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| 00:32 | mtj | hey #koha |
| 00:33 | i really like the attention to facial hair in your link, rangi :0) | |
| 00:43 | oh wow, ive just clicked to what pixton actually is | |
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| 02:28 | wizzyrea | I need some frikkin RDA records, anybody have some that they'd share? |
| 02:28 | suppose I could just go find some from LoC | |
| 02:28 | dcook | What do you need specifically about them? |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | Preferably RDA native (not converted), with all of their fields |
| 02:29 | nice to have is an importable format. | |
| 02:30 | where "all of the fields" is "the fields that RDA records do differently from AACR" and where "native" means this was a new or originally catalogued RDA record. | |
| 02:31 | * dcook | has no idea :/ |
| 02:33 | cait1 | not yet |
| 02:34 | still waitin to get test data from our union catalog | |
| 02:34 | can share probably once i got some | |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | that would be sweeeeet cait1 <3 |
| 02:37 | cait1 | remind me in a week or so? |
| 02:37 | * wizzyrea | makes a note |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | cait1: because I am weird, I was trying to get huginn to schedule an alert next week (you can't do that, btw) but I noticed that you have huginn messages waiting for nicks cait: cait. and cait, |
| 02:41 | :) | |
| 02:41 | cait1 | they will be a bit german, so yo might also keep looking for other test data :) |
| 02:41 | hm can't name myself that | |
| 02:41 | nick cait, | |
| 02:41 | invaid nicks | |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | bother :) |
| 02:42 | eythian | cait1: go back to bed |
| 02:42 | wahanui | http://33.media.tumblr.com/b34[…]9rdlo1_r2_400.gif |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | best turtle. |
| 02:58 | dcook | Sometimes, I doubt my Perl skills... and then I look at some really really bad code and I feel better... and tell myself that I need to get better because there might be people who are better at coding than me who think the same thing I'm thinking now... but about my code. |
| 02:59 | This is pretty bad though... | |
| 03:02 | I suppose I was told that this script was written by someone who didn't understand the purpose of the script, so... that probably explains it a bit too | |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | a koha one? |
| 03:13 | dcook | Thankfully not :) |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 03:14 | dcook | It's a reminder though that when people say "I'm hardcoding this for now..." in a patch on Bugzilla, I should really say, "No... just... please no." |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | we should automatically create a bug like "make thing more flexible because it's hardcoded" after every one pushed like that. |
| 03:16 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:01 | eythian | authorities/authorities-list.pl is some pretty bad looking code |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea | is it making you depressed? |
| 04:25 | eythian | well, it's small, it has that going for it. |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa[…]bv.96952980,d.dGY |
| 04:26 | ew | |
| 04:26 | www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo | |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:41 | magnuse | meting in 3 hours 20 minutes? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting_8_July_2015 |
| 06:49 | * dcook | has no idea |
| 06:57 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:59 | dcook | hey magnuse :) |
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| 07:01 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:03 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:03 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:03 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:03 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:04 | dcook | salut alex_a |
| 07:04 | @wunder syd | |
| 07:04 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (4:30 PM AEST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:04 | dcook | Hmm, I could handle being in Marseille about now... |
| 07:04 | Pretty warm for 8:30am though, no? | |
| 07:13 | magnuse | yeah, it will probably get hotter... |
| 07:13 | yup, supposed to reach 32 in the middle of the day | |
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| 07:18 | dcook | Nice! |
| 07:18 | En tout cas, I have to head home! | |
| 07:20 | Ciao folks\ | |
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| 07:38 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:27 | drojf | morning |
| 08:27 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 08:27 | drojf | hei magnuse |
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| 08:57 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:57 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 20.4°C (10:56 AM CEST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:02 | magnuse | cait: not too bad, yet? |
| 09:02 | cait | it might be ok today |
| 09:03 | there was some rain last night | |
| 09:04 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 09:04 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 21.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:15 | cait | drojf: i win ;) |
| 09:16 | Joubu | Hello #koha |
| 09:19 | cait | hi Joubu :) |
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| 09:48 | indradg | kia ora #koha |
| 09:48 | @wunder Kolkata | |
| 09:48 | huginn` | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0°C (2:50 PM IST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:50 | magnuse | meeting in 10 minutes? |
| 09:51 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting_8_July_2015 | |
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| 09:55 | cait1 | huh |
| 09:58 | well... better a restart before the meeting than n the midst of it | |
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| 10:00 | cait1 | ok |
| 10:00 | everyone ready? | |
| 10:00 | thd | I could be more ready. |
| 10:00 | cait1 | #startmeeting General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015 |
| 10:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 10:00:52 2015 UTC. The chair is cait1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_july_2015' |
| 10:00 | cait1 | #topic Introductions |
| 10:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
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| 10:01 | cait1 | Please introduce your self with #info, following wahanui's example |
| 10:01 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting_8_July_2015 | |
| 10:01 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany | |
| 10:01 | Jerwyn | fist timer here |
| 10:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:01 | Brooke | welcome Jerwyn |
| 10:02 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza Rome |
| 10:02 | cait1 | welcome :) the #info will make your name show up in the list of attendees in the meeting logs |
| 10:02 | Jerwyn | hello Brooke |
| 10:02 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 10:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 10:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 10:02 | Jerwyn | #info Jerwyn Fernandez, Manila, Philippines |
| 10:03 | cait1 | i will wait a little longer |
| 10:05 | ok, let's moveon | |
| 10:05 | #topic Announcements | |
| 10:05 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:05 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:05 | khall | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 10:05 | cait1 | i knew it! heh |
| 10:06 | there is always someone just after changing the topic :) | |
| 10:06 | drojf | internet is crazy, brb |
| 10:06 | cait1 | any announcements? |
| 10:07 | Brooke | yep |
| 10:07 | If anyone's in the DC/Baltimore area mid August, there's a Code4Lib meetup | |
| 10:07 | cait1 | link? |
