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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:03 | wizzyrea | pst, it's not a secret WHEN YOU TELL ME. |
| 00:03 | <3 | |
| 00:05 | eythian | it was a stage whisper, you're not supposed to listen. geez! |
| 00:05 | wizzyrea | < too crafty for you |
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| 01:55 | dcook | Oh wow... what are the changes |
| 01:55 | wahanui | the changes are written to the database, but Koha doesn't seem to pick it up... |
| 01:55 | dcook | changes* |
| 01:55 | Chances* | |
| 01:55 | Couldn't find the bug I wanted to find so I opened up the data file for the #koha scrollback and it happened to be written in the first line of the file! | |
| 01:56 | * dcook | thinks perhaps the universe pities him today |
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| 03:00 | eythian | > .USER_LOCATION. |aON-LOAN |
| 03:00 | ^-- good work sirsi | |
| 03:18 | dcook | Huh... I didn't recall there being a "datelastborrowered" column |
| 03:18 | Shows me | |
| 03:19 | eythian | borrowered? |
| 03:19 | dcook | It's Monday? |
| 03:19 | eythian | ah |
| 03:19 | dcook | datelastborrowed* |
| 03:19 | * dcook | is pretty sure there isn't a "datelastborrowered" column |
| 03:20 | eyes his second monitor with suspicion | |
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| 03:20 | AmitG | hi all |
| 03:20 | Good morning | |
| 03:20 | wahanui | the only good morning is a dead one |
| 03:24 | wizzyrea | *snerk* |
| 03:25 | dcook | Oh man... I wrote "datelastborrowered" again in the code... |
| 03:25 | * dcook | shakes his head a bit |
| 03:30 | dcook | Would folk find it useful to know "Date last borrowered"* during the inventory? |
| 03:30 | *I did that one on purpose | |
| 03:30 | That could make for faster weeding... | |
| 03:30 | Download the list, filter based on that field.. | |
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| 03:52 | wizzyrea | dcook: have you looked at the "super weeder" report from the wiki? |
| 03:52 | dcook | Nopes |
| 03:52 | I had thought about writing a report, but I do like the idea of using the inventory directly | |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | well I was just using that as an example of things people might care about on an inventory |
| 03:53 | dcook | Ahh, cool :) |
| 03:53 | Hmm, I'm not seeing it on the wiki? | |
| 03:54 | Ahh | |
| 03:54 | SuperWeeder | |
| 03:54 | "Weeding tool, we call this the SuperWeeder because it includes all sorts of data to help in decision making" | |
| 04:21 | eythian | > 'fk' => \$fk_off, |
| 04:21 | ^-- "foreign key", sure... | |
| 04:28 | dcook | :o |
| 04:43 | eythian | _so_many_things_ are using SimpleSearch just to see if something exists, which involves moving all the results from the search engine to Koha, and then dropping them. What a waste of CPU. |
| 04:46 | wizzyrea | also, making ajax anything that shows "processing" makes people think "this is slow" |
| 04:47 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:47 | dcook | yep |
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| 05:01 | indradg | good morning #koha |
| 05:10 | AmitG | hi |
| 05:10 | indradg | |
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| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:42 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
| 06:42 | marcelr | hi #koha reiveune |
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| 07:02 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:08 | AmitG | heya alex_a |
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| 07:15 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:15 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
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| 08:07 | drojf | morning |
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| 08:32 | kivilahtio | morning |
| 09:12 | drojf | a quiet morning |
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| 10:01 | kivilahtio | not for me :) |
| 10:29 | drojf | kivilahtio: i meant in here ;) |
| 10:31 | kivilahtio | drojf: maybe you can sign off a bug then? |
| 10:31 | drojf: not necessarily one of mine, but I am sure you can find one :) | |
| 10:41 | drojf | kivilahtio: nice try :D quiet here on irc, still busy in the home office. probably no koha playtime before friday |
| 10:57 | later #koha | |
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| 12:47 | * cait | waces |
| 12:47 | waves | |
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| 12:47 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 12:47 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 29.5°C (2:47 PM CEST on July 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 12:49 | cait | not too bad |
