while it does wifi) |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | like a computer? |
| 01:37 | >.> | |
| 01:37 | <.< | |
| 01:37 | Francesca | wahanui cats |
| 01:37 | wahanui | cats are endlessly entertaining. or cuddly and cute |
| 01:37 | eythian | well, like sticking it on a table near a plug :) |
| 01:37 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 01:38 | eythian | https://www.facebook.com/iScot[…]10207706696650031 <-- wizzyrea |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | Yes, all of that. |
| 01:46 | eythian++ good suggestion for the "there might be a thing to do that already" suggestion | |
| 01:47 | dcook | eythian: cool beans :) |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | it's ok for C4 modules to reference stuff in the Koha namespace right? just not the other way around? |
| 01:50 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | kewl |
| 01:54 | hrm, I don't think we would want to give away that "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " when resetting a password eh | |
| 01:55 | eythian | what's the scenario? |
| 01:55 | wahanui | i heard the scenario was a problematic patch across versions. |
| 01:55 | wizzyrea | to reset your password via email |
| 01:55 | you are asked to provide your username and email address | |
| 01:55 | it then sends you a mail | |
| 01:55 | eythian | hmm |
| 01:55 | I think it's OK, neither are secrets | |
| 01:55 | wizzyrea | if you provide only a valid username, it says "hey, the email you gave isn't associated with this account" |
| 01:55 | I feel like that's an invitation to bruteforcing though? | |
| 01:56 | eythian | also if you haven't used it for a long time, you might not know your registered email. |
| 01:56 | well, then we should have brute forcing protection. | |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | well, it won't let you do it without both |
| 01:56 | I think that's reasonable-ish | |
| 01:56 | eythian | right, but you have 5 emails and you don't know which one it is, how will you know if it worked? |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | you'll get an email :P |
| 01:56 | it will let you in, for one | |
| 01:56 | you'll get an email, for 2 | |
| 01:57 | eythian | OK, how will you know it was the wrong email? |
| 01:57 | wait, it lets you straight in? | |
| 01:57 | that seems bad | |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | no no |
| 01:57 | it sends the email if you provide correct email and user | |
| 01:57 | and then you click the link | |
| 01:57 | just like most web services | |
| 01:58 | dcook | No one seems to ever say "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " |
| 01:58 | eythian | well, many things just have you put your email in |
| 01:58 | because emails must be unique for them, but probably not for us | |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | right, ^ that |
| 01:58 | dcook | Ahh right |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | we have to have the combo because more than one user could have the same email |
| 01:58 | families, for instance | |
| 01:58 | where the kids have the parental email address | |
| 01:59 | in this case, you'd want to be sure you got the right user | |
| 01:59 | so yeah I think we do need both. | |
| 01:59 | and if you don't have both, you visit the library | |
| 01:59 | and let them do it | |
| 01:59 | dcook | Wait, what's a username? |
| 01:59 | The userid? | |
| 01:59 | wahanui | the userid is the OPAC login. Also the staff login if it's a staff account. |
| 02:00 | wizzyrea | unlike many websites, we do generally have a physical presence |
| 02:00 | yes, userid/login name | |
| 02:00 | not cardnumber | |
| 02:00 | not borrowernumber | |
| 02:01 | I think I like this message better: " | |
| 02:01 | No account was found with the provided information. | |
| 02:01 | Check if you typed it correctly. | |
| 02:01 | " | |
| 02:01 | which is what you get if you provide an invalid userid, but a valid email | |
| 02:02 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:02 | in that case, that's fine | |
| 02:02 | so they know to not expect an email. | |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | the bank, for example, won't tell you which of your username or password was wrong, if you do it wrong |
| 02:03 | eythian | but that's a password |
| 02:03 | that's a secret | |
| 02:04 | I suppose revealing the existance of a userid is not an ideal thing | |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | that's kind of my point, that's not exactly secret, but it might feel private? |
| 02:05 | dcook | Yeah, I don't like telling someone that there's no account |