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| 10:08 | Brooke | not terribly useful but |
| 10:08 | #link http://wiki.code4lib.org/MDC | |
| 10:08 | cait1 | ok, let's move to the next topic |
| 10:09 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 10:09 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:09 | cait1 | i think tcohen is not here yet - quite early in argentina |
| 10:09 | any of the RMaints? | |
| 10:10 | could be a quick meeting :) | |
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| 10:10 | cait1 | afaikt everything seems to be on track |
| 10:11 | we had a security release | |
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| 10:12 | cait1 | some follow-up patches fixing some side effects of the security fixes will be in hte next releases i think |
| 10:12 | Joubu | I think 3.18.x is still buggy: not possible to add/update a vendor |
| 10:12 | cait1 | yep |
| 10:12 | there is also a proble with item search i think, but the patches are ready | |
| 10:13 | thx Joubu | |
| 10:13 | ok,moving on | |
| 10:13 | #topic KohaCon15 | |
| 10:13 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:14 | cait1 | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ |
| 10:14 | i think today there is noone here from Nigeria | |
| 10:14 | any questions or comments you want to have show up in the logs? | |
| 10:14 | Jerwyn | 3.18 - 3.20 inventory is bug |
| 10:15 | cait1 | #topic KohaCon16 |
| 10:15 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:16 | Jerwyn | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]haCon16_Proposals |
| 10:16 | thd | People from Greece have not added or not linked a detailed proposal. |
| 10:16 | Jerwyn | show Greece |
| 10:16 | cait1 | #info we got 2 bids right now, one from Aristotle Universtiy in Greece and another from National Library of the Philippines |
| 10:16 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]haCon16_Proposals | |
| 10:17 | thx Jerwyn | |
| 10:17 | thd | Anyone here from Aristotle University? |
| 10:17 | cait1 | i don't think so - but votes only open in september |
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| 10:17 | cait1 | but votes are not before september, is what i meant |
| 10:18 | #info Voting will take place in September | |
| 10:18 | maybe we could schedule something before in an irc meeting for people with questions? | |
| 10:18 | Brooke | I'm glad we have 2 bids from places we've not yet been :) |
| 10:18 | thd | At some point a reminder may be needed for Aristotle University in case they are all on holiday. |
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| 10:18 | Jerwyn | if ever can we change the venue for the National Library Kohacon2016? |
| 10:19 | cait1 | Jerwyn: i think you can still edit the wiki |
| 10:19 | Brooke | the temporary demise of their banking system is prolly a bit more pressing than a KohaCon bid at present... |
| 10:19 | cait1 | maybe add a note that it changes to be more visible |
| 10:19 | * thd | has not been following the news closely :) |
| 10:20 | cait1 | Jerwyn: do you want me to put a note in then minutes? what's the new location? |
| 10:20 | schnydszch_ | #info we're having a hard time contacting the national libeary. They seemed are busy with transferring. But we're hoping national library of phils. Cooperates |
| 10:20 | Jerwyn | got that cait they are renovating the building dont know when they will finish it. |
| 10:20 | cait1 | you can also say it might change due to renovations or something... no problem changing the bids before the voting i think |
| 10:21 | Jerwyn | cait have to check with the National Library Staff when they will finish the renovation. |
| 10:21 | schnydszch_ | #info noted cait |
| 10:21 | cait1 | #info The venue in the Philippines bid might change due to renovations of the building |
| 10:22 | schnydszch_ | #but it will still be in the national capital |
| 10:22 | Jerwyn | thanks cait |
| 10:22 | cait1 | anything else? |
| 10:22 | schnydszch_ | Or within the vicinity |
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| 10:22 | schnydszch_ | #info but it will still be in the national.capital. or within the vicinity |
| 10:23 | cait1 | ok :) |
| 10:23 | moving on then :) | |
| 10:23 | #topic Next steps in Fundraising | |
| 10:23 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps in Fundraising (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:24 | cait1 | i think first we need to take a look at the bylaws / TOR |
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| 10:24 | cait1 | is someone from the fundraising committee here? |
| 10:25 | #info bylaws = Terms of Reference | |
| 10:25 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising | |
| 10:25 | any comments? | |
| 10:26 | Brooke | I will state that I hope in future we reach out to Mozilla or similar to get ideas for our governance rather than reinventing the wheel |
| 10:26 | drojf | if there is nobody here, will we postpone it to the next meeting? |
| 10:26 | cait1 | i first want to check if htere are open questions |
| 10:27 | i will leave it up to the meeting if we have a vote, if people are comfortable we can, if there is still need for discussion, we might postpone | |
| 10:27 | khall | I think we should go ahead and vote if nobody has any questions |
| 10:27 | davidnind | Seems okay to me |
| 10:27 | thd | While I agree somewhat with Brooke, borrowing complete documents from allied communities works somewhat less well than using the GPL in common. |
| 10:27 | khall | I've read through it and it seems pretty straight forward to me |
| 10:28 | Brooke | It's missing a lot of safeguards. |
| 10:28 | cait1 | Brooke: safeguards? |
| 10:28 | Brooke | I also hope that geography and diversity will be a bit of a bigger factor next yearish |
| 10:29 | cait1 | i think it's hard to write that up - anyone can candidate |
| 10:29 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta |
| 10:29 | thd | Brooke: what safeguards would be helpful apart from the issue of encouraging diversity? |
| 10:30 | khall | cait1: is correct, these are simply the people who volunteered for the job |
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| 10:32 | cait1 | Brooke? |
| 10:32 | wahanui | I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag. |
| 10:32 | drojf | sorry my wifi hates me |
| 10:32 | khall | Brook, can you be more specific? |
| 10:32 | Brooke: ^ | |
| 10:32 | Brooke | sorry I'm having a discussion on the side. |
| 10:33 | Yes, specifically I'm worried that our bylaws are not strong enough on conflicts of interest, and I would like to see that bit flushed out much more. | |
| 10:33 | khall | Brooke: in what way? |
| 10:33 | Brooke | I am not saying don't vote, I'm just saying I hope that people take the process as one of continuous improvement. |
| 10:34 | khall | Brooke: absolutely, continuous improvement is what we're all about ; ) |
| 10:34 | thd | If the vote is delayed currently then there should be further opportunity to propose changes before first use. |
| 10:34 | cait1 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]licts_of_Interest |
| 10:35 | #idea improve paragraph on 'conflict of interest' | |
| 10:35 | khall | If there are no questions, shall we vote then? |
| 10:36 | cait1 | first i'd like to ask: is there anyone here opposed to voting today? |
| 10:36 | davidnind | There has been over a month already to provide feedback, more time allowed at last general meeting.. |
| 10:36 | cait1 | i am preparing the vote statement now, giving you b it more time |
| 10:36 | always need a bit to get that right | |
| 10:37 | indradg | dumb question - membership means a member of the fundraising committee? |
| 10:37 | cait1 | ... and it needs to be phrased as a question |
| 10:37 | i'd say so | |
| 10:37 | khall | indradg: that is correct |
| 10:37 | Brooke | yep |
| 10:37 | cait1 | Committee members shall be elected via vote in a Koha General Meeting |
| 10:37 | indradg | ok |
| 10:38 | cait1 | can someone help me phrase that vote as a question that makes sense? :) |