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| 12:58 | khall | morning! |
| 12:58 | cait can you weight in on bug 9011? | |
| 12:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item |
| 12:58 | cait | khall: sorry i haven't gotten too much recently :( |
| 12:58 | i hope to do some tomorrow or later tonight - but i have to leave in a few minutes | |
| 12:59 | khall | that's ok, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two when you get to it. Thanks! |
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| 12:59 | mario | morning |
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| 13:05 | cait | khall: i have seen it, but not sure what's best - i will try to take a closer look |
| 13:06 | khall | ok. thanks! The issue you had with the first version was basically that we already had the data, so why store it twice? We now have an answer to that question ; ) |
| 13:07 | cait | i am still wondering if we can do a trick to speed it up a bit |
| 13:08 | keeping the item data clean of borrower information | |
| 13:08 | that's also a patron privacy issue for me - spreading that data there | |
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| 13:54 | misilot | is there a command line interface to the inventory tool? :) |
| 14:16 | thanks barton for looking into my overdue notice issue :) | |
| 14:17 | barton | misilot thanks for *solving* your overdue notice issue ;-) ;-) ;-) |
| 14:18 | misilot | barton: it was one of those ah ha moments when I found a date difference calculator and it had the option to not count weekends |
| 14:19 | barton | fwiw, I have a second ticket open for the same issue, so you may have killed more than one bird with that stone. |
| 14:20 | regarding command line interface for the inventory tool: I don't think that there is, but you can import a spreadsheet... | |
| 14:21 | misilot | barton: it times out (i think it might be because I had so many items that I am trying to inventory currently checked out) |
| 14:21 | barton | hmm. |
| 14:22 | misilot | i have a *user* with 963 check outs |
| 14:22 | with a good portion of these probably that have been inventoried | |
| 14:22 | barton | wow. |
| 14:22 | misilot | it's how we used to protect items |
| 14:22 | from being deleted | |
| 14:23 | barton | aha. that makes a certain amount of sense. |
| 14:23 | misilot | and/or use what's checked out to mass delete |
| 14:23 | when doing mass weeding of collections | |
| 14:23 | now it's the fun part, inventory what's left (catalog what's not already catalog but we kept) and delete the rest | |
| 14:28 | woohooo everything checked in :) | |
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| 14:36 | barton | misilot: in an ideal world all of Koha's functionality would be encapsulated in APIs, so that the controller layer was a very think wrapper, and the same API calls could be used to drive command line utilities. ashimema pointed me toward some of the mojolicious command line utlities, which IIRC leverage mojo's routing into command line options, but I haven't played with it yet. |
| 14:37 | misilot | :) |
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| 14:38 | barton | ... it's definitely a direction that I think that a lot of the koha developers are interested in going (not necessarily the command line utilities per se, but definitely moving as much functionality into libraries as possible)... but it's going to take time. |
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| 15:26 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:44 | kivilahtio | ashimema: akafred: Made a page object pattern specification |
| 16:44 | https://docs.google.com/drawin[…]/edit?usp=sharing | |
| 16:53 | related to Bug 14495 | |
| 16:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14495 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , WebDriver/WebTester Factory for easy generation of Web testing UserAgents. |
| 17:06 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 20:13 | rangi | morning |
| 20:15 | Dyrcona | afternoon |
| 20:15 | wahanui | afternoon is good |
| 20:18 | cait | morning |
| 20:23 | nengard | hola #koha |
| 20:23 | cait | hola nengard |
| 20:28 | rangi | oh a couple of new devs |
| 20:29 | Eivin Giske Skaaren and Samanta Tello | |
| 20:29 | cait | swedish and argentinian |
| 20:41 | rangi | nice |
| 20:42 | i think there may have been stefan weil too | |
| 20:42 | probably need to update the history | |
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| 21:24 | wizzyrea | yay new developers, a chance to check (again) that the auto-updater for the website works! |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | cait: just responded to bug 11559, not sure if I explained myself well :) |
