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| 00:00 | Doorook | I guess that with the "Staged MARC Record Management" you import the documents once and for good. There is even a checkbox saying to "add the item" to the catalog each time during the process |
| 00:01 | Ty again. | |
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| 00:10 | wizzyrea | is your zebra running? |
| 00:10 | sudo koha-start-zebra instancename (whatever yours is) | |
| 00:10 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that sounds like a prank call. |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | totally is. |
| 00:13 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]our_zebra_running.3F <-- happy, jcamins? |
| 00:15 | Francesca | hahahahaha |
| 00:15 | wahanui | i guess hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? |
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| 01:41 | dcook | @karma |
| 01:41 | huginn | dcook: Highest karma: "cait" (261), "Joubu" (220), and "tcohen" (202). Lowest karma: "ie" (-26), "<-" (-19), and "-" (-17). You (dcook) are ranked 15 out of 476. |
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| 01:44 | eythian | dcook: did you determine if you're going to OSDC? |
| 01:44 | dcook | Oh, I thought the grapevine would've reached you |
| 01:44 | Bought the ticket the other day, and just booked the hotel/flight this morning | |
| 01:44 | :D | |
| 01:44 | eythian | cool |
| 01:44 | dcook | Made sure to make your talk too |
| 01:45 | eythian | I just got that all confirmed yesterday/today too |
| 01:45 | dcook | Taking the later longer flight as a result :p |
| 01:45 | eythian | which flight? |
| 01:45 | I need to book my sydney related bits | |
| 01:45 | dcook | Ahh |
| 01:45 | It's the 6:10 with a layover in Melbourne | |
| 01:45 | Short layover | |
| 01:46 | eythian | the arrive at 9:25 one? |
| 01:47 | dcook | Mmm the 9:55 one I think |
| 01:47 | It was cheaper and only slightly longer | |
| 01:47 | eythian | ah yep |
| 01:47 | I might grab that one too | |
| 01:47 | dcook | :) |
| 01:48 | Seemed like the best bet | |
| 01:52 | eythian | Hobart Terminal D Fri, 30 Oct 2015 06:10 p.m. |
| 01:52 | Sydney SYD Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:55 p.m. | |
| 01:52 | booked in :) | |
| 01:53 | now to find a place to stay | |
| 01:53 | any recommendations on area? | |
| 01:53 | dcook | Sweet :) |
| 01:53 | Hmm, I'm not sure. How long are you here for? | |
| 01:54 | eythian | leave lateish on the Sunday |
| 01:54 | dcook | What do you hope to do while you're here? |
| 01:54 | wahanui | here are some comments on it, problems we found: mailto:http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg00855.html |
| 01:54 | eythian | dcook: wait |
| 01:54 | dcook | ? |
| 01:54 | eythian | did I get my days wrong? |
| 01:54 | dcook | Wait... |
| 01:54 | Yes | |
| 01:54 | Yes you did | |
| 01:54 | eythian | bugger |
| 01:55 | lets fix that now | |
| 01:55 | dcook | Probably a good idea |
| 01:55 | Or you'll miss the gig as well | |
| 01:55 | * dcook | is glad that you noticed the dates |
| 01:55 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:57 | I was intending to go during the day on the friday | |
| 01:57 | I forgot that bit | |
| 01:58 | dcook | Ahh that makes sense |
| 01:58 | I had wondered a bit about that | |
| 01:58 | I'll be working on Friday, so I figured I'd get back on Thursday so I could have the full day back | |
| 02:02 | That feeling when you're sure you had a great query sitting around a while ago for diagnosing a problem and now you have no idea what it was.. | |
| 02:03 | Bib records linked to the wrong authorities... | |
| 02:04 | Suppose this might be a job for link_bibs_to_authorities.pl... | |
| 02:06 | eythian | their change booking form was confusing until I realised that it was just putting details into a form to be dealt with by a person |
| 02:06 | dcook | Ahh, that does sound confusing |
| 02:06 | I've found them quite good on the phone | |
| 02:07 | When I had to cancel last year's flights, they were very understanding | |
| 02:07 | eythian | webjet? |
| 02:07 | dcook | Ah, not webjet |
| 02:07 | eythian | was going to say, $50 per person to do stuff via the phone |
| 02:07 | * dcook | went direct through virgin |
| 02:07 | dcook | *sadface* |
| 02:08 | That sucks | |
| 02:08 | eythian | but no fee to do it through the website |
| 02:08 | dcook | \o/ |
| 02:08 | As for Sydney, I figure areas depend on what you want to do | |
| 02:08 | I only stayed here once as a visitor but I wouldn't recommend where I stayed.. | |
| 02:09 | Mmm keep in mind that the bus system is changing here dramatically in the next few weeks | |
| 02:09 | I think the CBD is a bit overpriced, but anywhere on a transit line is probably good | |
| 02:10 | I think there's one place by Hyde Park which is surprisingly affordable but I don't know the name off the top of my head | |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | is your work not paying for any of your trip to osdc? |
| 02:11 | eythian | wizzyrea: the sydney part of it is my own trip |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | I meant dcook :) |
| 02:11 | eythian | oh |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | but you too :D |