| 10:38 | khall | how about "Do we approve the International Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Terms of Reference?" |
| 10:39 | cait1: the signatories were already approved in a previous vote, correct? | |
| 10:39 | cait1 | not quie |
| 10:39 | with one exception | |
| 10:39 | paul_p added his name after the initial election | |
| 10:40 | khall | ok, let's cast a bigger net |
| 10:40 | cait1 | so he has not been elected |
| 10:40 | schnydszch_ | I move that we vote on the international koha fund raising committee term of reference |
| 10:40 | cait1 | schnydszch working on it, one more moment please |
| 10:40 | khall | "Do we approve the Fundraising Commitee and International Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Terms of Reference?" |
| 10:40 | cait1 | #vote Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Bylaws/Terms of Reference as stated on the wiki today. Do you approve? (yes,no) |
| 10:40 | schnydszch_ | my bad.. |
| 10:40 | cait1 | hm |
| 10:41 | that wasn't it | |
| 10:41 | thd | I have a question. |
| 10:41 | cait1 | #vote Do you approve of the Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Bylaws/Terms of Reference as stated on the wiki today? |
| 10:41 | yes? | |
| 10:41 | and please help me get the vote started someone... | |
| 10:41 | indradg | #vote yes |
| 10:41 | Jerwyn | #vote yes |
| 10:41 | schnydszch_ | #vote yes |
| 10:41 | cait1 | sorry, it's not started correctly yet |
| 10:41 | i will have it now | |
| 10:42 | thd: your question? | |
| 10:42 | thd | How would the conflict of interest clause not affect most members thus preventing a quarum? |
| 10:42 | cait1 | yeah, i think that's a problem :) |
| 10:42 | #startvote Do you approve of the Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Bylaws/Terms of Reference as stated on the wiki today? | |
| 10:42 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Do you approve of the Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Bylaws/Terms of Reference as stated on the wiki today? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 10:42 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 10:42 | cait1 | ok, now please bote |
| 10:42 | vote | |
| 10:42 | khall | #vote yes |
| 10:42 | thd | no |
| 10:42 | schnydszch_ | #vote yes |
| 10:42 | davidnind | #vote yes |
| 10:42 | thd | #vote no |
| 10:42 | Jerwyn | #vote yes |
| 10:43 | magnuse | #vote yes |
| 10:44 | cait1 | #vote abstain |
| 10:45 | indradg | #vote abstain |
| 10:45 | cait1 | i am giving this a bit longer to make sure everyone has voted |
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| 10:46 | drojf | grr |
| 10:46 | cait1 | could someone look for the link to the email thread about the support vendor listing meanwhile? |
| 10:46 | drojf: vote is still open | |
| 10:46 | drojf | let me check the log what we are voring on :) |
| 10:47 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 10:47 | mtj | #vote yes |
| 10:47 | drojf | #vote abstain |
| 10:47 | cait1 | the abstains are not counted by the bot, but will note them in the minutes |
| 10:47 | drojf | cait1: thanks for waiting btw :) |
| 10:47 | cait1 | ending the vote now |
| 10:48 | #endvote | |
| 10:48 | * mtj | waves from his fone |
| 10:48 | huginn` | Voted on "Do you approve of the Koha Fund Fundraising Committee Bylaws/Terms of Reference as stated on the wiki today?" Results are |
| 10:48 | cait1 | hm no results... |
| 10:48 | indradg | bug? |
| 10:48 | wahanui | bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber |
| 10:49 | cait1 | #agreed. Results of the vote are: yes (6), no (1), abstain (3) |
| 10:49 | i hope i have counted correctly | |
| 10:49 | please check | |
| 10:49 | khall: i suggest we add voting on paul_p to the next agenda? | |
| 10:49 | khall | cait1: I will double check |
| 10:49 | cait1 | he isn't around |
| 10:50 | and it seems not time criticial | |
| 10:50 | khall | cait1: is there a specific reason, or just that he's not around? |
| 10:51 | cait1 | maybe just that it's not been on th eagenda :) |
| 10:51 | i always feel a bit uncomfortable doing votes that haven't been announced | |
| 10:51 | davidnind | the figures add up ! |
| 10:51 | cait1 | thx davidnind |
| 10:51 | khall | that's fine by me, like you said, probably not time critical |
| 10:51 | cait1 | i will add an action |
| 10:52 | #action cait to add voting on Paul P for the fundraising committee to the next agenda | |
| 10:52 | ok, moving on? | |
| 10:52 | drojf | a general remark: i would like to see people attend the meetings if they want the meeting to vote on things. |
| 10:53 | cait1 | i second that... it would be a lot easier with someone involved around to answer questions and comments |
| 10:53 | khall | let's vote on it! |
| 10:53 | ; ) | |
| 10:53 | cait1 | #topic Support vendor listing on the website |
| 10:53 | Topic for #koha is now Support vendor listing on the website (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 10:54 | cait1 | does someone have th elink to the email thread? |
| 10:54 | Brooke | I want to keep it. It's one of the most frequently asked questions. |
| 10:54 | cait1 | I often refer to it too... so I would like to have something like that at least |
| 10:54 | but i can understand the problems that have been raised | |
| 10:54 | khall | cait1: did you find a link to the mailing list thread? |
| 10:55 | cait1 | not yet |
| 10:55 | davidnind | still looking.. |
| 10:55 | cait1 | got it |
| 10:55 | #link https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-July/043138.html | |
| 10:55 | davidnind | https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-July/043138.html |
| 10:55 | cait1 | so far we have i think 2 ideas |
| 10:55 | davidnind | I'm too slow! |
| 10:56 | cait1 | #idea proposal to remove the 'paid support' list |
| 10:56 | #idea move the 'paid support' list to the wiki | |
| 10:56 | magnuse | i think "koha has 40+ support companies all over the world" is something of a unique selling point for koha, so i'd like to keep it, in some form |
| 10:56 | moving it to the wiki sounds good to me | |
| 10:56 | mtj | Me too |
| 10:56 | drojf | moving it to the wiki sounds bad to me |
| 10:57 | cait1 | it's also more neutral if you can say other vendors can be found there... instead of having to give someone a list or maintain one yourself |
| 10:57 | drojf | if it is all evil now, why would it be ny good in the wiki? |
| 10:57 | any | |
| 10:57 | cait1 | i think the idea was to have it less official there |
| 10:57 | magnuse | i don't think it is all evil now |
| 10:57 | davidnind | I think it should be kept, I think it is clear to me that there is no 'official support providers' |
| 10:57 | magnuse | yeah, the wiki would be less official |
| 10:57 | indradg | we have a baby and bathwater problem |
| 10:58 | Brooke | nope, we have a tempest in a teapot problem. :P |
| 10:58 | cait1 | stop confusing the chair please |
| 10:58 | davidnind | I am happy to help maintain if more help is required - the criteria are quite clear, and what it means is quite clear as well |
| 10:58 | drojf | i think it is not my problem if people consider it an official list, why it says otherwise. i don't care. it's not the lists fault |
| 10:58 | schnydszch | there should be a disclaimer in the wiki that it is not an official list |
| 10:59 | cait1 | i think one of the problems raised was possible legal issues removing a company that no longer links back or offers koha services |
| 10:59 | Brooke | anyway, I think we basically have some of this information redundantly on the wiki since the Users' pages sometimes have a vendor included in the table for the installation sites. |
| 10:59 | drojf | what i find problematic is all the maintining work and what comes with it. people getting insulted and so on |
| 10:59 | khall | It seems that moving it to the wiki is the best middle ground idea. I |
| 10:59 | thd | Is there a claim that the website listings are not being updated quickly enough? |
| 10:59 | khall | thd: vendors are using the website listing as proof they are an 'official' Koha vendor |