| 02:05 | The existence of an account is a secret I think | |
| 02:05 | eythian | yeah, fair enough |
| 02:05 | dcook | You know someone's email address and you don't have access to it, but you can find out they have an account there |
| 02:05 | eythian | I hadn't looked from that direction |
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| 02:06 | dcook | Then you intimidate someone who works there into giving you info |
| 02:06 | mtj | so.. anyone about that has any experience with Koha and ICU? |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | ^ this is a pretty plausible scenario, I think |
| 02:06 | dcook | mtj: *twitches* |
| 02:06 | mtj: Yes, although I'm not sure how much time I have to speak about it. What's up? | |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | right I think I'll change the message to be consistent no matter how you mess up |
| 02:08 | mtj | dcook: i'm poking at a koha with mostly korean bibs, with "not great" search results |
| 02:09 | dcook | "not great"? |
| 02:09 | mtj | ..it currently has ICU support off - im experiemnting with enabling ICU to improve search results |
| 02:09 | dcook | Ahh |
| 02:09 | Yeah, yeah I suspect it would | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea: I'd use existing services as an example. I think Twitter's is quite good. | |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | *nod* I've already made some changes to make it more like existing service |
| 02:10 | you know what twitter does | |
| 02:10 | now | |
| 02:10 | dcook | Hmm.. |
| 02:10 | eythian | https://twitter.com/WgtnCC/sta[…]51573919393013760 <-- ahahah oh dear, someone didn't quite inform them of what things mean |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | they will detect you faffing about trying to log in |
| 02:10 | dcook | Twitter has actually changed theirs...I think it's worse now |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | and send you an email with a link "Log in now" |
| 02:11 | mtj | dcook, have you tweaked ICU for certain lanuages, or other? |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | ok please explain that, because I see everyone snerking but clearly there is some essential something I am missing |
| 02:11 | dcook | mtj: I think I tweaked ICU for Arabic a while back |
| 02:11 | Using Karam's example | |
| 02:11 | But I had a librarian who spoke English and Arabic to guide me | |
| 02:12 | eythian | wizzyrea: erm, use urban dictionary or something |
| 02:12 | dcook | wizzyrea: It took me a minute to check |
| 02:12 | Yes, urban dictionary | |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | oh dear. |
| 02:12 | dcook | It is the best for these situations |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | oh no. |
| 02:12 | lol. | |
| 02:12 | dcook | If I've learned anything in the past few years, it's never do anything publicly (well, I guess I'm not following my advice right now) and never ever ever be in charge of public PR |
| 02:12 | mtj | dcook: ok, thanks for the info |
| 02:12 | dcook | Because you'll always get it wrong |
| 02:13 | mtj: No worries | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | there is no way to fix that. |
| 02:13 | dcook | mtj: If you use yaz-client to troubleshoot it, that'll help |
| 02:13 | Admittedly, most of my ICU knowledge is around the tokenization and normalization due to that Zebra 2.0.59 bug.. | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | I have added something additional to my list of politically incorrect things that are giggleworthy but must never be used. |
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| 02:14 | dcook | mtj: You might also find some files out in the wild for Korean |
| 02:14 | By the wild, I mean the interwebs | |
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| 02:23 | tcohen | hi |
| 02:23 | dcook | yo tcohen |
| 02:24 | tcohen | hi dcook |
| 02:25 | dcook | how're things? |
| 02:28 | eythian | tcohen: did you get my email ages ago about that second build server? |
| 02:28 | tcohen | eythian: yes, thanks. I assumed you got a later from me |
| 02:28 | mtj | hi tcohen.. thanks for tidying up my 'koha::cache holidays' patch, very appreciated! |
| 02:28 | tcohen | but it is up, set and running |
| 02:29 | eythian | sweet, I didn't remember seeing a reply. I may have slept since then though. |
| 02:30 | mtj | hey dcook: do you remember how to define a ICU 'locale' ? |
| 02:30 | tcohen | mtj: no worries |
| 02:30 | mtj | Karam's guide mentions an 'ar' locale.. but i cant see where it is set? |
| 02:31 | dcook | Mmm I'm not sure the locale is actually used but let me check |