| 02:12 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 02:12 | eythian | dcook: is hyde park a convenient location to get to places? |
| 02:12 | dcook | eythian: Hells yes |
| 02:13 | There's a few train stations around there and a fair number of buses... and I think there are going to be more buses routed through there when you're here | |
| 02:13 | eythian | dcook: was the "Y Hotel" the cheap one you're thinking of? |
| 02:13 | dcook | Also walkable to lots of places around the CBD |
| 02:13 | No clue, unfortunately :( | |
| 02:13 | I just have a former instructor who always stays at the same place | |
| 02:14 | I might check my email to see if she mentioned it | |
| 02:14 | eythian | it's $300 where others are more like $600-$1000 |
| 02:14 | dcook | Hmm no clue |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea | ...jesus |
| 02:14 | dcook | Yeah, most around there are crazy |
| 02:14 | Hmm I don't think it's that one but maybe | |
| 02:15 | Other areas... | |
| 02:15 | I'm not sure what the options are like in the Inner West as I think that's mostly residential.. | |
| 02:15 | * dcook | will have a quick look |
| 02:16 | dcook | Newtown would be all right |
| 02:17 | eythian | I already live in Newtown. |
| 02:17 | dcook | Hmm maybe not so convenient then :p |
| 02:17 | Camperdown is ok for bus/car connections but not so great for trains | |
| 02:17 | I probably wouldn't go west of Camperdown or Newtown.. | |
| 02:17 | Just for closeness | |
| 02:18 | eythian | I hate making these sorts of decisions, I'm going to go for this fairly cheap hyde park one. |
| 02:18 | dcook | Hyde Park is a great location |
| 02:18 | You'd be able to walk to/from the Metro on Friday as well | |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea | I love to travel. I hate to plan travel. |
| 02:18 | eythian | (which does get a little more expensive when I decide I don't want a shared bathroom, but still on the cheaper end of the scale.) |
| 02:18 | that'd be good | |
| 02:19 | dcook | What's the $300 for? |
| 02:19 | Total or night? | |
| 02:19 | eythian | total, two nights |
| 02:19 | dcook | Ahh two nights |
| 02:19 | Maybe I put int he same thing.. | |
| 02:19 | eythian | friday and saturday |
| 02:19 | dcook | Righto |
| 02:19 | $300 seems pretty good | |
| 02:19 | In fact, damn good | |
| 02:20 | eythian | $418 when I get my own bathroom, but that's still on the good side |
| 02:20 | dcook | Yeah, that's still pretty good |
| 02:20 | Well, from what I'm seeing at least | |
| 02:20 | There are cheaper options but they seem farther out | |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | is that total or per night? |
| 02:20 | eythian | <dcook> Total or night? |
| 02:20 | <eythian> total, two nights | |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | sorry sorry >.< |
| 02:21 | * wizzyrea | has too many inputs |
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| 02:22 | wizzyrea | isn't really an excuse, sorry :( |
| 02:23 | dcook | eythian, I'm keen to hear how that stay goes. That seems to be one of the best bets in Sydney.. |
| 02:24 | * dcook | is trying to remember how much he paid for an AirBnB last time he was in Melbourne.. |
| 02:28 | eythian | http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ |
| 02:30 | cdickinson | the website looks so appropriate |
| 02:32 | eythian | oh yeah, need to finish renewing my passport |
| 02:32 | gah so many things | |
| 02:32 | dcook | All the things! |
| 02:32 | I'm hoping that I can just use my driver's licence | |
| 02:32 | * dcook | doesn't like taking his passport to all the places... except for the nice stamps |
| 02:32 | eythian | I can't really do that :) |
| 02:32 | I don't get stamps for Australia | |
| 02:33 | dcook | Really? Hmm |
| 02:33 | They're not very exciting anyway | |
| 02:33 | eythian | but my current one is getting close to expiry |
| 02:33 | * dcook | prefers the Dublin stamps |
| 02:33 | dcook | Nice big and green :D |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU |
| 02:41 | I feel so spoiled because I don't even have to show ID to get on a domestic flight here. | |
| 02:41 | I just have to have a boarding pass and it is luxury, I tell you. | |
| 02:41 | oh, and the boarding pass can be my phone. | |
| 02:41 | cdickinson | <wizzyrea> dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU <-- this is the stupidest thing I've heard all dayu |
| 02:42 | day* | |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | you mean needing a passport for domestic flying? |
| 02:44 | cdickinson | yeah |
| 02:45 | it's not like there is much risk getting on an international flight without a passport anyway | |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | you have to have some sort of ID to board a plane in the US, to the point they won't let you to the gate without one. |
| 02:45 | cdickinson | "might as well be a passport", right? |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | it is, in fact, very daft. |
| 02:45 | ikr. | |
| 02:46 | cdickinson | the passport is easily the most expensive form of ID I can think of |
| 02:46 | ibeardslee | is it? After spending $$ on driving lessons etc, I'm not so sure |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | heh yeah. Well poor people don't travel, dontyaknow |