| 10:59 | cait1 | #link http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
| 10:59 | drojf | and moving it to the wiki would just move the craziness. do we want to have edit wars there because some people can't behave? |
| 10:59 | schnydszch | and so is the current koha support list page |
| 10:59 | cait1 | please note that there is a disclaimer already, but people still seem not to read it... |
| 11:00 | indradg | khall: not just the vendors, even the end users are looking at it as official list |
| 11:00 | Brooke | we can't be responsible for folks just not reading. |
| 11:00 | drojf | if it is in the wiki, it is the official list in the wiki, for those who want it to be |
| 11:00 | khall | From Tomas: |
| 11:00 | Some places, notably India and others, expect some kind of | |
| 11:00 | official certification for service providers, and people are referring to | |
| 11:00 | being listed on the site as a way to certify their validation as service | |
| 11:00 | providers. | |
| 11:00 | drojf | khall: and they will refer to the wiki from then on |
| 11:00 | khall | The list is being abused, simply put |
| 11:00 | drojf | i don't see any win |
| 11:00 | thd | khall: I recognise the previous complaint from indradg . |
| 11:01 | khall | A wiki is specifically editable by anyone, so in my mind it loses a lot of "status" |
| 11:01 | drojf | if we don't want to keep it, i'd say delete it, link to the dashboard, done |
| 11:01 | khall: what status does the other list have in your mind? | |
| 11:01 | khall | drojf: "other list"? |
| 11:01 | cait1 | from our current disclamer: "Inclusion on this directory implies no “official” status whatsoever. Any organization who claims to be an “official” Koha support provider is misrepresenting their relationship to the Koha project." |
| 11:01 | drojf | khall: the list now, as it is. and compare that to others peoples minds that are the problem right now ;) |
| 11:02 | mtj | Drojf. You have a better idea than the wiki? |
| 11:02 | Brooke | I've to go to work. Cheers, folks. |
| 11:02 | drojf | mtj link to the dashboard to find companies that contribute |
| 11:02 | khall | the problem is we all have the "curse of knowledge" in regards to what the list really is |
| 11:02 | thd | I think that a stronger disclaimer on the website would be better than relying solely upon the wiki. |
| 11:03 | cait1 | might lead to a lot of typo fixes heh |
| 11:03 | davidnind: i read you#d be willing to help out? | |
| 11:03 | Jerwyn | actually I registered our company to be put in the list. For some reasons the paid support maintaining body is not updating it. On the contrary I have no problem with it. :) |
| 11:03 | drojf | i really do not see how moving it to a different place will change anything for those that don't understand what the list now is. it will be exactly the same. plus people editing each others entries |
| 11:03 | khall | I also don't think lines of code is a good single-factor way of saying who's contributing |
| 11:04 | for example, the entire manual done by nicole | |
| 11:04 | mtj | Drojf. Ah OK. Sorry.. Irc is laggy |
| 11:04 | drojf | true |
| 11:04 | schnydszch | i second the motion khall |
| 11:04 | khall | and what about when one company hires another? Case in point, the elastic search development |
| 11:04 | cait1 | also companies are different size/offer differnt things |
| 11:04 | we don't have a full time koha dev... but we are still involved | |
| 11:04 | thd | Relying solely on the wiki may lead to the opposite impression of an official endorsement ... namely no presumption that possible wiki spammers have been excluded. |
| 11:04 | davidnind | I would be happy to help with requests. I think it is better to keep list as it is - to make sure that at least the criteria for listing are met. |
| 11:04 | cait1 | just doens't show in lines of code |
| 11:05 | khall | plus it ignores all the support everyone gives on the mailing list gratis |
| 11:05 | schnydszch | you certainly hit it khall. |
| 11:05 | cait1 | #action davidnind is volunteering to help out maintaining the current list |
| 11:05 | davidnind | Having a dashboard of contributors would also help - this could be linked from the paid support providers list |
| 11:05 | cait1 | davidnind: could you maybe get in contact with wizzyrea about this? |
| 11:05 | davidnind | cait1: will do |
| 11:06 | indradg | davidnind: vendors wanting to get listed are complying when listing up. Once done, the pages are being changed to reflect an alternate 'reality'. Are we ready to police that? |
| 11:06 | drojf | true. but does that actually change anything in reality? who does the manual, who does support on the list? bywater is certainly in the dashboard, so are others. how many companies are there that exclusively answer questions on the list? |
| 11:06 | (and do not a single signoff, for example) | |
| 11:07 | thd | davidnind: What would a dashboard be? |
| 11:07 | schnydszch | and how about those people who asked other people directly and not directly in in Koha community? gratis and that's how other people who have known other Koha people ask and goes into Koha |
| 11:07 | drojf | not saying it is the best possible idea. just trying to think in a direction away from what we have now |
| 11:07 | davidnind | As part of maintaining the list, could have a regular review of those listed e.g. annually |
| 11:07 | cait1 | #idea a dashboard showing contributions/contributors instead |
| 11:08 | Jerwyn | should be a least quarterly |
| 11:08 | drojf | Jerwyn: are you volunteering? |
| 11:08 | davidnind | thd: proposal for a dashboard to show the organisations/individuals are contributing to Koha development |
| 11:09 | khall | I don't know if this is a terrible idea, but maybe there could be a registration fee paid to some entity and that entity would use the money to do the 'policing'. I don't think we're ready for that yet |
| 11:09 | cait1 | khall: maybe once we get the fundraising sorted... |
| 11:09 | khall | cait1: agreed |
| 11:09 | Jerwyn | drokf: can be |
| 11:09 | cait1 | also it seems a bit contrary to our basic principles hm |
| 11:09 | drojf | when people pay they are entitled to be listed. or do you want to make them pay for the check and not list then? |
| 11:09 | davidnind | khall; probably a terrible idea, don't think we are ready for that |
| 11:09 | thd | Any attempt to objectively quantify contributions will ultimately be necessarily unfair and an extremely poor substitute for investigation on the part of libraries wanting services. |
| 11:10 | khall | cait1: yes, it's kind of an icky thought, but would solve all the problems |
| 11:10 | cait1 | khall: not sure, some will happily pay and still be evil :) |
| 11:10 | khall | thd: I definitely agree |
| 11:10 | cait1: but at least they will be evil within the rules ; ) | |
| 11:11 | thd | A dashboard is what people at LibLime introduced in 2009? as a means of diminishing their competitors unfairly. |
| 11:11 | cait1 | i think it was the reason we said we have a low barrier and not many checks - it's just too hard to judge failry |
| 11:11 | Jerwyn | #idea let the paid support donate something from the community fundraising |
| 11:11 | davidnind | I think the dashboard idea was so that this could more easily verify vendors claims that they 'contribute extensively' to Koha development |
| 11:11 | mtj | A dashboard is great. But its a different thing than a vendor list |
| 11:12 | davidnind | mtj: agreed, complementary but different, and for different purposes |
| 11:12 | mtj | It doesn't help someone find koha support in their area |
| 11:12 | khall | davidnind: I'm generally be down with the idea in that sense, but mtj is right |
| 11:12 | schnydszch | thd like what I've said how can you quantify gratis answers from people who asked you, that instead of focusing with primary work, you answer their questions even though you already told them that there is this koha community |
