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| 01:58 | jcamins | @later tell oleonard A counterpoint on the custom Bootstrap idea: if libraries are customizing their OPAC, and told "the Koha theme is based on Bootstrap 2.x," they might reasonably expect to be able to use all of Bootstrap. That said, I have no pony in this race. |
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| 04:24 | dcook | Laaaaag :( |
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| 05:01 | schnydszch | Hi! Regarding koha 2015 bid yes the location for the Philippine bid will still be at the National Librarybof the Philippines. I think the meeting is five hours away, am I right? |
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| 06:08 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:22 | magnuse | meeting in 3 hours ~40 minutes? |
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| 06:34 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:40 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune viktorsarge_ |
| 06:40 | reiveune | salut magnuse |
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| 06:41 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 06:42 | viktorsarge_ | salut magnuse |
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| 06:43 | Viktor | And good morgning (or evening) all of #koha |
| 06:44 | schnydszch | Hi! ICYMI: The 2016 koha con proposal by the Philippines has still the support of the National Library of the Philippines, hence, the proposal's location venue is still the National Library. Good day (or good evening or good afternoon) to all! |
| 06:46 | and yeah to answer drojf query and to answer questions of everybody, yes, we have the full support of the National Library of the Philippines in hosting 2016 kohacon | |
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| 06:52 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:52 | wahanui | bonjour, alex_a |
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| 07:10 | drojf | morning #koha |
| 07:11 | dcook++ | |
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| 07:25 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:25 | wahanui | niihau, gaetan_B |
| 07:26 | drojf | lol mtompsett |
| 07:32 | magnuse | meeting in 2.5 hours! |
| 07:33 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:40 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 07:50 | * magnuse | sets off to drive the final stake through the heart of ncip |
| 07:51 | drojf | can't you kill marc first? :P |
| 07:53 | magnuse | MARC is a zombie... |
| 07:53 | drojf | the walking MARC |
| 07:54 | magnuse | :-O |
| 07:55 | night of the living MARC | |
| 07:55 | drojf | waaaah |
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| 08:50 | nlegrand | Hey #koha o/ |
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| 08:54 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 09:17 | * magnuse | will be back for the meeting |
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| 10:03 | BobB | meeting time? |
| 10:03 | wahanui | well, meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 10:03 | magnuse | yeah, think so |
| 10:03 | cait | yes i think so |
| 10:03 | one sec | |
| 10:03 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_9_September_2015 |
| 10:03 | BobB | np |
| 10:04 | cait | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 9 September 2015 |
| 10:05 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 10:04:46 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:05 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:05 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_9_september_2015' |
| 10:05 | cait | #topic introductions |
| 10:05 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:05 | Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:05 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info, the agenda of today's meeting can be found under |
| 10:05 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_9_September_2015 | |
| 10:05 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany | |
| 10:05 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 10:05 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
| 10:05 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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| 10:05 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:06 | cait | a lot of people are on vacation this week |
| 10:06 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:06 | drojf | way less than last week, as was shown by anecdotal evidence at the last meeting |
| 10:07 | ikourmou | #info Giannis Kourmoulis, Aristotle Univesity of Thessaloniki, Greece |
| 10:07 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 10:07 | cait | small = quick? one can hope :) |
| 10:07 | magnuse | :-) |
| 10:07 | cait | ok, moving on |
| 10:07 | BobB | seldom turns out that way :) |
| 10:07 | cait | #topic Announcements |
| 10:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:08 | cait | noone? |
| 10:08 | wahanui | noone is here! |
| 10:08 | cait | we had a gbsd that i think was pretty successful |
| 10:08 | #info GBSD on 3 September was successful | |
| 10:08 | drojf | do you have the stats link? |