| 21:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 21:30 | cait | hm i get the idea i think |
| 21:31 | which fields show up in the editor by default - only mandatory? | |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | cait: on a new record, yes |
| 21:31 | since you can type in whatever tags wherever you want :) | |
| 21:31 | cait | hmm then it makes sense |
| 21:32 | i know in horizon you coudl kinda build a framework | |
| 21:32 | pianohacker | yeah, record templates are something that have been requested |
| 21:32 | on the, well, horizon :) | |
| 21:32 | cait | so then there i'd expect the default values |
| 21:32 | hm | |
| 21:32 | i think you make sense :) | |
| 21:33 | although it would be cool to build templates | |
| 21:33 | i mean... that's what we currently have, but they work differently | |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | yeah, that's the issue. The frameworks are necessary, but rancor uses them very very differently |
| 21:34 | cait | and using the current configuration for the new editor i can't imagine would work well |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | yeah |
| 21:34 | cait | you'd just wnat a few defaults, but not necessarily all visible in the framework |
| 21:35 | because visible currently means something different... that it's available at all | |
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| 21:35 | cait | yeah i think it makes sense to me how you do it now - i have no better idea :) |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | Exactly, yeah. And rancor ignores that completely at present (including the 999, which can't actually be corrupted but which I'd like to hide) |
| 21:36 | There's very tricky programming issues behind synchronizing information between hidden and non-hidden subfields on the same field, so at present Rancor shows everything | |
| 21:37 | which matches its general motto of offering the cataloger control, but... | |
| 21:37 | glad to hear you agree, though. Thanks for the feedback, cait :) | |
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| 23:32 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 23:32 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 23.1°C (1:31 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:35 | eythian | hi cait |
| 23:35 | snow is forecast for here today, which is a very different thing from 23.1° | |
| 23:36 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 23:36 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:36 | cait | it feels warmer than that. can't sleep |
| 23:38 | eythian | it sounds enterprisey |
| 23:38 | http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/sites[…]arron/figure2.png <-- especially with that picture | |
| 23:39 | > After Chicago went live, they were restarting the application regularly during the working day because it kept crashing. | |
| 23:39 | that sure does sound enterprise alright | |
| 23:39 | rangi | i think there conclusions are wrong |
| 23:40 | eythian | > By go-live, we had an optimum server specification that didn’t crash with concurrent users: 8-cores, 64GB RAM, and two hard-drive partitions of 32GB for boot and 128GB for the application. Crucially we also increased the RAM allocated to Java for running Tomcat: from 3GB to 16GB. |
| 23:40 | bloody ell | |
| 23:40 | rangi | i dont think you can say this Large-scale open-source implementation is challenging. FOSS requires a trade-off of convenience for control. |
| 23:40 | when all you have down is implement one FOSS system | |
| 23:40 | done even | |
| 23:41 | eythian | also, if they're the third library in the world to implement it, I don't see how they could possibly expect it to not be buggy. |
| 23:41 | rangi | *nod* |
| 23:41 | wizzyrea | these are excellent points. |
| 23:42 | rangi | you're a uni, you should understand sample size ... a sample size of 1 .. ... not the best |
| 23:43 | * wizzyrea | wonders how many devs they've got going on that at one time. |
| 23:43 | wizzyrea | I suspect not many. |
| 23:44 | rangi | i feel like it's massively overengineered |
| 23:44 | "The real problem is that programmers have spent far too much time worrying about efficiency in the wrong places and at the wrong times; premature optimization is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming. " :) | |
| 23:46 | cait | where is that quote from? |
| 23:46 | rangi | donald knuth |
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| 23:46 | rangi | in his i think 2nd book |
| 23:46 | eythian | hello papa |
| 23:46 | rangi: it's in the shelf beside you | |
| 23:47 | rangi | Computer Programming as an Art |
| 23:49 | cdickinson | @wunder nzwn |
| 23:49 | huginn` | cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). |
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