| 11:12 | thd | davidnind: The idea of a dashboard is only good in abstract principle. There is no practise which would not lead to even unintended unfairness. |
| 11:13 | cait1 | i tend to agree, such a think would be really hard to get right |
| 11:13 | davidnind | How do we come some conclusion/way forward for this? |
| 11:14 | cait1 | good question |
| 11:14 | thd | There are some problems for which the possible remedies are worse than the problem itself. |
| 11:14 | cait1 | we have collected some ideas |
| 11:14 | khall | indeed, I think we have three options at the moment |
| 11:14 | 1) Do nothing | |
| 11:14 | cait1 | maybe a next step would be to flesh them out on the wiki ? |
| 11:14 | khall | 2) Delete it |
| 11:14 | 3) Move it to the wiki | |
| 11:14 | mtj | We should at least try a wiki method. If we have problems. Then do dething else |
| 11:14 | cait1 | #idea keep it like it is - some help in maintaining it was offered |
| 11:15 | khall | do we have any more ideas of merit that are actionable? |
| 11:15 | indradg | #idea - a compromise: move the list to wiki... anyone can edit and place their names on it. And website links to dashboard. |
| 11:15 | thd | Would adding a wiki page redundantly be helpful? |
| 11:15 | khall | Right now I count 45 listings |
| 11:16 | drojf | i get junk mails from india now because of that list, btw. »I hope this email finds you in good health and high spirits. We're a team of creative geeks based out in India!!« |
| 11:16 | Joubu | $ |
| 11:16 | * Joubu | should not clean his kb... |
| 11:16 | cait1 | a downside of the wiki might be that all we can do is sort alphabetically... maybe list by region |
| 11:16 | khall | really, policing that many wouldn't be super difficult, except for the language barrier, which is a very high barrier itself |
| 11:16 | davidnind | My suggestion: continue to maintain the list with more help and make sure vendors meet the criteria; add RFC to wiki to flesh out the ideas suggested here |
| 11:17 | drojf | davidnind: +1 |
| 11:17 | cait1 | yep that sounds good |
| 11:17 | i thik a list of options for the next meeting | |
| 11:17 | and maybe we can then make a decision | |
| 11:17 | thd | Would adding a wiki page redundantly be helpful in addition to having the same content also in a web page which has been checked for spammers more completely? |
| 11:17 | cait1 | does that sound ok? |
| 11:17 | indradg | khall: India has has the highest number of listed vendors, at least 3 - 4 are pending inclusion and more are ready to pop up |
| 11:17 | drojf | thd: have the same list twice? or am i misunderstanding? |
| 11:18 | khall | in that case I think we'll need a team of watchers who cover all the languages those websites are available in |
| 11:18 | thd | yes droijf |
| 11:18 | cait1 | i like thelively discussion |
| 11:18 | davidnind | I don't think you would want two lists |
| 11:18 | thd | yes drojf |
| 11:18 | drojf | thd: then we have all prossible problems of both places |
| 11:18 | cait1 | but i think we need to move on now to get this meeting to an end at some point :) |
| 11:18 | drojf | all the work with the maintained list and the edit wars ;) |
| 11:19 | davidnind | cait1: agreed |
| 11:19 | cait1 | #action Everyone to help add a list of options on how to proceed with the vendor listing to the wiki for the next meeting |
| 11:19 | davidnind++ for your offer of helping out - thx! | |
| 11:19 | thd | drojf: I agree with your argument that redundancy would be bad. |
| 11:19 | cait1 | i will try to start an agenda later - please feel free to add to it! |
| 11:20 | khall | #idea a team of volunteers covering all the languages needed to review the websites periodically |
| 11:20 | cait1 | i will just try to give a starting point to make it easier for you all |
| 11:20 | to go in and add | |
| 11:20 | ok, moving on | |
| 11:20 | #topic GBSD | |
| 11:20 | Topic for #koha is now GBSD (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 11:21 | cait1 | i had proposed to magnuse to have another gbsd, maybe in combination with a qa sprint |
| 11:22 | but we are both in doubt a bit, because: The last Global Bug Squashing Days have not generated a lot of signoffs. Why? How can we get more people excited and ready to contribute? | |
| 11:22 | citing from the wiki | |
| 11:22 | magnuse: still there? | |
| 11:22 | wahanui | there is no way to add items to a list? |
| 11:22 | drojf | wahanui: what? |
| 11:22 | wahanui | drojf: wish i knew |
| 11:23 | cait1 | now everyone has gone quiet heh |
| 11:23 | i think the gbsd in the evergreen community seems to be a bit more successful right now | |
| 11:24 | khall | cait1: any idea what they are doing that we aren't? |
| 11:24 | cait1 | but i haven't checked how they are exactly organized |
| 11:24 | not yet | |
| 11:24 | thd | What is done differently with Evergreen GBSDs? |
| 11:24 | cait1 | #idea have people suggest bugs they want to test beforehand and make sure they apply/are sandbox ready |
| 11:24 | drojf | khall: take part? :P |
| 11:25 | khall | lol |
| 11:26 | drojf | apart from announcements i did not have much of a GBSD feeling the last times. did not seem that people are really doing this together, they just continued to do everyday work |
| 11:26 | cait1 | it doesn't look really different - maybe it#s just newer, getting more attention? |
| 11:26 | #link http://evergreen-ils.org/everg[…]ug-squashing-day/ | |
| 11:26 | drojf: yeah... but how can we change that? | |
| 11:26 | another diea maybe | |
| 11:26 | davidnind | My thought is it depends on the underlying purpose: encourage contribution (including coaching new participants) or getting things done -- or both |
| 11:27 | cait1 | #idea offer a beginners tutorial on that day - like helping people set up a kohadevbox |
| 11:27 | thd | davidnind++ |
| 11:27 | indradg | cait1++ for the idea |
| 11:27 | davidnind | Should it be made regular event? e.g. every month, or six weeks |
| 11:28 | khall | cait1: one thing of note I see are they set up pre-configured sandboxes by request beforehand |
| 11:28 | cait1 | #idea encourage contribution - including coaching new participants |
| 11:28 | davidnind | cait1++ |
| 11:28 | cait1 | khall: yeah, something we could do too i think - maybe elastic, accounts rewrite etc. |
| 11:28 | that could get people to come out a bit more | |
| 11:28 | khall | cait1: I think I can help with that, I was already planning a server with many preconfigured test sites |
| 11:29 | assuming I can convince larry to give me more disk space ; ) | |
| 11:29 | schnydszch | those are goof ideas cait, i want to attend GBSD in e the near future |
| 11:29 | cait1 | #idea set up pre-configured sandboxes beforehand |
| 11:29 | schnydszch :) | |
| 11:29 | khall | I can spin up a test site with the default sample data and a bug applied right quick |
| 11:30 | schnydszch | great ideas |
| 11:30 | khall | but it won't have any ability to add a sign off until I write that part |
| 11:30 | cait1 | khall: we have some sandboxes where you can do that - maybe you could use the code |
| 11:30 | Jerwyn_ joined #koha | |
| 11:30 | khall | but I imagine I can steal that code out of biblibre's sandbox code |
| 11:30 | cait1 | i think it's in our gneeral repo, the sandbox stuff |
| 11:30 | khall | excellent |
| 11:31 | cait1 | might be worth checking if it's the most current version, but i think i saw it there |
| 11:31 | also ashimema and Joubu might be able to give pointers | |
| 11:31 | drojf | it is in there |
| 11:31 | cait1 | so people are in favour of trying again with the GBSD? :) |
| 11:31 | Joubu | yes repo contrib |
| 11:31 | indradg | yep! |
| 11:31 | cait1: +1 | |
| 11:32 | davidnind | yes |
| 11:32 | thd | Maybe I should comment on why I have never participated in a GBSD. |
| 11:32 | cait1 | i think i could try and get people to add some 'events' - like find someone to run a tutorial |
| 11:32 | khall | pelase do |
| 11:32 | cait1 | not sure i could run one myself |
| 11:32 | khall | cait1: are you meaning virtual? |