| 10:09 | ashimema | I'm aware of the PTFS sandboxes being a bit fragile at the moment.. it's on my list at some piont to investigate. |
| 10:09 | cait | can you find it? |
| 10:09 | do youwant me to info? | |
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| 10:09 | ashimema | that was sorta related to gbsd |
| 10:09 | cait | ok :) |
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| 10:09 | cait | khall did a screenshare session and i know at least 2 new sign-offers came out of it |
| 10:09 | drojf | no did not bookmark it apparently |
| 10:09 | cait | so i am pretty happy overall |
| 10:10 | magnuse | yup, good gbsd! |
| 10:10 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 10:10 | BobB | we didn't achieve a sign-off but a couple of things got moved along |
| 10:10 | cait | i think it woudl be good if we offered something similar next time as well |
| 10:10 | * cait | nods |
| 10:10 | schnydszch2 | #info Eugene Espinoza |
| 10:10 | cait | also some bugzilla clean-up was done |
| 10:10 | drojf | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i-bin/progress.pl |
| 10:11 | definitely made an impact | |
| 10:11 | made, had, too early for english | |
| 10:11 | cait | ok, moving on :) |
| 10:11 | #topic Update on Releases | |
| 10:11 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:12 | cait | any RM* here? |
| 10:12 | BobB | mtj? |
| 10:12 | wahanui | i think mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!! |
| 10:12 | cait | ok, i'd say things aremoving along nicely |
| 10:13 | #info Fridolin announced EOL for 3.14 on the mailing list | |
| 10:13 | anything else? | |
| 10:13 | wahanui | anything else is just being crap |
| 10:13 | cait | ah |
| 10:14 | #info Plack packages need testing | |
| 10:14 | BobB | wahanui be polite |
| 10:14 | wahanui | BobB: huh? |
| 10:14 | cait | probably not a good description - but tomas pushed plack scripts for packages to master and they need more testing :) |
| 10:14 | ok, moving on | |
| 10:15 | #info KohaCon15 | |
| 10:15 | magnuse | there should be a branch in kohadevbox with that stuff soon, to help with the testing |
| 10:15 | cait | um |
| 10:15 | #info magnuse and tcohen are working on a branch for kohadevbox to help with the testing | |
| 10:15 | thx magnuse | |
| 10:15 | moving on | |
| 10:15 | #topic KohaCon15 | |
| 10:15 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:15 | cait | is one of the organizers present? |
| 10:16 | or someone attending / with information? | |
| 10:16 | ashimema | We have a couple of customers running Plack and CGI in parallel for live systems now. |
| 10:16 | drojf | when is it? octoberß |
| 10:16 | cait | I thin in week 43 |
| 10:16 | ashimema: runnign opac and staff? | |
| 10:16 | drojf | i don't live by weeks ;) |
| 10:17 | ashimema | staff is what we're trailing I think |
| 10:17 | drojf | but that would be in a month if my calendar is right |
| 10:17 | cait | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ |
| 10:17 | ashimema | to improve performance for them.. very big customers.. |
| 10:17 | cait | #link http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ |
| 10:18 | schnydszch2 | Philippine representative here |
| 10:18 | cait | anything more plack or kohacon15? |
| 10:18 | drojf | brb |
| 10:18 | schnydszch2 | Workung meeting luch for me |
| 10:18 | ashimema | not form me |
| 10:18 | cait | ok |
| 10:18 | #topic KohaCon16 | |
| 10:18 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:18 | cait | who wants to go first? :) |
| 10:19 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]haCon16_Proposals | |
| 10:19 | drojf | back |
| 10:19 | cait | we got 2 proposals this year |
| 10:19 | drojf | well, we have… yes, that :) |
| 10:19 | ikourmou | Thessaloniki rep here |
| 10:19 | * drojf | flips a coin |
| 10:19 | cait | One from Thessaloniki, Greece and another from the Philippines |
| 10:20 | drojf: what's the result? | |
| 10:20 | wahanui | i guess the result is the same but legally, i don't think we can have discount on taxes... |
| 10:20 | drojf | any news from greece about kohacon 2016, ikourmou? |
| 10:20 | ikourmou | We are on track for the migration, we go live next week |
| 10:21 | drojf | oh, good luck |
| 10:21 | ikourmou | I would like to know the voting page URL, so that i inform my colleagues |
| 10:21 | drojf | the proposal was clear, no questions from me. anything else you would like to add? |
| 10:21 | ashimema | do we have one yet ;) |
| 10:22 | drojf | no we don't, we will have at the end of the meeting :) |
| 10:22 | cait | fingers crossed! |
| 10:22 | ashimema | :) |
| 10:22 | cait | oh |
| 10:22 | drojf | hm timing is everything |
| 10:22 | wahanui | i already had it that way, drojf. |
| 10:22 | ikourmou | ok, if you need anything to clarify regarding our proposal... |
| 10:22 | cait | ah we still got a schnydszch |
| 10:22 | ikourmou | i'm willing to do so |
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| 10:22 | drojf | ikourmou: i think it is all there :) |
| 10:23 | any news about kohacon 2016 from the philippines, schnydszch2? | |
| 10:23 | thd | schnydszch2: Do you have an update on the venue in consequence of the national library not being available? |
| 10:23 | schnydszch2 | We have the full support of the national library of the philippines on this |