| 02:47 | cdickinson | ibeardslee: here in NZ, a passport is something like $150, an NZ Learner driver's license doesn't require lessons and costs something like $90 and you need to pass a test |
| 02:47 | actually, might be a little bit more, but it's still less than a passport | |
| 02:47 | but still, get a $30 18+ card and you're away | |
| 02:47 | eythian | $150? |
| 02:48 | cdickinson | it was last time I got a passport |
| 02:48 | admittedly, mine is now expired... | |
| 02:48 | eythian | ah |
| 02:48 | so it is | |
| 02:48 | cheaper than I remember | |
| 02:48 | cdickinson | the 5 year passports we have here are dumb, makes them even more expensive |
| 02:48 | my driver's license lasts longer | |
| 02:48 | ibeardslee | 5 years still? rather than the older (and coming back) more expensive 10 years |
| 02:49 | cdickinson | they're coming back, but all the people that had to buy 5 year passports, I feel for them |
| 02:50 | not that I'm going to be going overseas for a while | |
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| 03:21 | tcohen | hey |
| 03:23 | @later tell rangi please ping me about the s-bug | |
| 03:23 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:24 | cdickinson | when is rangi coming back from overseas? |
| 03:24 | tcohen | dcook: ? |
| 03:24 | northcottc | End of October, I believe. |
| 03:25 | cdickinson | ah, okay |
| 03:25 | dac | Hmm? |
| 03:26 | Sorry, I got distracted by other things | |
| 03:26 | northcottc | tcohen: 12 October is the date I have. |
| 03:26 | dcook | wizzyrea: Back in Canada you have to have photo ID to travel and I only recently got a Aussie driver's licence. Not sure if they would've accepted my old licence in the past so I used to use a passport |
| 03:27 | tcohen | thanks northcottc |
| 03:27 | hi dcook | |
| 03:27 | dcook | heya tcohen :) |
| 03:28 | tcohen | so someone liked my patch heh |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | tcohen: I've got the dbix stuff all sorted out I think |
| 03:28 | tcohen | oh, it is passed! |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | thank you for the advice :) |
| 03:28 | tcohen | wizzyrea: I'm looking at it |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea | \o/ ty |
| 03:29 | dcook | I recall liking a patch this morning but I can't remember why.. |
| 03:29 | Oh right! | |
| 03:29 | Private notes! | |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea | I really need "like" on bugzilla. |
| 03:29 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea | it feels like a thing that allows the least possible amount of interaction. |
| 03:29 | while still saying something. | |
| 03:29 | * dcook | likes that |
| 03:29 | dcook | ;) |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:29 | dcook | ! |
| 03:38 | Yikes... looks like someone on AWS was trying to break into one of our servers.. | |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | typical. |
| 03:38 | dcook | I think I've heard stories about people getting cheap time on AWS to launch attacks? |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | yeah, I've read about that tool; |
| 03:38 | too* | |
| 03:39 | I am having serious trouble with the last bits of words today. | |
| 03:39 | dcook | That's no fu |
| 03:39 | ;) | |
| 03:39 | * dcook | really needs to eat lunch |
| 03:39 | tcohen | night #koha |
| 03:40 | dcook | night tcohen! |
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| 04:09 | * eythian | no longer has a passport |
| 04:09 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 04:09 | oh you had to send your old one | |
| 04:09 | eythian | hopefully the new one shows up in the expected time frame |
| 04:09 | no, it's just effectively disabled apparently | |
| 04:09 | wizzyrea | I don't think there's anything worse than having your right to travel infringed. |
| 04:09 | eythian | (i.e. they say "don't use it") |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | at least, not for people who are used to doing it |
| 04:10 | eythian | yeah. new one should be here in a week or two, and I have a window of about 6 before I need it. |
| 04:10 | dcook | You'll be right! |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 04:10 | dcook | Hmm... |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | she'll be right, maybe? |
| 04:10 | or something. | |
| 04:11 | wahanui | something is sketchy |
| 04:11 | dcook | I think both work |
| 04:11 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra is fun..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75 |
| 04:12 | dcook | Hmm, I'm missing something.. |
| 04:12 | eythian | is it doing "terrorism", "and", "crime"? |
| 04:12 | with an or between them? | |
| 04:12 | dcook | That's the guess, but that doesn't make sense with the Zebar output |
| 04:12 | SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=crime cnt=29841 | |
| 04:12 | If it were using "and", it would show up as a temr | |
| 04:12 | eythian | oh |
| 04:12 | true | |
| 04:12 | dcook | The count of "crime" is different between the two queries |
| 04:12 | So I'm thinking it's taking proximity into account | |
| 04:13 | Although even then.. | |
| 04:13 | Oh yes let's see.. | |