| 11:33 | thd | I do not do real time programming well, however, there may be other tasks which could engage me on such days. |
| 11:33 | schnydszch | dumb question with the bug list, is there a way by browsing by bug number, not by category then bug nos. and I approve for another GBSD |
| 11:33 | cait1 | but it might get early august then for a date - as I don't have a lot of time currently |
| 11:33 | schnydszch sorry, not sure i understand | |
| 11:34 | khall | I'd be willing to do a virtual bootcamp over gotomeeting or whatever is available |
| 11:34 | schnydszch | browsing of bugs in http://bugs.koha-community.org/ wherein you can browse from the latest bug number, regardless of component |
| 11:35 | cait1 | hm what i have is a saved search for all open |
| 11:35 | and then sort by bug number | |
| 11:35 | Jerwyn_ | +1 to virtual bootcamp |
| 11:35 | drojf | khall: i may or may not do a second try with a webinar software, which we could use for stuff like that. i had some technical difficulties the last time though |
| 11:35 | khall | cait1: for the sandbox stuff we need a form somehwere like this: https://docs.google.com/forms/[…]YF3MUm8Y/viewform |
| 11:35 | cait1 | i think that might be the easiest way |
| 11:35 | #action khall to run a virtual bootcamp during GBSD | |
| 11:35 | schnydszch | ok thanks cait, i'll take note of that |
| 11:35 | khall | cait1: if we could get more bootcamp volunteers to get better timezone coverage that would be best |
| 11:36 | cait1 | khall: we can do a google doc or an etherpad |
| 11:36 | schnydszch | +2 to vitual bootcamp |
| 11:36 | cait1 | maybe |
| 11:36 | and also ask on the mailing list | |
| 11:36 | #idea run a webinar | |
| 11:37 | thx all for the enthusiasm and offering help :) | |
| 11:37 | would the first week of august work as a first idea for this? | |
| 11:37 | i know we are running into vacation time in europe... but i guess hard to avoid running into vacation time somewhere | |
| 11:38 | drojf | i just wanted to say that august is probably not great for europe… |
| 11:38 | khall | early august is bad for me and bywater peeps in general |
| 11:38 | cait1 | ah |
| 11:38 | hm | |
| 11:38 | another proposal? | |
| 11:38 | khall | we have KohaNA and then a ByWater staff retreat |
| 11:38 | schnydszch | i'm in europe, but I approve august, no vacation for me |
| 11:39 | cait1 | last week of july maybe? |
| 11:39 | drojf | too soon maybe |
| 11:39 | cait1 | the last 2 weeks of august are bad for me... but that of course shouldn#t stop anyone from squashing bugs :) |
| 11:39 | drojf | if you want to get new people involved |
| 11:39 | cait1 | just a bit hard to be there then |
| 11:39 | khall | how about late august? |
| 11:39 | sorry cait1 didn't see your comment | |
| 11:40 | cait1 | that's alright |
| 11:40 | khall | what about early september? |
| 11:40 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 11:40 | drojf | when is kohacon? |
| 11:40 | Jerwyn_ | last week of july |
| 11:40 | khall | that would give me plenty of time to figure out my sandbox stuff |
| 11:40 | cait1 | i could try to help organizing, but probably wouldn't make it to attend - so someone should be there to see things go smoothly |
| 11:40 | drojf: october :) | |
| 11:40 | drojf | then i'd say early september too |
| 11:40 | cait1 | with early september we are running a bit close to the deadlines... but it should still work |
| 11:40 | ok | |
| 11:40 | schnydszch | early september |
| 11:41 | cait1 | #idea have a GBSD event early september |
| 11:41 | indradg | +1 for early september |
| 11:41 | thd | early September++ |
| 11:42 | cait1 | ok, let's try to keep this one moving :) |
| 11:42 | #action cait to send an email proposing a date early september and asking for tutorials on the list | |
| 11:42 | Jerwyn_ | first week of September would do |
| 11:42 | cait1 | i think picking bugs needs to be a bit closer to the date probably |
| 11:42 | indradg | yes |
| 11:42 | cait1 | but we could get some general thins on the agenda early on |
| 11:43 | moving on? | |
| 11:43 | Jerwyn_ | + |
| 11:43 | cait1 | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 11:43 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 11:43 | cait1 | just reading the bylaws - which we hopefully have done before voting |
| 11:43 | #info all done | |
| 11:43 | #topic Next meeting | |
| 11:43 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) | |
| 11:43 | thd | Would we not pick a date for GBSD? |
| 11:44 | davidnind | Recent meetings: 8 April 2015 19:00 UTC -- 6 May 2015 10:00 UTC -- 10 June 2015 20:00 UTC -- 8 July 2015 10:00 UTC |
| 11:44 | cait1 | we could do it now and i'd run it then on the mailing list |
| 11:44 | what about wednesdays? | |
| 11:44 | any day preference? | |
| 11:44 | Jerwyn_ | cant on wednesday |
| 11:44 | cait1 | fridays? |
| 11:44 | wahanui | fridays are too difficult heh |
| 11:45 | Jerwyn_ | Thursday |
| 11:45 | khall | any weekday should work for me |
| 11:45 | cait1 | thursday sounds good |
| 11:45 | khall | September 3 then? |
| 11:45 | schnydszch | thursday +1 |
| 11:45 | cait1 | i am not going to do the vote thing again,... but september 3rd please vote :) |
| 11:45 | +1 | |
| 11:45 | thd | What day of the week has been usual for Koha GBSDs? |
| 11:45 | Jerwyn_ | September 3 +1 |
| 11:46 | khall | +1 |
| 11:46 | cait1 | ithink we had different days |
| 11:46 | but haven't checked closely | |
| 11:46 | davidnind | +1 |
| 11:46 | schnydszch | +1 Sept. 3 |
| 11:46 | thd | 3 Sep. +1 |
| 11:46 | khall | afk |
| 11:46 | cait1 | #agreed Proposed date for the next GBSD is September 3rd - suggestions and help organising welcome! |
| 11:46 | Jerwyn_ | sorry to ask in what time? |
| 11:47 | cait1 | usually they run the full day |
| 11:47 | in whatever time zone | |
| 11:47 | what we could do this time with the tuturials is set some specific times | |
| 11:47 | schnydszch | start time? for the tuts |
| 11:47 | cait1 | so there are some events during the day maybe |
| 11:47 | Jerwyn_ | I mean for the virtual bootcamp |
| 11:47 | cait1 | i tihnk it would depend on the one doing it |
| 11:47 | Jerwyn_ | will just wait for further announcements |
| 11:48 | cait1 | next meeting is 20 utc i think |
| 11:48 | august 5th or 6th maybe? | |
| 11:49 | Jerwyn_ | 6th |
| 11:49 | cait1 | quick, people :) |
| 11:49 | Jerwyn_ | still Thursday |
| 11:49 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 11:49 | davidnind | Wednesday 5th |
| 11:49 | thd | Have we skipped old business? |
| 11:50 | cait1 | nope, therw as no old business according to the meeting logs |
| 11:50 | schnydszch | vote for 6th |
| 11:50 | cait1 | quick vote please - 5th or 6th |
| 11:50 | now | |
| 11:50 | you got a minute :) | |
| 11:50 | Jerwyn_ | 6th for me |
| 11:50 | thd | Wed. 5th |
| 11:50 | cait1 | 6th +1 |
| 11:50 | davidnind | vote for the 5th to keep consistent |
| 11:51 | thd | I prefer not the first Wed. |
| 11:51 | cait1 | hm - that#s a point |
| 11:51 | davidnind | otherwise up to the chair |
| 11:51 | thd | I prefer 12th |
| 11:51 | davidnind | generally try to have in the first week of the month |
| 11:51 | cait1 | i'd like to keep the distance not too long as it seems lots to discuss recently |
| 11:52 | i am going with 5th - the consistency got me (being QA and all..) | |
| 11:52 | #info next meeting will take place on Wednesday, 5 August, 20 UTC | |
| 11:52 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:52 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 11:52 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 11:52:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:52 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-08-10.00.html | |
| 11:52 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-07-08-10.00.txt | |
| 11:52 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]08-10.00.log.html | |
| 11:52 | davidnind | cait++ thanks for chairing the meeting, |
| 11:52 | cait1 | thx all for attending! |
| 11:53 | davidnind: got quite late for you davidnind - thanks for staying around :) | |