| 10:23 | So the location will still be the national library of the philippines | |
| 10:24 | drojf | great |
| 10:24 | schnydszch2 | It will be available durong that tike according to estimate |
| 10:24 | thd | schnydszch2: Great :) |
| 10:24 | drojf | so should i add manila then to the voting site? so far i have "thessaloniki, greece" and "philippines" which is a little odd :) |
| 10:25 | schnydszch2 | Manila, philippones |
| 10:25 | cait | #info Location for the Philippines is Manila, National library |
| 10:25 | schnydszch2 | Manila, Philippines* |
| 10:25 | drojf | ok i will change that before it goes live |
| 10:25 | schnydszch2 anything else you would like to add? | |
| 10:25 | schnydszch2 | National Library of the Philippines, Manila, Philippines |
| 10:27 | Nothing. Everything else is in the wiki proposal | |
| 10:27 | drojf | we will start voting now. there are only two candidates, so that won't be too complicated. basically, i have two options |
| 10:27 | "now", after the meeting really | |
| 10:27 | cait | how long is it going to run? |
| 10:28 | thd | What had we determined about polling period last month. |
| 10:28 | ? | |
| 10:28 | drojf | we could do a simple radio button vote where you choose on option, or a ranking. the ranking would have also the option of either one or two votes, like "i prefer a, but would go to b" or "i would only go to a" |
| 10:29 | in the latter case we would have to decide how to count that. given it is only two options, it will probably not make a difference in the end | |
| 10:29 | the voting period is one week | |
| 10:29 | cait | #info Voting for the bids is going to start today, the voting period is a week. |
| 10:30 | drojf | to show you what i mean… |
| 10:30 | thd | drojf: If using a radio button, it should be blank by default. |
| 10:30 | magnuse | i'd say keep it simple: a or b, no second alternative |
| 10:30 | drojf | option 1 http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]hp/614551?lang=en |
| 10:30 | option 2 http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]hp/177931?lang=en | |
| 10:31 | thd: it's blank and the order is randomized | |
| 10:31 | cait | thd: it is |
| 10:31 | ashimema | the second page is an error for me./ |
| 10:32 | drojf | oh? what kind of error? |
| 10:32 | cait | permission setting i think |
| 10:32 | schnydszch2 | For me as well |
| 10:32 | drojf | oh sorry. wait :) |
| 10:32 | ashimema | yup.. permission error |
| 10:32 | cait | We are sorry but you don't have permissions to do this. |
| 10:32 | schnydszch2 | Could be because i tested it? |
| 10:34 | magnuse | 1st one works for me, not second. first time visitor. |
| 10:34 | drojf | does that work http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]/index.php/393475 |
| 10:34 | BobB | schnydszch2 and magnuse believe in the maxim 'Vote early and vote often!' :) |
| 10:34 | drojf | it lacks the "not the real deal" warning now |
| 10:34 | schnydszch2 | Second one works |
| 10:34 | drojf | but it is not, don'tpass it around ;) |
| 10:35 | ashimema | yup.. |
| 10:35 | drojf | like magnuse, i would say for the two options the simple one is enough |
| 10:35 | but i am open for opinions | |
| 10:36 | ashimema | I tihnk we'd need to clearly state how the votes count if we wen't for the latter. |
| 10:36 | before putting it up | |
| 10:36 | drojf | ashimema: yes, we would have to decide that now |
| 10:36 | cait | rangi told me he preferred the ranking method |
| 10:36 | ashimema | so yeah.. I agree.. go for the former ;) |
| 10:36 | drojf | and put it in |
| 10:36 | thd | #me hates drag and drop metaphor but likes ranked voting principle. |
| 10:36 | ikourmou | yes, the first one (with the radiobuttons) is straightforward |
| 10:36 | cait | a problem we had in the past is that it was not clear to everyone that you could rank only one option instead of all options |
| 10:36 | ashimema | are there some ranking systems fro exactly this out there |
| 10:36 | drojf | in case we had more proposals, ranking would definitely be interesting |
| 10:37 | cait | so there is some possible fuzziness there |
| 10:38 | schnydszch2 | I think first one will work because we only have two |
| 10:38 | drojf | do you waynt to vote on the way we vote? ;) |
| 10:38 | cait | heh |
| 10:38 | ashimema | I sorta like the ranking.. |
| 10:38 | drojf | so far i think the simple option is preferred |
| 10:38 | ashimema | as it takes account of the 'I can't make it to x, but would attend y' |
| 10:38 | drojf | my proposal for the ranking would be 2 points for first, 1 for second, 0 if not chosen |
| 10:39 | there are probably a lot of schemes aqnd calculations about such things out there that i don't know about ;) | |
| 10:39 | schnydszch2 | If one is chosen since there are only two so the ranking will be 2 points for the one chosen and one point for the pther |
| 10:39 | cait | and if you only chose one option 2 points total? |
| 10:40 | ashimema | if you do rank and you allow for a no vote.. |
| 10:40 | then you have 4 options.. | |
| 10:40 | drojf | atm you have to choose 1 or 2 options |
| 10:40 | ashimema | a + b, b + a, a, b |
| 10:40 | drojf | that can be set |
| 10:40 | thd | In the past we would have a vote and examined the result under various schemes for interpreting ranking. |