| 02:32 | mtj | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]of_Arabic_records |
| 02:33 | ..it seems one would add a 'ko' block to the words-icu.xml, to enable korean | |
| 02:33 | dcook | Looks like |
| 02:34 | mtj | but then.. how does one tell zebra/koha to *use* that 'ko' block? |
| 02:34 | dcook | I know, right? |
| 02:34 | No idea | |
| 02:34 | mtj | does it just happen automagically? |
| 02:34 | dcook | I was just thinking about that |
| 02:34 | It'll just use it | |
| 02:34 | But I wonder how you'd specify multiple different ones.. | |
| 02:37 | mtj | perhaps zebra auto-detects korean characters... and.. uses that definition? |
| 02:37 | * mtj | makes up some stuff.. |
| 02:37 | dcook | I think that would be giving it too much credit |
| 02:37 | mtj | http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/ko-KR/ |
| 02:37 | Francesca | massey uni has had a threat |
| 02:37 | dcook | Also your friend: http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale |
| 02:37 | Francesca | 3rd uni in 2 days |
| 02:37 | mtj | http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale |
| 02:37 | ah, snap ^ | |
| 02:37 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:38 | Looks like it might use the locale for stemming... https://github.com/nla/yaz/blo[…]ter/src/stemmer.c | |
| 02:38 | You could go through the yaz files to find an answer | |
| 02:39 | * dcook | recalls doing that once... |
| 02:39 | dcook | You could also email Adam. He's been pretty responsive to emails from Koha folk I think |
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| 02:42 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "may or may not be useful" (273 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/95 |
| 02:43 | dcook | The demo site is fun for playing |
| 02:44 | Yeah, I don't think there is a way to indicate the locale | |
| 02:45 | mtj: You're referring to the icu_chain.xml in default.idx | |
| 02:45 | So Zebra knows to use that icu_chain | |
| 02:45 | I think it then uses the icu_chain locale attribute for the stemmer | |
| 02:45 | Just like we use locale attributes in C4::Search for the stemmer | |
| 02:45 | locale values.. | |
| 02:45 | * | |
| 02:47 | Wish I knew more... | |
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| 02:49 | dcook | That moment when you're going to ghost a nick and then it quits... |
| 02:50 | mtj | yep, zebra knows to use 'icuchain words-icu.xml'.. |
| 02:50 | dcook | And I assume you can only provide one icu_chain within that file |
| 02:50 | So it'll just use whatever attribute you have in there | |
| 02:51 | mtj | but, it seems word-icu.xml can have multiple locale='xx' defintions |
| 02:51 | dcook | "The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." |
| 02:52 | or rather.. | |
| 02:52 | "The toplevel element must be named icu_chain. The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-icu.html | |
| 02:53 | Don't think you can duplicate attributes in XML | |
| 02:55 | mtj | hmm, ok - thats makes sense |
| 02:56 | i was a bit confused by Karam's statement.. | |
| 02:56 | "(note that searching for other locales will still work even if you have your locale set to ar) | |
| 02:56 | " | |
| 02:58 | ..and was imaginng a words-icu.xml file, with many defs.. | |
| 02:58 | <icu_chain locale="ko"> ... </icu_chain> | |
| 02:58 | <icu_chain locale="ar"> ... </icu_chain> | |
| 02:58 | ..so that clears that up , thanks :) | |
| 03:00 | dcook | Yeah, I originally thought that maybe you could have multiple icu_chain elements, but I don't think so |
| 03:00 | I think Karam meant that you can search using other languages | |
| 03:00 | You'd have to double-check yaz and zebra sourcecode to know exactly where that locale gets used I think | |
| 03:01 | I think the stemmer is one place | |
| 03:01 | In theory, I think ICU is supposed to be set up in a way where you could alternate locales easily (like on an operating system) | |
| 03:01 | But I'm not sure how well it would work in this case... which is probably why they only allow you to specify one | |
| 03:01 | Because a record doesn't really have a locale... | |
| 03:02 | A record can contain any number of languages | |
| 03:02 | * dcook | doesn't envy the Indexdata folk |
| 03:02 | dcook | Seems like it's a tough pickle |
| 03:15 | mtj | yeah, its a scary problem |
| 03:16 | everywhere on the net, people seem to generally be saying 'run away!' | |
| 03:19 | eythian | records do have a language tag I think |
| 03:19 | s/do/can/ | |
| 03:21 | dcook | eythian: good point |
| 03:21 | wahanui | I know! The blade went right through that child! |
| 03:21 | dcook | ... |