| 04:13 | Yeah, I think that has to be it | |
| 04:13 | As the latter gets one hit | |
| 04:13 | The terrorism-crime continuum | |
| 04:14 | The CCL2RPN must take that into account.. | |
| 04:14 | Something interesting is still happening.. | |
| 04:15 | ti,wrdl=terrorism crime will get 11964 cnt for crime.. | |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | something interesting? |
| 04:15 | wahanui | hmmm... something interesting is still happening.. |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | excellent. |
| 04:15 | dcook | while ti=terrorism and crime gets 29841 for crime |
| 04:15 | wrdl should be making it do an implicit and.. | |
| 04:15 | * dcook | is going to switch to rpn to see.. |
| 04:16 | dcook | eythian: It might be worthwhile adding "set_cclfile" and "querytype" to your Zebra tips |
| 04:16 | querytype ccl2rpn | |
| 04:16 | Gah.. | |
| 04:16 | eythian | can you? I'd probably put it in the wrong place because I don't really know what it is. |
| 04:16 | dcook | set_cclfile /path/to/ccl.properties |
| 04:16 | Sure thing. What's the URL again? | |
| 04:18 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bleshooting_Zebra | |
| 04:18 | ? | |
| 04:18 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:18 | dcook | Cool. Yeah, I'll add it there |
| 04:18 | Handy for using your Koha's ccl.properties :D | |
| 04:19 | Oh... interesting.. | |
| 04:19 | wahanui | interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 04:20 | dcook | It looks like I was right about that wrdl |
| 04:20 | f @and @attr 1=Title terrorism @attr 1=Title crime returns the same thing as f ti,wrdl=terrorism crime | |
| 04:21 | f ti="terrorism and crime" will search "and" as well... | |
| 04:21 | SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=and cnt=41970, term=crime cnt=11964 | |
| 04:26 | Yeah it has to be adding proximity in there.. | |
| 04:29 | * dcook | tries to remember the original question |
| 04:31 | dcook | Mm "terrorism and crime" isn't really "terrorism" and "crime"... |
| 04:31 | It's getting more results than it should.. | |
| 04:36 | Oooo | |
| 04:37 | I think I may have cracked it | |
| 04:37 | * dcook | does a little dance |
| 04:37 | dcook | It's so obvious in the end |
| 04:37 | If you think about it from a grammar perspective rather than a crazy Koha perspective | |
| 04:37 | ti=terrorism and crime | |
| 04:37 | Is not the same as | |
| 04:38 | ti=terrorism and ti=crime | |
| 04:38 | ti=terrorism and crime is actually... ti=terrorism and kw=crime | |
| 04:38 | * dcook | does a little dance again |
| 04:39 | dcook | Ohh it even works in Koha |
| 04:39 | ti:terrorism and ti:crime | |
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| 04:44 | eythian | ah |
| 04:44 | that makes sense | |
| 04:44 | hi cait | |
| 04:44 | dcook | I know, right? |
| 04:44 | So obvious when you think about it | |
| 04:44 | eythian | cait: up early for more beer, is it? |
| 04:44 | dcook | One reason why elliptical expressions suuuuuck |
| 04:44 | beer! | |
| 04:45 | eythian | It's Oktoberfest there, after all. |
| 04:45 | In september. | |
| 04:45 | dcook | I thought I saw something about there being a lot of beer in Konstanz at the moment |
| 04:46 | I've heard stories of people drinking remarkably amounts of beer at Oktoberfest | |
| 04:46 | I always wondered if it meant the beer was watered down, or if it was actually just so good that you couldn't put it down | |
| 04:46 | eythian | I think they probably just get drunk |
| 04:47 | cait | believe me - I would have liked to sleep longer :) |
| 04:47 | and nope no beer for me still | |
| 04:47 | eythian | still hungover from yesterday? |
| 04:47 | you know the way to deal with that is more beer. | |
| 04:47 | dojobo | re: oktoberfest, i have heard that the waitresses will switch people to non-alcoholic beer without telling them |
| 04:48 | basically to cut them off | |
| 04:48 | eythian | heh, that's a good idea |
| 04:48 | dojobo | they serve it by the liter |
| 04:48 | i'm going to munich this friday so i'll probably check out the fest | |
| 04:49 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:49 | Non-alcoholic beer is actually pretty cheap | |
| 04:49 | Bought some recently so my wife could enjoy the taste even though she can't have alcohol at the moment | |
| 04:50 | Still tasted like beer :p | |
| 04:50 | dojobo | if she's pregnant, congrats |
| 04:50 | dcook | thanks :) |
| 04:51 | eythian: Now I'm getting ads for the Y Hotel :p | |
| 04:51 | eythian | haha |
| 04:51 | cait | dcook: when is the date? |
| 04:51 | dcook | cait: Mmm early/mid March |
| 04:51 | So still a ways to go yet | |
| 04:51 | They're pretty big now though. I think last week they were the size of an avocado | |
| 04:52 | Not sure how big now.. | |
| 04:52 | cait | they? |
| 04:52 | wahanui | they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) |
| 04:52 | dcook | Ah, I mean it in a gender neutral way |
| 04:52 | cait | ah |
| 04:53 | dcook | Good ol' English :) |
| 04:53 | cait | now i am slightly disappointed ;) |
| 04:53 | dcook | :p |
| 04:53 | I think I can only handle one at a time | |
| 04:53 | It's hard enough having two cats at the same time.. | |
| 04:54 | * dcook | doesn't know how he's going to cope with 2 fur babies and one furless baby |