| 10:40 | cait | i think we should be clear now |
| 10:40 | drojf | thd: have the results first and then choose the interpretation? |
| 10:40 | cait | before the vote starts |
| 10:40 | drojf | that sounds… odd :) |
| 10:41 | ashimema | I'd almost say.. for the 'can't go there' it needs to almost be a negative vote |
| 10:41 | thd | drojf: Yes it was odd, however, ... |
| 10:41 | drojf | ashimema: let#s not complicate things :P |
| 10:41 | ashimema | if it's not.. and you just auto asign a second choice your in fact counting it against those who cannot attend a particular destination |
| 10:42 | thd | the choice of scheme to interpret the results would not have changed the result in our actual experience. |
| 10:42 | drojf | thd: that is true. the choice of voting style won't do that this time either |
| 10:43 | people from greece will vote only greece, people from the philippines will only vote philippines. and some devs will ranks because the company pays travel expenses | |
| 10:43 | *rank | |
| 10:43 | cait | not sure if you can say that |
| 10:43 | ashimema | lol |
| 10:43 | cait | if people misunderstand the form, they also might rank 2 because they think they have to |
| 10:43 | drojf | disclaimer: just my gut feeling, not an official announcement :) |
| 10:43 | ashimema | yup |
| 10:44 | drojf | yes, that was leading to trouble before |
| 10:44 | cait | i am fine with either opton |
| 10:44 | but it's like to have a clear scheme for the ranking and a good clear note on the page | |
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| 10:44 | magnuse | with the ranking you could have A 51% as first, B 49% as first - and then B might still win if it has a lot more 2nd places than A |
| 10:44 | so do we vote on the voting? | |
| 10:44 | drojf | magnuse: in theory, yes. depending in how that is counted |
| 10:44 | thd | On one occasion at least, the preference order for some later ranked choices would have been different with different interpretation schemes. |
| 10:45 | drojf | i'm fine with both options, as long as we agree on the interpretation upfront |
| 10:45 | so we can say, if you rank, that means exactly this and that | |
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| 10:46 | BobB | i like the simple option, but cait has to decide if this is going to a vote |
| 10:46 | ashimema | agreed |
| 10:46 | drojf | it has to be clear what is going on, no fuzzy interpretation afterwards |
| 10:46 | cait | BobB: no problem with a vote to vote... |
| 10:47 | but i think it would be good to know how the secnd opton works :) | |
| 10:47 | shall i start a vote? | |
| 10:47 | BobB | yup |
| 10:47 | drojf | do you want to decide that before voting? |
| 10:47 | thd | I like the drojf's simple 2, 1, 0 count on this occasion for interpreting ranking. |
| 10:47 | drojf | we could vote on the vote count before we vote on the vote :P |
| 10:47 | ashimema | if it's 2,1,0.. does a 0 vote pair with a 1.. or a 2 |
| 10:48 | BobB | i think if there is a majority for ranking, then spend time working out the schema ... |
| 10:48 | drojf | ashimema: i don't understand the question :) |
| 10:48 | cait | #startvote Should we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting? (radio,ranking) |
| 10:48 | huginn | Begin voting on: Should we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting? Valid vote options are , radio, ranking, . |
| 10:48 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 10:48 | drojf | BobB: +1 |
| 10:48 | thd | Ultimately, I prefer a score voting but scheme, but that is a different discussion for a different poll. |
| 10:49 | cait | noone? |
| 10:49 | wahanui | noone is, like, here |
| 10:49 | ashimema | a + b = 2 + 1 |
| 10:49 | a only = 2 + 0 OR 1 + 0 | |
| 10:49 | drojf | i abstain and follow orders then ;) |
| 10:49 | thd | #vote ranking |
| 10:49 | ikourmou | #vote radio |
| 10:49 | cait | #vote radio |
| 10:49 | BobB | #vote radio |
| 10:49 | ashimema | #vote radio |
| 10:49 | cait | i think radio vote doesn't mean you can't go to your second favourite choice if you want to :) |
| 10:50 | ashimema | ranking is too hard with just this meeting to work it out ;) |
| 10:50 | drojf | you all should go to kohacon 2016, regardless of the location and your vote ;) |
| 10:50 | ashimema | that entirely depends on your employer in many cases I would imagine |
| 10:50 | cait | i will certainly try :) |
| 10:51 | schnydszch: ? | |
| 10:51 | drojf | ashimema: true. but your vote for a should not keep you away from going to b :) |
| 10:51 | ashimema | greece.. we could send a party of people.. phillapines we'll be lucky to afford to send one. |
| 10:51 | BobB | droif airfares make a huge diff for us: one location, we send one delegate, the other location we can send three :) |
| 10:51 | ashimema: snap | |
| 10:51 | thd | ashimema: The "too hard" aspect is partly why we had not specified a specific interpretation scheme in the past. |
| 10:51 | ashimema | lol |
| 10:51 | drojf | everyone voted i think? |
| 10:52 | cait | i was hoping schnydszch |
| 10:52 | ashimema | I'd go for ranking every time if we had a scheme agreed upon ;) |
| 10:52 | magnuse | #vote radio |
| 10:52 | cait | as they are bidding |
| 10:52 | but we might have lost him | |