| 03:22 | eythian: "mul - Multiple languages" | |
| 03:22 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:22 | dcook | "sgn - Sign languages" |
| 03:22 | I didn't know about that one | |
| 03:22 | eythian | it's MARC, it's not a perfect system. |
| 03:22 | what | |
| 03:22 | how can you have a record in sign? | |
| 03:23 | dcook | ikr? |
| 03:23 | eythian | are you sure you're not looking at the language of the content rather than the metadata? |
| 03:23 | dcook | Oh, almost certainly the language of the content |
| 03:24 | I can't think of a language for the metadata... | |
| 03:24 | But you have fields like... | |
| 03:24 | Can't find the fields now | |
| 03:25 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd880.html | |
| 03:26 | mtj | the guide has some diff. info.. looks interesting |
| 03:26 | http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/[…]guage%20searching | |
| 03:26 | eythian | ick |
| 03:26 | mtj | change <icu_chain locale="en"> to <icu_chain locale="en_IN.UTF-8"> |
| 03:26 | wahanui | mtj: that doesn't look right |
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| 03:27 | dcook | In general, I don't think that's a very reliable guide |
| 03:27 | mtj | ..add line at the bottom of the file /etc/koha/sites/library/zebra-biblios.cfg |
| 03:27 | index: icu.idx | |
| 03:27 | eythian | actually, I can't find anything about a record having a language code. Maybe I got my wires crossed somewhere. |
| 03:27 | dcook | In fact, that looks like it wouldn't even do anything |
| 03:28 | eythian: I think so | |
| 03:29 | eythian | I have seen the occasional record in mixed language |
| 03:29 | mtj | https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html |
| 03:29 | eythian: i think its a thing ^ | |
| 03:30 | eythian | that's not the language code for a record |
| 03:30 | that's the language code for an item | |
| 03:31 | dcook | A certain number of fields will always be the language of the items, but it does make me wonder about things like authorities.. |
| 03:31 | Is it just assumed to be English.. | |
| 03:31 | Or do they not record that info | |
| 03:31 | mtj: The last thing I would do is follow kohageek.pbworks.com instructions | |
| 03:32 | eythian | dcook++ |
| 03:32 | dcook | I suppose I often talk like I know what I'm talking about... but I think I at least link back to source documentation and actual examples |
| 03:32 | And provide justifications | |
| 03:35 | eythian | have a look at the 650 for Intermediate Perl / isbn 0596102062 | 9780596102067 |
| 03:35 | that's one that confused me a lot ages ago | |
| 03:36 | dcook | ? |
| 03:37 | * dcook | wanders off to find food |
| 03:38 | eythian | it's a mixed language record |
| 03:39 | tcohen | eythian: if MARC had the chance of setting the language the metadata is in, we would be forced to say MARC is reasonable |
| 03:39 | eythian | no, I don't think so. |
| 03:40 | it'd just be a small improvement. | |
| 03:40 | tcohen | heh |
| 03:41 | wizzyrea | phew I hope that's about all we need on bug 8753 |
| 03:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
| 03:41 | wizzyrea | I want that in 3.22 >.< |
| 03:42 | tcohen | wizzyrea: i like jagermeister |
| 03:42 | just saying | |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 03:42 | tcohen | :-P |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | < |
| 03:43 | <3 | |
| 03:43 | * wizzyrea | looks for an online distributor in Argentina |
| 03:43 | tcohen | heh |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | right friends, I'm outtie see you tomorrow |
| 03:49 | tcohen | bye wizzyrea |
| 04:03 | night | |
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| 04:19 | mtj | eythian: agreed re: your language code point :0) |
| 04:37 | dcook | hmm jagermeister |
| 04:37 | * dcook | always thought tcohen had good taste |
| 04:37 | dcook | And is ridiculously good at motorcycle games in arcades |
| 04:38 | And he isn't even here to enjoy the praise | |
| 04:50 | Riddle me this: | |
| 04:50 | http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7[…]rsionId=184901696 | |
| 04:50 | It states that the work is "Freely available" | |
| 04:51 | at: http://openlibrary.org/books/OL22253601M | |
| 04:51 | But when you click on the "Read" link there, it pops up this guy: https://openlibrary.org/books/[…]_book_thief/daisy | |
| 04:51 | "This DAISY file is protected. | |
| 04:51 | It can only be opened on a specialized device with a key issued by the Library of Congress." | |
| 04:52 | eythian | presumably it's an error |
| 04:52 | * dcook | is confused |
| 04:52 | dcook | Then there's all sorts of stuff about how you can use DAISY-supplied software to read it on PCs |