| 04:54 | cait | i've heard the furless ones can be real trouble |
| 04:54 | dcook | That's what I hear as well |
| 04:54 | But I hear that when they reach about 15 years old, they get useful for manual labour | |
| 04:55 | * dcook | is looking forward to having someone else that can help him carry heavy stuff |
| 04:55 | dcook | Also, they can fetch beer when they turn 18 |
| 04:55 | * dcook | thinks his priorities are pretty straight here |
| 04:58 | cait | have to go... giving a presentation later today |
| 04:58 | wish me luck :) | |
| 04:59 | dcook | good luck! |
| 04:59 | dojobo | Viel Glück |
| 04:59 | dcook | What they said! |
| 04:59 | eythian | g'luck :) |
| 04:59 | * dcook | doesn't know the gender of dojobo so thought a gender neutral singular they would make sense |
| 04:59 | dcook | Bonne chance! |
| 04:59 | dojobo | :) male |
| 04:59 | eythian | oh, I need to start thinking about my OSDC talk I guess. |
| 04:59 | dcook | Bah! |
| 04:59 | That's... oh wait | |
| 04:59 | I was going to say "that's quitter talk" | |
| 04:59 | But it didn't quite make sense | |
| 04:59 | eythian | no |
| 05:00 | no it didn't | |
| 05:00 | dcook | :( |
| 05:00 | If it helps, reading http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]erymodel-rpn.html helps | |
| 05:00 | cait | slides? |
| 05:00 | wahanui | Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
| 05:00 | dcook | turns out that "phrase" is the default structure attribute |
| 05:00 | eythian | slides? |
| 05:00 | wahanui | Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
| 05:00 | eythian | slides? |
| 05:00 | wahanui | Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
| 05:00 | eythian | hrm |
| 05:00 | literal slides | |
| 05:00 | wahanui | eythian: slides =is= <reply> Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
| 05:00 | cait | :P |
| 05:00 | dcook | Hence ti="terrorism crime" would be a phrase search because of the use of default values |
| 05:01 | eythian | slides? |
| 05:01 | wahanui | get back to writing them, cait! |
| 05:01 | cait | gah. |
| 05:01 | bye :) | |
| 05:01 | eythian | later :) |
| 05:03 | dcook | Maybe I should re-write some of the manual regarding CCL and Zebra searching... |
| 05:17 | * dcook | thinks #koha is one of the reasons he enjoys his job so much |
| 05:17 | dcook | You're rad folks, and helping each other and commenting together and stuff and things is nice |
| 05:17 | * dcook | nods |
| 05:18 | dcook | Hmm querytype is already in the wiki... |
| 05:18 | * dcook | wonders who added that |
| 05:19 | dcook | Ahh it looks like it was magnuse |
| 05:19 | magnuse++ | |
| 05:19 | Hmm or maybe not.. | |
| 05:19 | Oh well. Keep the karma! | |
| 05:40 | Hmm my bad... I don't think it defaults to "kw" | |
| 05:40 | I think it defaults to "term" | |
| 05:41 | eythian | what is term to zebra? |
| 05:41 | dcook | term t=l,r s=al |
| 05:41 | t=l means left-truncated, s=al means each token in term is ANDed | |
| 05:41 | eythian | I'm kinda thinking of ES where term is a type of search you do on a field. |
| 05:42 | dcook | type of search? |
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| 05:43 | eythian | well, "run spot run" becomes terms "run", "spot", "run" and so a term search will look for those individual words. |
| 05:43 | roughly | |
| 05:43 | dcook | I'm thinking ",r" doesn't do anything.. |
| 05:43 | Hmm | |
| 05:43 | eythian | it's somewhat of an intersection between how you index and how you search. |
| 05:43 | dcook | What's the operation between them? |
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| 05:43 | eythian | default or I think |
| 05:43 | dcook | ? |
| 05:43 | eythian | but you can change that |
| 05:44 | dcook | So "run spot run" gets tokenized into "run", "spot", "run", yeah? |
| 05:44 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:44 | dcook | Then the default will be "AND" or "OR"? |
| 05:44 | eythian | yep |
| 05:44 | dcook | Cool. At the moment, I think the default in Koha is kw,wrdl so ... |
| 05:44 | eythian | actually, I'm over simplifying |
| 05:44 | dcook | kw,wrdl="run spot run" would do a keyword search for each term and and them together |
| 05:44 | and AND* | |
| 05:45 | eythian | but if you did a term search for "spot" it'd return that record. |
| 05:45 | dcook | Hmm maybe I don't follow |
| 05:45 | eythian | you can't do a term search for "run spot" |
| 05:45 | but you can do an AND of "term: title: "run"" and "term: title: "spot"" | |
| 05:46 | dcook | Hmm, so "term" would be like "word" I guess? |
| 05:46 | eythian | (I'm not using this part of the API anyway though, except for authority searches.) |
| 05:46 | typically yes | |
| 05:46 | dcook | A term being a single atomic term |
| 05:46 | eythian | yeah, and you're looking for exact matches of them in ES-land |
| 05:47 | a match query would let you do "run spot", it would tokenise it, and then use the results as terms. | |
| 05:47 | (again, roughly) | |
| 05:48 | dcook | Sounds a lot like the word list with Zebra |
| 05:48 | Although I think a word list can only AND in Zebra.. | |
| 05:48 | eythian | but, you kinda need to index things twice to make that work, but that can be done automatically. |
| 05:48 | dcook | Yeah? |