| 10:52 | * ashimema | hates the first past the post method in politics too) |
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| 10:52 | thd | ashimema++ |
| 10:53 | cait | schnydszch2: back? |
| 10:53 | wahanui | and forth. |
| 10:53 | cait | the vote is still open |
| 10:53 | drojf | ashimema: we still could ;) |
| 10:53 | schnydszch2 | Sorry got cut what's to vote on? |
| 10:53 | cait | ould we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting? Valid vote options are , radio, ranking, . |
| 10:54 | should we be using... | |
| 10:54 | schnydszch2 | #vote eadio |
| 10:54 | huginn | schnydszch2: eadio is not a valid option. Valid options are , radio, ranking, . |
| 10:54 | schnydszch2 | #vote radio |
| 10:54 | cait | #endvote |
| 10:54 | huginn | Voted on "Should we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting?" Results are |
| 10:54 | ranking (1): thd | |
| 10:54 | radio (6): magnuse, cait, schnydszch2, ashimema, BobB, ikourmou | |
| 10:54 | cait | hm ok |
| 10:54 | ashimema | is there a second half to this meeting? |
| 10:55 | cait | #agreed 2 Radiobuttons, randomized order and no preselection will be used for the vote |
| 10:55 | ashimema: not this time around | |
| 10:55 | ashimema | I reckon rangi etc would vote the other way ;) |
| 10:55 | drojf | ok that seems clear. and both bidders voted for radio too, so they won't be unhappy with it |
| 10:55 | cait | yeah |
| 10:55 | ashimema | yup.. |
| 10:55 | cait | yeah i think it's good that we got the representatives here |
| 10:55 | * ashimema | suggests we work uot the scheme nice and early for the next vote ;) |
| 10:55 | cait | :) thx for attending ikourmou and schnydszch! |
| 10:55 | drojf | ashimema: put it on the agenda for next time |
| 10:56 | schnydszch2 | You're welcome! |
| 10:56 | ikourmou | thank you! |
| 10:56 | drojf | ok i will set that up now while you continue. i will send out an email to the list with the url soon |
| 10:56 | cait | ok, if you are done before, maybe can paste here too i am moving on |
| 10:56 | drojf | so you can inform everyone interested |
| 10:56 | yes | |
| 10:56 | cait | #info Support vendor listing on the website |
| 10:57 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]roviders_list_RFC | |
| 10:57 | there are no proposals added to the wiki page | |
| 10:57 | BobB | #topic cait |
| 10:57 | cait | oh |
| 10:57 | thx | |
| 10:57 | #topic Support vendor listing on the website | |
| 10:57 | Topic for #koha is now Support vendor listing on the website (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 10:57 | cait | sorry for messing up the minutes |
| 10:57 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]roviders_list_RFC | |
| 10:57 | BobB | thx for chairing! |
| 10:57 | cait | wizzyrea has added a lot of the requests by now |
| 10:57 | thd | ashimema: A problem with vote interpretation schemes is a lack of consensus amongst experts in voting theory on what the one true mathematically fair voting system would be. |
| 10:57 | cait | so i think the state of the website directory is currently up to date |
| 10:58 | are there volunteers I could #action that want to follow up on the discussion? | |
| 10:59 | ashimema | . |
| 11:00 | cait | if not |
| 11:01 | i'd like to remove this from the agenda for now | |
| 11:01 | ashimema | k |
| 11:01 | BobB | yes |
| 11:01 | cait | #info the discussion fo the suport provider list is going to be removed from the agenda for now |
| 11:02 | #topic Actions from last meeting | |
| 11:02 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 11:02 | cait | drojf send out an email - all done |
| 11:02 | #action drojf is going ot send out an email with the URL vor voting after this meeting | |
| 11:02 | #topic Next meeting | |
| 11:02 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 9 September 2015) | |
| 11:03 | BobB | #action BobB will follow up with bag re fundraising |
| 11:03 | cait | thx BobB |
| 11:03 | Suggestion: October 7 | |
| 11:04 | 20 UTC? | |
| 11:04 | BobB | just a mo' |
| 11:05 | hmm 7am, ok | |
| 11:05 | thd | I like that suggestion, as it avoids a potential conflict as I conclude work protecting a friend from eviction. |
| 11:05 | cait | ok? |
| 11:05 | not gong to start another vote :) | |
| 11:05 | ashimema | :) |
| 11:05 | magnuse | +1 |
| 11:06 | thd | +1 |
| 11:06 | cait | #info Next meeting is going to be October 7, 20 UTC |
| 11:06 | thx everyone for attending! | |
| 11:06 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:06 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 11:06 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 11:06:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:06 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-09-10.04.html | |
| 11:06 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-09-09-10.04.txt | |
| 11:06 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-10.04.log.html | |
| 11:06 | BobB | thank you cait |
| 11:07 | thd | cait: Is it common to refer to things by week number for you? |
| 11:07 | cait | yes |
| 11:08 | magnuse | here too :-) |
| 11:08 | cait | like when you try to sort out a meeting time... week 42 doesn#t work for me |
| 11:08 | it's printed on my calendar... so it's easy :) | |
| 11:08 | magnuse | and missing from google calendar - not so easy |