| 04:53 | Ah some DAISY files have DRM and some don't? | |
| 04:54 | "DAISY books that do not carry digital rights management can be played on a wide range of devices, from dedicated talking book players to devices such as the iPod." | |
| 04:55 | "This DAISY book is encrypted with a key from the National Library Service, and may be read on appropriate reading devices with the key installed." | |
| 05:01 | https://openlibrary.org/help/f[…]#daisy-device-key | |
| 05:01 | In summary, it would indeed appear to be an error to say it is freely available | |
| 05:04 | So far the National Library webpage has told me I can access an encrypted ebook for free... and it's giving me all these options to buy it online | |
| 05:04 | No idea where I can find a copy through a/the library though | |
| 05:05 | Oh wait... an elementary school in Victoria... | |
| 05:05 | Which is apparently open to the public O_o | |
| 05:05 | Yep definitely not open to the public | |
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| 06:18 | eythian | http://www.findtheinvisiblecow.com/ |
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| 06:57 | Joubu | hi |
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| 06:59 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:17 | Joubu | eythian: still around? |
| 07:18 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:20 | magnuse | bonjour Joubu et gaetan_B |
| 07:20 | gaetan_B | bonjour :) |
| 07:22 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:22 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:22 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:22 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 16.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:22 | magnuse | @wunder thessaloniki |
| 07:22 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 20.0°C (9:50 AM EEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:22 | magnuse | heh |
| 07:26 | liw | @wunder torrevieja |
| 07:26 | huginn | liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 21.0°C (9:26 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:27 | magnuse | ooh, anyone able to beat that? |
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| 07:39 | cdickinson | @wunder nzwn |
| 07:39 | huginn | cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 PM NZDT on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:56 | ex-parrot | huh, neat |
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| 10:06 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 10:15 | dojobo | hello |
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| 10:47 | xarragon_ | Hmm, when inserting sysprefs with the INSERT IGNORE syntax, will it overwrite existing values or keep them? Replace them I guess? The manual is a bit unclear. |
| 10:49 | Joubu | nothing will be changed |
| 11:24 | mtj | xarragon_: i think you are describing REPLACE ? |
| 11:24 | https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refm[…]0/en/replace.html | |
| 11:37 | drojf | there is a lot of comments in my SRU response. i don't think it is supposed to be like this? |
| 11:39 | with old default passwords and all. lol | |
| 11:45 | bug 12836 | |
| 11:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , SRU Explain file needs to be rewritten |
| 11:46 | drojf | "extreme new alpha stuff" |
| 11:46 | :D | |
| 11:47 | xarragon_ | "eXXXtreme to the maxx!"? |
| 11:48 | Like as in, 90's extreme, rad and totally tubular, dude? | |
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| 12:02 | drojf | we do not really need any of these indexes besides CQL, do we? |
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| 12:20 | igor | hi everyone |
| 12:21 | I'm trying to test koha locally, on a Debian Jessie environnement. It's the second time I'm doing this, and this time I encountering a problem that I've managed to solve the first time, but I can't remember how... | |
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| 12:24 | igor | I don't know what URL using to get the web admin interface, I mean it's localhost, so how do I do to configure apache to reach something like library-intra.domain.tld... |
| 12:24 | I'm sure the solution is obvious, but I can't see it... :) | |
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| 12:28 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:29 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 12:29 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 15.1°C (9:25 AM ART on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:33 | ashimema | morning tcohen |