| 11:53 | Jerwyn_ | I always have bible studies every wed's |
| 11:53 | nice meeting you guys! | |
| 11:53 | davidnind | I'm normally up this late, so not too bad |
| 11:54 | * thd | did not sleep the night before. |
| 11:54 | Jerwyn_ | we just have typhoon here in the Philippines that is why I was able to attend today.. :) |
| 11:54 | davidnind | I think as soon as you say it will be a quick meeting, it isn't.. |
| 11:54 | cait1 | heh yeah |
| 11:54 | i should bite my tongue next time | |
| 11:55 | Jerwyn_: thx for attending :) | |
| 11:55 | davidnind | Jerwyn_: that doesn't sound good |
| 11:56 | Jerwyn_ | cait1: until next time :) |
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| 11:56 | thd | caitl: On a trivial note maybe you missed advancing the agenda for the meeting log to picking a date and time for next meeting. |
| 11:56 | Jerwyn_ | davidnid: yeah its been raining for almost a week |
| 11:57 | cait1 | thd: hm i think i did |
| 11:57 | (13:43:49) huginn` hat das Thema zu Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 8 July 2015) abgeändert | |
| 11:57 | davidnind | Jerwyn_: stay safe |
| 11:58 | Jerwyn_ | davidnin: thanks man |
| 11:58 | thd | I hope to be faster with an announcement for the next meeting ... |
| 12:00 | ... I have been helping a friend avoid eviction and will resume working on the wiki when he seems safe from eviction which may not be until mid-August. | |
| 12:14 | drojf | cait++ # chair stuff |
| 12:18 | thd | Sleep at last. |
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| 12:25 | tcohen | morning #koha! |
| 12:35 | * magnuse | apologizes for disappearing |
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| 12:39 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
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| 12:55 | barton | I wonder if it would be possible to add a script to huginn` which woujld look for new nicks (perhaps after a few days on #koha) and send a @later inviting the new member to put their nick and name on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
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| 13:29 | JRJML_Director | so yeah. our library used to have two branches and one of them is now closed. what do i do with all these notices and slips? |
| 13:29 | i've basically got 3 copies of every one. one for my branch, one for the old branch, and one for "all libraries" | |
| 13:30 | theoretically i could remove everything and keep the "all libraries" | |
| 13:31 | is that correct? | |
| 13:36 | tcohen | can anyone from the QA team take a look at 14453? |
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| 13:46 | tcohen | back |
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| 14:19 | cait1 | bug 14453 |
| 14:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14453 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , kohaidx is missing for id in authority-koha-indexdefs.xml |
| 14:20 | cait1 | khall: do you have a moment for that maybe? |
| 14:20 | khall | sure! |
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| 14:45 | AmitG | heya indradg |
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| 14:52 | tcohen | hi AmitG |
| 14:54 | AmitG | hi tcohen |
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| 15:01 | barton | indradg: I just ran across the vim buffer where I was looking at C4/Circulation.pm -- did you figure out what you needed with regard to the message transport types? |
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| 15:24 | JRJML_Director | So. Trying to generate printed 60 day notices |
| 15:24 | i have the trigger set, i have a notice template set | |
| 15:25 | what other magic tricks do we have to do to get this stuff to actually print. | |
| 15:26 | where does koha know which printer to use? how does it all work? | |
| 15:26 | oh ok. my IT guy says you have to put a command line to printoverdues.sh | |
| 15:28 | we want to know the exact definition where to specify the notices directory for sending these jobs to a queue so we can make a script to print from that directory | |
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| 15:46 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:47 | nengard: Did you see my comment on bug 12329? | |
| 15:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Inventory setting date last seen to 0 |
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| 15:47 | mtompset | @seen nengard |
| 15:47 | huginn` | mtompset: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 day, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <nengard> hola #koha |
| 15:47 | nengard | just saw it now |
| 15:47 | am catching up after being away for a few days | |
| 15:47 | tcohen | mtompset: we are loosing the coding guidelines for the help pages, because Nicole copy/pastes from the manual, otherwise is too much work |
| 15:48 | mtompset | tcohen: Broader context? I kind of forget everything I have done. :) |
| 15:49 | tcohen | you failed qa a bug in which nicole was adding documentation for the new features in 3.20 |
| 15:49 | mtompset | Oh... the help pages. There was a bug... |
| 15:49 | tcohen | exactly |
| 15:50 | mtompset | Would anyone object if I fix the whitespace issues, and sign off? |
| 15:50 | tcohen | don't waste your time! |
| 15:51 | or teach nicole how to do it almost-automatically | |
| 15:51 | because this will happen again and again | |
| 15:51 | mtompset | Good idea... I'll note the git settings to auto-fix. |
| 15:53 | druthb | It's getting really hot and stuffy in here. Our team's meeting room was really bad, as the sun hits that wall directly at this time of day. |
| 15:56 | mtompset | tcohen: I noted our conversation here, quoted you, and signed off the bug. -- Oops... forgot to attached signed off version. |
| 15:59 | Sounds like time to go home for lunch, and work from home if possible, druthb. :) | |
| 16:00 | tcohen | thanks mtompset |
| 16:00 | and | |
| 16:00 | nengard: good job | |
| 16:00 | nengard | what for ... what'd i miss |
| 16:00 | druthb | very tempting, mtompset |
| 16:00 | tcohen | 3.20 docs |
| 16:00 | mtompset | updated help files. :) |
| 16:01 | nengard | oh! thanks tcohen - i did try to run a plugin on the manual to clean up all the spacing and capitalization ... it crashed |
| 16:01 | hehe | |
| 16:01 | tcohen | we are good |
| 16:01 | mtompset | nengard: I mentioned some git settings which should help in the future on the bug. |
| 16:01 | nengard | oh cool |
| 16:01 | okay | |
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| 16:32 | CanuckPaul | Absolute newbie -- am I connected? |
| 16:32 | pianohacker | CanuckPaul: yup, we hear you loud and clear |
| 16:33 | CanuckPaul | Thanks - clear blue skies on the shores of Lake Ontario. On Koha lists I sign as Paul.A |
| 16:34 | AmitG | @bug 14472 |
| 16:34 | huginn` | AmitG: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14472 major, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Wrong ISSN search index in record matching rules |
| 16:37 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha pianohacker CanuckPaul nengard tcohen. |
| 16:40 | AmitG | Good night all!!! |
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| 17:37 | tcohen | matts_away: around? |
| 17:48 | cait1 | too late here i think |
| 17:48 | it's almost 8pm | |
| 17:48 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14453: (followup) Fix shipped XSLT files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9bd9fc1a05f4861cf> / Bug 14453: kohaidx is missing for id in authority-koha-indexdefs.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1cd0c2152a6def06c> / Bug 14326: XSLT Syntax error in MARC21slimOPACResults.xsl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe |
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| 18:02 | CanuckPaul | Ping? |
| 18:02 | wahanui | Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658 |