| 05:48 | eythian | https://www.elastic.co/guide/e[…]l-term-query.html <-- "should" is like saying "or" |
| 05:48 | (and "must" is like saying "and") | |
| 05:49 | dcook | Wouldn't it tokenize "run spot" into "run" and "spot" do a search for "run" do a search for "spot" and then and them together? |
| 05:49 | interesting | |
| 05:49 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 05:50 | dcook | Ohhh I think I follow |
| 05:50 | Well.. maybe | |
| 05:50 | eythian | the best way to use ES really is to parse your search into a tree and then build an ES query out of that. |
| 05:50 | which I'm not doing | |
| 05:50 | dcook | Unfortunately :( |
| 05:50 | Yeah, I think the best way to use Zebra would be to parse the search into a tree and then build a PQF/RPN query out of it | |
| 05:51 | eythian | I'm using the function that lets you specify a lucene-style query instead |
| 05:51 | as that pushes a lot of intelligence through to ES rather than me doing it myself. | |
| 05:51 | dcook | True that |
| 05:51 | I suppose that would ignore a lot of system preferences, but that's not necessarily a bad thing | |
| 05:52 | Unless you make up for that | |
| 05:52 | eythian | oh, I can account for that |
| 05:52 | I preparse the query myself | |
| 05:52 | which is ugly, but mostly works | |
| 05:52 | (using regexes etc, not doing it properly.) | |
| 05:53 | dcook | I know we've had this conversation before |
| 05:53 | It's tough without there being a parser there for Zebra too | |
| 05:53 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:54 | dcook | If I had all the time and money... |
| 05:54 | eythian | what we need is some sort of thing that takes what the user types and turns it into a data structure that accounts for system preferences that describes what they really want :) |
| 05:54 | then that can be translated into anything. | |
| 05:54 | some sort of ... query parser or something :) | |
| 05:54 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:54 | That would be rad | |
| 05:55 | I feel like the query parser was so close... | |
| 05:55 | eythian | it'd be an interesting little project for an intern... |
| 05:56 | dcook | That's true. It needs someone who can focus entirely on it. |
| 05:58 | eythian | when I was at uni, doing a group assignment which was to build a man page searcher, one of the people (who happened to have a maths degree also) did pretty much nothing. Then one time when we were stuck, he sat down overnight and in the morning had built us a complete query parser. |
| 05:59 | dcook | O_O |
| 05:59 | Ain't that always the way? | |
| 05:59 | Well... sometimes the way | |
| 05:59 | eythian | certainly sometimes the way :) |
| 06:03 | I should go, have a book launch to go to. | |
| 06:03 | later | |
| 06:04 | dcook | ta |
| 06:04 | eythian | you're...welcome? |
| 06:05 | dcook | I was going to say ta ta, but then I decided halfway through that I didn't want to say that and just hit enter :p |
| 06:05 | later :p | |
| 06:26 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:49 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:49 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
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| 06:59 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:05 | dcook | magnuse: I noticed you gave a bit of love to Troubleshooting Zebra |
| 07:05 | I just created a new section: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]es_when_using_CCL | |
| 07:05 | Joubu | hi |
| 07:05 | wahanui | privet, Joubu |
| 07:05 | dcook | Need to head off for the day, but might be worth looking at :) |
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| 07:10 | magnuse | dcook++ |
| 07:10 | Joubu | @later tell pianohacker Didn't you know someone else using B&T? |
| 07:10 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:10 | dcook | magnuse: It took a bit of time to figure all that out, but super pleased with myself, haha |
| 07:10 | Actually, the hardest part was finding evidence to prove my theories | |
| 07:16 | Anywho, night all | |
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| 11:14 | magnuse | it's oh so quiet... |
| 11:30 | putti | magnuse, hello! :) |
| 11:30 | magnuse | hiya putti |
| 11:33 | putti | magnuse, how koha/serials/serials-collection.pl -> "edit serials" should work? If one has already marked an issue received and then goes to edit it: changes status to something else like missing, but then changes it back to arrived there comes the item modification thingie.. should that come? |
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| 11:40 | putti | I think one should only be able to change the status not any information of the item. |
| 11:44 | magnuse | putti: i am not sure, i'm not very familiar with the serials stuff |
| 11:44 | putti | magnuse, okay, np. |
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| 12:20 | Viktor | We're discussing how to implement protection av MARC-fields per source/user class. |
| 12:21 | jcamins | Viktor: 1) get rid of MARC 2) celebrate 3) profit |
| 12:21 | Viktor | Is there more places doing import than Z39.50, staging for import. Shellscripts? |
| 12:21 | jcamins Sound good. I like Science fiction :) | |
| 12:22 | jcamins | Viktor: me too. |