| 12:33 | * ashimema | is hoping to finally take a look at the api patches today :) |
| 12:33 | tcohen | hi ashimema |
| 12:33 | ashimema: that sounds great | |
| 12:34 | * ashimema | is also hoping to add a further covers provider to koha (BDS which is rather UK oriented me thinks) and may use it as an excuse to try out the api's work |
| 12:36 | igor | configuring /etc/hosts helped me... |
| 12:39 | tcohen | ashimema: sounds like a great idea |
| 12:43 | * tcohen | hates update-control |
| 12:44 | tcohen | paul_p: can u point me to the devops guy in biblibre that can press the reset button on the jenkins server please? |
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| 13:34 | paul_p | tcohen = biblibre is paying for jenkins, but I'm not sure we know how to reset it... looking now. (rangi must know, for sure) |
| 13:35 | tcohen | paul_p: yeah, but he's on vacation still (me thinks) |
| 13:35 | I recall someone there had access | |
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| 13:39 | paul_p | tcohen = clrh_ has required accesses & has restarted the server ;-) |
| 13:39 | tcohen | paul_p++ clrh++ |
| 13:39 | thanks! | |
| 13:40 | clrh_ | :) |
| 13:42 | tcohen | clrh: it is now happily up and running our precious tests :-D |
| 13:43 | paul_p: can u buy clrh a beer on my behalf? | |
| 13:43 | paul_p | tcohen = she drinked too much beer yesterday already ;-) |
| 13:44 | clrh | :) |
| 13:44 | tcohen | heh |
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| 14:17 | ashimema | jajm about? |
| 14:19 | just wondering if we are actually intending to use mojolicious cookies to maintain api 'sessions' | |
| 14:19 | I'll comment on the bug intead | |
| 14:24 | jajm | ashimema, i'm not sure to understand what you mean by "maintaining api sessions" ? |
| 14:25 | ashimema | are we using mojolicious sessions at all.. |
| 14:25 | if not, then there's no need to make the mojo secret configurable | |
| 14:26 | as the only thing it's used for is the hmac signing of the mojolicious session cookie | |
| 14:26 | we are instead relying on cgisessid which is the cookie created by the cgi method login already baked into koha | |
| 14:26 | tcohen | ashimema: the latter |
| 14:26 | wahanui | the latter is already done |
| 14:26 | ashimema | thus I think adding the secret as configurable in koha-conf is actually more misleading than useful |
| 14:27 | tcohen | maybe a next-step action |
| 14:27 | ashimema | next-step of what.. sorry.. |
| 14:27 | slightly confused.. you mean next step 'might' use the mojolicious cookie? | |
| 14:28 | i've commented on the bug on bugzilla now.. so we can record the result of this conversation there | |
| 14:28 | once I understand what the result is ;) | |
| 14:33 | jajm | ashimema, if we don't need secrets at all, then we can simple remove the patch... i don't think we should add code only to hide a debug message (it's just a debug message after all) |
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| 14:33 | jajm | simply* |
| 14:33 | ashimema | that's a fair comment :) |
| 14:33 | we could remove it entirely | |
| 14:35 | * ashimema | thinks as auths bitch he really aught to dig into our session cookie... he has no idea if it's hmac signed or not at the moment. |
| 14:38 | ashimema | also.. is the 'authorization' level stuff in another bug..? |
| 14:39 | can't currently find it.. but I'm likely just being dense ;) | |
| 14:53 | jajm | ashimema, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14868 ? |
| 14:53 | huginn | 04Bug 14868: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking |
| 14:54 | ashimema | aha.. brill |
| 14:54 | thanks jajm | |
| 14:55 | that make much more sense for now.. | |
| 14:55 | I was struggling to untangle 13920 ;) | |
| 14:55 | thanks | |
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| 15:08 | Dyrcona | rangi: Got a minute for a private question about NCIPServer? |
| 15:11 | ashimema | it's round about 4.10am over there I think Dyrcona ;) |
| 15:11 | likely rangi is asleep ;) | |
| 15:11 | Dyrcona | Oh, yeah.. I left my cell phone at my desk. |
| 15:12 | I have it also show me time in LA and Wellington for people that I usually chat with. :) | |
| 15:12 | @later tell rangi PM me for a question about NCIPServer. | |
| 15:12 | huginn | Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:13 | Dyrcona | Thanks ashimema. |
| 15:14 | * Dyrcona | is in a training class for the ILL software that NCIPServer was written to interface with. |
| 15:14 | ashimema | ill.. :) |
| 15:16 | https://github.com/PTFS-Europe[…]ree/ill_community Dyrcona you may be interested in this stuff then ;) | |