| 18:18 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3206: (RM followup) DBIx updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ec3a95fe14635714d> / Bug 3206: DBRev 3.21.00.014 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1afc1eb8b7b82cf17> / Bug 3206: (QA followup) OAI repository deleted records support. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…];h=6d91e791cdf852 |
| 18:22 | tcohen | ok, leaving home right now, have a nice (rest of the) day #koha |
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| 19:10 | cait1 | davidnind++ |
| 19:11 | #adding agenda for next meeting | |
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| 19:27 | francharb | Hello #koha! |
| 19:27 | drojf | hi francharb |
| 19:27 | francharb | How is everything? |
| 19:27 | I was wondering | |
| 19:27 | Has anyone experienced xslt translation issues with koha 3.20? | |
| 19:29 | I try to update to po files (translate update fr-CA) and I just find a couple of strings from compact.xsl and plainmarc.xsl | |
| 19:29 | Is there a new way to translate the xslts? | |
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| 19:39 | cait1 | francharb: they are probably in separate po files now |
| 19:40 | francharb: we now have marc specific po files | |
| 19:40 | francharb | Hi cait! |
| 19:40 | cait1 | so you no longer need to translate normarc:) |
| 19:40 | francharb | I checked that |
| 19:41 | cait1 | http://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/3.20/ |
| 19:41 | francharb | but those are for the marc frameworks |
| 19:41 | cait1 | hm, not sure |
| 19:42 | actually the marc frameworks are also separate | |
| 19:42 | a level above the version po files | |
| 19:42 | http://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/ | |
| 19:42 | marc21 SQL Files | |
| 19:44 | i don't think bernardo has some ready for the unimarc/normarc files yet | |
| 19:44 | francharb | Thanks! I should have paid more attention on this one. When I checked, i understood it was cataloguing specific |
| 19:44 | but obviously, I was wrong | |
| 19:44 | I just checked and I can find the xslt strings | |
| 19:44 | wouhou! | |
| 19:44 | Thanks cait1 ! | |
| 19:45 | You're right, it's all in the database | |
| 19:45 | why did I think it could be in a po file?? | |
| 19:47 | cait1 | maybe we cause we started to do that - just didn't get to make it for all frameworks i guess |
| 19:47 | francharb: are you using marc21 in canada? | |
| 19:48 | francharb | yes cait1, marc21 |
| 19:48 | cait1 | because when you translate the po file for the marc21 frameworks here http://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/marc21/ you can then download translated framework files |
| 19:48 | from here http://translate.koha-community.org/files/fr_CA/ | |
| 19:48 | and use that to make a patch | |
| 19:48 | francharb | thanks for the tip |
| 19:49 | cait1 | they update automatically, but i am not sure how often |
| 19:49 | bgkriegel++ | |
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| 20:02 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 20:02 | How do I trigger opac grouped search results? | |
| 20:05 | cait1 | i am not sure it's currently possible |
| 20:05 | it was related to pazpar2 | |
| 20:05 | which to my knowledge is not fully functional currently | |
| 20:05 | you can try switch the syspref | |
| 20:05 | but it migt break search | |
| 20:07 | mtompset | which sys pref? |
| 20:08 | Found it. | |
| 20:08 | Does anyone actually use parpaz? | |
| 20:08 | pianohacker | mtompset: you'll also have to set up pazpar2 |
| 20:08 | mtompset | I'll leave the bug then. :P |
| 20:08 | pianohacker | mtompset: I used it for rancor's original metasearch, and my first try at bug 10486 |
| 20:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 20:09 | mtompset | I was looking at bug 14259. |
| 20:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14259 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , OPAC system preference BiblioDefaultView is ignored |
| 20:09 | mtompset | Realized I fixed the wrong file. :) |
| 20:09 | So got the fix working. | |
| 20:09 | pianohacker | it did what it said on the tin but was difficult to understand, hard to set up, broke occasionally in hard-to-diagnose ways, and introduced breaking config changes in bugfix releases |
| 20:09 | mtompset | Then realized it is broken in opac-results-grouped.tt as well. |
| 20:10 | pianohacker | so I'd recommend not touching the grouped results stuff :) |
| 20:10 | mtompset | like I said... I'll leave the bug. :) |
| 20:10 | Now to write up a decent test plan, and I should have something to post for the non-XSLT stuff. :) | |
| 20:20 | cait1 | if you are looking for another - 14508 looks interesting :) |
| 20:21 | rangi | morning |
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| 20:58 | * magnuse | shouts "kia ora rangi", then falls asleep |
| 20:58 | cait1 | morning rangi |
| 20:59 | * cait1 | wanders if this magnuse is a bot |
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| 21:01 | pianohacker | cait1: really dang slow one if so :) |
| 21:02 | cait1 | oh i missed andreashm |
| 21:02 | mtompset | He was running on a 300baud modem connection with a 8Mhz cpu? ;) |
| 21:02 | * mtompset | goes to check out his vehicle. |
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| 21:09 | tcohen | hi |
| 21:09 | wahanui | hola, tcohen |
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| 21:15 | cait1 | hola |
| 21:15 | wahanui | privet, cait1 |
| 21:20 | tcohen | hola Katrina, ¿como estas? |
| 21:23 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3206: (QA followup) missing comma on sysprefs.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a85ad4a5f3c0b9f42> |
| 21:26 | cait1 | bien |
| 21:26 | eythian | hi |
| 21:26 | cait1 | y tú? |
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| 21:30 | * andreashm | waves |
| 21:31 | liz | hi |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea_ | hi again |
| 21:32 | cait1 | hi andreashm :) |
| 21:32 | andreashm | hi cait, double-hi wizzyrea_ |
| 21:33 | cait1 | just read your email |
| 21:33 | i will check the etherpad tomorrow if that is ok? | |
| 21:34 | i am travelling from friday to sunday so probably can't do much until next week - but will try to send some comments before :) | |
| 21:34 | andreashm | cait: no problem whatsoever. |
| 21:35 | cait1 | :) |
| 21:35 | andreashm | I've been terribly slow with this, you are the fast one. =) |
| 21:36 | cait1 | not really |
| 21:36 | but i think as long as we figure it out before august it's ok :) | |
| 21:37 | andreashm | yeah, I'm not to worried. |
| 21:40 | tcohen | cait1: muy bien, encontrando bichos no deseados |
| 21:40 | cait1 | bichos no deseados? |
| 21:43 | tcohen | unwanted bugs |
| 21:43 | cait1 | oh |
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| 21:56 | wizzyrea_ | invoices in Koha are basically arbitrary, right? |
| 21:58 | tcohen | lots of things are arbitrary in KOha… |
| 21:58 | :-P | |
| 21:58 | rangi | yep, they kinda have to be |
| 21:58 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 21:58 | rangi | cos no 2 places ever does them the same |
| 21:58 | tcohen | taxes, discounts, etc |
| 21:58 | rangi | yep |
| 21:59 | if you can get the world governments to agree on taxes .. then we can simplify that bit ;-) | |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea_ | yeah, that's on my to-do list |
| 21:59 | ^.^ | |
| 21:59 | eythian | I bet it's way down |
| 21:59 | tcohen | eythian: :-P |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea_ | just pondering the question of "I have to receive shipments without having a physical copy of the invoice" |
| 22:03 | physical/digital | |
| 22:03 | I think the answer is "give the invoice a meaningful name that you can match up later." | |
| 22:04 | because you can't decouple receiving from Koha generating an internal invoice. | |
| 22:05 | rangi | yeah just call it donation - blah blah |
| 22:05 | or whatever it is | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea_ | yep sweet, my thinking is not daft. |
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