| 12:24 | Viktor | Wondering if everything uses the same code and we can just insert the field-protection into a single field. |
| 12:24 | Or if we have to hunt around all sorts of places. | |
| 12:25 | magnuse | Viktor: the bulkmarcimport.pl script |
| 12:25 | ? | |
| 12:25 | and the svc api (or maybe not, i am not sure) | |
| 12:26 | Viktor | Thanks magnuse |
| 12:26 | magnuse | but everything *should* use ModBiblio AddBiblio etc |
| 12:27 | Viktor | Great news. If they all use ModBibliot AddBiblio then we should attack those for a single point (of success:) |
| 12:27 | Would it be best to do "per framework" or "systemwide" do you think? | |
| 12:28 | We are thinking for case 1 just to throw unwanted fields silently. | |
| 12:28 | magnuse | my gut feeling says systemwide |
| 12:28 | Viktor | Good. |
| 12:29 | Combined with the history patch xarragon did it could be useful when syncing with national catalogues etc. | |
| 12:29 | Or letting cataloguers change all fields and regular librarians some fields. | |
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| 12:34 | Viktor | Does ModBiblio and AddBiblio have any idea right now of who is using them? |
| 12:35 | Only record och framework it seems. | |
| 12:37 | So we would have to add _what_ source is using the script so we can handle differences between what source A, B, C is allowed to overwrite. | |
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| 13:13 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:14 | Joubu: http://snag.gy/knIep.jpg <--- Jessie | |
| 13:17 | Joubu | tcohen: well, just reinserted my DB for tests and it passes! Sorry about that |
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| 13:26 | magnuse | Oak |
| 13:26 | tcohen | Joubu: no worries, it was worth re-checking |
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| 13:28 | Oak | magnuse |
| 13:29 | \o/ | |
| 13:29 | tcohen | hi Oak |
| 13:29 | Oak | hello tcohen ! |
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| 15:01 | reiveune1 | bye |
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| 15:07 | tcohen | jajm++ |
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| 15:26 | tcohen | jajm: i cannot figure how to translate the rewrite rules into the reverseproxy+psgi combo |
| 15:26 | any Plack gurus here? | |
| 15:27 | or better, anyone here? | |
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| 15:55 | tcohen | ashimema: around? |
| 15:58 | bag | heya tcohen |
| 16:15 | Joubu | tcohen: ? |
| 16:16 | pianohacker | . |
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| 17:03 | Joubu | bye #koha |
| 17:13 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 17:30 | tcohen | hi bag} |
| 17:30 | bag} | |
| 17:30 | bag | |
| 17:30 | heh, issues with the keyboard | |
| 17:30 | i need a Plack expert | |
| 17:30 | anyone? | |
| 17:30 | wahanui | hmmm... anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
| 17:31 | tcohen | plack and/or mojolicious |
| 17:41 | mveron | bye #koha |
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| 18:10 | * magnuse | sets up another free koha instance for personal use |
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| 20:12 | tmcmahon | I filed a bug last week about a problem I was having with keyboard shortcuts after my database was loaded into a new system. |
| 20:13 | Today I found out what was causing it (but not why, of course). | |
| 20:13 | Do I edit the title and contents of the current bug or fill out a new one? | |
| 20:15 | and if I fill out a new one, what do I do about the old one? | |
| 20:15 | The current one is http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14860 | |
| 20:15 | huginn | 04Bug 14860: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Keyboard shortcuts not functioning correctly after loading database. |
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| 20:53 | Doorook | Hi |
| 20:53 | wahanui | niihau, Doorook |
| 20:53 | Doorook | yes ? |
| 20:53 | ohhh, niihau ! :) | |
| 20:53 | xiexie | |
| 20:54 | pianohacker | Doorook: wahanui is a chatbot :) |
| 20:54 | I am not, though. Hi! | |
| 20:55 | Doorook | Could someone explain me why I can't see any document in koha opac's catalog unless if this one is in a list ? |
| 20:55 | haha, ty for the tips pianohacker | |
| 20:55 | pianohacker | Doorook: could I ask for a bit more information? Catalog searching doesn't work? |
| 20:55 | Doorook | Yes |
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| 20:56 | Doorook | To explain where I am : I scanned some ISBN and made a test .mrc with 10ish documents |
| 20:56 | Then I imported the .mrc, so I have the notices in the "reservoir" | |
| 20:56 | and then I managed them via the import tool | |
| 20:57 | pianohacker | Doorook: did you install from packages? |
| 20:57 | Doorook | but still, I have to say KOHA that I have an "exemplaire" of all the documents one by one and even then they are not listed in KOHA opac unless if they are on the public list I created |
| 20:58 | (my apologizes for the English and specific Vocab, i'm not a native english speaker) | |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | no worries, we get you :) |
| 20:58 | Doorook | It's a live-CD I tweaked. |
| 20:58 | but everything else seems to work | |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | ah, kk |