| 15:16 | my colleague is currently knocking it into shape for submission.. and magnuse is thinking about NCIP backends for it I believe.. | |
| 15:16 | Dyrcona | Cool. I'll have a look. |
| 15:16 | ashimema | bit of a team effort going on there :) |
| 15:18 | Dyrcona | My questions usually have to do with integrating my changes into the main NCIPServer branch that I consider owned by rangi, but this time I wanted to make sure that I understand what the Koha side is doing. |
| 15:19 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:19 | Dyrcona | I was comparing what Evergreen does with Koha in one area, and it looks the same, but I wanted to make sure. |
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| 15:23 | ashimema | jajm looks like we're both looking at this bug at the same time.. |
| 15:23 | I'll go rebae my patches and re-upload.. | |
| 15:24 | jajm | ashimema, yes apparently :) |
| 15:24 | ashimema | just warning you not to grab my patches for now as they'll likely be out of sync |
| 15:25 | this is where bugzilla isn't especially clever ;) | |
| 15:26 | I wan't to do a pull --rebase :( | |
| 15:26 | but as they're 'only patches' | |
| 15:26 | lol | |
| 15:28 | jajm | ashimema, does the "swagger.json split" work with Swagger2 0.28 ? |
| 15:29 | ashimema | no |
| 15:29 | but the module is rather experimental at .28 | |
| 15:29 | we're at .58 already.. | |
| 15:30 | and development is still moving fast on it.. I'd suggest we try to keep up | |
| 15:30 | jajm | so wee need to upgrade the debian package... |
| 15:30 | -e | |
| 15:31 | ashimema | which kinda raises my biggest fear with Mojo at the moment.. it's a fast moving project with security fixes etc going in super quick.. debian can't easily keep up :( |
| 15:31 | I'm not entirely sure hwo to manage that conundrum :( | |
| 15:31 | was wondering about stratopan.. seeing if we can somehow remove our reliance upon system perl | |
| 15:36 | I have a real love/hate relationship with packages these days.. | |
| 15:36 | they certainly make installation for the novice way easier.. | |
| 15:37 | but they also bring all sorts of pain in terms of maintaining compatibility and trying to move forward too | |
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| 16:04 | pianohacker | Joubu: I spammed the everloving heck out of bug 11559, but buried in there are some requests for clarification from you. Please take a look when you get a chance :) |
| 16:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 16:05 | Joubu | pianohacker: yep, will do tomorrow, |
| 16:05 | for the subfield check, I don't know if the current behavior is buggy or if it's yours | |
| 16:06 | "What is the intended effect of an ignored/mandatory subfield?" I don't know :) | |
| 16:06 | answer tomorrow! | |
| 16:06 | pianohacker | totally fine, thanks! |
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| 16:28 | Joubu | ashimema, jajm, khall, tcohen: sent a patch on bug 14974, I would like you to have a look to collect ideas and start a discussion |
| 16:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities |
| 16:28 | Joubu | have a good evening #koha! |
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| 17:07 | ashimema | Joubu++ #I'll have a look this evening :) |
| 17:09 | also looking at bug 14828 to update my koha::objects knolledge.. thakns tcoen, joubu | |
| 17:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the item types related code to Koha::ItemTypes |
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| 17:31 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
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| 18:32 | * cait | waves |
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| 18:39 | tcohen | hi cait! |
| 18:39 | cait | hi tcohen |
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| 18:53 | mveron | Good evening / daytime everybody |
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| 20:08 | BobB | hi |
| 20:08 | is there a meeting now? | |
| 20:09 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_7_October_2015 | |
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| 20:11 | thd | BobB: Yes there should be a meeting now. |
| 20:12 | BobB:: Did you see a reminder about the meeting on the mailing lists? | |
| 20:13 | BobB | no, i'm just out of bed tbh |
| 20:14 | thd | I have been running around helping two old people I know avoid eviction. |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | thd++ |
| 20:19 | pianohacker | thd: still in the midst of that? |
| 20:20 | thd | pioanohacker: The judge has up to 60 days to rule on my friend's motion to dismiss the case. |
| 20:22 | BobB | what about this meeting? there's not much on the agenda |