| 11:08 | cait | ah |
| 11:09 | another reason not to use google calendar :) | |
| 11:09 | drojf | ok i started the vote. the url is http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]hp/639452?lang=en |
| 11:09 | thd | cait: Are calendars usually shown with week numbers in Germany and Norway? |
| 11:09 | magnuse | does anyone know if the plack scripts tcohen has added play well with gitified? |
| 11:09 | drojf | end time 16 september, 12 utc? |
| 11:09 | magnuse | thd: yes, at least in norway |
| 11:09 | cait | i just checked. apparently outlook doesn't, but i think all the printed one do |
| 11:10 | hm if you send it now... is that our time now? | |
| 11:10 | magnuse | cait, thd: http://ukenr.no/ |
| 11:10 | drojf | it is 11:10 utc |
| 11:10 | cait | sounds good |
| 11:11 | drojf | ok then i'll write an email |
| 11:11 | * magnuse | voted |
| 11:12 | * cait | too |
| 11:12 | thd | cait, magnuse: Do you know of any free software calendar systems which incorporate week number? |
| 11:13 | #me suspects that week number is not part of any of the calendar data exchange protocols. | |
| 11:14 | magnuse | thd: nope, i have not looked at a lot of those |
| 11:16 | thd | I have looked at free software calendar systems in the past and never noticed week numbers a feature. However, I did not know to try to look for week numbers. |
| 11:16 | magnuse | http://www.daimto.com/how-to-a[…]-google-calendar/ :-) |
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| 11:21 | thd | magnuse: The model of week numbers used in the link you provided for Google Calendar has no consequences for data exchange, therefore, it should not be difficult to add such a feature to most any free software calendar system. |
| 11:22 | drojf | email sent |
| 11:23 | thd | cait, magnuse: Thanks greatly for broadening my cultural understanding about something I had overlooked. |
| 11:23 | magnuse | drojf++ |
| 11:23 | thd: hehe, no problem | |
| 11:24 | thd | #ME goes back to sleep :) |
| 11:26 | * thd | goes back to sleep :) |
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| 11:27 | magnuse | huh, eythian? |
| 11:27 | wahanui | i think eythian is a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says. |
| 11:40 | cait | ah sorry, i was away for espresso |
| 11:41 | nengard | morning all |
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| 11:50 | magnuse | kia ora nengard |
| 11:50 | nengard | ") |
| 11:50 | or | |
| 11:50 | :) | |
| 11:50 | hehe | |
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| 12:02 | cait | nengard: vote! :) |
| 12:02 | (13:09:14) drojf: ok i started the vote. the url is http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]hp/639452?lang=en | |
| 12:13 | nengard | will do cait |
| 12:14 | drojf | imagine i'd put general discussion of a voting scheme on the agenda for next meeting… would anyone actually think about the topic or do research and prepare something? |
| 12:15 | nengard | cait done and shared |
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| 12:17 | cait | nengard: thx! |
| 12:17 | nengard: the timeframe is only a week, so need to get it out soon and far | |
| 12:17 | nengard | eeek |
| 12:17 | okay | |
| 12:19 | mveron | hi #koha |
| 12:20 | cait | mveron: vote! hehe http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]/index.php/639452 |
| 12:21 | mveron | cait: Already done :-) |
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| 12:36 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:39 | magnuse | kia ora tcohen |
| 12:41 | cait | morning tcohen :) |
| 12:41 | vote! http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]/index.php/639452 :) | |
| 12:41 | druthb | beware of cait; she's hustling the vote today. :) |
| 12:42 | cait | hustling? |
| 12:42 | druthb | poking people to get out the vote. |
| 12:43 | cait | ah |
| 12:43 | yeah :) | |
| 12:56 | drojf | meh typo |
| 12:56 | not sending another mail | |
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| 13:00 | mario | morning |
| 13:01 | cait | morning :) vote! http://abunchofthings.net/lime[…]/index.php/639452 |
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| 13:04 | nengard | ha cait |
| 13:04 | is that an automatic reply? | |
| 13:04 | drojf | lol |
| 13:04 | nengard | retweet and share on facebook too :) |
| 13:04 | https://twitter.com/kohails/st[…]41585324725018625 | |
| 13:05 | cait | :) |
| 13:05 | * druthb | wonders if cait has been replaced by wahanui in a disguise. |
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| 13:17 | cait | :P |
| 13:17 | nengard | actually we should change the response to 'hi' or 'hello' to be 'vote; |
| 13:22 | magnuse | can someone change the topic of the #koha channel? |
| 13:25 | cait | have to run bye all! |
| 13:25 | nengard | magnuse I'm not sure how to do that |
| 13:25 | Is it just #topic | |
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| 13:37 | magnuse | nengard: i have no idea... |
| 13:37 | gotta run! | |
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| 13:51 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 13:51 | mtompset | @seen magnuse |
| 13:51 | huginn | mtompset: magnuse was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 16 seconds ago: <magnuse> gotta run! |
| 13:51 | drojf | hi mtompset |