| 20:59 | have you rebuilt the search indices (zebra)? | |
| 20:59 | Doorook | there's no problem with zebra either since I can see the documents listed. (but still I did actualise it) |
| 20:59 | Yep | |
| 21:00 | with koha-rebuild-zebra -b -v -f library | |
| 21:00 | pianohacker | and no errors? |
| 21:00 | Doorook | and it returns that it exported the good number of documents |
| 21:01 | * Francesca | waves |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | Is the zebra daemon running? |
| 21:02 | Doorook | I think so |
| 21:02 | ... :p | |
| 21:02 | the output of : ps ax|grep zebra | |
| 21:02 | 1121 ? S 0:00 daemon --name=library-koha-zebra --errlog=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/library/zebra.log --output=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=libr | |
| 21:05 | pianohacker | is that the only output? That's the script that starts zebra but not zebra itself |
| 21:07 | cait | Doorook: does the intranet search work? |
| 21:07 | i mean, is there a difference between opac and intranet? | |
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| 21:11 | Doorook | sry |
| 21:12 | hmmm, what do you call the intranet search ? I can access to the online catalog, but it tells me that there are no result found | |
| 21:12 | unless if I go in the specific list "Publique" which contains the document I added manually (list and examplary) | |
| 21:12 | pianohacker | Doorook: please run ps ax | grep zebrasrv |
| 21:13 | Doorook | pianohacker: |
| 21:13 | 1122 ? S 0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 3332 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto zebrasrv | |
| 21:14 | So it does run | |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | Doorook: try stopping it and starting it again |
| 21:16 | Doorook | koha-restart-zebra library return no error and it's still the same |
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| 21:23 | Doorook | cait pianohacker : any other idea than checking zebra ? |
| 21:23 | sry to bother you like that, but I have the impression that I'm turning in circle and I'd really like to make it work | |
| 21:23 | cait | the intranet would be the interface for the librarians - where you catalog |
| 21:24 | an idea would be to check the OpacSuppression system preference | |
| 21:24 | if only the opac was affected | |
| 21:24 | theproblem is that with a live dvd we don't know exactly how this is set up - it makes helping somewhat harder | |
| 21:25 | Doorook | hmmm, I have the code to access sql and all the setting |
| 21:25 | for the intranet, I can access it normally, no restriction | |
| 21:25 | i'll take a look for Opacsuppression | |
| 21:28 | it's set to "show" | |
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| 21:30 | tcohen1 | hi |
| 21:30 | Doorook | hi |
| 21:30 | wahanui | privet, Doorook |
| 21:37 | cait | hm if 'show' - it_s probably something else sorry |
| 21:37 | hi tcohen | |
| 21:38 | pianohacker | sigh... longoverdue.pl "this script is not intended to have a long lifetime" |
| 21:38 | ^ introduced in a commit from 2008 | |
| 21:40 | cait | i know |
| 21:40 | pianohacker: keep in mind we are getting better | |
| 21:41 | pianohacker | I know :) |
| 21:41 | wnickc | hi and bye all! |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | longoverdue |
| 21:43 | it is sighworthy | |
| 21:45 | tcohen1 | hi cait |
| 21:45 | pianohacker | Doorook: yes, once you've followed http://manual.koha-community.o[…]arceditexcel.html , you should see the records in Koha |
| 21:45 | though note that that's a very old version of the manual | |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | why the 3.2 ... yeah |
| 21:46 | you can just swap out the version. | |
| 21:48 | Doorook | i'm running the 3.12 now |
| 21:51 | tcohen1 | 3.12 was awesome |
| 21:52 | Doorook | what's the difference with the actual one ? tcohen1 |
| 21:52 | tcohen1 | course reserves |
| 21:52 | wahanui | well, course reserves is definitely something others have been interested in |
| 21:55 | tcohen1 | Doorook: check http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ |
| 21:55 | replace 14 for: 16, 18 and 20 | |
| 21:55 | to have an idea ;-) | |
| 21:55 | bye | |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | what is the word, it begins with d I think, that means "accented characters" |
| 22:03 | I simply cannot call this up, and I know I know it. | |
| 22:04 | diacritic! | |
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| 22:18 | eythian | hi |
| 22:18 | wahanui | que tal, eythian |
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| 23:48 | wizzyrea | I'm... not sure how to advise someone to upgrade from koha 3.01 |
| 23:49 | (also, I answered that guy but I forgot to send it to the list) | |
| 23:49 | or just failed at email. | |
| 23:52 | if anyone has advice for him on upgrading 3.01, please feel free to chuck your pennies in. | |
| 23:56 | eythian | I don't actually see that email |
| 23:57 | oh | |
| 23:57 | what's odd there is his other email claims to have 3.20 | |
| 23:57 | ah, different servers too | |
| 23:57 | looks like he's got an old one and a new one | |
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