| 20:23 | shall we skip it? | |
| 20:23 | breakfast beckons for /me | |
| 20:30 | catch you next time thd | |
| 20:30 | thd | pioanohacker: We have cured the basic complaint two months ago. However, the landlord's lawyer is trying to assert that even a very neat but large personal library is a fire hazard. |
| 20:31 | Are there enough people here to have a meeting? | |
| 20:31 | mtj | hi folks, i'm about... |
| 20:32 | thd | pianohacker: Did you see a reminder about meeting on the mailing list? |
| 20:32 | pianohacker | nope |
| 20:33 | thd: that's unfortunate... sorry to hear | |
| 20:34 | mtj | i think the meeting reminder email didnt happen |
| 20:35 | thd | pianohacker: In New York City, even very high rents are never high enough for many of the type of people who are now in the business of being a landlord. The nice landlords have largely sold out to the mean ones. |
| 20:35 | pianohacker | sounds like new york... |
| 20:38 | thd | pioanohacker: I am largely finished helping my friend in a major way where I was spending every day helping him restore things to how I had seen them years ago and better. However, the case is continuing in housing court. |
| 20:39 | pianohacker | thd: you're like bag used to be with his creative spellings of pianohacker ;) |
| 20:39 | pananohacker, panohacker, paninihacker | |
| 20:39 | thd | He he |
| 20:40 | bag | my best ever was pianocaker |
| 20:40 | heh | |
| 20:40 | thd | pianohacker: My spell checker marks the correct and incorrect spellings wrong. |
| 20:41 | pianohacker | it's not a common word (thankfully for getting usernames) |
| 20:41 | bag: wow your memory... that was 2009! http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]ick=&q=pianocaker | |
| 20:41 | like, that was from the brendan/bg era! | |
| 20:41 | bag | yeah :) |
| 20:42 | told ya I’ve got a decent memory | |
| 20:43 | pianohacker | if a selective one ;) |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | that's a pretty memorable typo. |
| 20:49 | thd | At this point, I will assume a lack of reminder has killed the prospects for a productive meeting. Should we hold a meeting to at least set the date and time of the next meeting? |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | heh. I'd say we put that on the mailing list |
| 20:50 | thd | Ok |
| 20:54 | I am going to run then to catch up to the other person I am helping in a minimal way. This person is merely a little behind on his rent because he procrastinated about doing things earlier. | |
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| 21:17 | enomao | hi |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 21:44 | wnickc | hello |
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| 22:48 | Francesca | hi |
| 22:48 | wahanui | que tal, Francesca |
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| 23:21 | wizzyrea | I've just had a report of the ajax circ doubling up circulations. I wonder if anyone else has seen that? |
| 23:25 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: circulations? like double issues table entries? |
| 23:26 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 23:26 | pianohacker | wtf |
| 23:26 | wizzyrea | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14069 |
| 23:26 | huginn | 04Bug 14069: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Follow-up 13790: Fix database update to drop PK on issues/old_issues first |
| 23:26 | wizzyrea | I think i'ts because of this |
| 23:26 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: what version? |
| 23:26 | wahanui | it has been said that version is always noted in a comment on top |
| 23:26 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "double issues" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/99 |
| 23:27 | wizzyrea | 3,20 |
| 23:27 | they have 8 occurrences of this since they upgraded to 3.20 | |
| 23:27 | this particular library | |
| 23:28 | pianohacker | what do you mean by ajax circ? the renew/return from the datatable? |
| 23:28 | wizzyrea | i mean using the not-so-new-now circulation interface |
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| 23:29 | wizzyrea | to be fair it probably has more to do with there now not being a PK on the issues table on itemnumber |
| 23:29 | but it should probably have a unique | |
| 23:29 | (as colin notes) | |
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| 23:38 | martian523 | need help! i created a basket. then tried to receive shipment, then it says "no orders found" |
| 23:38 | wizzyrea | You need to close the basket |
| 23:38 | martian523 ^ :) | |
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