| 13:51 | tcohen | hi |
| 13:51 | drojf | hi tcohen |
| 13:51 | mtompset | drojf: Like my amending comment on the Wiki? ;) |
| 13:51 | drojf | mtompset: indeed :D |
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| 13:58 | mtompset | I'll roll it back now. :) |
| 13:58 | drojf | so it's not real? :P |
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| 14:00 | * mtompset | gives drojf the evil eye. |
| 14:04 | drojf | heh kidding. nice to hear it's sorted out with the national library |
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| 14:09 | mtompset | And even if it wasn't (I know nothing, I am speaking hypothetically), it would still be held in Manila somewhere. |
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| 14:14 | drojf | but it wouldn't be very nice to say it's sorted out if it wasn't (speaking hypothetically) |
| 14:17 | mtompset | No it wouldn't. |
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| 14:34 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 14:34 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on September 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:38 | misilot | quick question, is there a list of compatible label printers on the wiki or in the documentation somewhere? I have done a quick search and couldn't find anything |
| 14:40 | nengard | not that i know of |
| 14:41 | misilot | thanks nengard |
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| 15:38 | nitz0 | hi ppl... |
| 15:49 | nengard | hello |
| 16:03 | pianohacker | HI nengard |
| 16:04 | nengard | hi |
| 16:11 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:43 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:22 | magnuse | huh, i was sure bug 5020 was the big https bug... |
| 17:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5020 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, on patron record sex should be gender |
| 17:25 | mtompset | 5010 |
| 17:25 | bug 5010 | |
| 17:25 | wahanui | i heard bug 5010 was scary |
| 17:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol |
| 17:26 | pianohacker | the final decision on that was to include the protocol, correct? |
| 17:26 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 17:26 | because a whole bunch of 'http://' . $OPACBaseURL; is dumb. | |
| 17:26 | and it prevents https. | |
| 17:27 | (or gopher! BRING IT BACK!) | |
| 17:27 | magnuse | thanks, mtompset |
| 17:27 | i was only off by ten then :-) | |
| 17:27 | yeah, we want gopher! | |
| 17:27 | mtompset | Someone suggested we do the same for the staff client. |
| 17:27 | I have yet to have the time to do so. | |
| 17:28 | pianohacker | rtsp://opac.koha.org/ |
| 17:28 | mtompset | Why not? :) |
| 17:29 | pianohacker | *sigh* it's sad that the biggest obstacle to that is domain ownership instead of inherent lunacy |
| 17:33 | mtompset | Oh. I was thinking you were just putting filler, not an actually attempt at something that could be real. |
| 17:36 | pianohacker | heh. mix o' both :) |
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| 19:35 | magnuse | have fun #koha |
| 19:37 | cait | @later tell wizzyrea can we put the vote on the kc website? |
| 19:37 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:06 | tcohen | hi |
| 20:07 | * cait | grumps about the post losing half of a package she sent a friend :( |
| 20:08 | pianohacker | cait: half? |
| 20:09 | cait | 2 space invader shaped erasers i sent a friend |
| 20:09 | one made it... the other not | |
| 20:14 | tcohen | half??? |
| 20:15 | cait | yeah, the envelope got teared and one of the space invaders fell out :( |
| 20:15 | * cait | is quite grumpy about that |
| 20:15 | wnickc | or, he escaped to plot his invasion. So...watch out |
| 20:15 | cait | yeah... i hope he creates chaos at some post sorting center |
| 20:17 | tcohen | maybe it blocked some important machine gears and it caused massive destruction on the post office |
| 20:18 | cait | it's mean to think that right... |
| 20:18 | but it would be very space invaderish | |
| 20:21 | :) | |
| 20:21 | tcohen | heh |
| 20:30 | i have 37 configured Koha instances sharing with HEA | |
| 20:30 | but the site only mentions 24 in Argentina :-/ | |
| 20:31 | cait | hm |
| 20:31 | tcohen | ah, i run the script again and now it worked |
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| 21:19 | tcohen | dcook: what is the status of your koha-oai-client patches? |
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| 21:45 | pianohacker | purely for another set of eyes, does anyone know why lines 88-97 of C4/Members/Attributes.pm aren't just push @results, $row? |
| 21:45 | cait | can you paste a link? |
| 21:45 | * cait | is too tired to ask git |
| 21:47 | pianohacker | cait: https://github.com/pianohacker[…]Attributes.pm#L88 |
| 21:47 | it's been that way since the beginning of that module | |
| 21:49 | cait | you should ask someone else |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | gmcharlt? |
| 21:49 | wahanui | i guess gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | he, jmf and atz are the only ones to touch it back then :) |
| 21:50 | tcohen | pianohacker: I think it is in line with the practice of making the fields retrieval explicit |
| 21:50 | we try to avoid SELECT * | |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | tcohen: true, but the explicit field retrieval is done in the select just above |
| 21:51 | tcohen | pianohacker: yes, and the JOIN |
| 21:51 | pianohacker | I'm about to add another field to that sub, and wondered why that code was there |
| 21:51 | the explicit select is good, but I _think_ the code I linked to is pointless | |
| 21:52 | cait | tcohen: from line 88 |
| 21:52 | maybe ensuring the sequence is not changed? by adding fields in between? | |
| 21:52 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: there's aliassing going on |
| 21:52 | value_description => $row->{'lib'}, | |
| 21:52 | e.g. | |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Ah! There's the rub. That's why I asked, thanks |
| 21:52 | gmcharlt | not ath one couldn't do in the aliasing in the SQL statement, I suppose |
| 21:52 | *not that | |
| 21:53 | cait | forget what i said |
| 21:53 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: I'm tempted to change it to do it with AS and change that to push @results, $row. Any reason I shouldn't? |
| 21:54 | fairly innocuous refactor to sneak in with my patch :) | |
| 21:58 | tcohen | pianohacker: if i were to touch that code in a serious way, I'd rather use DBIx if that was possible |
| 21:58 | but yeah, probably a major refactoring | |
| 21:59 | pianohacker | tcohen: yeah |
| 21:59 | I'd figure a good time for that would be when we move patron attributes to Koha::AdditionalField (if that happens) | |
| 22:02 | tcohen | pianohacker: bug 10855? |
| 22:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Additional fields for subscriptions |
| 22:02 | pianohacker | tcohen: yar |
| 22:03 | tcohen | what do u think of that feature? |
| 22:03 | pianohacker | we have a project on the queue to extend that to acquisitions baskets and funds |
| 22:03 | nitz0 | bye |
| 22:04 | pianohacker | tcohen: I think it's decent, a little quirky but good |
| 22:04 | you? | |
| 22:04 | cait | pianohacker: i think there might be a patch for orders already floating around |
| 22:04 | and subscriptions of course | |
| 22:04 | tcohen | more quirky than good, pero we can make it more useful |
| 22:05 | i mean, it is good enough for pushing, but needs some polishing | |
| 22:05 | cait | hm should have waited to put my glasses down :) |
| 22:05 | tcohen | i expect to push it soon |
| 22:05 | pianohacker | cait: ohhhh? |
| 22:06 | tcohen | cait? |
| 22:06 | wahanui | somebody said cait was regretting a bit that we didn't offer this as an option first... or on a test system for people to see |
| 22:06 | tcohen | cait? |
| 22:06 | wahanui | somebody said cait was looking for someone to qa the sip patches |
| 22:06 | * pianohacker | looks at cait expectantly |
| 22:06 | cait | bug 11844 |
| 22:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11844 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Additional fields for order lines |
| 22:06 | tcohen | cait? |
| 22:06 | wahanui | cait is working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | cait? |
| 22:07 | wahanui | i think cait is too lazy to alk over to you ;) |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | hehehe |
| 22:07 | cait | huh |
| 22:07 | where did he pick all that up | |
| 22:07 | cait? | |
| 22:07 | wahanui | you are working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step |
| 22:07 | cait | forget cait |
| 22:07 | wahanui | cait: I forgot cait |
| 22:07 | cait | there. |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | cait: yeah; we want to extend that to other parts of acquisitions |
| 22:07 | cait? | |
| 22:07 | noooo | |
| 22:07 | cait | i don't even remember which patch that was |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | pianohacker? |
| 22:07 | wahanui | I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | pianohacker? |
| 22:07 | wahanui | I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | aw |
| 22:08 | cait | pianohacker? |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | mean ol' eythian |
| 22:08 | wahanui | I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING |
| 22:08 | tcohen | wahanui: cait is cait, go to bed |
| 22:08 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 22:08 | cait | cait? |
| 22:08 | wahanui | you are, like, cait, go to bed |
| 22:08 | cait | cait? |
| 22:08 | wahanui | somebody said cait was cait, go to bed |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | hehehe |
| 22:08 | cait | forget cait |
| 22:08 | wahanui | cait: I forgot cait |
| 22:08 | cait | cais is <reply>cait, go to bed |
| 22:08 | cait? | |
| 22:08 | cais? | |
| 22:08 | wahanui | cait, go to bed |
| 22:08 | cait | hmpf |
| 22:08 | tcohen | hehe :-D |
| 22:08 | cait | now you know how it works... you can teach him |
| 22:08 | and i go to sleep :) | |
| 22:08 | tcohen | muahhahaha |
| 22:09 | cait | bye all :) |
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| 23:48 | pianohacker | @later tell tcohen The last time I was working on something that used DBIC and added new tables, I had to run the schema loader but not submit any of the results with the bug. Is that still true? |
| 23:48 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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